Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 I thought for years that our filtered water was okay, but...not. I've done a lot of research on drinking water the last few months and we now only drink distilled water. We have a home distiller and I feel so much better about the water we drink! Especially my little ones who drank who knows how much fluoride in our filtered water! I don't even drink bottled water if I can help it. Evie _____ From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On Behalf Of Elaine Gallant Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 7:30 PM candidiasis Subject: BAD Water The other important thing to think about in addition to food is WATER! Everyone GETS that much city water is squeezings from the sewage treament plant? It's not a joke. Our drinking water keeps company with doo doo. We drink those doo doo squeezin's. They don't make us violently ill 'cause it's all pre-treated at the plant with deadly chlorine. Just THINK for a minute how strong the poison is in city water to make monkey feces palatable. The poisons in city water are more than strong enuf to kill every living thing in your intestines. It's more or less pointless to attempt to eat probiotics, clean up your food intake if one continues to drink poisonous city water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > : > I thought for years that our filtered water was okay, but...not. I've > done a > lot of research on drinking water the last few months and we now only > drink > distilled water. We have a home distiller and I feel so much better about > the water we drink! Especially my little ones who drank who knows how much > fluoride in our filtered water! I don't even drink bottled water if I can > help it. it depends on what you mean by filtered. if it has been run through reverse osmosis then it is fine if it was run through a Britta filter then it is not. distilled water is not what bodies want it has nothing at all in it no minerals or salts or anything. I see so much paranoia here. people get pretty carried away with things. most of the water if the fluoride and clourine was left out is fine. all water has had poop in it you just need to face that fact. -- Steve knight Knight-Toolworks http://www.knight-toolworks.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > : > > The other important thing to think about in addition to food is WATER! > Everyone GETS that much city water is squeezings from the sewage > treament plant? It's not a joke. Our drinking water keeps company with > doo doo. > all water has poo in it. thats the nature of water. it's easy to get rid of the chlorine out of the water by letting it sit for a few days. or faster use a fish pump to run air through it. most city water is not that bad at all. we don't see people dropping like flies. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 If you depend on your water for any adequate amounts of minerals or salts, your body is in trouble! First, the minerals in water are inorganic and cannot be used by the body. They collect over time in the body and cause problems. And the fact that you think that some poop in the water is okay is really scary. As I've already said, I've done my research. I've read the books. And I've figured out what makes sense and what doesn't. It's not about paranoia at all. It's about science and brain matter. There are people that have changed nothing about their diet except for drinking distilled water and their health was turned around. Here is a short summary of water purification. Filtration Filtered water has passed through a fine strainer and/or activated carbon. While they reduce disagreeable tastes and odors, filters are not effective in removing many common contaminants such as arsenic, bacteria, copper, lead, nitrates, parasites, sodium and viruses. A filter can become a breeding ground for bacteria as the organic material which remains in the filter begins to decay. Another drawback is not knowing when to replace the filter. Some manufacturers suggest replacing filters when bad taste or odor returns. In reality, a filter may be able to control taste and odor long after it has lost its ability to reduce tasteless, odorless organics such as THMs (trihalomethanes) which are byproducts of chlorination. Reverse Osmosis RO systems force water under high pressure through a synthetic semipermeable membrane to reduce inorganic minerals. These systems vary widely in their ability to reject nitrates, chlorides and some other contaminants. RO performance is affected by water pressure, water temperature, pH, bacteria, dissolved solids and the chemical contaminant level of raw tap water. Like other filtration systems, gradual clogging of the system by collected contaminants will result in declining effectiveness and can also lead to contamination from bacterial growth. Steam Distilled Based on Mother Nature's primary purification method, distillation uses evaporation and condensation to separate pure, fresh water from its contaminants. In nature the process is called the hydrologic cycle. It occurs when water evaporates, condenses, then falls to the earth as precipitation. Distillation, combined with carbon filtration, is the one water treatment technology that most completely reduces the widest range of contaminants, including biological, organic and inorganic elements. In fact, a quality distillation system provides water that is up to 99% free of impurities, including heavy metals and most chemicals. It is the treatment of choice for removing biological contaminants including cysts like Giardia and Cryptosporidium. The prolonged boiling process of distillation kills virtually all types of microorganisms, including bacteria, viruses and parasites. Microorganisms are not evaporated into the product water but remain in the boiling chamber as part of the residue. Additionally, a distillation system with activated carbon post filtration and venting is effective in removing pesticides and VOCs (volatile organic compounds). Distillation provides consistent purity, gallon after gallon, year in, year out. No other technology can guarantee consistent quality over time. Evie _____ From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On Behalf Of Steve Knight Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 2:40 PM candidiasis Subject: Re: BAD Water distilled water is not what bodies want it has nothing at all in it no minerals or salts or anything. I see so much paranoia here. people get pretty carried away with things. most of the water if the fluoride and clourine was left out is fine. all water has had poop in it you just need to face that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Yet some research has suggested that extensive use of distilled water can be dangerous because of the loss of electrolytes (sodium, potassium, chloride) and trace