Re: Your opinion please

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In a message dated 4/28/01 9:43:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kimn01@... writes:

We are in our second year and still large loads of toxins

are being excreted and my wife still hasn't gotten rid of that stinky

tapeworm.

Stinky tapeworm????????? Does tapeworm make you stink or something???

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Melody

From my experience, it takes a long time to cleanse/ bowel. My wife and I

are both thin and we thought we lived an ultra-healthy lifestyle, but when

we started our cleansing program, we were amazed to find out how polluted

we really were. We are in our second year and still large loads of toxins

are being excreted and my wife still hasn't gotten rid of that stinky

tapeworm. Whether you are doing an herbal cleanse or fasting with coffee

enemas, I recommended that you think about a life long healthy lifestyle

which includes so sort of bowel cleansing .

Hope that was helpful

Ken

Your opinion please

> Hi everybody,

>

> I lurk here and very occasionally post. I want to start doing a

colon/bowel

> cleanse. I am not quite ready to do enemas, colonics or colon

hydrotherapy

> so I want to do an herbal cleanse or something like that. (Yep, I am a

BIG

> chicken. I am very overweight too.) Here is my dilemma: I would love

to

> just " power the stuff out " over a weekend but I realize that might not be

> feasible. My work entails being on the phone constantly. I can get off

the

> phone if necessary but sometimes calls take a few minutes so it would have

> to be between calls. Is there a fairly gentle cleanse program that would

be

> good for during the week and that I could maybe increase on the weekend??

> Or is that asking too much? LOL

>

> Thanks,

> Melody

>

>

>

> Subscription email:

> mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribe

>

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Ken and his wife's experience sounds much like my own and my daughters. I was

surprised at what an agressive cleanse it takes to get the colon cleaned out.

Then to keep it cleaned out

definitely seems to take a major diet and lifestyle change. I also thought my

diet was really good (I've been accused of being a health food " nazi " ) but found

it not good enough. I am

eating a LOT more raw foods, thanks to all the wonderful people and info on this

and a couple other lists, but find it soooo hard to stick to it 100%. When I do

I sure do detox though,

sometimes too much. This tells me I have a lot of bad stuff still in my system,

but everywhere a person turns they are getting exposed to more toxins. I try to

keep a 24 hour detox going

all of the time without getting too miserable so I can still enjoy life and

maintain my health and continue to heal. It sure seems to work for us and I've

been at this for 18 years this

June. Am always open to new info though, there is so much to learn!

ken Takemoto wrote:

> Melody

>

> >From my experience, it takes a long time to cleanse/ bowel. My wife and I

> are both thin and we thought we lived an ultra-healthy lifestyle, but when

> we started our cleansing program, we were amazed to find out how polluted

> we really were. We are in our second year and still large loads of toxins

> are being excreted and my wife still hasn't gotten rid of that stinky

> tapeworm. Whether you are doing an herbal cleanse or fasting with coffee

> enemas, I recommended that you think about a life long healthy lifestyle

> which includes so sort of bowel cleansing .

>

> Hope that was helpful

>

> Ken

>

> Your opinion please

>

> > Hi everybody,

> >

> > I lurk here and very occasionally post. I want to start doing a

> colon/bowel

> > cleanse. I am not quite ready to do enemas, colonics or colon

> hydrotherapy

> > so I want to do an herbal cleanse or something like that. (Yep, I am a

> BIG

> > chicken. I am very overweight too.) Here is my dilemma: I would love

> to

> > just " power the stuff out " over a weekend but I realize that might not be

> > feasible. My work entails being on the phone constantly. I can get off

> the

> > phone if necessary but sometimes calls take a few minutes so it would have

> > to be between calls. Is there a fairly gentle cleanse program that would

> be

> > good for during the week and that I could maybe increase on the weekend??

