To Karma re: colon cleansing

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In a message dated 8/3/01 12:05:25 PM Central Daylight Time, vkyama@...

writes:

<<

That is a great story. Congratulations! When I did the Sonnes

Cleanse and all the vegetable and fruit juice fasting >>

Hello all,

I just recently joined the group. Could someone give me some info on the

vegetable and fruit juice fasting? I saw on a web site something about a

lemonade diet, but haven't been able to find any info on it.

I've been trying to gear myself and my family towards a healthier way of

living, and begun to notice subtle changes in my digestive tract as a result

of eliminating various foods and chemicals. I have found that now, I can

immediately tell when something " not healthy " has entered my body, and in the

worst cases, I felt the objectionable material for 2 days as it worked it's

way thru my body....YUCK!! (and ouch!)

While I'm at it, I'll introduce myself, since I'm usually a lurker unless I

have a question..My name is and I'm a sahm to 2 little girls. As you

can tell by the screen name, I love to bake and cook. I hope to get to know

this group and learn a lot from ya'll. =0) TIA

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In a message dated 08/03/2001 12:30:03 PM Central Daylight Time,

Got2bake@... writes:

> I just recently joined the group. Could someone give me some info on the

> vegetable and fruit juice fasting? I saw on a web site something about a

> lemonade diet, but haven't been able to find any info on it.

>

I know everyone will not subscribe to this but it does give info on juicing.

Vegetable and Fruit Juices

The premise of Dr. Norman W. in writing Fresh Vegetable & Fruit Juices

is that the primary cause of nearly every sickness and disease is the

deficiency of vital organic minerals, vitamins and enzymes in our diet. Then,

Dr. asks, " How can we most readily furnish our body with the elements

needed? " The answer is the book's title itself, Fresh Vegetable & Fruit Juices

, and you may find it incredible what was known by Dr. as early as

1936, when this book was written. The fact that Dr. lived to be over

100 and wrote his last book when he was over a century may be considered as

evidence that he knew his subject matter pretty well.

He was seriously ill in his early 40’s when he was convinced to go the

natural health route. He went on to practically invent carrot juice and the

concept of healing with fresh vegetable and fruit juices. " Except for

accidents, all the repair and regeneration of our body must come from

within, " Dr. writes. " If the blood stream, cells and tissues, organs,

glands and all the rest of the body does not contain these elements in their

proper proportion, or if any of these elements is deficient, then the body is

out of balance and the condition develops which is known as Toxemia, and

Toxemia means just plain poison. " In order to regain and maintain the proper

balance of health, most of the food we eat must contain live, vital, organic

elements.

These elements are found in fresh-raw vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds, " he

adds. The Earth and its waters are full of minerals, but the only source we

have of organic minerals and organic water that our body can assimilate is

plant life. " The rays of the sun send billions of atoms into plant life,

activating the enzymes and by this force they change inorganic elements into

organic or life-containing elements for food, " Dr. writes. The

advantage in juicing vegetables is that this process separates the living,

vital, organic minerals, vitamins, and distilled water from the fiber (pulp).

With the fiber removed, our body can assimilate these vital nutrients in

liquid form in about 10 to 15 minutes, Dr. writes.

Fiber has no nutritional content, requires several hours -- and considerable

energy -- for digestion, and some deterioration of nutrients occurs before

food reaches our cells. Dr. emphasizes, however, that fiber is an

important element in our diet, because it acts as an " intestinal broom " as it

travels through our stomach, duodenum, 25 feet of small intestine and colon.

This fiber should be obtained by eating a good quantity of raw fruits and

vegetables. Once food is cooked, this fiber turns to a mush that leaves a

coat of slime on the walls of our intestines, which can putrefy and cause

Toxemia, a sluggish colon, constipation, colitis, diverticulosis and other

problems, Dr. writes.