minerals like magnesium and calcium (Rona, 1995). These deficiencies can cause irregular heart rates and elevated blood pressure. One of many examples, studies in Great Britain demonstrated a correlation between the consumption of distilled water and the incidence of cardiovascular disease (, 1992). Towns with soft water had a 10% higher rate of death from cardiovascular disease than towns with hard water. Research has also suggested that the higher the mineral loss, the greater the risk for degenerative diseases like osteoporosis, osteoarthritis and hypothyroidism (Rona, 1995). Cells, tissues and organs, when exposed to acidic conditions, will leach minerals from the skeleton and manufacture bicarbonate in the blood to provide a more neutral environment. It has also been suggested that disease thrives in an acidic environment. In addition, cooking foods in distilled water pulls the minerals out of them and lowers their nutritional value (Rona, 1995). Bottom line: Tests and opinions by credible sources regarding the benefits of distillation and other water purification methods vary greatly, leaving us with no hard conclusions. This issue clearly warrants further investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > : > If you depend on your water for any adequate amounts of minerals or salts, > your body is in trouble! First, the minerals in water are inorganic and > cannot be used by the body. They collect over time in the body and cause > problems. And the fact that you think that some poop in the water is > okay is > really scary. As I've already said, I've done my research. I've read the > books. And I've figured out what makes sense and what doesn't. It's not > about paranoia at all. It's about science and brain matter. There are > people > that have changed nothing about their diet except for drinking distilled > water and their health was turned around. Here is a short summary of water > purification. > humans have been consuming water with poop and minerals in it since there were humans on this earth. running away from contamination can cause more problems then it solves. we are seeing asthma problems in the japanese people because they get paranoid about the air they breathe. so far there are no hard facts on distilled water one way or the other. there have been studies showing distilled water does cause problems too. mother nature does distill the water. but then it is put on the ground and run through rocks and minerals are added. there is nothing pure in nature and our bodies have adapted to that state. having constant influxes of natural contaminants keeps our immune systems strong. the problem is studies tend to prove that they were set out to prove. they are paid for by the people who will benefit from the results that they wanted the study to show. this is a big problem with studies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > all water has had poop in it you just need to face that fact. Not the point! the important question is not IF it was recently rubbing elbows with human feces... city water frequently is that way. The problem with city water is it takes a LOT of poison to get overcome the smell of crap. Run it thru a reverse osmosis filter and it is fine. Isn't that what they do in space for water? " reclaim " it from uhm...u-kno-what? Chlorine will evaporate off water if it's set out in containers. SOME cities use chloramines, a combination of chlorine and amonia. Chloramines require a catalyst to break the bonds and release the chlorine. Try the fish test. Put a small fish in a container of your drinking water. Does the fish live, or die? Your intestinal flora are a LOT more delicate than a fish. If your water won't support a fish, it's also killing off the GOOD flora in your digestive tract. Leaving you wide open for yeast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 The only minerals distilled water is able to leach from your body are the inorganic ones that aren't supposed to be there. Distilled water is stabilized the minute you add food to it and the minute it touches your stomach. Some people concerned with this add their own minerals to their water. Not for nutritional content, but to allay the fears that it will magically pull minerals out if not stabilized. Minerals are pulled out from foods that are much more aggressive than distilled water- vinegar, vitamin C, acid fruits, herbs, and diuretics like coffee and soft drinks. Only when you drink distilled water repeatedly on a fast can it have the potential to leach minerals from the body, and then only when the process of genuine starvation has commenced. Evie _____ From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On Behalf Of Steve Knight Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 3:00 PM candidiasis Subject: Re: BAD Water Yet some research has suggested that extensive use of distilled water can be dangerous because of the loss of electrolytes (sodium, potassium, chloride) and trace minerals like magnesium and calcium (Rona, 1995). These deficiencies can cause irregular heart rates and elevated blood pressure. One of many examples, studies in Great Britain demonstrated a correlation between the consumption of distilled water and the incidence of cardiovascular disease (, 1992). Towns with soft water had a 10% higher rate of death from cardiovascular disease than towns with hard water. Research has also suggested that the higher the mineral loss, the greater the risk for degenerative diseases like osteoporosis, osteoarthritis and hypothyroidism (Rona, 1995). Cells, tissues and organs, when exposed to acidic conditions, will leach minerals from the skeleton and manufacture bicarbonate in the blood to provide a more neutral environment. It has also been suggested that disease thrives in an acidic environment. In addition, cooking foods in distilled water pulls the minerals out of them and lowers their nutritional value (Rona, 1995). Bottom line: Tests and opinions by credible sources regarding the benefits of distillation and other water purification methods vary greatly, leaving us with no hard conclusions. This issue clearly warrants further investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > : > The only minerals distilled water is able to leach from your body are the > inorganic ones that aren't supposed to be there. Distilled water is > stabilized the minute you add food to it and the minute it touches your > stomach. Some people concerned with this add their own minerals to their > water. Not for nutritional content, but to allay the fears that it will > magically pull minerals out if not stabilized. this is your opinion I can pull up studies that say differently. who is to say you or they are right? no one has proven one way or the other. but I do know getting away from nature is not good. the only real way to do it is have a very large