Guest guest Posted January 14, 2001 Report Share Posted January 14, 2001 Hi , I don't know where to start and feel nervous posting. I got my implants about 2 and half years ago. After having my children by breasts were deformed looking. If my plastic surgeon really cared , I feel he would have explained Mastopexy options instead of promoting the saline implants. But I already know the doctors dont care now. Well, I don't have the money to get them out . Where do I go and what do I do? Its at least $5-6,000 for an explant. To get a mastopexy with it will be around the 10,000 mark. I have been so depressed and its getting worse as the months go by. I go to my gynocologist on the 26th this month. There is an area under my armpit on the outer/upper portion of one breast that gets swollen and tender each month, when I have PMS.. Like its displaced breast tissue that is reacting to my hormonal changes or something. Anyway , I am worried. tired and my heart is sick. miserable and my poor family suffers because of my state of mind. All the information here is wonderful , at the same time, painful. I already know they're bad, I already know I want them out. I read all the medical reports and die inside because I dont have the money to get them out . So I sit here and have increased anxiety . Part of me wishes all those reports and forwards were separate from the " support " area. I need support , not to be scared everytime I read an email . I already know the bad and reading more of the bad just increased my depression and fear. I hope that makes sense. Maybe after I can get these explanted I will be okay reading all the reports , until then .. I can't take it. Roma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2001 Report Share Posted January 14, 2001 Hi Roma, First of all, let me say welcome and that I can completely identify with all of the things you are writing--the pain, the depression and the whole nightmare of this experience, especially where the family and children are concerned. None of this is fair. I am also so very sorry that you are finding it not supportive enough...I know how frightening it is to read all of the information that is posted, when it points to the things implants can do, are doing to women, and that there just aren't that many answers.....that was the very BIGGEST disappointment I had when I found the implant support groups. At first I was like, YEAH!!!! Others have been through this, and they can help me! I am going to get better and they are going to tell me how!!!! And then I found out that nobody knew how to get better, only had suggestions, and the most important one was to get the implants out. There was all this suffering and confusion, and the doctors were not helping. The women seemed to be like survivors of a shipwreck, tossed about in a tiny little boat in a big churning sea, lost, but paddling for all their worth to find some kind of island of salvation. Some were lost, and they died--but there is a mighty group of women out there who are not giving up and we are not giving in to the lies that are being spread. I do hope to be more supportive to you, and the best thing I can think to do is to tell you that after 3 years, I am finally feeling almost 100% back to normal. In my own search, I sought and found women who were getting better, and tried to maintain some contact, so I could have hope. Many times, I found that they were getting better, only to fall back into worse symptoms for a time. That happened to me. It is like two steps forward, one step back, sometimes one step forward, three steps back, and it just goes on.....the hardest part of the whole healing process is to be patient and hopeful. Never give up hope that you are going to get better with the therapies you are using--(!......) You have to be willing to try new ones, and to give your body a chance to return to its normal state by not screwing with it too much. That means getting rid of all the junk, the processed foods, chemicals in cosmetics, the pesticides and crap that you are exposed to, and seeking a more natural way of life. Getting back to raw foods, fruits and veggies, and paying attention to what allergies might have developed. (For me it was chocolate, corn and Brewer's yeast). Depression is an awful thing, but I went through it for a very long time. I was suicidal. I thought it would be much better to be dead than to live the way I was. But I kept my faith (I knew God didn't want me dead yet, or He would have taken me), and you know what? The depression just went away. As I healed, and ate good foods, and cleared my body with fasting and detoxing, the depression left and did not come back. In my own mind, I believe that depression is a chemical imbalance, and you betcha that implants and drugs and surgery cause a chemical imbalance! I think the depression is very definitely also from our dissatisfaction from our figures, after all the hoopla about how wonderful implants are and how they change our life, and we don't want to go back to the way we were. I did go through that. But I cannot explain why that all went away the way it did, because it seemed like one day, the black clouds just lifted, and I was not depressed any more. I am still dissatisfied with my breasts, to be sure, but I don't focus on them anymore. I focus on the inside of me. I have found a way to deal with my figure that leaves me unconcerned about it anymore--I wear the clothes that I want and have confidence in myself. (OK, swimsuits are still unchartered territory.) I hope that this little bit of sharing from me will help. I wish I had time to write more right now, but I am on my way to church....I will keep sharing my feelings. One thing I wanted to share....I have been feeling great! I mean absolutely back to normal, 100% A-OK Patty! Then, yesterday, one of my girlfriends and I decided to meet for breakfast, and she picked Starbucks....ohhh, I decided to give in and try a little fancy cup of coffee and donut. Well, that was a mistake, and I guess I kind of wanted to see what it would do to me, and I am regretting it now. I was spacey all yesterday, and this morning I have a horrible headache, and feel a little burning in the urethra area. I learned a valuable lesson. If you are feeling good, DON'T CHEAT! Today I will be fasting again. Everyone, take care, Love, Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: RMA <rommie31@...