Once food is cooked, its oxygen (a vital element) is lost, enzymes are

destroyed " and most of the vital force needed for nourishment is dissipated …

One can eat four or five big meals a day, and yet the body may be starved

through the lack of the vital elements in the food and the disturbance of the

enzyme balance. " Dr. notes, " As a rule it will do no great harm to

occasionally eat a little cooked food, but never fried food, provided that a

sufficient quantity of raw food is also eaten. " And he recommends a

vegetarian, non-dairy diet. Clearly a physician ahead of his time, Dr.

warned nearly 60 years ago that hope for finding a cause and cure of cancer

" does not lie in the field of fantastic speculation and destructive research

by means of uncontrollable radium experiments, but rather in the deficiency

of life in the atoms of the food we eat. " I

n addition to ruling out cooked food as a source of anything vital for the

body, Dr. notes the limitations of medical drugs: " There is not a drug

in the world that will supply the blood stream with anything in a way in

which the body can use it for permanent repair or regeneration. " This

regeneration must come from within the body , and Dr. states vegetable

juices are the best source of the nutrients needed for regeneration. Even in

1936, Dr. said results of Juice Therapy " in helping the body recover

from nearly every disturbance or ailment, have been almost phenomenal the

world over...

Today, any person not familiar with the nutritional and recuperative value of

fresh vegetable and fruit juices is woefully uninformed. " He notes, " Fruit

juices are the cleansers of the human system …Vegetable juices are the

builders and regenerators of the body. They contain all the amino acids,

minerals, salts, enzymes, and vitamins needed by the human body, provided

that they are used fresh, raw, and without preservatives, and that they have

been properly extracted from the vegetables. " Dr. advises, " Just as

long as we include a variety of vegetables in our food combinations, we need

not fret or worry about obtaining all the minerals and Vitamins we are trying

to furnish our body. "

Nonetheless, Fresh Vegetable & Fruit Juices offers an exhaustive listing of

fruit and vegetable juices, detailing the specific amounts of 21 different

elements, vitamins and minerals contained by each fruit and vegetable. The

book also includes a list of 87 different juice formulas, and in cooperation

with Dr. R.D. Pope, M.D., Dr. (a Doctor of Science) lists 155

ailments, with one or more of the 87 juice formulas recommended for the

treatment of each ailment. Much information is presented about the specific

values of different vegetable and fruit juices. For example, carrot juice is

referred to as " the richest source of Vitamin A which the body can quickly

assimilate, " and it also offers an ample supply of other vitamins and

minerals. Because of Vitamin A's benefit to the moist lining of our various

membranes, carrot juice " helps prevent infections of the eyes and throat as

well as the tonsils and sinuses and the respiratory organs generally. "

Because of its high calcium content, carrot juice is valuable in the

improvement and maintenance of bones and teeth. " One pint of carrot juice,

daily, has more constructive body value than 25 pounds of calcium tablets, "

he notes. Like all minerals, calcium must be in an organic (living) form to

be assimilable by our body.

He warns that a calcium deficiency can result from drinking pasteurized cow's

milk, and that this form of calcium " is just as inorganic as that used in

making cement. " It can't be used by the body, and ends up forming kidney

stones, gall stones, hemorrhoids or tumors, he warns. As for " foods " such as

candy, soft drinks and ice cream, Dr. notes, " The human digestive

processes were never intended by Nature to be called upon to convert these

so-called foods into nourishment for the cells and tissues of the body. The

result of using them is apparent in the degeneration of the human system...

To consider the brief span of two or three score years as constituting

old-age is nothing less than a downright insult to Nature and to our Creator.