> > Or is that asking too much? LOL

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Melody

> >

> >

> >

> > Subscription email:

> > mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribe

> >

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In a message dated 04/29/2001 1:25:51 PM Central Daylight Time,

kimn01@... writes:

<< Monday thru Thursday, my wife was having alot of pain in her liver and

kidney area. She was also very angry which I believe was because her liver

was cleaning out. Then Saturday morning

she got fever and started throwing up. She couldn't keep any fluids down

until we started her on the pepperment tea and the oatmeal gruel. After

12 hours of sipping tea , gruel, and juices, my wife did a coffee enema. >>

__________________________

Talk about a healing crissis!!! I did those same things when I was recovering

from my illness several yrs ago. Sometime I wouldn't even feel sick to my

stomach but just different....would walk into the bathroom and open my mouth

and it like a projectile around the bathroom. Reading all of your comments

brought it all back...fever, liver pain...mine would even go down my right

arm to where I couldn't move it for a couple days. At the time I didn't

know about enemas but they sure make life better when I did find them,

and the peppermint tea was ready a blessing. This means she is closer

to getting well. What is your diet? I'm wondering about it because of

the healing crissis. Hope she is better soon. BTW, castor oil packs on

my liver really helped....has she tried that?

Edith

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In a message dated 04/29/2001 2:11:41 PM Central Daylight Time,

ejohns9525@... writes:

<< and it like a projectile around the bathroom >>

__________

I meant ACROSS the bathroom and yes the anger. I am a very laid back

person but I could tell when my liveer was getting an overload. I could

rip ANYBODY's head right off their shoulder. Boy...she and I must have

the same system make up.

Edith

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Stinky tapeworm was meant to mean that the little critter is hard to get rid of. But let me share this weeks events. Last Sunday, my wife passed more of those sesame seed things(possible tapeworm parts). Monday thru Thursday, my wife was having alot of pain in her liver and kidney area. She was also very angry which I believe was because her liver was cleaning out. Then Saturday morning

she got fever and started throwing up. She couldn't keep any fluids down until we started her on the pepperment tea and the oatmeal gruel. After 12 hours of sipping tea , gruel, and juices, my wife did a coffee enema. Talk about stinky.

Maybe that tapeworm died and really polluted her. My wife said she might of thrown up a couple of worms, but was too tired and exhausted to fish them out of the toilet. Anyway, she feeling a lot better today. She's just real sore.

Ken

Re: Your opinion please

In a message dated 4/28/01 9:43:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kimn01@... writes:

We are in our second year and still large loads of toxins are being excreted and my wife still hasn't gotten rid of that stinky tapeworm. Stinky tapeworm????????? Does tapeworm make you stink or something??? Subscription email: mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribe

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Edith

Hello my name is , and I am the one who could rip off someone's head

off quicker than anyone. I am on the Gerson Therapy which includes

drinking 13 glasses of freshly pressed vegetable and fruit juices, 3

vegetarian meals, two coffee enemas each day, and a castor oil enema once a

week.

It's great to meet someone who has been through and recovered from a healing

crisis because very few people can relate to eating healthier and then

becoming deathly ill. My healing crisis begins with depression. Then it

is followed by liver, kidney, lower back, and shoulders pain. Then it is

difficult to sleep because the liver is so active, especially during the

hours of 12am to 4am. This time, however, it was a little more extreme,

but fortunately, I had some peppermint tea, oatmeal gruel , coffee

enemas, and the support of my husband , the cook, nurse, and sounding board

to help me recover from this healing crisis.

What kind of illness were you treating? What kind of therapy were you on?

And what other type of healing crisis did you have? How long did it take

you to completely recover? And what is a BTW? I have read a lot about a

castor oil pack but I have not tried one yet.