double blind study to test it. but I doubt it will be done. who would pay for it? Demineralised water is water completely free (or almost) of dissolved minerals as a result of one of the following processes: * distillation * deionization * membrane filtration (reverse osmosis or nanofiltration) * electrodyalisis * or other technologies. The amount of dissolved solids in water that has followed one of these processes could be as low as 1 mg/l and is in any case always less than 10 mg/l. The electrical conductivity is generally less than 2 mS/m and may be even lower (< 0,1 mS/cm). Can water be enriched with minerals? Due to the water shortages in some regions of the world (Middle East, for example), seawater is used to produce drinking water by a desalination process in more than 7.500 desalination plants worldwide. This desalinated or demineralised water is in most of the cases enriched with some minerals before it is packaged in bottles, tetra bricks or even plastic bags to be consumed by people. The aim of this mineral enrichment is to make the water fully appropriate for consumption. * Why is demineralised water not suitable for consumption?* There are three evident reasons: 1. Demineralised water is highly aggressive. Its distribution through pipes and storage tanks is not possible because the aggressive water would leach metals and other materials from the pipes and other plumbing materials. 2. Demineralised water has poor taste and thirst-quenching characteristics. This is again due to its lack of minerals. 3. Demineralised water has been proven to have adverse health effects for humans, due to the deficency of certain constituents. This is further documented in the following paragraph. What supports this theory? There are a number of studies, conducted by health professionals in different parts of the world, which support the three statements above. Here is an example of some of these studies and the resulting conclusions: * /Rahmmanin et al, 1989. Study conducted on rats/. Conclusions: distilled water caused decreased secretion of tri-iodothyronine and aldosterone, increased secretion of cortisol, morphological changes in the kidneys (including a more pronounced atrophy of glomeruli), swollen vascular endothelium limiting the blood flow and reduced skeletal ossification in fetuses. * /Studies conducted on human volunteers by the WHO, 1980/. Conclusions: low mineral water consumption increased diuresis (almost by 20%, on average), body water volume and serum sodium concentrations, decreased serum potassium concentration, increased sodium elimination. * /Robbins and Sly, 1981/. Study conducted in patients who received balanced intravenous nutrition diluted with distilled water. Conclusion: The intake of low mineral water is presumed to be responsible for an increased elimination of minerals from the body. * /Study conducted by Basnyat et al, 2000/. Conclusion: Ingestion of several liters of low-mineral water following intense physical efforts may cause severe acute damage, such as hyponatremic shock or delirium. * /Epidemiological studies by Sauvant and Pepin 2002; Donato et al. 2003; Monarca et al. 2003; Nardi et al. 2003/. Conclusion: Soft water and water low in magnesium is associated with increased morbidity and mortality from cardiovascular disease. * /Study conducted by Verd Vallespir et al.1992/. Conclusion: Intake of water low in calcium is associated with higher risk of fracture in children. * /Jacqmin et al.1994/. Conclusion: Intake of water low in calcium is associated with certain neurodegenerative diseases. * /Yang et al. 1997, 1998, 2002/. Conclusion: Intake of water low in calcium is associated with pre-term birth, low weight at birth and some types of cancer. …and a very long etcetera of properly conducted experiments, which demonstrate what the World Health Organization is also claiming: The WHO published in its latest report available (2004), that it has been adequately demonstrated that consuming water of low mineral content has a negative effect on homeostasis mechanisms, compromising the mineral and water metabolism in the body. /* Is distilled water suitable for cooking?*/ As we explained before in this page, distilled water is very low in mineral content. When cooking any vegetable rich in minerals in demineralised water, a negative osmotic pressure appears on the vegetable which makes it loose all its minerals in behalf of the water. That is, the vegetable would loose all its minerals, which would pass on to the water, which is then thrown away into the sink. As a result, we would be eating vegetables laking on essential minerals. In brief: cooking foods in distilled water lowers their nutrient value. /* Which are the health risks from consumption of demineralised or low-mineral water?*/ Here are some of the proven risks of demineralized water or water low in minerals: * decreased secretion of tri-iodothyronine and aldosterone * increased secretion of cortisol * morphological changes in the kidneys (including a more pronounced atrophy of glomeruli) * swollen vascular endothelium limiting the blood flow * reduced skeletal ossification in fetuses * increased diuresis (around 20%) * increased body water volume * increased elimination of minerals from the body * hyponatremic shock or delirium * increased morbidity and mortality from cardiovascular disease * higher risk of fracture in children * neurodegenerative diseases * pre-term birth * low weight at birth * some types of cancer /* Is there any theory which supports distilled water consumption?*/ In spite of all this clear evidence set out above, there is still a controversy going on about the so-called benefits of distilled water, some people defending surprising “theories” like the following: * Distilled water will not leach minerals from your body. It is perfectly safe to drink. Distilled water does not taste bland or flat. /Joe Letorney Jr./, B.S. degree in marketing * 'You're safer with distilled bottled water, " / R. Rose/, a treatment and research representative at the AIDS Action Council * " One of the fundamental differences between distillation and all other types of water purification is that distillation is very reliable. If the distiller is operating, the quality of the water it produces will be consistent. There is no decrease in performance over time. " /Colin Ingram, The Drinking Water Book/. However, as far as Lenntech could know, none of these statements have been supported by any actual experiment, reason why they lack credibility. Why do these previous affirmations lack credibility? There is no doubt that personal and cultural beliefs influence both our perceptions and our interpretations of reality. It is because of this that scientifics developed some standard criteria and procedures, which aim to minimize those influences when developing a theory. It's the " scientific method " , which follows 4 steps: 1. Observation and description of a happening. 