It is a shameful admission that we do not know how to live and have not taken

the trouble to learn the first principles of regenerating our body. It is a

confession that we eat ourselves into the grave by catering to our appetites. "

© 2001 Hallelujah Acres, http://www.hallelujah acres.com

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In a message dated 8/3/01 1:23:39 PM Central Daylight Time,

karma@... writes:

<<

The " Lemonade Diet " or " Master Cleanse is located on this web site.

http://home.online.no/~dusan/cleanse/bowel/master_cleanse.html

>>

Thanks for the replies,now I'm curious as to what ya'll think about the diet

and it's results.Has anyone tried it? TIA =0)

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Karma,

That is a great story. Congratulations! When I did the Sonnes

Cleanse and all the vegetable and fruit juice fasting beforehand, I

lost the blubbery part of my thighs and butt. I was doing the

Tibeters at the time too (am doing them now again) and saw how all of

me firmed up differently than any other time. Any exercising

(aerobics, machines, and walking) I did before didn't do what bowel

cleansing and juice fasting did.

The Super Colon Cleanse is also available at GNC. No one at HEB ever

got back to me on it...

I wonder what the difference between all these products are. I don't

think the SCC has anit-parasite ingredients in it. I am curious as

to what you would suggest. I don't want to do anymore fasting, nor

do I want to use the Sonnes as it absorbs vitamins. Yet I want to

get out more plaque and ropes if I can, along with parasites. My

eyes are so much clearer again without all that cottage cheese that I

am motivated to do this til the end d:-)in an easier fashion. Any

suggestions? FiberBlend, Awareness...????

Thanks,

> I thought this might be a good time to start a new thread, give the

list

> something else to talk about. For those of you who have been on

the list

> for a while, this is a re-post of my cleansing experiences. For

those of

> you who are new, this is my story.

>

> I have been cleansing since around 1979. I first started with the

Sonne's

> Brand cleanse, since that the cleanse that was recommended to me by

a friend

> who had just gotten it from her Naturopath. I used to do this

cleanse twice

> a year, but after getting married, I just got busy and forgot about

it. I

> have always been into prevention. So, that is why I did the

Sonne's cleanse

> twice a year. I only have one body and wanted to take good care of

it. I

> had read a book once, I can't remember the name, but it was on colon

> cleansing. In the book, it said that Mae West did an enema every

morning.

> She said that is why her skin was so beautiful. I believed it and

did that

> too. Like I said before, until I got married and my time schedule

changed.

>

> Last year about this same time I turned the computer off for a

month to take

> time for me. I had gotten to busy with computer things, and just

took a

> vacation from it. Following is the post I posted last year to the

list.

>

> ------------------------

>

> This is how I did the colon/parasite cleanse. I will do my best to

> re-create what I did. I am a very creative person, so, it is hard

for me to

> repeat what I do, but this is my best attempt.

>

> This is what started it all for me, for personal reasons I took

some time

> off the Internet for about a month. I didn't realize that I spent

so much

> time on the computer until I turned it off for the month. I

decided to

> focus on me and really put forth an effort to achieve my weight

loss goals.

> It seemed to me that my main problem was my sugar addiction. I

have been a

> vegetarian for almost 20 years, 10 of those years no animal flesh

at all; I

> have added fish back into my diet. I have been interested in

health issues

> for about the same amount of time. I had tried the Atkins diet,

but that

> was hard when I would only eat eggs, fish, cheese, cream,

mushrooms, onions,

> and some odd veggies. I refuse to consume artificial sweeteners of

any

> kind, only honey and plain sugar. I at least know what these two

do to my

> body; I have no idea what those chemical concoctions really do! I

think

> that I lasted on that eating plan for about two weeks until I just

couldn't

> stand it any more. I tried many, many plans such as Eat for your

Type; I'm

> type A, Carb Addicts, that didn't work for the same reason that

Atkins didn'

> t work. I tried the Zone, which worked the best for me of all of

them. Yet,

> it wasn't the answer. I tried the 5-day miracle diet. That worked

for a

> while, and then got old. I was happy with " Breaking out of Food

Jail " for a

> while, then that fell short too. I finally decided that I was

tired of

> fixing the symptoms and decided to give the cause some serious

thought!