Hope this finds you in good health

Re: Your opinion please

> In a message dated 04/29/2001 2:11:41 PM Central Daylight Time,

> ejohns9525@... writes:

>

> << and it like a projectile around the bathroom >>

> __________

>

> I meant ACROSS the bathroom and yes the anger. I am a very laid back

> person but I could tell when my liveer was getting an overload. I could

> rip ANYBODY's head right off their shoulder. Boy...she and I must have

> the same system make up.

>

> Edith

>

>

> Subscription email:

> mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribe

>

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In a message dated 04/29/2001 9:36:04 PM Central Daylight Time,

kimn01@... writes:

<< It's great to meet someone who has been through and recovered from a

healing

crisis because very few people can relate to eating healthier and then

becoming deathly ill. My healing crisis begins with depression. Then it

is followed by liver, kidney, lower back, and shoulders pain. Then it is

difficult to sleep because the liver is so active, especially during the

hours of 12am to 4am. This time, however, it was a little more extreme,

but fortunately, I had some peppermint tea, oatmeal gruel , coffee

enemas, and the support of my husband , the cook, nurse, and sounding board

to help me recover from this healing crisis.

What kind of illness were you treating? What kind of therapy were you on?

And what other type of healing crisis did you have? How long did it take

you to completely recover? And what is a BTW? I have read a lot about a

castor oil pack but I have not tried one yet.

Hope this finds you in good health

_____________________________________________________

,

I don't have a name for my illness but it all started with a slight digestion

problem when I would eat watermelon. Then I noticed my hair was coming

out. I did see a specialist for this and he gave me pills. It did slow the

hair coming out but it plunged me into a terrible feeling of always

having a flu bug. I soon put 2 & 2 together and quit them. Then the

severe digestive problems. It would start out mild and eventually I would

be in so much pain right under my ribs. Then I would go away but

sometimes lasted a couple days. I had seen the Hallalujah Acres tape

with Geoprge Malkmus a couple yrs before my very sick time. I decided

to ditch the doctor and start the juicing. Since I worked and missed alot,

I had to see a doctor after 2 days off. My daughter who is a nurse knew

aN MD she said was different from most. When I was into this healing

crissis stage, I would see him and he would give me a note to stay off

several more days with bed rest. He certainly didn't understand what was

going on and neither did I at the time. He did tell me I would never get well

if I didn't eat meat or take several vitamins he recommended. I just

continued

with my juicing and barley green. It was later a friend gave me some tapes

by Charlotte Gerson and I realized the importance of bowel management

during all of this. Boy did that help!!! Fiberblend helps me too. One time

I was so nauseated that nothing helped and work was really hounding me.

I was lying on the sofa and prayed for help....immediately the thought of

taking the Fiberblend came to mind. This was so strange because I could

vision myself throwing it right back up but I took a small amount and in 15

min. I was much better. I continued this all day and went back to work a day

or 2 later. That doctor never tried to get me to take drugs or anything, just

monitered me. He was really a God send.

Yes....the depression. You are exactly right!! but it's a strange

depression.

For me it started with a slight ache in the liver area and then it made me

want

to withdraw from the world and a very down in the dumps feeling. Like there

was a line drawn from that area to my brain.

I felt jittery ans shakey like I was walking on a boat alot of times. Another

thing was yawning. It would start and I couldn't quit. It went on for hours

but it woud be better if I could lie down and not sit. Strange huh. I wish

I had kept a diary or something during all of this but it was just a sruggle

to try to work and be a half way decent wife. I had someone to clean

my house and do my laundry or else it wouldn't have gotten done.

I did all mu juicing etc. Took them to work everyday with raw fruit

because I couln't eat much else. Everyone thought I was nuts for not

consulting a doctor and they didn't understand natural health or

how the body heals. Even though my husband did not understand, he

still was good let me do it my way. He would always say...

do you want me to take you to the hospital?