2. Formulation of an hypothesis (tentative description) to explain the happening and which is consistent with the observation. 3. Use of the hypothesis to predict other happenings of the same kind. 4. Proper performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters. 5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 until there are no discordances between theory, experiment and observation. The statements of Joe Letorney Jr., R. Rose and Colin Ingram are missing the last two steps of the scientific method. Any assumption which hasn't followed these steps, cannot be considered as a valid theory. 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Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 According to the US Environmental Protection Agency, " Distilled water, being essentially mineral-free, is very aggressive, in that it tends to dissolve substances with which it is in contact. Notably, carbon dioxide from the air is rapidly absorbed, making the water acidic and even more aggressive. Many metals are dissolved by distilled water. " The most toxic commercial beverages that people consume (i.e. cola beverages and other soft drinks) are made from distilled water. Studies have consistently shown that heavy consumers of soft drinks (with or without sugar) spill huge amounts of calcium, magnesium and other trace minerals into the urine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 What?! So now I'm wondering where all the asthma cases are coming from here...hmmm. I always thought it was oxidative stress, since just about everyone I know that has had it has cured it with the right vitamins. And I can promise you that MOST people in the US are not concerned about the air that they breathe. They have BECOME concerned because of asthma and allergies. My bet is that the Japanese taking on our western diets has more to do with their asthma problems than their paranoia. Evie _____ From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On Behalf Of Steve Knight Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 3:13 PM candidiasis Subject: Re: BAD Water we are seeing asthma problems in the japanese people because they get paranoid about the air they breathe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Aren't all minerals " inorganic? " I know of no " living " minerals. Why couldn't your body use minerals found in water? The body pulls and uses anything it needs from everything we consume, and that includes water. Now about this " poop water " thing. We are drinking the same water that has been here for billions of years. It's been here since the beginning of time and the earth reuses it every day. This may seem elementary to some, but to many this fact has never occurred to them. Mother Nature does a good job filtering it via evaporation and then gives it back to us through rain. This is the same water Adam & Eve drank, the same water that the dinosaurs drank, and the same water that Washington drank and it all had excrement in it at some point!!! Only recently have we humans began filtering our water. Besides what is the difference between our sewage being cleaned or nasty lake water which has, you guessed it, fish, turtle, snake, plankton, beaver, and even fisherman poop, not to mention pee. We've evolved for eons and eons and we've drank the same old toilet water the whole time. Just something to think about. Ken -- Re: BAD Water distilled water is not what bodies want it has nothing at all in it no minerals or salts or anything. I see so much paranoia here. people get pretty carried away with things. most of the water if the fluoride and clourine was left out is fine. all water has had poop in it you just need to face that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 That is not my opinion, that is information collected from research. There are studies to prove two sides of everything. If I read nothing at all, the information I would trust 100% over anything is from Dr. Myron Wentz, founder of Gull Laboratories, Usana Health Sciences, and Sanoviv Medical Institute. http://www.sanoviv.com/ He has extensive knowledge and experience with the human body and he says that distilled water is what people should consume. He has done too much that others have not been able to do to brush him off flippantly. He is a genius. And he has no other motive but to help people be healthy. Evie Re: BAD Water this is your opinion I can pull up studies that say differently. who is to say you or they are right? no one has proven one way or the other. but I do know getting away from nature is not good. the only real way to do it is have a very large double blind study to test it. but I doubt it will be done. who would pay for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Water flowing through or on the ground collects inorganic (non-living) minerals from the soil and rock through which it passes. These are not minerals that humans or other animals can utilize. Only plants have the capability of transforming inorganic minerals from the ground into living, vital, organic minerals we can use for nourishment. For this reason, we cannot absorb any minerals from eating finely-ground rocks or soil from our garden. We must allow the plants in the garden to take in these inorganic minerals through their roots from the soil and transform them, by the process of photosynthesis, into organic minerals that we can utilize. Inorganic minerals from the earth are absorbed into ground water, so we cannot benefit from minerals in water any more than could benefit by eating rocks or dirt. Because inorganic minerals cannot be absorbed into the cell wall as nutrition, they become distributed elsewhere in the body, causing arthritis in the joints, kidney stones, gallstones, hardening and blocking arteries, etc. I just copied that from a quick search on " organic and inorganic minerals " since I don't have my personal sources at hand. There is lots of other information available. Regarding what we've done over time, don't forget that we have also gotten less healthy over time. Just because people aren't dropping like flies when water hits their tongue doesn't mean that it is good for them. More toxins have invaded our water supply and more diseases and even drugs are now running through our systems. Mother Nature does do a great job, doesn't she? Until it hits our contaminated ground! Distillation is the same process as evaporation, btw. Evie _____ From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On Behalf Of ken Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:17 PM candidiasis Subject: RE: BAD Water Aren't all minerals " inorganic? " I know of no " living " minerals. Why couldn't your body use minerals found in water? The body pulls and uses anything it needs from everything we