> That is when I decided that there was some reason that I couldn't

control my

> sugar cravings. I'm talking serious cravings that would be socially

> embarrassing for my friends to see how much I consumed! I'm

talking the

> whole cake; the whole batch of cookie dough, the entire bag of

M & M's and it

> would be the party pak too! I actually treat sugar like it is a

drug in my

> home. I watch my kids like a hawk so they don't have the same

problem as

> me. I thought there should be some kind of 12-step program or

something, or

> meetings I could go to. Hi, my name is Karma, and I'm a sugar

junkie!

> LOL!

>

> I remembered in college when I didn't have a weight problem and

went over

> how my life was then and how it is different now. I was looking

for the

> cause, not just band-aids! It occurred to me that my colon worked

much

> better then, I wasn't sure if it was because I was much more active

then, or

> what. I was pretty sure it wasn't my diet because that hadn't

changed all

> that much. Hard to believe that I had been eating like this for so

long yet

> remained in pretty good health, I'm referring to the sugar

problem. I also

> remembered that I used to do a colon cleanse at least twice a year

that a

> friend had told me about. She learned of it from her Naturopath.

So, that

> is what I decided to do. I also remembered that after doing the

colon

> cleanse that I didn't have the sugar cravings for at least a month

following

> the cleanse. I figured that in a month, I could surely deal with

my way of

> eating. That was my plan and so I proceeded.

>

> The cleanse that I did was the Sonne's 7 day colon cleanse, I

purchased the

> 7 day kit, plus two optional items. The #2 Calphonite, which is a

liquid

> calcium supplement which I added to the water I used to take the

pills, and

> the #18 beet tablets, which I took two of 4 or 5 times a day when I

took the

> other pills. This is a link to my site where you can find the

directions and

> buy it for 25% off retail if you want. http://loaves-n-

fishes.com/sonnes.htm

> This cleanse can be purchased at most health food stores. Not

GNC's but

> health food stores. I followed the directions for the cleanse

exactly, no

> eating! This cleanse is a fasting cleanse meaning no food, just the

> supplements that come with the cleanse. A person is not starving

on this

> cleanse. It is designed to let the major organs rest so that they

can

> release the toxins that are stored in the organs. The body is being

> nourished by the supplements that are taken 4 or 5 times a day.

The stomach

> is actually able to rest and throw off its toxins too. To find

out what a

> person might expect to occur to them while doing a cleanse you

might read

> the article called, " Don't Fight the Healing Crisis " on this page

> http://loaves-n-fishes.com/downloads.htm. This article is very

helpful for

> people who are not sure what to expect on a cleanse and to answer

questions

> as to why many people feel worse the first few days of a cleanse.

I found

> that my body takes 3 days for the digestive system to switch from

digesting

> to cleansing mode. During that time, life was miserable. I tell

people that

> if they can make it through the first three days, then, they can

make it

> through the first trimester of pregnancy! Yes, the symptoms that I

went

> through were just like that only it seemed more intense. I was

exhausted

> and just wanted to sleep my life a way for these first three days.

I was

> irritable. I was nauseated just like being seasick, car sick, or

having

> morning sickness. Life was pretty miserable during this first

three days.

> I had done it before and knew that I could make it for three days

and day

> four I would feel better than before. A lot of people are not able

to make

> it through the first three days because of the healing crisis. Not

me, I

> just do it! I know that I am going to come out the other side a

much

> healthier person, so, I just put up with my body-cleaning house.

>

> I don't know if enemas are necessary, but, I decided that I wanted

to get

> the debris out of my colon so that my body had to go into the fat

reserves

> if it wanted more nutrition than that provided by the supplements

on the

> cleanse. So, I did enemas each evening. My thinking was that I

was going

> to do them until the water ran clean. I used a regular 2 qt. Enema

bag and

> inserted the hose as high as was comfortable and held it as long as

possible

> while massaging my colon. I learned how to massage my colon from

this site.

