Guest guest Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 Good luck Ali. I hope it works as well for you as it has for me. There are many people out there who have followed this approach and will be there to offer you support if you need it, including me. be patient, rull with punches, and most of all, rediscover the joy in life again. g > hi everyone. i've been posting on here for about four months now, > sometimes obsessively, so i figured that i should post now about > some changes i've made in the past week. > after 4 months on a strict candida diet and supplement protocol, > i've decided to abandon most of it in favor of an approach that > incorporates ayurvedic diet guidlines and a 'wise traditions' style > of food preparation. i have reintroduced grains and honey, and am > focusing more on the manner and timing of my food consumption, as > well as other recommendations i learned of from reading s > Moritz's books. > i feel that the quality of my life is more important than > any 'regimine'. my social and personal life has completely > deteriorated- first because of my illness (which is not solely > candida-related, i have other problems), then because of my > inability to share meals with others and need to concentrate energy > on my diet and adhere to a strict supplementation schedule. my > partner calls my vitamin box 'the life support system'! > in all fairness, my candida diet was stricter than most. i have > extensive food allergies, with new ones constantly developing. this > has resulted in a diet mostly composed of cruciferous vegetables, > homemade yogurt, and turkey. > i can't live like this anymore. i must be able to find joy in my > daily activities, and this is impossible if i am constantly > monitoring my food intake, keeping a diary of my symptoms and > popping pills and mixing drinks. i will never get better if i am > miserable and isolated. i'm 24 years old and i have become a shut-in. > i know some of you have mentioned the danger of developing an eating > disorder from the strict diet, and i can attest to that! i never > want to count carbs or fat grams or protein, ever again. whatever > happened to enjoyment? i am trying to eliminate the voice that tells > me that a perfectly good and healthy food is 'bad'. > so, now i have been colon and kidney cleansing for the past couple > of weeks and am preparing for my first liver cleanse. i will keep > posting here (less frequently though. i need to get out more.) i > hope that everyone is doing well and enjoying their life, and i'll > keep y'all updated. > aliqaesong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 It sounds to me like you're headed for that light at the end of the tunnel. Rick > hi everyone. i've been posting on here for about four months now, > sometimes obsessively, so i figured that i should post now about > some changes i've made in the past week. > after 4 months on a strict candida diet and supplement protocol, > i've decided to abandon most of it in favor of an approach that > incorporates ayurvedic diet guidlines and a 'wise traditions' style > of food preparation. i have reintroduced grains and honey, and am > focusing more on the manner and timing of my food consumption, as > well as other recommendations i learned of from reading s > Moritz's books. > i feel that the quality of my life is more important than > any 'regimine'. my social and personal life has completely > deteriorated- first because of my illness (which is not solely > candida-related, i have other problems), then because of my > inability to share meals with others and need to concentrate energy > on my diet and adhere to a strict supplementation schedule. my > partner calls my vitamin box 'the life support system'! > in all fairness, my candida diet was stricter than most. i have > extensive food allergies, with new ones constantly developing. this > has resulted in a diet mostly composed of cruciferous vegetables, > homemade yogurt, and turkey. > i can't live like this anymore. i must be able to find joy in my > daily activities, and this is impossible if i am constantly > monitoring my food intake, keeping a diary of my symptoms and > popping pills and mixing drinks. i will never get better if i am > miserable and isolated. i'm 24 years old and i have become a shut- in. > i know some of you have mentioned the danger of developing an eating > disorder from the strict diet, and i can attest to that! i never > want to count carbs or fat grams or protein, ever again. whatever > happened to enjoyment? i am trying to eliminate the voice that tells > me that a perfectly good and healthy food is 'bad'. > so, now i have been colon and kidney cleansing for the past couple > of weeks and am preparing for my first liver cleanse. i