Newbie Here - Questions Please

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Hi,

Background - Three months ago, I took 4 Levaquin pills that

completely devasted my life to date to clear up a sinus infection

(couldn't finish the prescription because of ADR's). I won't get

into the devastating effects of the Levaquin here as I guess it isn't

relevant. Anyway, the Levaquin didn't clear the sinus infection and

I took a Z Pack. While on the Z pack, the diarrehea started. I had

it bad for 2 or 3 days and now just have it once in the morning when

I should have my regular bowel movement. I was also having some

stomach discomfort and pain and gas but I don't know if that is from

the Levaquin or not. I have had horrible gas for a long time now. I

saw my doc's on-call partner about 3 weeks ago and he ordered a stool

sample. Everything was normal except for a 3+ candida albicans.

(Could somebody please tell me how bad this 3+ may or may not be as I

know that this is a yeast that everyone has in their colon.) My

doctor called me the next week and told me that he was calling in a

prescription for Diflucan for 5 days. Before picking it up, I

researched it and found that it is very hard on the liver and right

now, trying to get through these horrible ADRs from the Levaquin, I

didn't think it was the right drug for me. I am horribly afraid of

drugs right now. The Levaquin totaled my body. I got an appointment

with him to discuss how bad this yeast infection was but I didn't get

any answers. He said to see the GI specialist I was scheduled with

the next week and just take some fiber pills until I saw him. So, I

saw the GI on Tuesday. I just wanted to know about the yeast. He

really didn't have much to say about it except that " you're taking

the Diflucan right " . I said no, that I wanted to talk to him before

I started it. He said that we was ordering a colonoscopy and just

blew off the yeast issue (as if it wasn't serious and I'm hoping it

isn't). He said that we would discuss the yeast after the

colonoscopy and that the yeast wasn't causing my problems. I'm not

sure if I am having the colonoscopy or not as I really can't afford

it. I started taking a garlic clove a day about a week ago and cut

out sugar and other foods that I found fed the yeast on the

internet. I hope that if necessary that I can fix this

holistically. I would be willing to take Nystatin if needed but have

read that garlic is just as good. I've already lost some weight due

to the Levaquin and am only 122 lbs., 48 years old, and 5 foot 4.

This diet is causing more weight loss and I hardly want to eat as

nothing is appealing to me. My question is -- is this 3+ candida

albicans so serious that I need to be worried about it right away or

can it wait until I recover more from the Levaquin? What would be a

normal amount of yeast in the intestines?

Thanks so much.

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>

> Hi,

>

> Background - Three months ago, I took 4 Levaquin pills that

> completely devasted my life to date to clear up a sinus infection

> (couldn't finish the prescription because of ADR's). I won't get

> into the devastating effects of the Levaquin here as I guess it

isn't

> relevant. Anyway, the Levaquin didn't clear the sinus infection

and

> I took a Z Pack. While on the Z pack, the diarrehea started. I

had

> it bad for 2 or 3 days and now just have it once in the morning

when

> I should have my regular bowel movement. I was also having some

> stomach discomfort and pain and gas but I don't know if that is

from

> the Levaquin or not. I have had horrible gas for a long time

now. I

> saw my doc's on-call partner about 3 weeks ago and he ordered a

stool

> sample. Everything was normal except for a 3+ candida albicans.

> (Could somebody please tell me how bad this 3+ may or may not be

as I

> know that this is a yeast that everyone has in their colon.) My

> doctor called me the next week and told me that he was calling in

a

> prescription for Diflucan for 5 days. Before picking it up, I

> researched it and found that it is very hard on the liver and

right

> now, trying to get through these horrible ADRs from the Levaquin,

I

> didn't think it was the right drug for me. I am horribly afraid

of

> drugs right now. The Levaquin totaled my body. I got an

appointment

> with him to discuss how bad this yeast infection was but I didn't

get

> any answers. He said to see the GI specialist I was scheduled

with

> the next week and just take some fiber pills until I saw him. So,

I

> saw the GI on Tuesday. I just wanted to know about the yeast. He

> really didn't have much to say about it except that " you're taking

> the Diflucan right " . I said no, that I wanted to talk to him

before

> I started it. He said that we was ordering a colonoscopy and just

> blew off the yeast issue (as if it wasn't serious and I'm hoping

it

> isn't). He said that we would discuss the yeast after the

> colonoscopy and that the yeast wasn't causing my problems. I'm

not

> sure if I am having the colonoscopy or not as I really can't

afford

> it. I started taking a garlic clove a day about a week ago and

cut

> out sugar and other foods that I found fed the yeast on the

> internet. I hope that if necessary that I can fix this

> holistically. I would be willing to take Nystatin if needed but

have

> read that garlic is just as good. I've already lost some weight

due

> to the Levaquin and am only 122 lbs., 48 years old, and 5 foot 4.

