Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message because I wanted to ensure the subject line was corrected. Bee > Robin wrote: Hi Bee, What is your recommended level of fiber for >people? I wasmade to understand that while bad bacteria and Candida >thrive on sugars and starches and things moving through the colon >slowly, goodbacteria thrive on fiber and and things moving through >the colon quickly.. The term " dietary fibre " describes a group of complex carbohydrates, usually plant-derived, that resist digestion by mammalian enzymes. Common sources of dietary fibre include the plant cell walls of vegetables, fruits and cereals and the outer protective layer of seeds. Dietary fibre is a diverse group of substances, which includes cellulose and other complex carbohydrates. The main factor to note here is " dietary fibre " " resist digestion by mammalian enzymes. " It does not make sense to me that foods which resist digestion are a good thing. Maybe these foods are only good for herbivores like cows who have 5 stomachs to totally break down these foods? I'll provide more information on fibre and bowel transit time further down in this message. Candida does thrive on sugars and starches, but does it thrive on " things moving through the colon slowly? " What " things? " Candida does not feed off of protein or fat so even if proteins or fats were moving slowly candida would not feed off of them. I don't know where the idea came from that " good bacteria thrive on fiber? " That doesn't make sense either. If that were true the Eskimos and other peoples who only eat protein and fats would not have any " good bacteria " in their guts. I question the idea that it is healthier to make food move quickly through the digestive system. Why? The body needs times to absorb important nutrients. This assumption would mean that it takes " too much time " for proteins and fats to move through the digestive system, and that somehow causes problems. I don't believe that is true. I went on a total high protein and high fat diet for a few weeks and did not find transit time was increased. I also did not find a lack of bulky stools. When I've consumed higher amounts of grains and raw vegetables high in fibre I found they had a tendency to irritate and upset my bowels. But when I was on a total protein and fat diet my stomach and bowels were fine - no gas, no bloating, no cramps, etc., and no abnormal stools. This led me to believe that the whole idea of eating plent of fibre to increase bowel transit time was totally false, probably perpetrated by the food industry. It didn't make sense that foods which " resist digestion by mammalian enzymes " would take less time than proteins or fats which do not resist digestion. I tried to find out exactly how long it takes to digest meats and fats as opposed to fibres, but I couldn't find anything specific. All I could find were normal digestive times: 1) 2-4 hours in the stomach, 2) 5-6 hours in the small intestine, and 3) 12-24 hours in the large colon = total time about 20 - 30 hours. Most people have regular stools once a day, so this makes sense. I don't think that if I ate a large salad first and then had meat and fats that the bowel would move faster for the salad and slower for the meats and fats. That wouldn't be physically possible anyway. Following are some excerpts from an article by Barry Groves called " CLIMB DOWN FROM THE BRAN WAGON " at: http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/bran_and_cancer.html I will be posting the entire article in the files as well. " The claims made for fibre are based on its rapid transit through the gut and, because of this property, bran has been a popular way to manage irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) for since the early 1970s. So, is it effective? The answer appears to be no. A number of placebo controlled studies of bran in IBS have not shown any convincing effect of the fibre on overall symptom patterns. Results of a study from St Bartholomew's Hospital in London, showed clearly that fifty-five percent were made worse compared to only ten percent made better. (7) All symptoms of IBS were exacerbated (made worse) by wheat bran, with bowel disturbance most often adversely affected, followed by distension and pain. The authors conclude: 'The results of this study suggest that the use of bran in IBS should be reconsidered. The study also raises the possibility that excessive consumption of bran in the community may actually be creating patients with IBS by exacerbating mild, non- complaining cases.' Some patients found that the added bran in their food induced or exacerbated uncomfortable symptoms of flatulence, distension and abdominal pain. In these cases, reduction in the amount of bran eaten was recommended. The late Yudkin, Professor Emeritus of Nutrition and Dietetics at London University, pointed out that 'perhaps one reason for the wide acceptance of the suggestion that fibre is an important, if not essential, dietary component is that it had the enthusiastic support of commercial interests.' He was writing in particular about the high- bran products, All Bran and Branslim. (5) It had been shown in the mid-1980s that dietary fibre increased the risk of colon cancers. (10) In 1990 The British Nutrition Foundation admitted that the hypotheses that IBS, diverticulosis and colo-rectal cancer are caused by a deficiency of fibre had not been substantiated, neither have those that fibre might protect against diabetes, obesity and CHD. (11) The Seventh King's Fund Forum on Cancer of The Colon and Rectum agreed: 'The Forum commented that cereal fibre does not offer protection against cancer'. (12) Dr M Inoue, et al published in 1995 an investigation of cancers at several colorectal subsites: ascending, transverse, descending, sigmoid, and rectum, within a Japanese hospital environment. They concluded that loose or soft faeces are a significant risk factor for cancer at these sites. (13) And bran loosens and softens faeces - that's why it is recommended. The following year Drs HS Wasan and RA Goodlad of the Imperial Cancer Research Fund showed that bran can increase the risk of colorectal cancers. (14) 'Many carbohydrates', they say, 'can stimulate epithelial-cell proliferation