Re: Re: Anyone else as strict as me?

[Guest guest]

Sorry but I am glad to hear you struggle too. But your cheating is what I

wouldn't even call cheating. I am feeling so guilty now about having eaten some

" real " chocolate and wine when your splurge is what sounds like the healthiest

chocolate bar I have ever heard of! Good for you I should follow your example!

deleaton <deleaton@...> wrote:

Yes, I am struggling! I want anything other than meat and veggies

too!! My gut will not let me. Just about every time I eat anything,

I bloat. I do cheat. I have a gluten,soy,dairy,corn,yeast free dark

chocolate bar that I will have 1 section of when I feel the need.

That helps a bit. I am very depressed just thinking about going

through the whole summer without fruit! I have been on the diet a

month.

Del

>

>

> I'm no wheat, dairy, sugar, caffeine, alcohol, fruit. I'm stricter

than

> the Yeast Connection diet. Don't seem to have a choice in the

matter.

> I'm new and wondering if I'm at the right place.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for your advice. I am following most of it. At the direction of a

naturopath, I am taking probiotics and Candicin and have been doing so for three

months with improvement in symptoms but they are all still lingering there.

Trying to find other answers, hence my joining this group.

frogsaladduckhat <frogsaladduckhat@...> wrote:

Deja vu, Del. I also keep a dark, organic chocolate bar that I snap

off little sections of during the day. it's wonderful to find people

as strict as myself. I also can't have the soy, although i stay away

from the corn because I have so many food allergies, I'm kind of

afraid of it.

Steph, it's definitely a struggle, especially at first, and, for me,

even seven years after systemic candida diagnosis. Sticking to the

diet has helped me the most, but I also take some supports. It may

help if you take probiotics (as many billions of living cells as

possible) and a good multivitamin, and get some good oils, such as

eating lots of fish or taking fish or flax oil. I take Nutrient 950.

All of the candida support I take was prescribed by a candida

specialist, so I totally recommend finding one, if you dont' get good

info from your current doc. My conventional doctors gave me the worst

possible advice. It got hopelessly bad. I ran across this list of

docs on another message board, but I either found my doctor through

the Yeast Connection book's list, or online by typing in my city,

which had been atlanta, and candida doctor or physician or something

like that:

www.armourthyroid.com

www.acam.org

www.naturopathic.org

www.aaem.com

www.lef.org/doctors/doctors.html

www.AlternativeMedicine.com

http://members.tripod.com/~altmedangel/1.html

> >

> >

> > I'm no wheat, dairy, sugar, caffeine, alcohol, fruit. I'm

stricter

> than

> > the Yeast Connection diet. Don't seem to have a choice in the

> matter.

> > I'm new and wondering if I'm at the right place.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It's well documented that for *many* people, just the

taste of something sweet can provoke an insulin

response. Kind of like pavlov's dog. Since insulin

is a hormone many of us who are trying to lose weight

want to keep in check, sweet foods need to be avoided,

whether they have carbs or not:

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/DOCKETS/dockets/02p0317/02P-0317_emc-000407.txt

" It usually comes without questioning that it's

carbohydrate- containing food absorbed into the

circulation that stimulate the pancreatic beta-cells

to secrete insulin. However, careful analysis of the

time course of insulin secretion during carbohydrate

ingestion has shown that insulin secretion can start

even before glucose is actually absorbed.

This so-called early insulin response is elicited by

stimulation not only of taste buds but also through

sight and smell of the food or even by meal

anticipation. Why any sweet taste, coming with any

artificial sweetener, raises glucose concentration in

the blood *before* the food has a chance to be

digested?

Because your body knows that eventually, it will have

all the carbs you've swallowed and it doesn't wait

until it that happens and borrows real carbohydrates

from its carbohydrate depots. When the sweet-tasted

food is real, the carbohydrates eventually do get into

the blood. And if they're not?

Being fooled, your body reacts rather vindictively: it

forces you to * want* more sweets plus next time, you

consume more calories with any food, including the

innocent protein food -- to convert it into glucose in

process of gluconeogenesis. So, you'd be better off

without artificial sweeteners "

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- frogsaladduckhat <frogsaladduckhat@...>

wrote:

>

>

>

> Stevia is a medicinal herb. It shouldn't provoke an

> insulin response.

> I am supersensitive to sugars, and I don't respond

> poorly to it,

> except that it helps the sweet cravings. You can

> grow it in your

> garden. Beware though, it is sweeter than sugar and

> you really have

> to use moderation with it.