> http://www.colema-boards.com/instruct_video.htm I think that this

site also

> shows some of the black ropey stuff that comes out during the

cleanse. It

> is amazing how much stuff comes out compared to the amount going

in. I also

> learned to put a colander in the toilet to see what was coming out

and

> examine it for parasites. I decided to do the coffee enemas to

also cleanse

> the liver. So, I brewed up at least three big pots of regular

coffee, not

> de-caf. I made them during the day so that they were cool enough

to use

> each evening. I then used the coffee full strength followed by

water until

> the water ran clean. I have now discovered that I probably should

have done

> it in the reverse order and done the water first until it ran

clean, then

> did the coffee and retained it for at least 15 minutes. That isn't

how I

> did it though. The fourth day, I switched from coffee enemas to

garlic

> enemas to start killing parasites that are harmful. I did the

first seven

> day cleanse, then ate fresh fruits and veggies for three days, then

went

> back on another 7 day cleanse. It was during this second cleanse

that

> someone pointed out to me that I wasn't killing parasites as well

as I

> could, so, it was at this point that I added black walnut to my

daily

> routine. On day four, I started drinking a cup of apple juice

before taking

> the psyllium/bentonite mixture, plus I started taking my

psyllium/bentonite

> mixture mixed with apple juice. Then about ½ hour later, I took 4

or 5

> capsules of black walnut. I did this 4 or 5 times a day for the

remainder

> of the cleanse. The next day, I started passing lots and lots of

worms. I

> continued to pass them for about two weeks! It was at this point

that I

> discovered that what I had done was only kill the parasites in the

colon and

> that they would probably come back in a couple of weeks when the

unhatched

> eggs developed. So, that is when I found the Awareness products.

>

> I was also looking for a program to use to follow up and maintain

my losses,

> I knew that the Sonne's cleanse had not taught my colon to work

correctly,

> so, I needed a follow up plan. That is when I started on the

Awareness,

> Cleanse and Rebuild Starter Pak. It is a 90-day cleanse and it is

supposed

> to kill parasites anywhere the blood goes in the body, microscopic

and ones

> that can be seen. I did the seven day colon digestive cleanse like

they

> suggest when starting their cleanse. This cleanse is an easy one

actually.

> It involves taking a few capsules each evening before bed, which I

actually

> take as a tea. Then in the morning, take a tsp to a tablespoon of

the

> liquid on an empty stomach. That is all there is to it, pretty

easy to do.

> They suggest that a person cuts out caffeine and greasy foods to

get better

> results. For more directions on how to do take the Awareness

products see

> this page http://loaves-n-fishes.com/downloads.htm After the 7 day

cleanse,

> I added the parasite killing product and within three days had

passed even

> more yucky stuff including what I believe to be a huge fish tape

worm. I am

> also pleased that the product called Experience seems to be helping

my body

> heal itself. My colon is working correctly now. I started taking

quite a

> bit of this product to get my colon to move. I think I was taking 6

> capsules in tea each evening. Then at lunch about an hour after

lunch, I

> would take another two capsules as tea. I have now been able to

reduce the

> amount I am taking down to 4 capsules each evening in tea and none

during

> the day. I expect to be able to reduce it more pretty soon. This

product

> is helping my colon to re-learn how to work properly on its own.

>

> I am currently doing the Awareness Cleanse and Rebuild Program

along with my

> LifeLift breathing program for exercise. If you are interested in

more

> about LifeLift, that can be found at http://www.lifelift.com

> <http://www.lifelift.com/> I am finding this combination is

working very

> well for me at this point in time.

>

> That is how I lost 35 pounds in a month! I have maintained it and

am

> actually still losing on my current program.

>

> Sincerely,

> ~Karma

> http://loaves-n-fishes.com <http://loaves-n-fishes.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 8/3/01 12:05:19 PM Central Daylight Time, vkyama@...

writes:

<<

The Super Colon Cleanse is also available at GNC. No one at HEB ever

got back to me on it...