Another thing that happened was my legs bent backwards and I couldn't

straighten them out. This lasted several hours. Then I would have

terrible hemmoroid problems. I also had headaches that would last

for days but later I found enemas really helped with that. One time I

couldn't sleep for 2 or 3 days. I was like on drugs....wide awake all

night then all day and then over again. I didn't become sleepy or even

doze, just up constantly but never feeling good enough to accomplish

anything during this time but I did have to go to work.

If I went to a place like Home Depot or any place that had chemicals, even

a nursery where chemicals or fertilizers were used, I immediately felt

terrible.

I gues it took me about 3 yrs to get to feeling much better. I don't think

I could have ever gotten to that point if I had not retired from my job.

It was very stressful and alot of chemicals in the building. Plus I set the

radio frequency and tested baords that go in wireless phones all

day. Since then I have read how much damage that does to one.

As soon as I retired I did get better but spent time outdoors and away

from stress.

I don't think I am well now. I still have times when I don't feel well.

I need to get back to the quart of juice aday and mostly raw food

along with the green phyto nutrients.

I recently pruchased a medical ozone machine and have been using that.

I really think it has helped me.

BTW means by the way.

How long have you been on the Gerson Therapy? You have a very wonderful

husband to take care of you. I did not have that. I can remember making

peppermint tea when I was so sick I thought I would just kill over. My poor

husband just did not know how to do those things plus he works many hours.

Do you have a diagnosed condition? Take care and if I can be of any help or

support, let me know!!!

Edith

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Hello !

I too have gone through what you're going through. Want you to know my thoughts

and prayers are with you. It is like a living hell, yes? But so very worth it

when one finally gets to the

" other side " . I still have to detox a lot for my health, and it still doesn't

feel good, but nothing like those first few. It sounds like you have an angel

in your life disguised as a

husband. Hang in there! :-) :-)

ken Takemoto wrote:

> Edith

>

> Hello my name is , and I am the one who could rip off someone's head

> off quicker than anyone. I am on the Gerson Therapy which includes

> drinking 13 glasses of freshly pressed vegetable and fruit juices, 3

> vegetarian meals, two coffee enemas each day, and a castor oil enema once a

> week.

>

> It's great to meet someone who has been through and recovered from a healing

> crisis because very few people can relate to eating healthier and then

> becoming deathly ill. My healing crisis begins with depression. Then it

> is followed by liver, kidney, lower back, and shoulders pain. Then it is

> difficult to sleep because the liver is so active, especially during the

> hours of 12am to 4am. This time, however, it was a little more extreme,

> but fortunately, I had some peppermint tea, oatmeal gruel , coffee

> enemas, and the support of my husband , the cook, nurse, and sounding board

> to help me recover from this healing crisis.

>

> What kind of illness were you treating? What kind of therapy were you on?

> And what other type of healing crisis did you have? How long did it take

> you to completely recover? And what is a BTW? I have read a lot about a

> castor oil pack but I have not tried one yet.

>

> Hope this finds you in good health

>

>

>

> Re: Your opinion please

>

> > In a message dated 04/29/2001 2:11:41 PM Central Daylight Time,

> > ejohns9525@... writes:

> >

> > << and it like a projectile around the bathroom >>

> > __________

> >

> > I meant ACROSS the bathroom and yes the anger. I am a very laid back

> > person but I could tell when my liveer was getting an overload. I could

> > rip ANYBODY's head right off their shoulder. Boy...she and I must have

> > the same system make up.

> >

> > Edith

> >

> >

> > Subscription email:

> > mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribe

> >

[Guest guest]

Need advice. My sister, her husband and her toddler are all getting baptised

next weekend. We've been invited but I've already laid the groundwork for not

going. I just don't know how smart it would be to take a five-week-old out of

town right now. Not only the car ride, which is about three and a half hours

each way, we'd probably have to stop at some point to feed and change a

screaming Kate.

But more importantly, I know Kate's acclimated to the germs in our house and

she gets some protection from family germs because of breastfeeding -- I make

those antibodies for her. But a different area, different people's houses,

two little kids (who got sick last time we were there), etc.

