Re: Re: primal defense - probiotics

[Guest guest]

OK... so if I understand this correctly... if I use Primal Defense to

build my own culture... and take inulin on a regular basis to feed the

good bacteria... then at some point I should be able to stop the Primal

Defense... or ANY probiotic... especially if I am following the diet...

is this correct?

I found Puritan's Pride online (www.puritan.com) and yes it is much

cheaper... maybe I'll eventually switch to a cheaper brand if I still

need to take a probiotic. I think where you were confusing me was that

I thought I had to look for a " special probiotic " and the fact is that

you feel Primal Defense is an overpriced product with unnecessary

strains and the maker is out to make money. I have yet to understand

your statement: " switch to something that's designed to be complementary

to natural bowel biotics " ... or are you saying any good probiotic other

than Garden of Life products? As you say... there are many but not all

live up to their claims. How do we realy know until we try them??

I know many use ThreeLac... the MLM hipe turns me off , but I might

consider it in the future, if I can find it without having to join

anything for a reasonable price. I really don't have a clear

understanding of that product at this point.

At this point I know the Garden of Life products seem to work well for

me. It has been my lack of understanding and eating the wrong foods

that has caused me setbacks. I did try a cheaper probiotic, but I also

was not following the diet very well at the time either so I do not have

a good example if another probiotic will work as well for me. Since I

have another unused bottle of Primal Defense and the Fungal Defense...

I'll use those up. I will add the inulin to my diet, keep up with the

coconut oil and psyllium capsules... stay on track with the diet and see

what happens.

I am not sure what else to do at this point.

Carol

Duncan Crow wrote:

>Hi ,

>

>

>

>>The best store brand I know of is Garden of Life from Florida.

>>Take a look at this:

>>http://www.gardenoflifeusa.com/testimonials/jordan.html

>>

>>What do you think, Duncan?

>>

>>

>

>That is a Primal Defense ad. Although in the short term it can

>be useful because PD contains several bacteria and yeasts that

>are meant to outcompete pathogenic bacteria and yeast in the

>short term, in the long term they will be outcompeted in the

>bowel.

>

>So, a person who desires to build their own culture will use PD

>for the short while, then switch to something that's designed

>to be complemetary to natural bowel biotics, plus something

>like inulin to help them establish the culture, which is like a

>living mat on the bowel lining.

>

>Otherwise, following Primal Defense recommendations, you take

>the expensive probiotic forever because without feeding the

>culture, probiotics only work while you're using them. Indeed,

>as many people are finding, even after months on PD, when they

>stop using it they relapse.

>

>Duncan Crow

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

>

> OK... so if I understand this correctly... if I use Primal

> Defense to build my own culture... and take inulin on a regular

> basis to feed the good bacteria... then at some point I should

> be able to stop the Primal Defense... or ANY probiotic...

> especially if I am following the diet... is this correct?

Yes, that's what I mean. And once the bowel has a healthy

bacterial population, by using much more inulin-containing

food, you may not even need the spray-dried inulin as a

supplement. Remember, historic use quietened a " warm and windy

stomache " with simply a chicory root broth.

>

> I found Puritan's Pride online (www.puritan.com) and yes it is

> much cheaper... maybe I'll eventually switch to a cheaper brand

> if I still need to take a probiotic. I think where you were

> confusing me was that I thought I had to look for a " special

> probiotic " and the fact is that you feel Primal Defense is an

> overpriced product with unnecessary strains and the maker is out

> to make money. I have yet to understand your statement: " switch

> to something that's designed to be complementary to natural

> bowel biotics " ... or are you saying any good probiotic other

> than Garden of Life products? As you say... there are many but

> not all live up to their claims. How do we realy know until we

> try them??

" switch to something that's designed to be complementary to

natural bowel biotics " means that after the Primal Defense has

done the damage control its supposed to, you can switch to

something cheaper that does not contain unnecessary bacteria

and yeasts that should be outcompeted anyway, then soon

eliminate that too.