>

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

Got Low Carb Inspiration? Find some here!

lowcarbinspiration/

My fitday journal and food log, to keep me honest:

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[Guest guest]

,

At first I eliminated dairy (cheese, cream) but I eat cheese everyday now

and have cream in decaf coffee. I make sugar free cheesecakes with splenda.

None of this affects me at all. I used to have a large insulin response to

sugar before the candida die off. I would feel intoxicated. But now even

real sugar does not affect me like that. However, I stay away from it

because splenda tastes as good and I still tend to put on extra pounds if I

eat diet Americana.

In Dr. Atkins' book there is a section on yeast infections. He only

scratches the surface though. He has written another book (I have not read)

about total health that might be more comprehensive.

I look around me and see people everywhere who look like they are dying. I

see what they eat and believe their diet is both poisoning them and starving

them at the same time. Add pharmaceuticals to the mix and the picture is

not pretty.

I do what I can for myself. I buy supplements, such as, the amino acid mix

mentioned, the sea nutrients Duncan recommended, and Ultimate Cleanse

from GNC. I can't buy these regularly because their expensive. I believe

they have helped a lot in my recovery but diet has been the greatest benefit

of all.

Pam

-- Re: Re: Anyone else as strict as me?

Thanks for your advice. I am following most of it. At the direction of a

naturopath, I am taking probiotics and Candicin and have been doing so for

three months with improvement in symptoms but they are all still lingering

there. Trying to find other answers, hence my joining this group.

frogsaladduckhat <frogsaladduckhat@...> wrote:

Deja vu, Del. I also keep a dark, organic chocolate bar that I snap

off little sections of during the day. it's wonderful to find people

as strict as myself. I also can't have the soy, although i stay away

from the corn because I have so many food allergies, I'm kind of

afraid of it.

Steph, it's definitely a struggle, especially at first, and, for me,

even seven years after systemic candida diagnosis. Sticking to the

diet has helped me the most, but I also take some supports. It may

help if you take probiotics (as many billions of living cells as

possible) and a good multivitamin, and get some good oils, such as

eating lots of fish or taking fish or flax oil. I take Nutrient 950.

All of the candida support I take was prescribed by a candida

specialist, so I totally recommend finding one, if you dont' get good

info from your current doc. My conventional doctors gave me the worst

possible advice. It got hopelessly bad. I ran across this list of

docs on another message board, but I either found my doctor through

the Yeast Connection book's list, or online by typing in my city,

which had been atlanta, and candida doctor or physician or something

like that:

www.armourthyroid.com

www.acam.org

www.naturopathic.org

www.aaem.com

www.lef.org/doctors/doctors.html

www.AlternativeMedicine.com

http://members.tripod.com/~altmedangel/1.html

> >

> >

> > I'm no wheat, dairy, sugar, caffeine, alcohol, fruit. I'm

stricter

> than

> > the Yeast Connection diet. Don't seem to have a choice in the

> matter.

> > I'm new and wondering if I'm at the right place.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Where is this well documented? The link you show there doesn't really relate to

the insulin response you're talking about. Sorry, if I sound too blunt but I'd

just like to read where you got this from to satisfy my curiousity.

Thanks

Sue

Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...> wrote:

It's well documented that for *many* people, just the

taste of something sweet can provoke an insulin

response. Kind of like pavlov's dog. Since insulin

is a hormone many of us who are trying to lose weight

want to keep in check, sweet foods need to be avoided,

whether they have carbs or not:

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/DOCKETS/dockets/02p0317/02P-0317_emc-000407.txt

" It usually comes without questioning that it's

carbohydrate- containing food absorbed into the

circulation that stimulate the pancreatic beta-cells

to secrete insulin. However, careful analysis of the

time course of insulin secretion during carbohydrate

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[Guest guest]

Do a net search for " cephalic phase response " ,

although I did provide a link to the page I quoted

from. I know how you feel, you don't want to believe

this information because giving up artificial

sweeteners, even stevia (the best of them) is hard!

I didn't come to the decision to get rid of artificial

sweeteners lightly. At the very least, stevia and all

other artificial sweeteners can cause cravings for

more sugar, and at worst can provoke insulin and cause

weight gain, along with all the other things that go

along with raising insulin levels.

In any case, I grabbed a few web pages off the net for

you to look at:

" Cephalic phase: is the taste, smell, sight, hear or

thought of any food triggers the cephalic phase.And

the cephalic phase is heightened by hunger. 30 - 50%

of all gastric secretions occur during the cephalic

phase. "

" When sweet taste stimulates the tongue, the brain

reacts to sweet taste - known

as " cephalic phase response " . Insulin levels rise in

the blood to prepare for acceptance of new

energy --sugar-- from outside.