throughout the gastrointestinal tract. They conclude: 'Until individual constituents of fibre have been shown to have, at the very least, a non-detrimental effect in prospective human trials, we urge that restraint should be shown in adding fibre supplements to foods, and that unsubstantiated health claims be restricted. . . . Specific dietary fibre supplements, embraced as nutriceuticals or functional foods, are an unknown and potentially damaging way to influence modern dietary habits of the general population.' This study spawned several critical letters. It comes as no surprise that half were from people connected with the breakfast cereal industry. (15) " Other adverse effects from fibre: Tests into the supposed benefits of increasing dietary intake of fibre soon showed that there could be other harmful side-effects: •Because it is indigestible, bran ferments in the gut and can induce or exacerbate flatulence, distension and abdominal pain. (19) •Although it is supposed to travel through the gut at a faster rate, it does not always do so and it has been shown to cause blockages. (20) •All the nutrients in food are absorbed through the gut wall and this takes time. It should be obvious, therefore, that if the food travels through faster, less will be absorbed. And, indeed, this is the case. Fibre is found to inhibit the absorption of zinc, (21) iron, calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, energy, proteins, fats and vitamins A, D, E and K. (22) •Phytate associated with cereal fibre (bran) also binds with calcium, iron, (23) and zinc, (24) causing malabsorption. For example, subjects absorbed more iron from white bread than from wholemeal bread even though their intakes of iron were fifty percent higher with the wholemeal bread. (25) Also, while white bread must have added calcium, the law does not require it of wholemeal bread. •Bran fibre has also been shown to cause faecal losses, (26) and negative balances of calcium, (27) iron, zinc, phosphorus, (28) nitrogen, fats, fatty acids and sterols thus depleting the body of these materials. (29) (A negative balance is where more is lost from the body than is absorbed, i.e. the body's stores are depleted.) The findings, particularly in sub-paragraphs c. to e. above are a cause for concern in several sections of the population who are at considerable risk from eating too much fibre - and bran fibre in particular: •Post-menopausal women stand a 1 in 2 chance of suffering from osteoporosis (brittle bone disease) and 1 in 5 of them will die as a direct result. (30) That is twice as many as many fractures as there were in the 1950s. (31) Osteoporosis is caused by a number of things, but it is basically a calcium deficiency which is at the heart of the disease. Very few surveys have concentrated on intake of any nutrient other than calcium and more research is needed on this subject. However, as the eating of bran both inhibits the absorption of calcium from food and depletes the body of the calcium it has, is it coincidence that the incidence of osteoporosis has increased by about ten percent a year for the past two decades? In England alone, a fifth of all orthopaedic beds are now occupied by patients with broken hips and the direct hospital costs alone amounted to more than £160,000,000 a year over a decade ago. (32) That figure did not include other breakages, personal costs and, of course, the pain and hardship brought on by the disease. Broken bones also require zinc for their repair, and zinc is another mineral whose absorption is adversely affected by cereal fibre. •Calcium also plays an important role in the processes that keep normal body cells normal. Imbalances in these processes can have such adverse consequences as acute disruption leading to rapid cell death, and start other processes which lead to the deregulation we call cancer. Recent studies have shown that increases in dietary calcium may protect against cancer of the colon. (33) From this must follow that if calcium is not available because of the amount of bran in the diet, the risk of such cancer may be enhanced. •Patients with Alzheimer's disease (senile dementia) have been found to have abnormal amounts of aluminium in their brains. Tests on the people of Guam and parts of New Guinea and Japan, who get the disease at a much younger age, have linked it too with a lack of calcium. It is suggested that the lack of calcium causes a hormonal imbalance which allows the aluminium to penetrate the brain. (34) •Infants can suffer a similar brain damage if fed soya based baby milk. (35) Soya based milk has a high phytate content which, as we have seen, inhibits the absorption of some minerals. (36) It is believed that a zinc deficiency so caused enhances the uptake and deposition of aluminium in the milk. •Depression, anorexia, (37) low birth weight, (38) slow growth, (39) mental retardation, (40) and amenorrhoea are also associated with deficiencies of zinc and the first five of these are also associated with a deficiency of iron (see sub-paragraph g. below). •Vitamin deficiency diseases such as rickets are also increasing. Such diseases are common in communities where a nutrient poor, fibre rich diet is consumed, and rickets was so common in this country early in the century, that it was called the 'English disease'. All such diseases in this country should have been relegated to the past but now they are on the increase again. (41) Studies of UK Asians, in which the incidence of rickets is high, cite as the cause the Asians' low-calcium, high-cereal diet. (42) •If there is a large intake of 'anti-nutrients' such as phytate, dietary fibre and tannins, which impair the absorption of iron, (43) and a low intake of flesh foods (another result of the diet-heart recommendations), there is a real risk of iron deficiency anaemia. And sub-optimal iron nutriture is already found in UK, USA, Canada and South Africa. (44) •Lastly, there is an apparent relation between dietary fibre and reproductive function in the female. It affects the onset of menstruation and retards uterine growth. (45) Later it is associated with menstrual dysfunction. (46) The best in health, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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