There are many good probiotics, yes. I'd look for a 'guarantee'

because that claim would be enforced by the feds.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Duncan

> > The best store brand I know of is Garden of Life from Florida.

> > Take a look at this:

> > http://www.gardenoflifeusa.com/testimonials/jordan.html

> >

> > What do you think, Duncan?

>

> That is a Primal Defense ad. Although in the short term it can

> be useful because PD contains several bacteria and yeasts that

> are meant to outcompete pathogenic bacteria and yeast in the

> short term, in the long term they will be outcompeted in the

> bowel.

>

> So, a person who desires to build their own culture will use PD

> for the short while, then switch to something that's designed

> to be complemetary to natural bowel biotics, plus something

> like inulin to help them establish the culture, which is like a

> living mat on the bowel lining.

>

> Otherwise, following Primal Defense recommendations, you take

> the expensive probiotic forever because without feeding the

> culture, probiotics only work while you're using them. Indeed,

> as many people are finding, even after months on PD, when they

> stop using it they relapse.

>

> Duncan Crow

Interesting thoughts. I did not know that about the bacterial cultures in

the gut. I still remain impressed with the testimonial for Primal Defense. I

would not call it " just an ad " . I see it as a compelling testimony about a

solution for the Crohn's disease sufferrers. I have a sense that the Garden

of Life folks are sincere people ...

[Guest guest]

I emailed the company and asked for a source for outside study results and the

response was they have not used any outside sources and do not plan to anytime

in the near future.

Huh makes me wonder why not!

Laurie

Re: Re: primal defense - probiotics

Duncan

> > The best store brand I know of is Garden of Life from Florida.

> > Take a look at this:

> > http://www.gardenoflifeusa.com/testimonials/jordan.html

> >

> > What do you think, Duncan?

>

> That is a Primal Defense ad. Although in the short term it can

> be useful because PD contains several bacteria and yeasts that

> are meant to outcompete pathogenic bacteria and yeast in the

> short term, in the long term they will be outcompeted in the

> bowel.

>

> So, a person who desires to build their own culture will use PD

> for the short while, then switch to something that's designed

> to be complemetary to natural bowel biotics, plus something

> like inulin to help them establish the culture, which is like a

> living mat on the bowel lining.

>

> Otherwise, following Primal Defense recommendations, you take

> the expensive probiotic forever because without feeding the

> culture, probiotics only work while you're using them. Indeed,

> as many people are finding, even after months on PD, when they

> stop using it they relapse.

>

> Duncan Crow

Interesting thoughts. I did not know that about the bacterial cultures in

the gut. I still remain impressed with the testimonial for Primal Defense. I

would not call it " just an ad " . I see it as a compelling testimony about a

solution for the Crohn's disease sufferrers. I have a sense that the Garden

of Life folks are sincere people ...

[Guest guest]

So, Duncan,

What do you suggest for people taking PD in the long term? I've been taking it

for almost two months and while I'm on it the candida symptoms almost completely

subside but I have a feeling that as soon as I stop the symtpom will return.

In what form it inulin taken? Are there any good brands to look for?

m.

" Laurie K. " <laurker@...> wrote:

I emailed the company and asked for a source for outside study results and the

response was they have not used any outside sources and do not plan to anytime

in the near future.

Huh makes me wonder why not!

Laurie

Re: Re: primal defense - probiotics

Duncan

> > The best store brand I know of is Garden of Life from Florida.

> > Take a look at this:

> > http://www.gardenoflifeusa.com/testimonials/jordan.html

> >

> > What do you think, Duncan?

>

> That is a Primal Defense ad. Although in the short term it can

> be useful because PD contains several bacteria and yeasts that

> are meant to outcompete pathogenic bacteria and yeast in the

> short term, in the long term they will be outcompeted in the

> bowel.

>

> So, a person who desires to build their own culture will use PD

> for the short while, then switch to something that's designed

> to be complemetary to natural bowel biotics, plus something

> like inulin to help them establish the culture, which is like a

> living mat on the bowel lining.

