Re: Probiotics - Inulin - Duncan

[Guest guest]

Duncan, I've been trying to find Inulin in the UK but it no longer seems to

be easily available (Lane's used to do one but stopped production a few

years ago). I wanted to just check with you, would you say the information

on this site is wrong?

http://www.althealth.co.uk/products/details.php?id=BI005

Alison

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[Guest guest]

Hi Alison,

It's better to refer to my prebiotic pages for answers than to look

to others for mistakes but:

>

>

> Duncan, I've been trying to find Inulin in the UK but it no longer

seems to

> be easily available (Lane's used to do one but stopped production a

few

> years ago). I wanted to just check with you, would you say the

information

> on this site is wrong?

>

> http://www.althealth.co.uk/products/details.php?id=BI005

>

> Alison

>

> God bless

Here's the quote:

" Vegetarian F.O.S. Fructo Oligo Saccharide Food Supplement. F.O.S

selectively support the growth of beneficial intestinal bacteria and

form part of the group of compounds found in raw fruits and

vegatables such as artichokes, chicory and dandelion. F.O.S

encourages peristaltic motion and is water dispersible and acts as a

bulking agent in the bowel.. Can be used as a nutritional support in

candida and yeast free diets. F.O.S does not elevate blood sugar nor

deplete B Vitamins from the diet. "

The references on my site indicate that many pathogens can use FOS

because of its degree of polymerisation (DP) of 3 to 5, averaging

3.7. However, I just saw a recent study that showed a few strains of

candida albicans do not use this chain length.

Commercial FOS is only about 2% to 3% of the indigestible carbs in

those foods, such a minority that just maybe the seller's webmaster

or the company is rusty on their terminology and they really

mean " native (or natural) inulin " . Some people think FOS is inulin.

I can't tell what's in it for sure despite a web search on the

product but it appears to be an inulin product and as such has a

longer chain length and is better than FOS.

Find out if it's inulin or FOS. I know that in the UK inulin is a

hard product to find; when I was selling sugar-free, FOS-free inulin

I had several customers in the UK.

Duncan

[Guest guest]

hi..i was wondering if drinking roasted chickory tea would provide much

inulin.

thanks..mike

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>     From: " Alison Orr " alison@...

>     Date: Sun May 21, 2006 3:11pm(PDT)

> Subject: Re: Probiotics - Inulin - Duncan

>

> Duncan, I've been trying to find Inulin in the UK but it no longer seems to

> be easily available (Lane's used to do one but stopped production a few

> years ago).  I wanted to just check with you, would you say the information

> on this site is wrong?

>

> http://www.althealth.co.uk/products/details.php?id=BI005

>

> Alison

>

> God bless

[Guest guest]

> hi..i was wondering if drinking roasted chickory tea would provide

> much inulin.

>

> thanks..mike

Mike, chicory coffee can contain up to 3 grams of inulin per cup,

so estimating about 2 grams, you could get an adequate daily

inulin dose by drinking 5 or six cups.

Duncan

[Guest guest]

just curious why inulin would virtually eradicate headaches, most

brain fog, and deliver longer lasting clear headed energy - i do have

gas from it but the overall effects are pretty much miraculous

any idea why that is?

On May 23, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Duncan Crow wrote:

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> > hi..i was wondering if drinking roasted chickory tea would provide

> > much inulin.

> >

> > thanks..mike

>

> Mike, chicory coffee can contain up to 3 grams of inulin per cup,

> so estimating about 2 grams, you could get an adequate daily

> inulin dose by drinking 5 or six cups.

>

> Duncan

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>

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>

[Guest guest]

Inulin can eradicate headaches and most brain fog simply because it

reduces the bowel toxins produced so it reduces symptoms of toxicity.

Inulin increases long-lasting energy because the probiotic bacteria

release that energy in a slower manner per ounce than if you ate

carbs. Inulin also helps to control glucose surges, meaning less of a

glucose rush, meaning the energy is more sustained i.e. lasts longer

before its depleted (per ounce).

It's in the research if you want to check, I think cited in Tungland's

article, which is referenced.

Duncan

>

> just curious why inulin would virtually eradicate headaches, most

> brain fog, and deliver longer lasting clear headed energy - i do

have

> gas from it but the overall effects are pretty much miraculous

>

> any idea why that is?