> This diet is causing more weight loss and I hardly want to eat as

> nothing is appealing to me. My question is -- is this 3+ candida

> albicans so serious that I need to be worried about it right away

or

> can it wait until I recover more from the Levaquin? What would be

a

> normal amount of yeast in the intestines?

>

> Thanks so much.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>WOW....sorry for your Lavaquin issues....ME TOO!!! I was floxed 4

1/2 years ago and to this day suffer from adr's of it, probably

including a yeast infection(oral thrush...taking liquid

Nystatin...not helping)....feel like you...with bad Lev. adr's , I

am BIG TIME affraid to try Diflcan, which will tear the liver up!

Actually, my biggest problem for past 2 weeks is TERRIBLE

fatigue/brain fog/no energy to do more than type at computer////read

at the Quinolone Board(been there yet...great site...MANY wrecked

lives!) 4 yrs ago about a flox victim that could not get out off bed

24/7 formultiple adr reasons...Levaquin and Quins are a life

wrecker! I personally think the Can diet/supplements are good, but

when your hit with BAD symptoms debilitating you need a faster

remedy...there may not be one....anyway, I DO share and understand

your predicament....reply back with how long/dosage you were on Lev

and what docs said. Thanks and best to ya. Shybasset

> Hi,

>

> Background - Three months ago, I took 4 Levaquin pills that

> completely devasted my life to date to clear up a sinus infection

> (couldn't finish the prescription because of ADR's). I won't get

> into the devastating effects of the Levaquin here as I guess it

isn't

> relevant. Anyway, the Levaquin didn't clear the sinus infection

and

> I took a Z Pack. While on the Z pack, the diarrehea started. I

had

> it bad for 2 or 3 days and now just have it once in the morning

when

> I should have my regular bowel movement. I was also having some

> stomach discomfort and pain and gas but I don't know if that is

from

> the Levaquin or not. I have had horrible gas for a long time

now. I

> saw my doc's on-call partner about 3 weeks ago and he ordered a

stool

> sample. Everything was normal except for a 3+ candida albicans.

> (Could somebody please tell me how bad this 3+ may or may not be

as I

> know that this is a yeast that everyone has in their colon.) My

> doctor called me the next week and told me that he was calling in

a

> prescription for Diflucan for 5 days. Before picking it up, I

> researched it and found that it is very hard on the liver and

right

> now, trying to get through these horrible ADRs from the Levaquin,

I

> didn't think it was the right drug for me. I am horribly afraid

of

> drugs right now. The Levaquin totaled my body. I got an

appointment

> with him to discuss how bad this yeast infection was but I didn't

get

> any answers. He said to see the GI specialist I was scheduled

with

> the next week and just take some fiber pills until I saw him. So,

I

> saw the GI on Tuesday. I just wanted to know about the yeast. He

> really didn't have much to say about it except that " you're taking

> the Diflucan right " . I said no, that I wanted to talk to him

before

> I started it. He said that we was ordering a colonoscopy and just

> blew off the yeast issue (as if it wasn't serious and I'm hoping

it

> isn't). He said that we would discuss the yeast after the

> colonoscopy and that the yeast wasn't causing my problems. I'm

not

> sure if I am having the colonoscopy or not as I really can't

afford

> it. I started taking a garlic clove a day about a week ago and

cut

> out sugar and other foods that I found fed the yeast on the

> internet. I hope that if necessary that I can fix this

> holistically. I would be willing to take Nystatin if needed but

have

> read that garlic is just as good. I've already lost some weight

due

> to the Levaquin and am only 122 lbs., 48 years old, and 5 foot 4.

> This diet is causing more weight loss and I hardly want to eat as

> nothing is appealing to me. My question is -- is this 3+ candida

> albicans so serious that I need to be worried about it right away

or

> can it wait until I recover more from the Levaquin? What would be

a

> normal amount of yeast in the intestines?

>

> Thanks so much.

