Re: Re: Protein/Vegetarianism/Studies?

[Guest guest]

Hi Jane:

I also had gallstones and the surgeon said I need to have it removed. I

asked the advice of my good friends and some said to get it removed and

others said to try the cleanse. I opted to have it removed as I was getting

really sick and throwing up. I am still recovering from surgery and although

some of my symptoms are gone a lot are still there. I guess I figured I was

so sick it couldn't hurt to have the gallbladder removed. I am almost

positive I have a tapeworm which I have had for a long time. I want to feel

better so badly that I will try anything at this point. To get back to you

question you should try the cleanse first to see if you get results. I was

using Hydrangea which is an herb that aids in dissolving gallstones and also

do a cleanse that includes I think lemon, olive oil and some other

ingredients. I picked up a copy of the cleanse at my local health food

store. Don't quote me on this but Hulda 's theory is that gallstones

are actually formed from parasites. She suggests to do a parasite cleanse

before doing the gallbladder cleanse. The ia Formula is a very potent

and should eliminate most parasites. I hope that helps you:))

Does anyone have any advice I am going to a travel medicine doctor on

Wednesday and they will do some parasite testing. Is there anything I can

take the day before that will increase my chances of getting the parasite

identified in the stool tests. I have taken these before and they came back

negative. I am going to pray that they can help me I am driving 7 hours to

go see this doctor so I am crossing my fingers that something good will

happen. Thank you

#2

[Guest guest]

Jane

I'm sorry I didn't quote my sources I have the articles at home. I will give

you better information when I return to my home. Sorry

#2

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/22/99 6:38:10 AM Central Standard Time,

SlvrMoon2@... writes:

<< Has anyone else on this list had this many digestive problems? I find my

thinking is circular..[g]. Which to do first...try a gallstone flush, find

out about parasites, treat candida, supplement with HCI. I think I would be

better off with a doctor, but not easy to find the right one. I have been

looking a long time.

Anyone?

Jane

>>

Jane,

have you looked at this?

http://geopages.com/HotSprings/Villa/3934/bowel cleanse.html

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Did the colonoscopy show anything? I had a sigmoidscopy but it came back

okay. Were you able to identify what you have by doing the stool test? I am

praying that this doctor can help me. I guess I was pretty desperate to have

surgery but I thought it might help. I can't exactly take it back now oh

well. I should of been thinking clearer instead of jumping the gun. Thanks

again for all the information you have provided.

[Guest guest]

:

Thank you I will try anything. If you find that website I will definitely

give it a shot:))))

Jules

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/22/99 12:38:16, SlvrMoon2@... writes:

<< Has anyone else on this list had this many digestive problems? I find my

thinking is circular..[g]. Which to do first...try a gallstone flush, find

out about parasites, treat candida, supplement with HCI. >>

This is a complicated problem. I can only say a few things that might be

helpful:

First of all before doing a parasite cleanse it is probably best that you try

to clean out and stabilize your colon first. So I would not start with the

parasite cleanse. I would start with improving digestion through HCl and

enzymes, and doing a colon cleanse, while regulating my diet.

You say that you are having trouble digesting proteins. I'm going to

recommend a couple of things which may seem pretty obvious, in case you may

not know of one or two of them. Here goes:

It's really important to chew very slowly. Everyone talks about this but it

is REALLY important. One should NEVER eat late at night, standing up, or

lying down. Liquids, except for juices, should not be taken with meals.

People with a tendency to heartburn should take vegetarian digestive enzymes.

When digestion is delicate, if you take supplements, it is a good idea to

try to get them in powder or liquid form. Capsules can be more stressful on

the digestion than one realizes, particularly hard capsules. (Powders inside

soft gels are usually better). People with difficulty digesting should not

eat too many raw vegetables at first--you're much better off juicing them.,

or steaming them. Raw vegetables are hard to digest (although

paradoxically they provide many needed digestive enzymes). Nuts and seeds

are about the hardest thing to digest and if you are going to eat them, you

should chew them veeery well.

When you have digestive trouble if you are going to take any psyllium based

product be sure you have lots and lots of water. This is always the case

with psyllium and bentonite and other intestinal cleansers, but especially if

you have poor digestion and you don't drink enough water the stuff will make

you incredibly nauseous.

As I said, most people I've read don't recommend a parasite cleanse until a

couple of weeks of colon cleansing. You should also be aware that candida

and parasites are opposite in some ways, so you kind of have to treat them

separately. This is because candida thrives in an acidic environment while

acid tends to kill most (not all) parasites, which actually do well in an

alkaline environment. This means that when you create an alkaline

environment (which will definitely kill candida) it won't kill say most

worms.

So since you seem to be well into the candida diet I would suggest you go

through with that and then focus on the parasites a little later. Not to

despair, there are some things which are lethal for BOTH candida and

parasites. Among them there are green black walnut hulls, grapefruit seed

extract, colloidal silver, flax seed and the omega oils. Using lots of these

in your candida regimen will kill two " birds " with one " stone " .

I know it can all seem a bit overwhelming but I hope this has been at least a

little help. I have to confess that I made my best inroads on such serious

digestive syndromes with the help of a holistic doctor, but you're right,

it's hard to find a good and affordable one. Mine was good but NOT

affordable and financial stress in the long run will not help your digestion

either, But keep on looking, though.

Robin

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/22/99 13:01:26, 94104@... writes:

<< Hulda 's theory is that gallstones

are actually formed from parasites. She suggests to do a parasite cleanse

before doing the gallbladder cleanse. >>

2, Hulda seems to think that EVERYTHING is formed from parasites.