consume, and that includes water. Now about this " poop water " thing. We are drinking the same water that has been here for billions of years. It's been here since the beginning of time and the earth reuses it every day. This may seem elementary to some, but to many this fact has never occurred to them. Mother Nature does a good job filtering it via evaporation and then gives it back to us through rain. This is the same water Adam & Eve drank, the same water that the dinosaurs drank, and the same water that Washington drank and it all had excrement in it at some point!!! Only recently have we humans began filtering our water. Besides what is the difference between our sewage being cleaned or nasty lake water which has, you guessed it, fish, turtle, snake, plankton, beaver, and even fisherman poop, not to mention pee. We've evolved for eons and eons and we've drank the same old toilet water the whole time. Just something to think about. Ken -- Re: BAD Water distilled water is not what bodies want it has nothing at all in it no minerals or salts or anything. I see so much paranoia here. people get pretty carried away with things. most of the water if the fluoride and clourine was left out is fine. all water has had poop in it you just need to face that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > Water flowing through or on the ground collects inorganic (non- living) > minerals from the soil and rock through which it passes. These are not > minerals that humans or other animals can utilize. Says WHO? Only plants have the > capability of transforming inorganic minerals from the ground into living, > vital, organic minerals we can use for nourishment. For this reason, we > cannot absorb any minerals from eating finely-ground rocks or soil from our > garden. We must allow the plants in the garden to take in these inorganic > minerals through their roots from the soil and transform them, by the > process of photosynthesis, into organic minerals that we can utilize. > Inorganic minerals from the earth are absorbed into ground water, so we > cannot benefit from minerals in water any more than could benefit by eating > rocks or dirt. > > Because inorganic minerals cannot be absorbed into the cell wall as > nutrition, they become distributed elsewhere in the body, causing arthritis > in the joints, kidney stones, gallstones, hardening and blocking arteries, > etc. > > I just copied that from a quick search on " organic and inorganic minerals " > since I don't have my personal sources at hand. There is lots of other > information available. > > Regarding what we've done over time, don't forget that we have also gotten > less healthy over time. Just because people aren't dropping like flies when > water hits their tongue doesn't mean that it is good for them. More toxins > have invaded our water supply and more diseases and even drugs are now > running through our systems. Mother Nature does do a great job, doesn't she? > Until it hits our contaminated ground! Distillation is the same process as > evaporation, btw. > > Evie > > _____ > > From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On > Behalf Of ken > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:17 PM > candidiasis > Subject: RE: BAD Water > > > Aren't all minerals " inorganic? " I know of no " living " minerals. Why > couldn't your body use minerals found in water? The body pulls and uses > anything it needs from everything we consume, and that includes water. > Now about this " poop water " thing. We are drinking the same water that > has been here for billions of years. It's been here since the beginning of > time and the earth reuses it every day. This may seem elementary to some, > but to many this fact has never occurred to them. Mother Nature does a good > job filtering it via evaporation and then gives it back to us through rain. > This is the same water Adam & Eve drank, the same water that the dinosaurs > drank, and the same water that Washington drank and it all had > excrement in it at some point!!! Only recently have we humans began > filtering our water. Besides what is the difference between our sewage > being cleaned or nasty lake water which has, you guessed it, fish, turtle, > snake, plankton, beaver, and even fisherman poop, not to mention pee. We've > evolved for eons and eons and we've drank the same old toilet water the > whole time. > Just something to think about. > Ken > > > > -- Re: BAD Water > > > distilled water is not what bodies want it has nothing at all in it no > minerals or salts or anything. > I see so much paranoia here. people get pretty carried away with > things. most of the water if the fluoride and clourine was left out is > fine. > all water has had poop in it you just need to face that fact. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > : > That is not my opinion, that is information collected from research. There > are studies to prove two sides of everything. If I read nothing at > all, the > information I would trust 100% over anything is from Dr. Myron Wentz, > founder of Gull Laboratories, Usana Health Sciences, and Sanoviv Medical > Institute. > http://www.sanoviv.com/ > > He has extensive knowledge and experience with the human body and he says > that distilled water is what people should consume. He has done too much > that others have not been able to do to brush him off flippantly. He is a > genius. And he has no other motive but to help people be healthy. he has nothing to gain???? a luxury medal spa has nothing to gain??? he is not even a MD I would not follow anyone 100% and not some rich doc that does it for only the rich. -- Steve knight Knight-Toolworks http://www.knight-toolworks.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 I suppose you would only approve of a building falling apart in the sticks that offers poopy water to drink? Let's see...probably at least half of the people here are here because a MEDICAL DOCTOR was unable to help them. Told them to their faces that their problem doesn't exist. Put them through all kinds of tests to tell them they are perfectly healthy despite the horrible way that they feel. But we are supposed to forget what someone has to say because they aren't a medical doctor? Does it meet with your approval that he has some of the best doctors in the world working at his facility? Do you realize that the reason he is rich is because he has been able to help a LOT of people conquer MANY illnesses? Where do you think he got his money? You know, it's funny...I'm not rich, but when I contacted his medical facility, they got back to me within a few hours. So I'm thinking that being rich has nothing to do with being treated there. You assume this why...? If we are not to listen to someone like him, what in the world are we supposed to listen to you for? Or each other, for that matter. Who exactly meets with your approval? Evie _____ From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On Behalf Of Steve Knight Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:20 PM candidiasis Subject: Re: BAD Water he has nothing to gain???? a luxury medal spa has nothing to gain??? he is not even a MD I would not follow anyone 100% and not some rich doc that does it for only the rich. -- Steve knight Knight-Toolworks http://www.knight-toolworks.