I don't want to miss the occasion, but it seems like a bad idea considering

Kate's so young and has no innoculations yet. She's STILL congested from

catching a cold at 10 days old. What would YOU do? I know, I'm really leading

the answer here but I do want an objective opinion.

(mom to Kate, born 9/19/02; and , age 3-1/2 -- currently has

polysaccharide antibody def, previously had transient IgG, IgA, t-cell &

other defs)

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,

If it were me, I'd go. I made longer trips with smaller babies and it went

fine. You may have to make arrangements to leave sooner and stop to nurse,

but I think it'll be fine. My babies usually slept in the car a great deal,

so traveling didn't bother us that much.

As for the germs, I don't know that I'd worry about it too much. Since

she's nursing, she should get most of her antibodies from you. You'll be

exposed to those same germs & make antibodies for them through the breast

milk which you can then pass on to her.

I don't think I'd worry about the congestion too much since you'd be

traveling by car. If you were flying, I'd be a little more concerned.

Ask you ped and see what they recommend. We made a trip to Houston (13+

hours from here) when Autumn was six weeks old. She got a cold anyway, but

I think that was the beginning of our PID adventure and had nothing to do

with the trip. Tabitha was the hard one in the car and she was two. . .try

entertaining a 2 year old for 13 hours in a car. . .not fun and glad I don't

have to repeat it.

Ray, mother to Tabitha (age 7), Autumn, age 4 (IgG def., asthma,

chronic sinusitis, and allergies), and Duncan (17 months)

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Stay home you sometimes our nuclear family is what we need to nurture.

Otherwise in my experience we pay for it later. BARBIE

[Guest guest]

I would not take a new baby that was sick.

If she is well by then and her ped okays it, ask yourself what you will

regret the least later and act on it.

If germs are your only concern, take your lysol spray and hand sanitizer

and stay at a hotel where you have more control over your environment (plus

maybe an in-door pool for , if she's up to it).

If you did get a sling for Kate, keep her in it when you are out and about

(even at your folks place, if anyone seems under the weather and can't - or

won't - keep their hands off of her). It is much harder for people to get

into the face of a baby when she is snuggled down against mommy, covered by

the sling. Or keep her in her car seat with the handle up and politely

tell well-wishers that due to her recent illness and newborn status the

doctor recommends that the baby not be handled by anyone outside of the

immediate family.

If and the baby are well, it boils down to a value call. Which

situation is more valuable - missing a precious family moment or keeping

the babies in a more protected environment. They are both important and

legitimate.

When all else fails, flip a coin. People used to tease me about being

indecisive when I'd do that, but sometimes I really didn't know what I

preferred. Flipping a coin helped clarify it for me. I suddenly realized

which was more important if it hit the " wrong " side, and I would choose to

do the other at that point. If I really didn't care one way or another, it

was a quick, effective way to get a decision. It might not work for

everybody, but it worked for me.

Keep us posted on everything.

God bless,

Wenoka

At 02:32 PM 10/16/2002 EDT, you wrote:

>Need advice. My sister, her husband and her toddler are all getting baptised

>next weekend. We've been invited but I've already laid the groundwork for

not

>going. I just don't know how smart it would be to take a five-week-old out

of

>town right now. Not only the car ride, which is about three and a half hours

>each way, we'd probably have to stop at some point to feed and change a

>screaming Kate.

>

>But more importantly, I know Kate's acclimated to the germs in our house and

>she gets some protection from family germs because of breastfeeding -- I

make

>those antibodies for her. But a different area, different people's houses,

>two little kids (who got sick last time we were there), etc.

>

>I don't want to miss the occasion, but it seems like a bad idea considering

>Kate's so young and has no innoculations yet. She's STILL congested from

>catching a cold at 10 days old. What would YOU do? I know, I'm really

leading

>the answer here but I do want an objective opinion.

