Re: andreas on anti-fungals

[Guest guest]

It makes sense to me. I thank God I did not use them very long, and

regret every day I did.

g

> what are your thoughts on this?

>

> http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=337 & i=11

[Guest guest]

> what are your thoughts on this?

>

> http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=337 & i=11

I just wonder if this tea tree treatment is going to work.

[Guest guest]

> what are your thoughts on this?

>

> http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=337 & i=11

I just wonder if this tea tree treatment is going to work.

[Guest guest]

Wait a minute. Now we're against antifungals? The stuff everyone's been

recommending forever to kill the candida, ie the yeast, the overgrowth

that’s causing our problems? What did I miss? Are we all just ready to

abandon everything we know the second we hear something else? I'm not

sure myself about anything, but I think flocking to one solution only to

abandon it for another a second later is going to do none of us any

good, as we wont ever stick to any one treatment program. I don’t for a

second believe that garlic, for example, is cancer-causing. Lets all

calm down and not believe everything we read without a lot more research

Re: andreas on anti-fungals

It makes sense to me. I thank God I did not use them very long, and

regret every day I did.

g

> what are your thoughts on this?

>

> http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=337 & i=11

[Guest guest]

This is not new for me, I have not taken any antifungals for about a

year. if you believe candida is a symptom and not the cause, why

bother with the symptom. focus on the cause and the symptom

disappears. Don't take probiotics either, for the same reason. it

all just depends on your approach.

g

> > what are your thoughts on this?

> >

> > http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=337 & i=11

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

s' view on bacteria and yeast finding you to be a good host may

be seen as partly correct in some circumstances. In many, however, the

body's defences are just slack. This has a dietary cause in most

people, and a toxin cause in some.

His view on cancer being another of the body's survival mechanisms is

sure odd, considering Otto Warburg was awarded two Nobel Prizes and

nominated for a third for his work in proving that cancer results from

low oxygen levels. This is another toxin link. Having all those cells

multiplying in an uncontrolled manner has little to do with your

survival. The mechanism by which cancer ferments sugar is the same one

that allows athletes to push physically while they are overexpending

and in an anaerobic state.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

one might ask why the oxygen levels are low the first place... and

what type of cells could survive in such an environment.

> s' view on bacteria and yeast finding you to be a good host may

> be seen as partly correct in some circumstances. In many, however, the

> body's defences are just slack. This has a dietary cause in most

> people, and a toxin cause in some.

>

> His view on cancer being another of the body's survival mechanisms is

> sure odd, considering Otto Warburg was awarded two Nobel Prizes and

> nominated for a third for his work in proving that cancer results from

> low oxygen levels. This is another toxin link. Having all those cells

> multiplying in an uncontrolled manner has little to do with your

> survival. The mechanism by which cancer ferments sugar is the same one

> that allows athletes to push physically while they are overexpending

> and in an anaerobic state.

>

>

> Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

I don't think it depends just on your approach, since every one of us is so different.

After many years of trying the accupuncture, massage, hypnosis, aromatherapy, meditation, positive reinforcement, sleep therapy, etc, etc, etc, (the list is endless) and no changes, I turned to alternative therapies. After starting antifungals and probiotics, I'm noticing physical changes that nothing else touched. But I do believe that some methods work WITH some lifestyle changes. Everything's connected.

To make blanket statements that antifungals, probiotics, etc. don't work, just isn't right. With so many people, and not truly knowing exactly which underlying cause(s) each person has, it's wrong to discount certain methods/therapies. But that's just my opinion.

Chris

[Guest guest]

I posted the link because the source was andreas moritz, whose

solutions are highly revered on this list. I have bottles of

anti-fungals in my kitchen and I don't want them to go to waste so I'm

torn. I have definitely felt relief from taking anti-fungals. I'm not

sure how to take it either.

> > what are your thoughts on this?

> >

> > http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=337 & i=11

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The short answer is, its up to you to research it from all angles and

do what you think is right. its your body. have you ever thought

about body testing/kinseology (sp?) some people use this to determine

what to eat or take. I don't, but it might help you.

g

> > > what are your thoughts on this?

> > >

> > > http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=337 & i=11

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> one might ask why the oxygen levels are low the first place...

Toxin load from any source, depleted antioxidants.

and

> what type of cells could survive in such an environment.

>

Most cells can survive for a short while, as in anaerobic exercise. But

they can not survive for long as ordinary cells. An anareobic condition

triggers fermentation, a precursor to cancer.

Dr Warburg could reliably induce cancer in just three weeks just by

reducing oxygen to the cells.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

He discusses Otto Warburg on page 161 of “The

Key to Health and Rejuvenation”.