However, if the sweet taste is not followed by real

nutrient availability appetite is enhanced, especially

for carbohydrate foods.

Additionally, sweet taste without calories still

causes a rise in blood insulin levels - for up to 90

minutes following consumption of the beverage or food.

The extraordinary research on insulin resistance and

diabetes by Gerald Reaven M.D., PhD at Stanford

identified the water retaining nature of insulin. He

noted that when insulin levels in the blood remain

high, the kidneys treat the insulin as it would sodium

and causes the body TO RETAIN WATER.

"

http://www.student.city.ac.uk/~sb397/condeat.htm

http://bestlowcarbs.com/article1082.html

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0922/is_5_50/ai_80392764

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- Sue <suzt77@...> wrote:

>

> Where is this well documented? The link you show

> there doesn't really relate to the insulin response

> you're talking about. Sorry, if I sound too blunt

> but I'd just like to read where you got this from to

> satisfy my curiousity.

>

> Thanks

>

> Sue

>

>

>

> Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...> wrote:

> It's well documented that for *many* people, just

> the

> taste of something sweet can provoke an insulin

> response. Kind of like pavlov's dog. Since insulin

> is a hormone many of us who are trying to lose

> weight

> want to keep in check, sweet foods need to be

> avoided,

> whether they have carbs or not:

>

>

>

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/DOCKETS/dockets/02p0317/02P-0317_emc-000407.txt

>

> " It usually comes without questioning that it's

> carbohydrate- containing food absorbed into the

> circulation that stimulate the pancreatic beta-cells

> to secrete insulin. However, careful analysis of the

> time course of insulin secretion during carbohydrate

>

>

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

Got Low Carb Inspiration? Find some here!

lowcarbinspiration/

My fitday journal and food log, to keep me honest:

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=debbypadilla

[Guest guest]

Do you have any idea what's in Splenda? Please do a web search and find out.

[Guest guest]

Hey Debby;

Thanks for the info. I gave up all sweetners, sugar etc over a year ago. Not to

say that I don't occaisionally have the odd diet ginger ale but I never really

felt all that addicted to sugar. I was a salt aholic rather than a sugar lover.

Anywho, thanks for the extra reading. I was quite curious about this as the

hubby is a type 1 diabetic and I thought it'd be a good read for me.

Cheers

Sue

Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...> wrote:

Do a net search for " cephalic phase response " ,

although I did provide a link to the page I quoted

from. I know how you feel, you don't want to believe

this information because giving up artificial

sweeteners, even stevia (the best of them) is hard!

I didn't come to the decision to get rid of artificial

sweeteners lightly. At the very least, stevia and all

other artificial sweeteners can cause cravings for

more sugar, and at worst can provoke insulin and cause

weight gain, along with all the other things that go

along with raising insulin levels.

In any case, I grabbed a few web pages off the net for

you to look at:

" Cephalic phase: is the taste, smell, sight, hear or

thought of any food triggers the cephalic phase.And

the cephalic phase is heightened by hunger. 30 - 50%

of all gastric secretions occur during the cephalic

phase. "

" When sweet taste stimulates the tongue, the brain

reacts to sweet taste - known

as " cephalic phase response " . Insulin levels rise in

the blood to prepare for acceptance of new

energy --sugar-- from outside.

However, if the sweet taste is not followed by real

nutrient availability appetite is enhanced, especially

for carbohydrate foods.

Additionally, sweet taste without calories still

causes a rise in blood insulin levels - for up to 90

minutes following consumption of the beverage or food.

The extraordinary research on insulin resistance and

diabetes by Gerald Reaven M.D., PhD at Stanford

identified the water retaining nature of insulin. He

noted that when insulin levels in the blood remain

high, the kidneys treat the insulin as it would sodium

and causes the body TO RETAIN WATER.

"

http://www.student.city.ac.uk/~sb397/condeat.htm

http://bestlowcarbs.com/article1082.html

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0922/is_5_50/ai_80392764

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- Sue <suzt77@...> wrote:

>

> Where is this well documented? The link you show

> there doesn't really relate to the insulin response

> you're talking about. Sorry, if I sound too blunt

> but I'd just like to read where you got this from to

> satisfy my curiousity.