>

> (mom to Kate, born 9/19/02; and , age 3-1/2 -- currently has

>polysaccharide antibody def, previously had transient IgG, IgA, t-cell &

>other defs)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Moody wrote: " Hi all, I've found that I seem to have cycles of

where I somehow acquires some 'friends' for a while, until I somehow

loose them due to something I didn't figure out correctly as being

the " correct " response to NTs. So I wrote the following, and would

like to get your opinions of it ... <snip> ... "

Hello, Chris. I read your poem and found it to be very poignant. I

was able to relate to what you had written because I have experienced

similar devastations.

Leo Buscaglia wrote: " A single rose can be my garden -- a single

friend, my world. " He is right. A true friend is rare indeed and all

of us are lucky if we truly find that true friend. Only occasionally

do you find more than one true friend but it is possible. You can,

however, develop a large circle of colleagues and/or acquaintances ...

people who think they know you but who do not really know you at all.

I read a lot and I always have. What others have said on various

subjects stays with me if I feel I, too, feel the same way on the

subject. I have always been one who was comfortable being alone and it

did not bother me very much over the years when I was alone. Being

alone can be good.

I once read that Albert Einstain said, " There are two ways to live

life, One is though nothing is a Miracle. The other is though

everything is a Miracle. " I agree with this and over the years, I have

grown a beautiful friendship with Nature and Mother Earth. They

understand me and I try to understand them.

I have a distant (proximity of the heart distant) female friend I have

known for nearly 25 years. I have a not-quite-as-distant male friend I

have known for slightly over 25 years. I have a somewhat-closer female

friend that I have known for 10 years.

But it has only been in the last couple years that I have found my best

friend.

Like you, I have watched the Cinderella Ball play out in various

renditions -- some more intense as in love relationships, some less

intense as in friendships -- and I was what many call a cynic ... a

devastated romantic who had been decimated once too often. But you

cannot give up.

When you find your best friend, you will know it. Your best friend

will be as devoted to the friendship as you and the friendship will

flourish and strengthen.

Raven

[Guest guest]

Moody wrote: " Hi all, I've found that I seem to have cycles of

where I somehow acquires some 'friends' for a while, until I somehow

loose them due to something I didn't figure out correctly as being

the " correct " response to NTs. So I wrote the following, and would

like to get your opinions of it ... <snip> ... "

Hello, Chris. I read your poem and found it to be very poignant. I

was able to relate to what you had written because I have experienced

similar devastations.

Leo Buscaglia wrote: " A single rose can be my garden -- a single

friend, my world. " He is right. A true friend is rare indeed and all

of us are lucky if we truly find that true friend. Only occasionally

do you find more than one true friend but it is possible. You can,

however, develop a large circle of colleagues and/or acquaintances ...

people who think they know you but who do not really know you at all.

I read a lot and I always have. What others have said on various

subjects stays with me if I feel I, too, feel the same way on the

subject. I have always been one who was comfortable being alone and it

did not bother me very much over the years when I was alone. Being

alone can be good.

I once read that Albert Einstain said, " There are two ways to live

life, One is though nothing is a Miracle. The other is though

everything is a Miracle. " I agree with this and over the years, I have

grown a beautiful friendship with Nature and Mother Earth. They

understand me and I try to understand them.

I have a distant (proximity of the heart distant) female friend I have

known for nearly 25 years. I have a not-quite-as-distant male friend I

have known for slightly over 25 years. I have a somewhat-closer female

friend that I have known for 10 years.

But it has only been in the last couple years that I have found my best

friend.

Like you, I have watched the Cinderella Ball play out in various

renditions -- some more intense as in love relationships, some less

intense as in friendships -- and I was what many call a cynic ... a

devastated romantic who had been decimated once too often. But you

cannot give up.

When you find your best friend, you will know it. Your best friend

will be as devoted to the friendship as you and the friendship will

flourish and strengthen.

Raven