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > : > I suppose you would only approve of a building falling apart in the sticks > that offers poopy water to drink? ? what has this got to do with anything. of course water needs to be clean. we are discussing the method of it. not that we do or don't need clean water. > > Let's see...probably at least half of the people here are here because a > MEDICAL DOCTOR was unable to help them. Told them to their faces that > their > problem doesn't exist. Put them through all kinds of tests to tell > them they > are perfectly healthy despite the horrible way that they feel. But we are > supposed to forget what someone has to say because they aren't a medical > doctor? Does it meet with your approval that he has some of the best > doctors > in the world working at his facility? well since he is not a medical doctor or a natural path or anything else I can see besides a PHD what am I supposed to believe? all I can say about the best doctors is I could not find much on the net about them. > Do you realize that the reason he is > rich is because he has been able to help a LOT of people conquer MANY > illnesses? Where do you think he got his money? You know, it's funny...I'm > not rich, but when I contacted his medical facility, they got back to me > within a few hours. So I'm thinking that being rich has nothing to do with > being treated there. You assume this why...? > I see him in a high end clinic. those seems to attract a lot of people that may nor many not improve but are willing to pay anything for it. Mexico is famous for such places. most docs don't get rich taking care of patients anymore. it is a lot of work and time. did you go to his clinic? can you afford to go there? I sure could not. because after checking the page it cames to be a luxury environment. you don't usually have that kind of setting for the poor. heck the video looks like something most of us can't afford. > If we are not to listen to someone like him, what in the world are we > supposed to listen to you for? Or each other, for that matter. Who exactly > meets with your approval? > the best source of medical info is double blind studies done right. most natural meds have not been tested this way and natural treatments. who would pay for it and who would profit? thats the problem now with health care. it is driven by profit. how can you fully trust something driven by profit? there is always bias towards it's own goals. if this place has done so much for modem medicine why are the treatments not discussed more around the world? checking google -- Steve knight Knight-Toolworks http://www.knight-toolworks.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Steve and Evie, Can't you guys agree to disagree?? It is obvious you are not getting anywhere in this discussion. When ever I can't seem to figure out who might be the closest thing to the truth I just have to ask " what did my ancestors do " you know the ones who lived to be 100 without taking any drugs. As far as I know they never drank distilled water, of course the water was not polluted like it is now. I do know that the people with the greatest longevity live near areas that get flooded alot and they grow there produce on these fertile lands and also drink the water from glaciers and rivers. These would have lots of mineral and things. I have always heard that distilled water is not good, and the doctor that I listen to the most right now does agree with this in fact they have just done a recent study testing the effectiveness on a certain supplement using different types of water. They were testing for Killer cell activity. The base line for the product was 5.7, if taken with tap water it decreased in effectiveness to 5.5, with filtered water like Reverse Osmosis, it increased to 15.8 and with enhanced water it was the highest at 26.8!! Enhanced water is filtered and run over mineral rocks. So even though distilled water was not used, It sure seems enhanced water makes a huge difference. They will be doing more tests with more products soon. So I say drink what you believe is best for you with the research you have done, for me, I will drink enhanced water when I can and R/O water the rest of the time. -- Re: BAD Water > : > I suppose you would only approve of a building falling apart in the sticks > that offers poopy water to drink? ? what has this got to do with anything. of course water needs to be clean. we are discussing the method of it. not that we do or don't need clean water. > > Let's see...probably at least half of the people here are here because a > MEDICAL DOCTOR was unable to help them. Told them to their faces that > their > problem doesn't exist. Put them through all kinds of tests to tell > them they > are perfectly healthy despite the horrible way that they feel. But we are > supposed to forget what someone has to say because they aren't a medical > doctor? Does it meet with your approval that he has some of the best > doctors > in the world working at his facility? well since he is not a medical doctor or a natural path or anything else I can see besides a PHD what am I supposed to believe? all I can say about the best doctors is I could not find much on the net about them. > Do you realize that the reason he is > rich is because he has been able to help a LOT of people conquer MANY > illnesses? Where do you think he got his money? You know, it's funny...I'm > not rich, but when I contacted his medical facility, they got back to me > within a few hours. So I'm thinking that being rich has nothing to do with > being treated there. You assume this why...? > I see him in a high end clinic. those seems to attract a lot of people that may nor many not improve but are willing to pay anything for it. Mexico is famous for such places. most docs don't get rich taking care of patients anymore. it is a lot of work and time. did you go to his clinic? can you afford to go there? I sure could not. because after checking the page it cames to be a luxury environment. you don't usually have that kind of setting for the poor. heck the video looks like something most of us can't afford. > If we are not to listen to someone like him, what in the world are we > supposed to listen to you for? Or each other, for that matter. Who exactly > meets with your approval? > the best source of medical info is double blind studies done right. most natural meds have not been tested this way and natural treatments. who would pay for it and who would profit? thats the problem now with health care. it is driven by profit. how can you fully trust something driven by profit? there is always bias towards it's own goals. if this place has done so much for modem medicine why are the treatments not discussed more around the world? checking google -- Steve knight Knight-Toolworks http://www.knight-toolworks.