>

[Guest guest]

thanks for the response, duncan. and thank you for your protocol

which seems to be helping me cover the last mile of my recovery.

how long is it safe to take the inulin? should you try to increase it

gradually over time? any issues taking it every day for an extended

period?

[Guest guest]

One last thing - the inulin, despite it's ridiculous benefits in my

case, is causing rather monolithic gas - does that go away over time

or should i just step it back and try to find a less volatile dosage?

my understanding is that the goal is to increase - but that seems

scary unless there is some indication that an adaptation will occur -

thanks again for your time and input

hsy

On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Duncan Crow wrote:

> Inulin can eradicate headaches and most brain fog simply because it

> reduces the bowel toxins produced so it reduces symptoms of toxicity.

>

> Inulin increases long-lasting energy because the probiotic bacteria

> release that energy in a slower manner per ounce than if you ate

> carbs. Inulin also helps to control glucose surges, meaning less of a

> glucose rush, meaning the energy is more sustained i.e. lasts longer

> before its depleted (per ounce).

>

> It's in the research if you want to check, I think cited in Tungland's

> article, which is referenced.

>

> Duncan

>

>

> >

> > just curious why inulin would virtually eradicate headaches, most

> > brain fog, and deliver longer lasting clear headed energy - i do

> have

> > gas from it but the overall effects are pretty much miraculous

> >

> > any idea why that is?

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Inulin is safe forever, and should be taken forever if you want to

maintain the correct bowel ecology forever. You'll need a minimum of

10 grams or so daily (from all sources, most days). A healthy bowel

ecology is fairly resilient fom day to day but the probiotics slip

their grip and die back afte a few days when you stop feeding them,

allowing pathogens the chance to reassert themselves.

Increasing the inulin past about 15 grams serves no additional

purpose; more than the pobiotics can digest is just so much soluble

fiber.

Duncan

>

>

> thanks for the response, duncan. and thank you for your protocol

> which seems to be helping me cover the last mile of my recovery.

>

> how long is it safe to take the inulin? should you try to increase

it

> gradually over time? any issues taking it every day for an extended

> period?

>

[Guest guest]

Some of that gas is produced by who-knows activity from mainly

methane producers unrelated to the probiotic that are eating the 10%

sugar and 3% FOS in " native inulin " , and other food such as meat.

At first there may be substantial gas produced at full inulin dose

because lactobacilli produce gas, but as the bifidobacteria, which do

not produce gas, outcompete the organisms including lactobacilli, the

gas dops markedly. For the time being, realize too that the smell

will change from paint-peeling, to more healthy smelling -- you can

actually use the fat smell as a general indicator of bowel health.

Well, at least it's good for something

You can start low and gradually ramp up if its a problem. Realize

though that gas is a natural fermentation product and some is to be

expected.

I'm in the throes of propelling an International company to start up

a new retail source of the same long chain inulin I used to sell on

my site, if anyone is interested. If you'll recall it's FOS and sugar

free. They'll probably have it in the UK too

Duncan

>

> One last thing - the inulin, despite it's ridiculous benefits in

my

> case, is causing rather monolithic gas - does that go away over

time

> or should i just step it back and try to find a less volatile

dosage?

> my understanding is that the goal is to increase - but that seems

> scary unless there is some indication that an adaptation will

occur -

> thanks again for your time and input

>

> hsy

[Guest guest]

okay great, thanks again - and to clarify - the NOW inulin does have

sugar in it? and if so, it's fructose? is the FOS and sugar free

stuff still available anywhere?

[Guest guest]

Native inulin has a natural sugar component of about 6%-10%;

nevertheless the successful studies on dysbiois with few exceptions

all used native inulin. It still works because in the natural

environment in the gut the probiotic bacteria assert dominance anyway,

in time.

The sugar is primarily fructose but native inulin can contain traces

of glucose and sucrose, which is a single glucose and a single frucose

joined.

I'll let the group know once we have access to retail quantities of

long chain sugar-free FOS-free inulin again. I head there was some on

the Internet at retail at double my old price but couldn't find it to

compare. My price was based on my cost which was faily high because I

was getting hosed by only buying several sacks at a time. I think if

they do decide to do it, the company I'm talking to will be able to

get it out fairly inexpensively due to their much higher volume; they

alrady have a netwok of distibutors (no, it's not MLM).

Duncan

>

> okay great, thanks again - and to clarify - the NOW inulin does

have

> sugar in it? and if so, it's fructose? is the FOS and sugar free

> stuff still available anywhere?

>