As far as cancer being a survival

mechanism, it is also discussed on page 161. He discusses all

of these things you’ve mentioned before – the survival mechanism,

glucose, oxygen, congestion, toxins and ties them all together.

I don’t think one can get a full

appreciation of what s view is without reading the book, so I’m not

sure it’s fair to say his view is “odd” without knowing fully

what it is.

Re: Re:

andreas on anti-fungals

s' view on bacteria and

yeast finding you to be a good host may

be seen as partly correct in some circumstances.

In many, however, the

body's defences are just slack. This has a dietary

cause in most

people, and a toxin cause in some.

His view on cancer being another of the body's

survival mechanisms is

sure odd, considering Otto Warburg was awarded two

Nobel Prizes and

nominated for a third for his work in proving that

cancer results from

low oxygen levels. This is another toxin

link. Having all those cells

multiplying in an uncontrolled manner has little

to do with your

survival. The mechanism by which cancer ferments

sugar is the same one

that allows athletes to push physically while they

are overexpending

and in an anaerobic state.

Duncan Crow

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[Guest guest]

So i don't really see any disagreement here.

>

> > one might ask why the oxygen levels are low the first place...

>

> Toxin load from any source, depleted antioxidants.

>

>

> and

> > what type of cells could survive in such an environment.

> >

>

> Most cells can survive for a short while, as in anaerobic exercise.

But

> they can not survive for long as ordinary cells. An anareobic

condition

> triggers fermentation, a precursor to cancer.

>

> Dr Warburg could reliably induce cancer in just three weeks just by

> reducing oxygen to the cells.

>

> Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

So i don't really see any disagreement here. cells mutate to stay

alive in a toxic environment. that toxic enviroment can be said to

arise from three general causes. 1. too much intake of toxins 2.

weakness of body's channels of elimination 3. poor bodily functions

(digestion) resulting in greater prodcution of bodily toxins.

result, cancer.

>

> > one might ask why the oxygen levels are low the first place...

>

> Toxin load from any source, depleted antioxidants.

>

>

> and

> > what type of cells could survive in such an environment.

> >

>

> Most cells can survive for a short while, as in anaerobic exercise.

But

> they can not survive for long as ordinary cells. An anareobic

condition

> triggers fermentation, a precursor to cancer.

>

> Dr Warburg could reliably induce cancer in just three weeks just by

> reducing oxygen to the cells.

>

> Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

yes, but work is a relative term. do you think you can take those

things all your life without affecting your body? I took them and

know they bring relief, that is for sure. but, and this is my big

problem with products like enzymes and probiotics, they are crutches,

they will not allow the body to heal. you must keep taking them

unless you find a way to wean yourself and change the factors that

got you in trouble in the first place.

g

> I don't think it depends just on your approach, since every one of

us is so

> different.

>

> After many years of trying the accupuncture, massage, hypnosis,

aromatherapy,

> meditation, positive reinforcement, sleep therapy, etc, etc, etc,

(the list

> is endless) and no changes, I turned to alternative therapies.

After starting

> antifungals and probiotics, I'm noticing physical changes that

nothing else

> touched. But I do believe that some methods work WITH some

lifestyle changes.

> Everything's connected.

>

> To make blanket statements that antifungals, probiotics, etc. don't

work,

> just isn't right. With so many people, and not truly knowing

exactly which

> underlying cause(s) each person has, it's wrong to discount certain

> methods/therapies. But that's just my opinion.

>

> Chris

[Guest guest]

Question for Duncan - I would assume that your recommendation to take 35%

peroxide is to get oxygen to the cells? I looked for 35% at the local

drugstore and no luck. Where would I get it? Or should I have asked the

pharmacist? Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Hi g

I agree that most supplements shouldn't be taken your entire life. However, for some of us (finicky eaters, for one example) there are some things that we just can't add to our diets, for various reasons.

I agree completely that we have to find out what caused the problems in the first place. In my case, I underwent an horriffic medical trauma at the age of 2. I'm now 42. So after 40 years of problems/deteoriation, it will probably take me many years to right the wrongs. So some of the supplements I will most likely have to take indefinitely.

As for making lifestyle changes, again some things just aren't possible, Mostly due to cost. If supplements are an affordable alternative, then that will most likely be the route for some of us, again, indefinitely. It may not be our first choice, but at this juncture, the only choice. Make sense?

Chris

[Guest guest]

What you mean for kinseology? Maybe kinesiology? If so I tried it and I got

the related therapy done for 6 months. It didn't help much, probably just

20%. To me, as s said, if your liver is still full of waste how can

you expect yourself to be recovered totally even if you take tons of anti

fungals and vitamins and probiotics? This does a lot of sense to me too. My

doc was not aware of the liver flush and in addition to this he told me he

was willing to try it either! When he gave me the anti-candida therapy

together with blood type diet I recall he said " this is the best solution

you can find " . Later on I was wondering by myself " why I feel more or less

like 6 months ago (except for better sleeping at night, more regular

menstruation period, daily bowel movements with quite good stools - I still

got mucus less but still). I ate refined sugar five or six time during these

6 months but I didn't feel as bad compared to the beginning. From now on I

will research it from all angles.