> < egroups> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 7:23 AM Subject: new member. Where do I start? > Hi , > > I don't know where to start and feel nervous posting. I got my > implants about 2 and half years ago. After having my children by > breasts were deformed looking. If my plastic surgeon really cared , > I feel he would have explained Mastopexy options instead of promoting > the saline implants. But I already know the doctors dont care now. > > Well, I don't have the money to get them out . Where do I go and what > do I do? Its at least $5-6,000 for an explant. To get a mastopexy > with it will be around the 10,000 mark. I have been so depressed and > its getting worse as the months go by. > > I go to my gynocologist on the 26th this month. There is an area > under my armpit on the outer/upper portion of one breast that gets > swollen and tender each month, when I have PMS.. Like its displaced > breast tissue that is reacting to my hormonal changes or something. > Anyway , I am worried. tired and my heart is sick. miserable and my > poor family suffers because of my state of mind. > > All the information here is wonderful , at the same time, painful. I > already know they're bad, I already know I want them out. I read all > the medical reports and die inside because I dont have the money to > get them out . So I sit here and have increased anxiety . Part of me > wishes all those reports and forwards were separate from > the " support " area. I need support , not to be scared everytime I > read an email . I already know the bad and reading more of the bad > just increased my depression and fear. I hope that makes sense. > Maybe after I can get these explanted I will be okay reading all the > reports , until then .. I can't take it. > Roma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2001 Report Share Posted January 14, 2001 Hi Roma, I can totally relate to all the things you mentioned. Feeling your breasts are deformed, getting implants because of that, thats what happened with me too. I felt I had no other chioce, my breasts were so awful and ugly and saggy and I felt really bad about it, I was only 34 years old, I couldn't even enjoy sex anymore without feeling ugly and self consious. Implants were the only solution. Then when I started getting sick, I didn't want to believe it could be the implants, I wanted to listen to these Dr's telling me it was anything but the implants, but when they couldn't find anything wrong with me I began to feel like I had no other choice and had to get them out. I too hated all the posts that weren't support but rather more depressing information that just upset me. I wanted to hear that people had gotten better, but I never really found too many either. I made up my mind that I had to try to get better and at least then I would know I had done all I could, so I borrowed the money from my parents and just decided to get them out. Well, I am only 5 weeks post op and I still have all my symptoms, but I just don't think they are going to go away overnight. I can see some things are a little better, but I am so depressed over the way I feel about myself now, and that is hard to live with too. I am hoping when my scars fade and once my health improves I will overcome these feelings. For now I am really trying hard to just hang in there.I wish I could say it is an easy road, but there is no easy choice here, you can try to live with the implants as I did for a year and a half, or you can choose to try to regain your health as I have. Money is a big issue, but if you have family or credit cards or something you can use these options, that is what I finally did. It is very expensive to get these things taken out, and the cost to us emotionally is far bigger than anything else. I wish I had never gone throught this, but I have to believe there is a reason for everything that happens and that I will get better. Yes, I miss my implants. I won't lie, but they were killing me, and my health is much more important than my breasts. hang in there and keep us informed of how your doing. In egroups, " Patty " <faussettdp@m...> wrote: > Hi Roma, > First of all, let me say welcome and that I can completely identify with all > of the things you are writing--the pain, the depression and the whole > nightmare of this experience, especially where the family and children are > concerned. None of this is fair. > > I am also so very sorry that you are finding it not supportive enough...I > know how frightening it is to read all of the information that is posted, > when it points to the things implants can do, are doing to women, and that > there just aren't that many answers.....that was the very BIGGEST > disappointment I had when I found the implant support groups. > > At first I was like, YEAH!!!! Others have been through this, and they can > help me! I am going to get better and they are going to tell me how!!!! > And then I found out that nobody knew how to get better, only had > suggestions, and the most important one was to get the implants out. There > was all this suffering and confusion, and the doctors were not helping. > The women seemed to be like survivors of a shipwreck, tossed about in a tiny > little boat in a big churning sea, lost, but paddling for all their worth to > find some kind of island of salvation. Some were lost, and they died--but > there is a mighty group of