>

>

>

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Hi Shybasset,

Thanks for writing. I recognize you from the quinolones board. I

was a member for a while but had to unsubscribe because it was taking

over my life. I was getting so depressed reading about the people

who weren't getting better. Major depression. I still read the

board every day but try not read too much. I have horrible anxiety

and panic attacks that stem from my early childhood so constantly

reading about the horror stories and people not getting better --

only getting worse -- was not helping me with my recovery or hopeful

recovery. Anyway, you asked how long I took the Levaquin. I took 4

750mg pills of Levaquin in May. I started reacting after the 3rd

pill and why I took the 4th, I'll never understand. I've been having

the typical issues -- horrible pain in my feet and thighs, shoulders,

arms, tremors, tics, insomnia, fatigue, couldn't even hold up a book

to read because of weak muscles. There are/were alot more but I'm so

tired right now that I can't think. Some of this has subsided to a

good degree for now (hopefully forever) but my stomach is soooo bad.

Also having back pain that I pray is not my kidneys or some other

major organ. All blood tests and urine tests have come back normal.

My doc and my new neurologist both attribute all of my symptoms to

the Levaquin. Only test that hasn't been normal lately is the one

for candida. I know that this isn't the place to discuss this but

how much better are you after 4-1/2 years?

> >WOW....sorry for your Lavaquin issues....ME TOO!!! I was floxed 4

> 1/2 years ago and to this day suffer from adr's of it, probably

> including a yeast infection(oral thrush...taking liquid

> Nystatin...not helping)....feel like you...with bad Lev. adr's , I

> am BIG TIME affraid to try Diflcan, which will tear the liver up!

> Actually, my biggest problem for past 2 weeks is TERRIBLE

> fatigue/brain fog/no energy to do more than type at

computer////read

> at the Quinolone Board(been there yet...great site...MANY wrecked

> lives!) 4 yrs ago about a flox victim that could not get out off

bed

> 24/7 formultiple adr reasons...Levaquin and Quins are a life

> wrecker! I personally think the Can diet/supplements are good, but

> when your hit with BAD symptoms debilitating you need a faster

> remedy...there may not be one....anyway, I DO share and understand

> your predicament....reply back with how long/dosage you were on Lev

> and what docs said. Thanks and best to ya. Shybasset

> > Hi,

> >

> > Background - Three months ago, I took 4 Levaquin pills that

> > completely devasted my life to date to clear up a sinus infection

> > (couldn't finish the prescription because of ADR's). I won't get

> > into the devastating effects of the Levaquin here as I guess it

> isn't

> > relevant. Anyway, the Levaquin didn't clear the sinus infection

> and

> > I took a Z Pack. While on the Z pack, the diarrehea started. I

> had

> > it bad for 2 or 3 days and now just have it once in the morning

> when

> > I should have my regular bowel movement. I was also having some

> > stomach discomfort and pain and gas but I don't know if that is

> from

> > the Levaquin or not. I have had horrible gas for a long time

> now. I

> > saw my doc's on-call partner about 3 weeks ago and he ordered a

> stool

> > sample. Everything was normal except for a 3+ candida albicans.

> > (Could somebody please tell me how bad this 3+ may or may not be

> as I

> > know that this is a yeast that everyone has in their colon.) My

> > doctor called me the next week and told me that he was calling in

> a

> > prescription for Diflucan for 5 days. Before picking it up, I

> > researched it and found that it is very hard on the liver and

> right

> > now, trying to get through these horrible ADRs from the Levaquin,

> I

> > didn't think it was the right drug for me. I am horribly afraid

> of

> > drugs right now. The Levaquin totaled my body. I got an

> appointment

> > with him to discuss how bad this yeast infection was but I didn't

> get

> > any answers. He said to see the GI specialist I was scheduled

> with

> > the next week and just take some fiber pills until I saw him.

So,

> I

> > saw the GI on Tuesday. I just wanted to know about the yeast.

He

> > really didn't have much to say about it except that " you're

taking

> > the Diflucan right " . I said no, that I wanted to talk to him

> before

> > I started it. He said that we was ordering a colonoscopy and

just

> > blew off the yeast issue (as if it wasn't serious and I'm hoping

> it

> > isn't). He said that we would discuss the yeast after the

> > colonoscopy and that the yeast wasn't causing my problems. I'm

> not

> > sure if I am having the colonoscopy or not as I really can't

> afford

> > it. I started taking a garlic clove a day about a week ago and

> cut

> > out sugar and other foods that I found fed the yeast on the

> > internet. I hope that if necessary that I can fix this

> > holistically. I would be willing to take Nystatin if needed but

> have

> > read that garlic is just as good. I've already lost some weight

> due

> > to the Levaquin and am only 122 lbs., 48 years old, and 5 foot

4.