Simona

Re: andreas on anti-fungals

The short answer is, its up to you to research it from all angles and

do what you think is right. its your body. have you ever thought

about body testing/kinseology (sp?) some people use this to determine

what to eat or take. I don't, but it might help you.

g

> > > what are your thoughts on this?

> > >

> > > http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=337 & i=11

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi g,

Maybe I misunderstood you. You commented in some recent posts "don't waste your time or money with antifungals." and "I thank God I did not use them very long, and

regret every day I did." If you want to have all sides of this debate represented, then I guess I'm confused why you'd say that certain things are useless.

I for one haven't discounted anything at this point. I know some people say never to listen to s Moritz or Schulze (from Curezone), since they are not doctors. I can't agree because I think some people need to look at all possibilities, no matter where they come from. And Alternative Medicine is still judged harshly at this point (sort of like chiropractors were a few years ago).

If you and I agree on this, then that's why I'm confused that you discounted antifungals and probiotics. It seems to me that you wouldn't discount anything?

(Hope I explained this better.)

Chris

[Guest guest]

Hi Simona,

Thank you for your kind post! I only work part-time, due to being sick. But I have not given up the fight yet (but I have come close sometimes!)

I recently went to an holistic MD for a 1/2 hour consultation, just to see if I'm on the right track with the Candida treatments. He explained that because of the medical trauma, it most likely threw my immune system out of whack then, so that's why I've had a lifetime of illness. He did also discuss the mind/body connection, which is something I've always believed in anyways. He did say he suspects that Candida is PART of my problem, but more of an overall immune system problem. He also said that because of the emotional trauma of the procedures done to me, that helped pull the immune system out of whack. I hadn't really thought that was relative, until he explained it all. He made a lot of sense and if/when I get money, I'll be going back to him.

Since I only work part-time, and was recently divorced, I do not have any health insurance, so it doesn't matter that I don't get reimbursed for medical costs!

Chris

[Guest guest]

its all about what you want for yourself. I post the info I post for

people who may not know of all the alternatives, and may be looking

for the same thing I am looking for. if what I say does not appeal or

resonate with you, you are free to disregard. What harm does it do to

have all sides of this debate represented? people are then free to

choose their own path.

johng

> Hi g

>

> I agree that most supplements shouldn't be taken your entire life.

However,

> for some of us (finicky eaters, for one example) there are some

things that we

> just can't add to our diets, for various reasons.

> I agree completely that we have to find out what caused the problems

in the

> first place. In my case, I underwent an horriffic medical trauma at

the age of

> 2. I'm now 42. So after 40 years of problems/deteoriation, it will

probably

> take me many years to right the wrongs. So some of the supplements I

will most

> likely have to take indefinitely.

> As for making lifestyle changes, again some things just aren't

possible,

> Mostly due to cost. If supplements are an affordable alternative,

then that will

> most likely be the route for some of us, again, indefinitely. It may

not be our

> first choice, but at this juncture, the only choice. Make sense?

>

> Chris

[Guest guest]

Dear

I just can't believe you passed

through 40 years of suffering! Sometimes nearly 4 years (that is to say my

yeast connection duration) seems to me a lifetime! I agree with you. It's

not always possible to put together all the related good remedies at the same

time. I'll tell you what...at the beginning of this devastating story

I resigned the job I had. I stayed 7 months at home doing nothing at all since

I was too weak. Later on I was told from an American friend about avoiding

sugar intake. Her name is Diane. Can you believe I phoned this poor lady (she's

48. She had her yeast connection at 40) a hundred times a day! At a point and

as far as I found information about the holistic world money was needed. Necessarily.

So I decided to catch a new job (my actual) also because lifestyle in Italy was

and is still so expensive now a day even if my husband and I have no child. Fortunately

I found a GREAT job. I like it bunches and this helped for sure my personal and

the whole situation. In addition to this National Heath System in Italy does not reimburse ANY

of those holistic expenses and to me this is definitely UNFAIR!

Never give up Chris. You're so

strong and brave. I think we all have to learn from you courage.

Simona

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Hi g

I agree that most supplements shouldn't be taken your entire life. However, for

some of us (finicky eaters, for one example) there are some things that we just

can't add to our diets, for various reasons.