women out there who are not giving up and we are > not giving in to the lies that are being spread. > > I do hope to be more supportive to you, and the best thing I can think to do > is to tell you that after 3 years, I am finally feeling almost 100% back to > normal. In my own search, I sought and found women who were getting better, > and tried to maintain some contact, so I could have hope. Many times, I > found that they were getting better, only to fall back into worse symptoms > for a time. That happened to me. It is like two steps forward, one step > back, sometimes one step forward, three steps back, and it just goes > on.....the hardest part of the whole healing process is to be patient and > hopeful. Never give up hope that you are going to get better with the > therapies you are using--(!......) > > You have to be willing to try new ones, and to give your body a chance to > return to its normal state by not screwing with it too much. That means > getting rid of all the junk, the processed foods, chemicals in cosmetics, > the pesticides and crap that you are exposed to, and seeking a more natural > way of life. Getting back to raw foods, fruits and veggies, and paying > attention to what allergies might have developed. (For me it was chocolate, > corn and Brewer's yeast). > > Depression is an awful thing, but I went through it for a very long time. I > was suicidal. I thought it would be much better to be dead than to live the > way I was. But I kept my faith (I knew God didn't want me dead yet, or He > would have taken me), and you know what? The depression just went away. As > I healed, and ate good foods, and cleared my body with fasting and detoxing, > the depression left and did not come back. In my own mind, I believe that > depression is a chemical imbalance, and you betcha that implants and drugs > and surgery cause a chemical imbalance! I think the depression is very > definitely also from our dissatisfaction from our figures, after all the > hoopla about how wonderful implants are and how they change our life, and we > don't want to go back to the way we were. I did go through that. But I > cannot explain why that all went away the way it did, because it seemed like > one day, the black clouds just lifted, and I was not depressed any more. > > I am still dissatisfied with my breasts, to be sure, but I don't focus on > them anymore. I focus on the inside of me. I have found a way to deal with > my figure that leaves me unconcerned about it anymore--I wear the clothes > that I want and have confidence in myself. (OK, swimsuits are still > unchartered territory.) > > I hope that this little bit of sharing from me will help. I wish I had time > to write more right now, but I am on my way to church....I will keep sharing > my feelings. > > One thing I wanted to share....I have been feeling great! I mean absolutely > back to normal, 100% A-OK Patty! Then, yesterday, one of my girlfriends and > I decided to meet for breakfast, and she picked Starbucks....ohhh, I decided > to give in and try a little fancy cup of coffee and donut. Well, that was a > mistake, and I guess I kind of wanted to see what it would do to me, and I > am regretting it now. I was spacey all yesterday, and this morning I have a > horrible headache, and feel a little burning in the urethra area. I learned > a valuable lesson. If you are feeling good, DON'T CHEAT! > > Today I will be fasting again. > Everyone, take care, > Love, > Patty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RMA <rommie31@a...> > < egroups> > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 7:23 AM > Subject: new member. Where do I start? > > > > Hi , > > > > I don't know where to start and feel nervous posting. I got my > > implants about 2 and half years ago. After having my children by > > breasts were deformed looking. If my plastic surgeon really cared , > > I feel he would have explained Mastopexy options instead of promoting > > the saline implants. But I already know the doctors dont care now. > > > > Well, I don't have the money to get them out . Where do I go and what > > do I do? Its at least $5-6,000 for an explant. To get a mastopexy > > with it will be around the 10,000 mark. I have been so depressed and > > its getting worse as the months go by. > > > > I go to my gynocologist on the 26th this month. There is an area > > under my armpit on the outer/upper portion of one breast that gets > > swollen and tender each month, when I have PMS.. Like its displaced > > breast tissue that is reacting to my hormonal changes or something. > > Anyway , I am worried. tired and my heart is sick. miserable and my > > poor family suffers because of my state of mind. > > > > All the information here is wonderful , at the same time, painful. I > > already know they're bad, I already know I want them out. I read all > > the medical reports and die inside because I dont have the money to > > get them out . So I sit here and have increased anxiety . Part of me > > wishes all those reports and forwards were separate from > > the " support " area. I need support , not to be scared everytime I > > read an email . I already know the bad and reading more of the bad > > just increased my depression and fear. I hope that makes sense. > > Maybe after I can get these explanted I will be okay reading all the > > reports , until then .. I can't take it. > > Roma > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2001 Report Share Posted January 14, 2001 Patty, I am so glad to hear your are feeling peachy these days! Wonderful And .. Thank you for sharing with me. I am trying to think of ways to get the money up for the explant. Our financial situation is not too good. I have little in savings and could not bear to use any of that for myself when it could put everything at risk of loss for my kids. ( ie:car, house) One major catastophy with the house or car could wipe me