>

> Thanks

>

> Sue

>

>

>

> Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...> wrote:

> It's well documented that for *many* people, just

> the

> taste of something sweet can provoke an insulin

> response. Kind of like pavlov's dog. Since insulin

> is a hormone many of us who are trying to lose

> weight

> want to keep in check, sweet foods need to be

> avoided,

> whether they have carbs or not:

>

>

>

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/DOCKETS/dockets/02p0317/02P-0317_emc-000407.txt

>

> " It usually comes without questioning that it's

> carbohydrate- containing food absorbed into the

> circulation that stimulate the pancreatic beta-cells

> to secrete insulin. However, careful analysis of the

> time course of insulin secretion during carbohydrate

>

>

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

Got Low Carb Inspiration? Find some here!

lowcarbinspiration/

My fitday journal and food log, to keep me honest:

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=debbypadilla

[Guest guest]

Glad it helped Sue.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- Sue <suzt77@...> wrote:

>

> Hey Debby;

>

> Thanks for the info. I gave up all sweetners, sugar

> etc over a year ago. Not to say that I don't

> occaisionally have the odd diet ginger ale but I

> never really felt all that addicted to sugar. I was

> a salt aholic rather than a sugar lover.

>

> Anywho, thanks for the extra reading. I was quite

> curious about this as the hubby is a type 1 diabetic

> and I thought it'd be a good read for me.

>

> Cheers

>

> Sue

>

> Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...> wrote:

> Do a net search for " cephalic phase response " ,

> although I did provide a link to the page I quoted

> from. I know how you feel, you don't want to

> believe

> this information because giving up artificial

> sweeteners, even stevia (the best of them) is hard!

>

>

> I didn't come to the decision to get rid of

> artificial

> sweeteners lightly. At the very least, stevia and

> all

> other artificial sweeteners can cause cravings for

> more sugar, and at worst can provoke insulin and

> cause

> weight gain, along with all the other things that go

> along with raising insulin levels.

>

> In any case, I grabbed a few web pages off the net

> for

> you to look at:

>

> " Cephalic phase: is the taste, smell, sight, hear or

> thought of any food triggers the cephalic phase.And

> the cephalic phase is heightened by hunger. 30 - 50%

> of all gastric secretions occur during the cephalic

> phase. "

>

> " When sweet taste stimulates the tongue, the brain

> reacts to sweet taste - known

> as " cephalic phase response " . Insulin levels rise in

> the blood to prepare for acceptance of new

> energy --sugar-- from outside.

>

> However, if the sweet taste is not followed by real

> nutrient availability appetite is enhanced,

> especially

> for carbohydrate foods.

>

> Additionally, sweet taste without calories still

> causes a rise in blood insulin levels - for up to 90

> minutes following consumption of the beverage or

> food.

> The extraordinary research on insulin resistance and

> diabetes by Gerald Reaven M.D., PhD at Stanford

> identified the water retaining nature of insulin. He

> noted that when insulin levels in the blood remain

> high, the kidneys treat the insulin as it would

> sodium

> and causes the body TO RETAIN WATER.

> "

>

> http://www.student.city.ac.uk/~sb397/condeat.htm

> http://bestlowcarbs.com/article1082.html

>

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0922/is_5_50/ai_80392764

>

> Luv,

> Debby

> San , CA

>

>

> --- Sue <suzt77@...> wrote:

> >

> > Where is this well documented? The link you show

> > there doesn't really relate to the insulin

> response

> > you're talking about. Sorry, if I sound too blunt

> > but I'd just like to read where you got this from

> to

> > satisfy my curiousity.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Sue

> >

> >

> >

> > Debby Padilla-Hudson <debbypadilla@...>

> wrote:

> > It's well documented that for *many* people, just

> > the

> > taste of something sweet can provoke an insulin

> > response. Kind of like pavlov's dog. Since

> insulin

> > is a hormone many of us who are trying to lose

> > weight

> > want to keep in check, sweet foods need to be

> > avoided,

> > whether they have carbs or not:

> >

> >

> >

>

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/DOCKETS/dockets/02p0317/02P-0317_emc-000407.txt

> >

> > " It usually comes without questioning that it's

> > carbohydrate- containing food absorbed into the

> > circulation that stimulate the pancreatic

> beta-cells

> > to secrete insulin. However, careful analysis of

> the

> > time course of insulin secretion during

> carbohydrate

> >

> >

>

> Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

> http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

>

> Got Low Carb Inspiration? Find some here!

>

lowcarbinspiration/

>

> My fitday journal and food log, to keep me honest:

>

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=debbypadilla

>

>

>