will keep > posting here (less frequently though. i need to get out more.) i > hope that everyone is doing well and enjoying their life, and i'll > keep y'all updated. > aliqaesong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 Good luck honey. Godspeed. a reorientation hi everyone. i've been posting on here for about four months now, sometimes obsessively, so i figured that i should post now about some changes i've made in the past week. after 4 months on a strict candida diet and supplement protocol, i've decided to abandon most of it in favor of an approach that incorporates ayurvedic diet guidlines and a 'wise traditions' style of food preparation. i have reintroduced grains and honey, and am focusing more on the manner and timing of my food consumption, as well as other recommendations i learned of from reading s Moritz's books. i feel that the quality of my life is more important than any 'regimine'. my social and personal life has completely deteriorated- first because of my illness (which is not solely candida-related, i have other problems), then because of my inability to share meals with others and need to concentrate energy on my diet and adhere to a strict supplementation schedule. my partner calls my vitamin box 'the life support system'! in all fairness, my candida diet was stricter than most. i have extensive food allergies, with new ones constantly developing. this has resulted in a diet mostly composed of cruciferous vegetables, homemade yogurt, and turkey. i can't live like this anymore. i must be able to find joy in my daily activities, and this is impossible if i am constantly monitoring my food intake, keeping a diary of my symptoms and popping pills and mixing drinks. i will never get better if i am miserable and isolated. i'm 24 years old and i have become a shut-in. i know some of you have mentioned the danger of developing an eating disorder from the strict diet, and i can attest to that! i never want to count carbs or fat grams or protein, ever again. whatever happened to enjoyment? i am trying to eliminate the voice that tells me that a perfectly good and healthy food is 'bad'. so, now i have been colon and kidney cleansing for the past couple of weeks and am preparing for my first liver cleanse. i will keep posting here (less frequently though. i need to get out more.) i hope that everyone is doing well and enjoying their life, and i'll keep y'all updated. aliqaesong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 > i have reintroduced grains and honey, and am focusing > more on the manner and timing of my food consumption, as well as other > recommendations i learned of from reading s Moritz's books. Grains and honey are fermented together to make mead. Candida will love it, and timing isn;t important to them. Be advised. Whoever says that is good for a candida patient is a goof. Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2004 Report Share Posted February 14, 2004 No offensive Duncan, but I find some of your advice goofy too. People are smart enough to figure this out by themselves, without paying anyone for advice. g > > > > i have reintroduced grains and honey, and am focusing > > more on the manner and timing of my food consumption, as well as other > > recommendations i learned of from reading s Moritz's books. > > Grains and honey are fermented together to make mead. Candida will love > it, and timing isn;t important to them. Be advised. Whoever says that > is good for a candida patient is a goof. > > Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 > > No offensive Duncan, but I find some of your advice goofy too. > People are smart enough to figure this out by themselves, without > paying anyone for advice. > > g , I'll ignore the childish fun. All of my points are proven, science-backed. Big difference. If you don't agree with any of it, show me some disproof and I'll be happy to discuss the differences with you and show you how the science applies. Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Most modern medicine and treatments are " science backed " . funny though, they didn't do anything for me. I wonder why that is? g > > > > No offensive Duncan, but I find some of your advice goofy too. > > People are smart enough to figure this out by themselves, without > > paying anyone for advice. > > > > g > > , > > I'll ignore the childish fun. > > All of my points are proven, science-backed. Big difference. > > If you don't agree with any of it, show me some disproof and I'll be > happy to discuss the differences with you and show you how the science > applies. > > Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 I didn't get any better using modern science either. As a matter of fact some of the things made me even sicker. Maybe