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Hee, I find this water discussion amusing. But rather than worrying about the poopy exposure, I was thinking it's the chemicals in the water that might be more of a problem. Did you all read the article regarding the city drinking water in England, I think it was (appeared on the reuters news a few months back), that the water actually contained a detectable amount of Prozac. What other chemicals are in there that no one has bothered to check? I mean the assumption is that there are so many people taking Prozac and a certain amount is not fully metabolized in the body, so ends up getting peed out into the sewage water which is filtered, but does not remove everything like Prozac. Ha! So if that can happen with Prozac, think of all the other drugs everyone is on? All the chemos? And all those people taking them are peeing into our sewage water. So my question is, how much of that gets removed and how much, if any, ends up in our tap water? As far as I understand, some of the used city water goes through water treatment plants before going out into the ocean while some does not? Need to check that one out. Hmmm. -- Re: BAD Water distilled water is not what bodies want it has nothing at all in it no minerals or salts or anything. I see so much paranoia here. people get pretty carried away with things. most of the water if the fluoride and clourine was left out is fine. all water has had poop in it you just need to face that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > Aren't all minerals " inorganic? " I know of no " living " minerals. I've heard there is a difference. This is what I've read: http://www.myodynamics.com/articles/distilledwater.html ORGANIC MINERALS VS. INORGANIC MINERALS There are two types of minerals, organic and inorganic. Human physiology has a biological affinity for organic minerals. Most organic minerals for our body functions come from dietary plant foods. A growing plant converts the inorganic minerals from the soils to a useful organic mineral. When an organic mineral (from a plant food) enters the stomach it must attach itself to a specific protein-molecule(chelation) in order to be absorbed, then it gains access to the tissue sites where it is needed. Once a plant mineral is divested within the body, it is utilized as a coenzyme for composing body fluids, forming blood and bone cells, and the maintaining of healthy nerve transmission.(Balch & Balch 1990) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Dr. Steve Nugent who wrote the book " how to survive a toxic planet " says that none of the drugs get filtered out. This is one reason why men are becoming impotent becasue of the massive amounts of birth control being dumped out also. These are serious issues and one good reason to not have everyone in the country taking drugs, especially when alternatives might work. marla wrote: > Hee, I find this water discussion amusing. But rather than worrying about > the poopy exposure, I was thinking it's the chemicals in the water that > might be more of a problem. Did you all read the article regarding the city > drinking water in England, I think it was (appeared on the reuters news a > few months back), that the water actually contained a detectable amount of > Prozac. What other chemicals are in there that no one has bothered to > check? I mean the assumption is that there are so many people taking Prozac > and a certain amount is not fully metabolized in the body, so ends up > getting peed out into the sewage water which is filtered, but does not > remove everything like Prozac. Ha! So if that can happen with Prozac, > think of all the other drugs everyone is on? All the chemos? And all those > people taking them are peeing into our sewage water. So my question is, how > much of that gets removed and how much, if any, ends up in our tap water? > As far as I understand, some of the used city water goes through water > treatment plants before going out into the ocean while some does not? Need > to check that one out. Hmmm. > > -------Original Message------- > > Fr -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/45 - Release Date: 7/9/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > Hee, I find this water discussion amusing. But rather than worrying about > the poopy exposure Hey... I'm on a wonderful, crystaline WELL. It really helped my digestive problem too. As far as " reclaimed " water goes...they just add however much chlorine it takes to overcome the smell and taste of human feces and urine. , I was thinking it's the chemicals in the water that > might be more of a problem. Did you all read the article regarding the city > drinking water in England, I think it was (appeared on the reuters news a > few months back), that the water actually contained a detectable amount of > Prozac. What other chemicals are in there that no one has bothered to > check? I mean the assumption is that there are so many people taking Prozac > and a certain amount is not fully metabolized in the body, so ends up > getting peed out into the sewage water which is filtered, but does not > remove everything like Prozac. Ha! So if that can happen with Prozac, > think of all the other drugs everyone is on? All the chemos? And all those > people taking them are peeing into our sewage water. So my question is, how > much of that gets removed and how much, if any, ends up in our tap water? > As far as I understand, some of the used city water goes through water > treatment plants before going out into the ocean while some does not? Need > to check that one out. Hmmm. > > -- Re: BAD Water > > > distilled water is not what bodies want it has nothing at all in it no > minerals or salts or anything. > I see so much paranoia here. people get pretty carried away with > things. most of the water if the fluoride and clourine was left out is > fine. > all water has had poop in it you just need to face that fact. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 > > Hee, I find this water discussion amusing. But rather than worrying about > > the poopy exposure, I was thinking it's the chemicals in the water that > > might be more of a problem. Did you all read the article regarding the city > > drinking water in England, I think it was (appeared on the reuters news a > > few months back), that the water actually contained a detectable amount of > > Prozac. What other chemicals are in there that no one has bothered to > > check? I mean the assumption is that there are so many people taking Prozac > > and a certain amount is not fully metabolized in the body, so ends up > > getting peed out into the sewage water which is filtered, but does not > > remove everything like Prozac. Ha! So if that can happen with Prozac, > > think of all the other drugs everyone is on? All the chemos? And all those > > people taking them are peeing into our sewage water. So my question is, how > > much of that gets removed and how much, if any, ends up in our tap water? > > As far as I understand, some of the used city water goes through water > > treatment plants before going out into the ocean while some does not? Need > > to check that one out. Hmmm. > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > Fr > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/45 - Release Date: 7/9/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 I will try to answer some of your questions to the best of my knowledge. The comment about the poopy water...you said that we have been drinking poopy water since the beginning of time and it's supposed to be okay for us...didn't you? If you get right down to it, the body is made up of cells. So whether or not you have a medical degree...if someone knows absolutely EVERYTHING there is to know about the human cell and how to keep it nutriented, alive, and healthy, who really knows more? The person with the degree, or the person who has spent most of his life in the lab? The double blind studies you keep mentioning; who does those- doctors or scientists? Scientists. And then the medical establishment (read: big pharma) tries to make them fit their agenda. The difference here, is that Dr. Wentz has no agenda. He does his studies to verify what he thinks is going to work...and if it doesn't, he keeps looking. He is not working for anyone. He is working for answers. All of his studies have been self funded, so no outside party is influencing his results. The reason the facility is in Baja is because it is close enough to the states to facilitate people getting there, and they are doing treatments and procedures that are or were not approved in the US. He is not going to hold up what he knows will work to get through the red tape in the US. I cannot afford to go to the clinic, but I sure as heck could if I had cancer or something that was threatening my life. Cancer therapies in traditional hospitals are just as expensive, and we all know about how those turn out. The difference is that when you leave, you are either better, or armed with a plan to get better. You aren't going to get that from most doctors in this country! I'm sure that Dr. Wentz would take on patients who can't afford to pay, but I can tell you why he wouldn't advertise it if he does. It would look like they were experimenting on poor people- hey- like our government does! I know that Dr. Wentz has donated millions of his own dollars to the Children's Hunger Fund. And he takes what he does very seriously. There are lots of natural treatments that are not known world wide- because alternative medicine is continually pushed under big pharma's agenda. Look at Dr. Day...she cured herself of cancer, IS a medical doctor, and people are saying, " she's just trying to make money... " Well, duh. So are mainstream doctors...so is big pharma...so is our government. Those same people to dismiss her crazy claims will jump at every prescription their doctors write! We are all brainwashed to listen to certain people for whatever reason. At some point you have to wade through the muck and figure out the truth. I have done that. Dr. Wentz is not going to make money if he doesn't make people well. He is not getting money from big pharma. He is not getting money from the government. He is doing what he's doing because he wants to make a difference in the world. He also has another project I didn't mention earlier: http://www.mercuryfreenow.com Evie _____ From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On Behalf Of Steve Knight Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:44 PM candidiasis Subject: Re: BAD Water > : > I suppose you would only approve of a building falling apart in the sticks > that offers poopy water to drink? ? what has this got to do with anything. of course water needs to be clean. we are discussing the method of it. not that we do or don't need clean water. > > Let's see...probably at least half of the people here are here because a > MEDICAL DOCTOR was unable to help them. Told them to their faces that > their > problem doesn't exist. Put them through all kinds of tests to tell > them they > are perfectly healthy despite the horrible way that they feel. But we are > supposed to forget what someone has to say because they aren't a medical > doctor? Does it meet with your approval that he has some of the best > doctors > in the world working at his facility? well since he is not a medical doctor or a natural path or anything else I can see besides a PHD what am I supposed to believe? all I can say about the best doctors is I could not find much on the net about them. > Do you realize that the reason he is > rich is because he has been able to help a LOT of people conquer MANY > illnesses? Where do you think he got his money? You know, it's funny...I'm > not rich, but when I contacted his medical facility, they got back to me > within a few hours. So I'm thinking that being rich has nothing to do with > being treated there. You assume this why...? > I see him in a high end clinic. those seems to attract a lot of people that may nor many not improve but are willing to pay anything for it. Mexico is famous for such places. most docs don't get rich taking care of patients anymore. it is a lot of work and time. did you go to his clinic? can you afford to go there? I sure could not. because after checking the page it cames to be a luxury environment. you don't usually have that kind of setting for the poor. heck the video looks like something most of us can't afford. > If we are not to listen to someone like him, what in the world are we > supposed to listen to you for? Or each other, for that matter. Who exactly > meets with your approval? > the best source of medical info is double blind studies done right. most natural meds have not been tested this way and natural treatments. who would pay for it and who would profit? thats the problem now with health care. it is driven by profit. how can you fully trust something driven by profit? there is always bias towards it's own goals. if this place has done so much for modem medicine why are the treatments not discussed more around the world? checking google -- Steve knight Knight-Toolworks http://www.knight-toolworks.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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