This kind of begs the question, though, because, then, where did the

parasites come from? It's the old chicken and egg riddle, but in reality

people who are ill like some of us are have had years and years to build up a

syndrome. It isn't really a question of what caused what after a lifetime of

toxic build-up. People with parasites tend to have gallstones and vice

verse. Actuallly anyone with an ecological imbalance in the GI tract will

probably get both of these things sooner or later, along with many other

symptoms. The root of it all is toxicity, nutritional deficiency and stress.

As far as doing the parasite cleanse before the gallstone cleanse, well

maybe, but again, as I just posted to Jane, I've heard from many sources that

an intestinal cleanse should precede a parasite cleanse. Whether this could

also be applied to a gallstone cleanse, I don't know. I wish that there were

easier answers.

Robin

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/23/99 03:20:36, preynolds@... writes:

<< For constipation, including lots of raw greens in the diet, as opposed to

cooked, will help get things moving >>

It's true raw greens will help constipation, but as I mentioned, when the

digestion itself is very upset, these can be very irritating. Personally

when I had serious candida complicated by digestive upset I found it better

to get my bulk from good (as you alluded to, " expensive " helps) psyillium

products (of course not from grains in the beginning), and to steam my

vegetables.

As far as the anticandida drugs go, I wouldn't recommend that route either

but if anyone wants to pursue it, the drug of choice is Dyflucan, not

Nystatin or any of the other antifungals. Dyflucan is thought to be the most

thorough and the least toxic these days (although they are all quite toxic).

From what I understand, nothing on the market compares to it. But Dyflucan

is WILDLY expensive, and, unless your insurance pays for drugs, can be prohibi

tvely so.

Here is another angle that people miss on this list, we don't touch on it

much, but I noticed it was very helpful for candida: what about martial

arts, which relax and strengthen the muscles of the lower abdomen, which

bring the body energy down toward gravity and help us to release what we are

holding in. As a candida sufferer this helped me immensely. Too bad I've

gotten away from it. As a parasite sufferer it would probably help me now.

Those exercises, in conjunction with cleansing, can be very powerful.

Robin

[Guest guest]

Hi Jane,

> Secondly, I am trying to determine which type of treatment plan

> to follow,

> for digestive problems I am having. I have already determined

> that I have a

> yeast problem, but after having started a restricted diet for 2 weeks, in

> preparation for taking yeast killing materials, I find that I am

> still having

> too much digestive difficulty to feel it is all yeast related.

>

> I am still having a very bloated, very firm upper abdomen, above

> my naval.

> Less gas, but still very bloated. I was having diarrhea, but that has

> resolved. I know I have a large gallstone, but I haven't had

> pain in that

> area for awhile.

>

> Since staying away from all grains, and sugars, I find I am not digesting

> proteins very well. After eating a meal with meat or eggs, I

> feel like it

> sits in my stomach a long time. So I feel I am stuck between a

> rock and a

> hard place.

How are you cooking the meat? Overcooked meat, to the point it is dried out,

is especially constipating. You might take your meat raw or lightly cooked,

and keep the portions small. Also - and this is very important! - I strongly

recommend 100% avoiding all luncheon meats and meats raised on hormones and

antibiotics (including eating meat in restaurants). If you haven't done

this, but do it for a month or so then 'reintroduce' drugged commercial

feedlot meat, you will understand why when you get a splitting headache or

nausea from the meat derived from a diseased animal.

For constipation, including lots of raw greens in the diet, as opposed to

cooked, will help get things moving. Dr. Shulze's #1 or a similar formula

will 'definitely' get things moving (however, how long you can safely take

this kind of formula is a matter of debate and I don't have an answer for

it).

I had candida-overgrowth pretty bad and taking massive, expensive doses of

high-quality probiotics such as Natren Healthy Trinity (dairy powders)

helped me a lot. I also had my mercury amalgams out and that was important

for me. It took me at least 2 years to make decent progress with this

problem.

Personally I think in most cases yeast-fighting drugs and substances are a

waste of time over the long run and can even cause harmful rebound effects,

and taking lots of Nystatin and yeast-fighters did nothing for me long-term,

but some people disagree as once in awhile they can help a person get 'over

the hump' so to speak. Sometimes people get to where have to take Nystatin

all the time to feel not well, just somewhat less crummy. But then they get

off it, cheat on the diet a bit, and 'bang'.

>

> Has anyone else on this list had this many digestive problems? I find my

> thinking is circular..[g]. Which to do first...try a gallstone

> flush, find

> out about parasites, treat candida, supplement with HCI. I think

> I would be

> better off with a doctor, but not easy to find the right one. I

> have been

> looking a long time.

>

> Anyone?

Its hard to find a good MD, and the Candida docs are often too aggressive

with drugs. It is sometimes more important to find people on the Net to

support you in self-healing.

Check out this Web forum:

http://www.healthyawareness.com/Candida/

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/23/99 05:38:38, rychlo@... writes:

<< Ya,

They are that's why I am hesitant to send my address. Is it permissable on

this site? Please let me know. >>

I for one am delighted to view the websites of people who are selling things

on this list and encourage you and others to put these website addresses on.

Ultimately most of what we research on the web is linked sooner or later to

the sale of a product, so why not? The more the merrier.

But please let me suggest in future when you reply to a posting that you use

the quote form by selecting that part of the message you are responding to

before you write your own message. That way it is easier for everyone to

follow the chats, especially when the list is very busy, as it has been

lately.

Robin