modern science doesn't have all the answers? Rick > > > > > > No offensive Duncan, but I find some of your advice goofy too. > > > People are smart enough to figure this out by themselves, without > > > paying anyone for advice. > > > > > > g > > > > , > > > > I'll ignore the childish fun. > > > > All of my points are proven, science-backed. Big difference. > > > > If you don't agree with any of it, show me some disproof and I'll > be > > happy to discuss the differences with you and show you how the > science > > applies. > > > > Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 And anyone can use so called scientific proof to back their pitch. > > > > > > > > No offensive Duncan, but I find some of your advice goofy too. > > > > People are smart enough to figure this out by themselves, > without > > > > paying anyone for advice. > > > > > > > > g > > > > > > , > > > > > > I'll ignore the childish fun. > > > > > > All of my points are proven, science-backed. Big difference. > > > > > > If you don't agree with any of it, show me some disproof and I'll > > be > > > happy to discuss the differences with you and show you how the > > science > > > applies. > > > > > > Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Duncan, I was wondering what you meant by “big difference”. What is the difference between – what you suggest and what s suggests ? Re: a reorientation Most modern medicine and treatments are " science backed " . funny though, they didn't do anything for me. I wonder why that is? g > > > > No offensive Duncan, but I find some of your advice goofy too. > > People are smart enough to figure this out by themselves, without > > paying anyone for advice. > > > > g > > , > > I'll ignore the childish fun. > > All of my points are proven, science-backed. Big difference. > > If you don't agree with any of it, show me some disproof and I'll be > happy to discuss the differences with you and show you how the science > applies. > > Duncan Crow Candidiasis stories: http://CureZone.com/forums/f.asp?f=41 http://CureZone.com/dis/ http://CureZone.com/diseases/parasites/ List Unsubscribe: candidiasis-unsubscribe Post message: candidiasis Group page: candidiasis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 > > Most modern medicine and treatments are " science backed " . funny > though, they didn't do anything for me. I wonder why that is? > > g Which ones did you try, ? And for what purpose? As a guess I'd point out that medication to kill candida does nothing to restore biological balance even in the bowel so it might work a little only as long as you're taking it, but will usually produce side effects. This is similar to arthritis drugs relieving inflammation, while accelerating damage to the joints. But then we know that most drugs are made to produce relief rather than reverse any disorder. What we have to do is address the other side of the question, that being, 'how did you get to that point, and what can we do to reverse the condition?' Medicine doesn't address the causative imbalance at all; that's why we use inulin, glutathione precursors, glyconutrients, growth hormone increasers, and do detox maneuvers. What doctors even believe in toxin load and removal? Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 > > I didn't get any better using modern science either. As a matter of fact > some of the things made me even sicker. > > Maybe modern science doesn't have all the answers? > I agree Rick, that it does not, but by attending to the absolute basics we are much further ahead than if we do not. Modern medicine knows little of these basics, so we have to go into the science on our own. But wholistic practitioners and other health professionals know that sometimes you have to FEEL worse for awhile to GET better. Are you sure you were sicker, or just experiencing the Herxheimer effect, known on this list as die-off? Also, if you don't address a couple of things at a time, you can experience bad effects because of the 'weak link' coming back to bite you. For example, inducing better phase I liver function must be matched with better phase II function or you can produce more toxic metabolites in phase I than your liver is ready to deal with in phase II. This causes awful side effects, while you were trying to detox and you think you should be feeling better. So my approach is to induce better phase II support rather than phase I function, especially when cleansing or killing infections. Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 I think you missed my point Duncan. > > > > Most modern medicine and treatments are " science backed " . funny > > though, they didn't do anything for me. I wonder why that is? > > > > g > > Which ones did you try, ? And for what purpose? > > As a guess I'd point out that medication to kill candida does nothing > to restore biological balance even in the bowel so it might work a > little only as long as you're taking it, but will usually produce side > effects. > > This is similar to arthritis drugs relieving inflammation, while > accelerating damage to the joints. But then we know that most drugs are > made to produce relief rather than reverse any disorder. > > What we have to do is address the other side of the question, that > being, 'how did you get to that point, and what can we do to reverse > the condition?' > > Medicine doesn't address the causative imbalance at all; that's why we > use inulin, glutathione precursors, glyconutrients, growth hormone > increasers, and do detox maneuvers. What doctors even believe in toxin > load and removal? > > Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 > I agree Rick, that it does not, but by attending to the absolute basics > we are much further ahead than if we do not. Modern medicine knows > little of these basics, so we have to go into the science on our own. > > But wholistic practitioners and other health professionals know that > sometimes you have to FEEL worse for awhile to GET better. Are you sure > you were sicker, or just experiencing the Herxheimer effect, known on > this list as die-off? I started getting real sick with this in 1990. I've seen many Naturopaths., and have experienced the Herxheimer effect several times. The syptoms I get from taking probiotics is different from the Herxheimer Effect. The probiotics make me sick. I've taken kefir, yogurt, raw milk, probiotics from a cow, human probiotics, etc. They all make me sick. Prior to doing the liver flushes, and cleaning my colon, nothing worked for me. Right now, I do a liver flush approximately every 3 weeks. I clean my colon using colemas, and colosan. I also drink 2 to 4 cups of Pau d Arco tea daily. I'm getting better, I can eat candy, and bread with no reaction. Before doing the flushes and cleanses, I couldn't even smell bread without getting sick. Have you looked at s Moritz's approach, and consider studying it first hand yourself as he has? Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 > Duncan, > > I was wondering what you meant by " big difference " . What is the > difference between - what you suggest and what s suggests ? > > , The little I've seen indicates to me that s takes a wholistic viewpoint as I do. In other words, we agree that killing the infection doesn't keep it away; you have to take steps to make yourself a poor host. Most of our methods are science backed. Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 after 4 months of no grains or other sugars, two months on diflucan, and the rest on rotating natural anti-fungals, as well as following the regimine that you recommend to the letter, i have had a considerable amount of improvement. at this point, i'm allergic to so many things that following the candida diet, as well as taking out all allergens, is impossible. i feel that the diet is just controlling some of the symptoms, not addressing the root cause. i also believe that i cannot get better if the quality of my life has become so greatly affected by my treatment regimine. since i cannot afford the lab testing, i don't know if my candida infection is gone or not. i'll trust my body to tell me. at this point, i believe candida to be just one of a host of symptoms i've exhibited. somethings got to give. i'll try another approach. i've got nothing to lose. aliqaesong > > > > i have reintroduced grains and honey, and am focusing > > more on the manner and timing of my food consumption, as well as other > > recommendations i learned of from reading s Moritz's books. > > Grains and honey are fermented together to make mead. Candida will love > it, and timing isn;t important to them. Be advised. Whoever says that > is good for a candida patient is a goof. > > Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 hi rick, thanks a lot for sharing your liver flush experience and advocating it. I will try one in the next couple of days. You mentioned that you perform a liver flush every 3 weeks. Since you are on the topic, I was wondering if you have noticed a difference in the quantity / size of the stones. Wishing you much good health. TIA, Sue. > > I agree Rick, that it does not, but by attending to the absolute > basics > > we are much further ahead than if we do not. Modern medicine knows > > little of these basics, so we have to go into the science on our > own. > > > > But wholistic practitioners and other health professionals know > that > > sometimes you have to FEEL worse for awhile to GET better. Are you > sure > > you were sicker, or just experiencing the Herxheimer effect, known > on > > this list as die-off? > > > I started getting real sick with this in 1990. I've seen many > Naturopaths., and have experienced the Herxheimer effect several > times. > > The syptoms I get from taking probiotics is different from the > Herxheimer Effect. The probiotics make me sick. I've taken kefir, > yogurt, raw milk, probiotics from a cow, human probiotics, etc. They > all make me sick. > > Prior to doing the liver flushes, and cleaning my colon, nothing > worked for me. > > Right now, I do a liver flush approximately every 3 weeks. I clean my > colon using colemas, and colosan. I also drink 2 to 4 cups of Pau d > Arco tea daily. > > I'm getting better, I can eat candy, and bread with no reaction. > Before doing the flushes and cleanses, I couldn't even smell bread > without getting sick. > > Have you looked at s Moritz's approach, and consider studying > it first hand yourself as he has? > > > Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 > Prior to doing the liver flushes, and cleaning my colon, nothing > worked for me. Hi Ron, There's a fella on another list though who has done about 140 liver flushes and he's still not well. > > Right now, I do a liver flush approximately every 3 weeks. I clean my > colon using colemas, and colosan. I also drink 2 to 4 cups of Pau d Arco > tea daily. > > I'm getting better, I can eat candy, and bread with no reaction. > Before doing the flushes and cleanses, I couldn't even smell bread > without getting sick. > > Have you looked at s Moritz's approach, and consider studying it > first hand yourself as he has? No, I don't study other doctors' approaches much, but am using an approach more like Dr. Kurt Donsbach's. That is, diet restriction, sometimes ozone therapy, and I also recommend a series of liver flushes to my clients, but I don't rely on those and kidney cleanses to restore bowel flora. The reason I take that as a separate consideration is that when we know we are deficient by some 9 to 12 grams of inulin at a minimum, I believe we should get that back into our diet so our bowel bacteria can be fed, recover their populations, and do their job. And because glutathione is low in disease, it's a valuable tool to getting ourselves well. I've been treating several people who didn't do that for 5 or 6 years, and a couple who's candida goes back about 12 years, with a degree of success. Too soon to tell, but they're showing progress after a few weeks. This reminds me of the clients on the SCD who do not improve for 2 or 3 years, but show marked improvement under my care in just several weeks. I'm getting similar results with crohn's patients. Also, Dr. Donsbach has fairly good results with stage 4 and 5 cancers using a similar approach. I think that's something to admire, and my two cancer patients are also improving on the same general program, with differences. Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Hi Sue and all considering the liver flush. I just wanted to mention there is a lot more to what Rick and G and I are doing relative to s Moritz protocol. The eating/sleeping patterns and what to eat are equally as important IMHO. And, s really stresses getting a colonic after your liver flush. I would recommend going to www.curezone.com and go to the s Moritz forum and read a bit. You will learn a lot just from that forum. Take you time. Now I have a good idea what went wrong with my body and how to fix it. I’m just worried that people may not see good results without doing these other things and give up. I did 3 Hulda flushes 2 years ago and gave up b/c I did not see improvement. Re: a reorientation hi rick, thanks a lot for sharing your liver flush experience and advocating it. I will try one in the next couple of days. You mentioned that you perform a liver flush every 3 weeks. Since you are on the topic, I was wondering if you have noticed a difference in the quantity / size of the stones. Wishing you much good health. TIA, Sue. > > I agree Rick, that it does not, but by attending to the absolute > basics > > we are much further ahead than if we do not. Modern medicine knows > > little of these basics, so we have to go into the science on our > own. > > > > But wholistic practitioners and other health professionals know > that > > sometimes you have to FEEL worse for awhile to GET better. Are you > sure > > you were sicker, or just experiencing the Herxheimer effect, known > on > > this list as die-off? > > > I started getting real sick with this in 1990. I've seen many > Naturopaths., and have experienced the Herxheimer effect several > times. > > The syptoms I get from taking probiotics is different from the > Herxheimer Effect. The probiotics make me sick. I've taken kefir, > yogurt, raw milk, probiotics from a cow, human