> > This diet is causing more weight loss and I hardly want to eat as

> > nothing is appealing to me. My question is -- is this 3+ candida

> > albicans so serious that I need to be worried about it right away

> or

> > can it wait until I recover more from the Levaquin? What would

be

> a

> > normal amount of yeast in the intestines?

> >

> > Thanks so much.

> >

> >

> >

>

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Hi . Welcome to our group.

wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Background - Three months ago, I took 4 Levaquin pills that

> completely devasted my life to date to clear up a sinus infection

> (couldn't finish the prescription because of ADR's).

==>What are ADR's ??

> I won't get into the devastating effects of the Levaquin here as

I guess it isn't relevant. Anyway, the Levaquin didn't clear the

sinus infection and I took a Z Pack. While on the Z pack, the

diarrehea started. I had it bad for 2 or 3 days and now just have

it once in the morning when I should have my regular bowel

movement. I was also having some stomach discomfort and pain and

gas but I don't know if that is from the Levaquin or not. I have

had horrible gas for a long time now. I saw my doc's on-call

partner about 3 weeks ago and he ordered a stool sample. Everything

was normal except for a 3+ candida albicans. (Could somebody please

tell me how bad this 3+ may or may not be as I know that this is a

yeast that everyone has in their colon.)

==>I do not know the rating system used by doctors, but the best

test is Dr. Crook's Yeast Questionnaire found in my article " How to

Successfully Overcome Candida " sent to you when you joined.

> My doctor called me the next week and told me that he was calling

in a prescription for Diflucan for 5 days. Before picking it up, I

researched it and found that it is very hard on the liver and right

now, trying to get through these horrible ADRs from the Levaquin, I

> didn't think it was the right drug for me. I am horribly afraid

of drugs right now. The Levaquin totaled my body. I got an

appointment with him to discuss how bad this yeast infection was but

I didn't get any answers. He said to see the GI specialist I was

scheduled with the next week and just take some fiber pills until I

saw him. So, I saw the GI on Tuesday. I just wanted to know about

the yeast. He really didn't have much to say about it except

that " you're taking the Diflucan right " . I said no, that I wanted

to talk to him before I started it. He said that we was ordering a

colonoscopy and just blew off the yeast issue (as if it wasn't

serious and I'm hoping it isn't). He said that we would discuss the

yeast after the colonoscopy and that the yeast wasn't causing my

problems. I'm not sure if I am having the colonoscopy or not as I

really can't afford it.

==>You are right about Diflucan and antifungal drugs other than

nystatin being extremely hard on the liver, with sometimes

irreversiable damage. Doctors do not know how to treat candida

because they treat symptoms only with drugs. They get about 5-8

weeks training in nutrition.

> I started taking a garlic clove a day about a week ago and cut

> out sugar and other foods that I found fed the yeast on the

> internet. I hope that if necessary that I can fix this

> holistically. I would be willing to take Nystatin if needed but

have read that garlic is just as good.

==>You are right that garlic is just as good, as well as oil of

oregano and clove oil. Also coconut oil is very important to take

for overall health and it is also antifungal. You need to read my

article " How to Successfully Overcome Candida " - diet is the most

important aspect of becoming well again, and you shouldn't start on

strong antifungals like garlic too soon, before you're following the

diet per my article.

> I've already lost some weight due to the Levaquin and am only

122 lbs., 48 years old, and 5 foot 4. This diet is causing more

weight loss and I hardly want to eat as > nothing is appealing to

me. My question is -- is this 3+ candida albicans so serious that

I need to be worried about it right away or can it wait until I

recover more from the Levaquin? What would be a normal amount of

yeast in the intestines?

=>If the doctor was going to give you Dilflucan you didn't have a

normal amounts of candida in your intestines. Also your sinus

problems, etc. all point to having candida. Please read my article

so you understand how candida overgrows and the 4 steps to take

towards getting it under control.

The best in health.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

Thanks for writing. ADR's are adverse drug reactions. After 4 days

of levaquin, I experienced SEVERE pain in my feet and thighs. A few

days later the pain spread body wide mostly to my shoulders, back and

neck. Then, in no particular order, came the muscle twitches and tic

all over, the stiffness in my legs, most all joints popping or

clicking whenever I moved, burning skin pain, burning eyes, ringing

in ears, stomach problems, severe jerking when falling asleep, severe

muscle weakness (couldn't hold up a book or fishing pole), lost

weight, tingling and/or numbness in fingers, hands, toes and feet,

floaters in my eyes, pain in the base of my spine, hives and a rash,

anxiety, depression and insomnia. Both my PCP and a new neurologist

attributed all symptoms to Levaquin. So far I have been very

blessed - it has only been 3 months and alot of these ADR's are

somewhat better. Not all, but a majority are somewhat better. I

know though reading on the quinolone board that they can come back at

any time, in any intensity, which keeps the anxiety and depression

going. Although I have also read that " the vast majority of people

get better, most heal 100%. However, you really don't hear from

these people. They seem to go on with their lives -- which they

should do -- but forget to post to give others hope.