out. There is no way I can save that much money -- it will take me a couple years at least and I dont feel I have that long to wait. My body and brain feel toxic. It seems my memory is getting worse all the time, scatter brained as can be. I was never that way before. Could it be the depression ? I do need to follow your lead with the natural living concept. The whole environment is nasty nowadays. I know I eat too many processed foods, but i have all my life bad, i know .. My training is as a Neuromuscular therapist. I was licensed for 4 years and had a wonderful business. When I got pregnant with my last child in 1996, I quit and let my licensing go -- I got the implants in 1998 . I've been a stay at home mom since then. Within 6 months I felt a change in myself for the worse. Even the week after I had surgery I new I had made a mistake. Your inner voice never lies, does it? How I wish there was a training hospital with resident surgeons that would do the explant for minimum cost. I'd be their guinny pig gladly , anything is better than living with these in my body . hugs, Roma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2001 Report Share Posted January 14, 2001 , I am so glad to hear I am not alone about the body image thing. Gosh, I just wish I would have realized I didnt want to be saggy and not bigger , as I was natuarally before children. I could have had the mastopexy for the 5-6,000 that I spent on the augmentation. Small bust would have been fine, I just didnt like how deformed I was. I realize now that i will have that worse than before when i am explanted. Unfortuanately, I dont have any family. My mom & dad are deceased many years now. I am 37. If my credit cards get any higher I will go bankrupt, and I cant do that to my little kids. We're hanging by a thread. It wasnt that way a few years ago . My how it can change. I appreciate you sharing with me. It helps so much . Will keep you posted on how things go. I am so glad to hear you are post -op ! Just the relief from mental anguish must be wonderful . I know you're going to get better 100% -- Hang in there !! Blessings , R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2001 Report Share Posted January 14, 2001 Hi Roma, I want to address the money situation with explant, if I can. I know this is one of the hardest obstacles to overcome in the healing process, because if the money isn't there, it becomes a trap and you feel hopeless. You need to have hope. I am not well versed in insurance matters, but I know Martha on this list is.....she had a career in insurance, and maybe she can offer some hope. She is Director of the National Silicone Implant Foundation. Do you have any insurance? Most insurances won't cover it, but you have to try to cover all your angles. I did not think that my insurance would cover it, but I had a wonderful plastic surgeon in Mesa, Arizona who wrote the insurance request letter in such a way that it was not revealed 1) when I got my implants and 2) that they were saline filled. They didn't ask, either. It was also noted that I had Baker IV contractures (very hard capsules), which I don't know if that was true or not, but those facts got my insurance approval in a matter of about two weeks. I felt God was watching over me! Another option for you may be to set up a payment schedule if you can find a very understanding explant surgeon. I know that there are some out there who are very tough when it comes to the money part, but I do think that there are some that we have worked with who try to help when a woman is in dire need. I am not sure where you are, but I will send you in a private post a list of the recommended plastic surgeons that I have. You may want to check out this list to find one in your area, and explain your situation and see if you can work something out. This is just absolutely criminal that this is happening, and I hear it over and over again. Plastic surgeons today should make sure they discuss what patients will do financially if they have to get the implants out. Everyone is always so giddy about getting them, and I blame the doctors who put them in for not bringing up this very important point. I hope we can come up with some more suggestions for you, Roma, and please keep writing to us. For now, the best thing you can do for yourself is to take care of your body with proper internal cleansing and eating good foods. Check out Dr. Kolb's silicone treatment protocol on www.plastikos.com for a starting point. Start calling around and see if there is anyone who is willing to work out payment arrangements, but who will do the explant correctly. I'll send you the list. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: RMA <rommie31@...> < egroups> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: Re: new member. Where do I start? > , > > I am so glad to hear I am not alone about the body image thing. Gosh, > I just wish I would have realized I didnt want to be saggy and not > bigger , as I was natuarally before children. I could have had the > mastopexy for the 5-6,000 that I spent on the augmentation. Small > bust would have been fine, I just didnt like how deformed I was. I > realize now that i will have that worse than before when i am > explanted. > > Unfortuanately, I dont have any family. My mom & dad are deceased many > years now. I am 37. If my credit cards get any higher I will go > bankrupt, and I cant do that to my little kids. We're hanging by a > thread. It wasnt that way a few years ago . My how it can change. > I appreciate you sharing with me. It helps so much . Will keep you > posted on how things go. > > I am so glad to hear you are post -op ! Just the relief from mental > anguish must be wonderful . I know you're going to get better 100% > -- Hang in there !! > Blessings , R > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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