probiotics, etc. They > all make me sick. > > Prior to doing the liver flushes, and cleaning my colon, nothing > worked for me. > > Right now, I do a liver flush approximately every 3 weeks. I clean my > colon using colemas, and colosan. I also drink 2 to 4 cups of Pau d > Arco tea daily. > > I'm getting better, I can eat candy, and bread with no reaction. > Before doing the flushes and cleanses, I couldn't even smell bread > without getting sick. > > Have you looked at s Moritz's approach, and consider studying > it first hand yourself as he has? > > > Rick Candidiasis stories: http://CureZone.com/forums/f.asp?f=41 http://CureZone.com/dis/ http://CureZone.com/diseases/parasites/ List Unsubscribe: candidiasis-unsubscribe Post message: candidiasis Group page: candidiasis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 HI, In 1999 I went from extremely sick, could not function, to feeling fantastic overnight, from changing my diet to low carb high protein (just veg and meat and eggs). But, as soon as I put something else back into my mouth, all the symptoms came back with a vengeance. I have tried to do the same thing about 3 times over the last few years and each time I either did not feel better or felt worse. So, it certainly was not the answer for me. Granted, I was not on the inulin, but if the diet worked at first and did not later, there is more going on than just candida. SO I think you are wise to think the diet is just controlling symptoms, I think that’s all it did for me and I was miserable eating all that meat. Focusing on the timing of food consumption helped me tremendously. Duncan – I understand what you are saying about timing not being important to candida, but I don’t think that is entirely correct. If I digest my food before the candida/bacterial overgrowth can , I don’t get symptoms, if I don’t then I do. I get symptom if I eat late at night or between meals. So, in my case timing does matter. It seems to be digestion that is the key for me, not the overgrowth per se. It seems like the overgrowth is there due to the poor digestion. Re: a reorientation after 4 months of no grains or other sugars, two months on diflucan, and the rest on rotating natural anti-fungals, as well as following the regimine that you recommend to the letter, i have had a considerable amount of improvement. at this point, i'm allergic to so many things that following the candida diet, as well as taking out all allergens, is impossible. i feel that the diet is just controlling some of the symptoms, not addressing the root cause. i also believe that i cannot get better if the quality of my life has become so greatly affected by my treatment regimine. since i cannot afford the lab testing, i don't know if my candida infection is gone or not. i'll trust my body to tell me. at this point, i believe candida to be just one of a host of symptoms i've exhibited. somethings got to give. i'll try another approach. i've got nothing to lose. aliqaesong > > > > i have reintroduced grains and honey, and am focusing > > more on the manner and timing of my food consumption, as well as other > > recommendations i learned of from reading s Moritz's books. > > Grains and honey are fermented together to make mead. Candida will love > it, and timing isn;t important to them. Be advised. Whoever says that > is good for a candida patient is a goof. > > Duncan Candidiasis stories: http://CureZone.com/forums/f.asp?f=41 http://CureZone.com/dis/ http://CureZone.com/diseases/parasites/ List Unsubscribe: candidiasis-unsubscribe Post message: candidiasis Group page: candidiasis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Duncan – which list has the man who has done 140 flushes and is still not well ? I would like to check that out. It is more than just flushing. There are also colonics to get the stones/toxicity out. Imagine would would happen if the colon was congested or the person was constipated. Also, changing lifestyle so new stones are not formed. I can’t imagine doing that many flushes. Re: Re: a reorientation > Prior to doing the liver flushes, and cleaning my colon, nothing > worked for me. Hi Ron, There's a fella on another list though who has done about 140 liver flushes and he's still not well. > > Right now, I do a liver flush approximately every 3 weeks. I clean my > colon using colemas, and colosan. I also drink 2 to 4 cups of Pau d Arco > tea daily. > > I'm getting better, I can eat candy, and bread with no reaction. > Before doing the flushes and cleanses, I couldn't even smell bread > without getting sick. > > Have you looked at s Moritz's approach, and consider studying it > first hand yourself as he has? No, I don't study other doctors' approaches much, but am using an approach more like Dr. Kurt Donsbach's. That