I agree completely that we have to find out what caused the problems in the

first place. In my case, I underwent an horriffic medical trauma at the age of

2. I'm now 42. So after 40 years of problems/deteoriation, it will probably

take me many years to right the wrongs. So some of the supplements I will most

likely have to take indefinitely.

As for making lifestyle changes, again some things just aren't possible, Mostly

due to cost. If supplements are an affordable alternative, then that will most

likely be the route for some of us, again, indefinitely. It may not be our

first choice, but at this juncture, the only choice. Make sense?

Chris

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> So i don't really see any disagreement here. cells mutate to stay

> alive in a toxic environment.

Cells don't usually mutate, although broken DNA can sometimes occur.

The repair mechanism for broken DNA relies on high oxygen levels.

I think the mechanism you're discussing is that when they undergo cell

division, cells are dedifferentiated (purposeless, like a cancer cell)

and then they need a signal to tell them which type of cell they are

supposed to be during the redifferentiation stage of cell division.

(Dr. O. Becker " Body Electric " )

They don't de-differentiate to stay alive, they simply have not got the

instruction yet. If you take a lung cancer cell and put it in an

aerobic position, say in the leg muscle, and redifferentiate it, it

becomes not a lung cell, but a muscle cell. That's why when metastatic

cancer is cured, all those metastases can't be found; they have adopted

the function of the tissue they're situated in.

> that toxic enviroment can be said to

> arise from three general causes.

1. too much intake of toxins 2.

> weakness of body's channels of elimination 3. poor bodily functions

> (digestion) resulting in greater prodcution of bodily toxins. result,

> cancer.

Generally agreed, to a point. We target toxins a lot, and often it is

the case, but that's not the whole story; Dr Warburg won his second

Nobel prize for proving that ANYTHING, toxin or not, that can reduce

oxygen to the cells, can induce cancer. Not saying that does not

increase natural toxin load inside the cells, which it probably does.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

I am simply expressing my belief that such products are unecessary and

could be harmful. people are free to agree or disagree. I'm not sure

why one has to be right or wrong. you think they help, you of course

can feel this way, and I am not going to tell you that you are wrong.

I think the antifungal approach is well represented on this list. I

simply post my opinion for those, who like I was, may be looking for

another way without yet knowing what that way is yet. They can read

my post, read yours, read others, and decide what to do. it seems

fair to me.

g

> Hi g,

>

> Maybe I misunderstood you. You commented in some recent posts " don't

waste

> your time or money with antifungals. " and " I thank God I did not use

them very

> long, and

> regret every day I did. " If you want to have all sides of this debate

> represented, then I guess I'm confused why you'd say that certain

things are useless.

>

> I for one haven't discounted anything at this point. I know some

people say

> never to listen to s Moritz or Schulze (from

Curezone), since

> they are not doctors. I can't agree because I think some people need

to look at

> all possibilities, no matter where they come from. And Alternative

Medicine is

> still judged harshly at this point (sort of like chiropractors were

a few

> years ago).

>

> If you and I agree on this, then that's why I'm confused that you

discounted

> antifungals and probiotics. It seems to me that you wouldn't discount

> anything?

> (Hope I explained this better.)

>

> Chris

[Guest guest]

From my understanding, cell mutation is quite common. a healthy body

simply rejects and kills such cells almost immediatly.

> > So i don't really see any disagreement here. cells mutate to stay

> > alive in a toxic environment.

>

> Cells don't usually mutate, although broken DNA can sometimes occur.

> The repair mechanism for broken DNA relies on high oxygen levels.

>

> I think the mechanism you're discussing is that when they undergo cell

> division, cells are dedifferentiated (purposeless, like a cancer cell)

> and then they need a signal to tell them which type of cell they are

> supposed to be during the redifferentiation stage of cell division.

> (Dr. O. Becker " Body Electric " )

>

> They don't de-differentiate to stay alive, they simply have not got the

> instruction yet. If you take a lung cancer cell and put it in an

> aerobic position, say in the leg muscle, and redifferentiate it, it

> becomes not a lung cell, but a muscle cell. That's why when metastatic

> cancer is cured, all those metastases can't be found; they have adopted

> the function of the tissue they're situated in.

>

> > that toxic enviroment can be said to

> > arise from three general causes.

> 1. too much intake of toxins 2.

> > weakness of body's channels of elimination 3. poor bodily functions

> > (digestion) resulting in greater prodcution of bodily toxins. result,

> > cancer.

>

> Generally agreed, to a point. We target toxins a lot, and often it is

> the case, but that's not the whole story; Dr Warburg won his second

> Nobel prize for proving that ANYTHING, toxin or not, that can reduce

> oxygen to the cells, can induce cancer. Not saying that does not

> increase natural toxin load inside the cells, which it probably does.

>

> Duncan Crow