>

> Otherwise, following Primal Defense recommendations, you take

> the expensive probiotic forever because without feeding the

> culture, probiotics only work while you're using them. Indeed,

> as many people are finding, even after months on PD, when they

> stop using it they relapse.

>

> Duncan Crow

Interesting thoughts. I did not know that about the bacterial cultures in

the gut. I still remain impressed with the testimonial for Primal Defense. I

would not call it " just an ad " . I see it as a compelling testimony about a

solution for the Crohn's disease sufferrers. I have a sense that the Garden

of Life folks are sincere people ...

[Guest guest]

>

> I emailed the company and asked for a source for outside study

> results and the response was they have not used any outside

> sources and do not plan to anytime in the near future. Huh makes

> me wonder why not! Laurie

Laurie, I think the main reason is that a study in the peer-

reviewed journal Gastroenterology questions the wisdom of going

ahead and incorporating into a probiotic, several bacterial

strains that are found in the soil and in some animals but not

in humans.

The secondary reason is that Primal Defense doesn't seem to

want customers to know that they can use a prebiotic to

establish a positive change in bowel culture without employing

foreign bacteria probiotics.

That is the nature of what is in the independent studies, and

so altogether, it's hard to find studies that agree with PD's

marketing stance.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> So, Duncan,

>

> What do you suggest for people taking PD in the long term? I've

> been taking it for almost two months and while I'm on it the

> candida symptoms almost completely subside but I have a feeling

> that as soon as I stop the symtpom will return.

>

> In what form it inulin taken? Are there any good brands to look

> for?

In my view prebiotics like inulin should be used.

But because the shorter-chain fermentables can contribute to

the growth of unwanted bactera, and most also contain up to 10%

sugar used by the unwanted bacteria and by yeast, I've taken

the trouble to source out and make available an inulin that has

had the shortest chain polysaccharides and sugar removed. This

FOS- and sugar-free inulin is now available, and I think I'm

the only source world-wide for this purified inulin at retail.

The science and a purchase point is on my website, and I've had

many people on it with excellent results. At least, it's

preferred for candida, diabetes, IBS, crohn's and colitis

patients. Healthier people can use inulin that has FOS and

sugar in it with no problem.

Three teaspoons of inulin per day, 15 grams, uses up a pound in

a month, and after two months you can probably start to cut

back to two teaspoons, then one daily as your diet improves.

regards,

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Duncan-

can you please give me your web address.

-Patty

>From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

>Reply-candidiasis

>candidiasis

>Subject: Re: Re: Re: primal defense - probiotics

>Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:03:27 -0800

>

>

>Hi ,

>

> > So, Duncan,

> >

> > What do you suggest for people taking PD in the long term? I've

> > been taking it for almost two months and while I'm on it the

> > candida symptoms almost completely subside but I have a feeling

> > that as soon as I stop the symtpom will return.

> >

> > In what form it inulin taken? Are there any good brands to look

> > for?

>

>In my view prebiotics like inulin should be used.

>

>But because the shorter-chain fermentables can contribute to

>the growth of unwanted bactera, and most also contain up to 10%

>sugar used by the unwanted bacteria and by yeast, I've taken

>the trouble to source out and make available an inulin that has

>had the shortest chain polysaccharides and sugar removed. This

>FOS- and sugar-free inulin is now available, and I think I'm

>the only source world-wide for this purified inulin at retail.

>

>The science and a purchase point is on my website, and I've had

>many people on it with excellent results. At least, it's

>preferred for candida, diabetes, IBS, crohn's and colitis

>patients. Healthier people can use inulin that has FOS and

>sugar in it with no problem.

>

>Three teaspoons of inulin per day, 15 grams, uses up a pound in

>a month, and after two months you can probably start to cut

>back to two teaspoons, then one daily as your diet improves.

>

>regards,

>

>Duncan Crow

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