is, diet restriction, sometimes ozone therapy, and I also recommend a series of liver flushes to my clients, but I don't rely on those and kidney cleanses to restore bowel flora. The reason I take that as a separate consideration is that when we know we are deficient by some 9 to 12 grams of inulin at a minimum, I believe we should get that back into our diet so our bowel bacteria can be fed, recover their populations, and do their job. And because glutathione is low in disease, it's a valuable tool to getting ourselves well. I've been treating several people who didn't do that for 5 or 6 years, and a couple who's candida goes back about 12 years, with a degree of success. Too soon to tell, but they're showing progress after a few weeks. This reminds me of the clients on the SCD who do not improve for 2 or 3 years, but show marked improvement under my care in just several weeks. I'm getting similar results with crohn's patients. Also, Dr. Donsbach has fairly good results with stage 4 and 5 cancers using a similar approach. I think that's something to admire, and my two cancer patients are also improving on the same general program, with differences. Duncan Crow Candidiasis stories: http://CureZone.com/forums/f.asp?f=41 http://CureZone.com/dis/ http://CureZone.com/diseases/parasites/ List Unsubscribe: candidiasis-unsubscribe Post message: candidiasis Group page: candidiasis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Hi Sue The stones vary in size from very tiny, to the size of a large pea, some being elongated to about three peas. The first and third flushes, I had no stones come out, only what's referred to as chaff. Which are said to be cholesterol crystals. My fifth flush around 3000 came out, and on the last two, 1400 and 1600 stones. I've done 9. The better my diet is, the better the flush. I'm taking a break of 4 weeks and doing a kidney cleanse right now. Even though I do them at the drop of a hat without preparing, I wouldn't suggest it. I've had problems with stones getting trapped in my colon. They're toxic and make you sick if they don't all come out. Rick > > > I agree Rick, that it does not, but by attending to the absolute > > basics > > > we are much further ahead than if we do not. Modern medicine knows > > > little of these basics, so we have to go into the science on our > > own. > > > > > > But wholistic practitioners and other health professionals know > > that > > > sometimes you have to FEEL worse for awhile to GET better. Are you > > sure > > > you were sicker, or just experiencing the Herxheimer effect, known > > on > > > this list as die-off? > > > > > > I started getting real sick with this in 1990. I've seen many > > Naturopaths., and have experienced the Herxheimer effect several > > times. > > > > The syptoms I get from taking probiotics is different from the > > Herxheimer Effect. The probiotics make me sick. I've taken kefir, > > yogurt, raw milk, probiotics from a cow, human probiotics, etc. They > > all make me sick. > > > > Prior to doing the liver flushes, and cleaning my colon, nothing > > worked for me. > > > > Right now, I do a liver flush approximately every 3 weeks. I clean my > > colon using colemas, and colosan. I also drink 2 to 4 cups of Pau d > > Arco tea daily. > > > > I'm getting better, I can eat candy, and bread with no reaction. > > Before doing the flushes and cleanses, I couldn't even smell bread > > without getting sick. > > > > Have you looked at s Moritz's approach, and consider studying > > it first hand yourself as he has? > > > > > > Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Hey - Thanks for reminding me of this. My posts are often only a small piece of even my own story. Its true, its not an overnight thing, you really have to focus and do some soul searching... and be patient. But the results do come. g > > > I agree Rick, that it does not, but by attending to the absolute > > basics > > > we are much further ahead than if we do not. Modern medicine knows > > > little of these basics, so we have to go into the science on our > > own. > > > > > > But wholistic practitioners and other health professionals know > > that > > > sometimes you have to FEEL worse for awhile to GET better. Are you > > sure > > > you were sicker, or just experiencing the Herxheimer effect, known > > on > > > this list as die-off? > > > > > > I started getting real sick with this in 1990. I've seen many > > Naturopaths., and have experienced the Herxheimer effect several > > times. > > > > The syptoms I get from taking probiotics is different from the > > Herxheimer Effect. The probiotics make me sick. I've taken kefir, > > yogurt, raw milk, probiotics from a cow, human probiotics, etc. They > > all make me sick. > > > > Prior to doing the