>

I did take Dr. Crook's Yeast Questionnaire and scored 136.

>

I started my program before I found your website so I've already

started the garlic along with a diet but am adjusting to your diet

and supplements. I don't think at this point I should stop taking

the garlic after 2 weeks, should I? I still need to go buy some of

the supplements you recommend. I had one part of a day that I felt

like I had the flu just a few days ago so maybe that was die-off. It

wasn't a good feeling and came out of the blue. It lasted for a few

hours. My stomach does seem somewhat better today.

I have started to read your article " How to Successfully Overcome

Candida " . I will finish it soon.

My doctor told me to take fiber supplements (Metamucil) to help with

the diarrhea and I have been taking those too and they do seem to be

helping. Is this alright to take with your program?

I've had chronic sinus problems for so many years so if this did

nothing more than to clear up my sinuses, it would be a God send.

Thank you and looking forward to working your program!

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>

> Hi Bee, Thanks for writing. ADR's are adverse drug reactions.

After 4 days of levaquin, I experienced SEVERE pain in my feet and

thighs. A few days later the pain spread body wide mostly to my

shoulders, back and neck. Then, in no particular order, came the

muscle twitches and tic all over, the stiffness in my legs, most all

joints popping or clicking whenever I moved, burning skin pain,

burning eyes, ringing in ears, stomach problems, severe jerking when

falling asleep, severe muscle weakness (couldn't hold up a book or

fishing pole), lost weight, tingling and/or numbness in fingers,

hands, toes and feet, floaters in my eyes, pain in the base of my

spine, hives and a rash, anxiety, depression and insomnia. Both my

PCP and a new neurologist attributed all symptoms to Levaquin.

==>Wow! Yours and Shybassetts experience with levaquin really makes

one wonder how the FDA can allow such products on the market, and why

doctors would be so ignorant.

> So far I have been very blessed - it has only been 3 months and

alot of these ADR's are somewhat better. Not all, but a majority are

somewhat better. I know though reading on the quinolone board that

they can come back at any time, in any intensity, which keeps the

anxiety and depression going.

==>What does quinolone mean?

> Although I have also read that " the vast majority of people

> get better, most heal 100%. However, you really don't hear from

> these people. They seem to go on with their lives -- which they

> should do -- but forget to post to give others hope.

> >

> I did take Dr. Crook's Yeast Questionnaire and scored 136.

> >

> I started my program before I found your website so I've already

> started the garlic along with a diet but am adjusting to your diet

> and supplements. I don't think at this point I should stop taking

> the garlic after 2 weeks, should I?

==>NO, it would be okay to continue on garlic if you are doing okay

with it.

> I still need to go buy some of the supplements you recommend. I

had one part of a day that I felt like I had the flu just a few days

ago so maybe that was die-off. > It wasn't a good feeling and came

out of the blue. It lasted for a few hours. My stomach does seem

somewhat better today.

==>Yes, flu-like symptoms are die-off symptoms for sure!

> I have started to read your article " How to Successfully Overcome

> Candida " . I will finish it soon.

==>Good for you!

>

> My doctor told me to take fiber supplements (Metamucil) to help

with the diarrhea and I have been taking those too and they do seem

to be helping. Is this alright to take with your program?

==>I do not recommend Metamucil nor any kind of fibres; read articles

on Fibres in the Candida Diet Folder. If you need help with

digestion or the bowels see the Digestion Folder. This diet will

heal the intestines and also strengthen it because of the good

saturated fats like coconut oil, butter, lard and other good fats,

omega-3 and oil soluble vitamins, of course along with meats and

eggs. Proteins and fats are the very easiest foods for the body to

digest and utilize compared to carbohydrates of any kind,

particularly fibre.

>

> I've had chronic sinus problems for so many years so if this did

> nothing more than to clear up my sinuses, it would be a God send.

==>There's help for your sinuses in the Treatments Folder (I

believe), or it could be on it's own. If you want to find an article

on a particular subject go to the A) Candida Files, Folders & Links

List - open it and use the Find Function (under Edit).

>

> Thank you and looking forward to working your program!

==>You will be pleased and happy with the results you get.

The best to you, Bee

>