liver flushes, and cleaning my colon, nothing > > worked for me. > > > > Right now, I do a liver flush approximately every 3 weeks. I clean my > > colon using colemas, and colosan. I also drink 2 to 4 cups of Pau d > > Arco tea daily. > > > > I'm getting better, I can eat candy, and bread with no reaction. > > Before doing the flushes and cleanses, I couldn't even smell bread > > without getting sick. > > > > Have you looked at s Moritz's approach, and consider studying > > it first hand yourself as he has? > > > > > > Rick > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Thanks for the advice . I found a colon hydrotherapist and have scheduled an appointment for a couple of days after the flush. I am a little nervous and do not know what to expect ... ! I am also trying to following the sleeping patterns and ayurvedic dosha balancing foods. I usually adopt change gradually. For some reason it takes time for me to embrace major change. I'm not sure why I have not checked out andreas' list before now. I've heard it mentioned many times on this list. I guess I did not question his advice when I read it in his book. After the great reviews people on this list have given his advice, I did not ask too many questions. I don't mean to sound desparate for a solution, but since I feel so out of touch with my body I welcomed andreas' certainty about how the body should work. Thanks for the advice. I'll linger on his list and see what challenges others are going through. How are you feeling? Hopefully well. take care, sue. > > > I agree Rick, that it does not, but by attending to the absolute > > basics > > > we are much further ahead than if we do not. Modern medicine knows > > > little of these basics, so we have to go into the science on our > > own. > > > > > > But wholistic practitioners and other health professionals know > > that > > > sometimes you have to FEEL worse for awhile to GET better. Are you > > sure > > > you were sicker, or just experiencing the Herxheimer effect, known > > on > > > this list as die-off? > > > > > > I started getting real sick with this in 1990. I've seen many > > Naturopaths., and have experienced the Herxheimer effect several > > times. > > > > The syptoms I get from taking probiotics is different from the > > Herxheimer Effect. The probiotics make me sick. I've taken kefir, > > yogurt, raw milk, probiotics from a cow, human probiotics, etc. They > > all make me sick. > > > > Prior to doing the liver flushes, and cleaning my colon, nothing > > worked for me. > > > > Right now, I do a liver flush approximately every 3 weeks. I clean my > > colon using colemas, and colosan. I also drink 2 to 4 cups of Pau d > > Arco tea daily. > > > > I'm getting better, I can eat candy, and bread with no reaction. > > Before doing the flushes and cleanses, I couldn't even smell bread > > without getting sick. > > > > Have you looked at s Moritz's approach, and consider studying > > it first hand yourself as he has? > > > > > > Rick > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 thanks for sharing rick. I hope you are stone free soon. good luck, sue. > > > > I agree Rick, that it does not, but by attending to the > absolute > > > basics > > > > we are much further ahead than if we do not. Modern medicine > knows > > > > little of these basics, so we have to go into the science on > our > > > own. > > > > > > > > But wholistic practitioners and other health professionals know > > > that > > > > sometimes you have to FEEL worse for awhile to GET better. Are > you > > > sure > > > > you were sicker, or just experiencing the Herxheimer effect, > known > > > on > > > > this list as die-off? > > > > > > > > > I started getting real sick with this in 1990. I've seen many > > > Naturopaths., and have experienced the Herxheimer effect several > > > times. > > > > > > The syptoms I get from taking probiotics is different from the > > > Herxheimer Effect. The probiotics make me sick. I've taken kefir, > > > yogurt, raw milk, probiotics from a cow, human probiotics, etc. > They > > > all make me sick. > > > > > > Prior to doing the liver flushes, and cleaning my colon, nothing > > > worked for me. > > > > > > Right now, I do a liver flush approximately every 3 weeks. I > clean my > > > colon using colemas, and colosan. I also drink 2 to 4 cups of Pau > d > > > Arco tea daily. > > > > > > I'm getting better, I can eat candy, and bread with no reaction. > > > Before doing the flushes and cleanses, I couldn't even smell > bread > > > without getting sick. > > > > > > Have you looked at s Moritz's approach, and consider > studying > > > it first hand yourself as he has? > > > > > > > > > Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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