I wonder what the difference between all these products are. I don't

think the SCC has anit-parasite ingredients in it. >>

/x/x/x/x/x/ Here, the Super Colon Cleanse is priced almost double at Gnc,

over the same product at HEB. But in truth, I would pay lots more for it if

I had to. As for me, I simply take cayenne, blackwalnut hull, clove, and

wormwood supplements for the antiparasitic effects.

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In a message dated 8/3/01 1:50:48 PM Central Daylight Time,

btravers777@... writes:

<< PS If anyone out there eats sun flower seeds, DON'T!

they get impacted in the curve of the colon and will

cause alot of discomfort and symptoms...

>>

I cannot believe I had a mouthful of sunflower seeds when I came upon this

post!!!! Please explain why sunflower seeds, moreso than anything else one

eats, would get impacted in the curve of the colon? Not doubting, just

wanting to learn. Thanks,

[Guest guest]

,

I have done Awareness for four months, it is a good program. But, the only

program that I have done that gets the ropes out for me is the Sonne's

program.

Right now, my current colon program is one I like. I take 1-2 tsp. of

Homozon, which I totally despise the taste of, but do it anyway. Then in

the morning, I do the Master Cleanse Salt Wash. 2 tsp. Celtic-Sea Salt in 1

quart of water.

~Karma

http://loaves-n-fishes.com

http://www.karma.awarenesshealth.com

To Karma re: colon cleansing

Karma,

That is a great story. Congratulations! When I did the Sonnes

Cleanse and all the vegetable and fruit juice fasting beforehand, I

lost the blubbery part of my thighs and butt. I was doing the

Tibeters at the time too (am doing them now again) and saw how all of

me firmed up differently than any other time. Any exercising

(aerobics, machines, and walking) I did before didn't do what bowel

cleansing and juice fasting did.

The Super Colon Cleanse is also available at GNC. No one at HEB ever

got back to me on it...

I wonder what the difference between all these products are. I don't

think the SCC has anit-parasite ingredients in it. I am curious as

to what you would suggest. I don't want to do anymore fasting, nor

do I want to use the Sonnes as it absorbs vitamins. Yet I want to

get out more plaque and ropes if I can, along with parasites. My

eyes are so much clearer again without all that cottage cheese that I

am motivated to do this til the end d:-)in an easier fashion. Any

suggestions? FiberBlend, Awareness...????

Thanks,

> I thought this might be a good time to start a new thread, give the

list

> something else to talk about. For those of you who have been on

the list

> for a while, this is a re-post of my cleansing experiences. For

those of

> you who are new, this is my story.

>

> I have been cleansing since around 1979. I first started with the

Sonne's

> Brand cleanse, since that the cleanse that was recommended to me by

a friend

> who had just gotten it from her Naturopath. I used to do this

cleanse twice

> a year, but after getting married, I just got busy and forgot about

it. I

> have always been into prevention. So, that is why I did the

Sonne's cleanse

> twice a year. I only have one body and wanted to take good care of

it. I

> had read a book once, I can't remember the name, but it was on colon

> cleansing. In the book, it said that Mae West did an enema every

morning.

> She said that is why her skin was so beautiful. I believed it and

did that

> too. Like I said before, until I got married and my time schedule

changed.

>

> Last year about this same time I turned the computer off for a

month to take

> time for me. I had gotten to busy with computer things, and just

took a

> vacation from it. Following is the post I posted last year to the

list.

>

> ------------------------

>

> This is how I did the colon/parasite cleanse. I will do my best to

> re-create what I did. I am a very creative person, so, it is hard

for me to

> repeat what I do, but this is my best attempt.

>

> This is what started it all for me, for personal reasons I took

some time

> off the Internet for about a month. I didn't realize that I spent

so much

> time on the computer until I turned it off for the month. I

decided to

> focus on me and really put forth an effort to achieve my weight

loss goals.

> It seemed to me that my main problem was my sugar addiction. I

have been a

> vegetarian for almost 20 years, 10 of those years no animal flesh

at all; I

> have added fish back into my diet. I have been interested in

health issues

> for about the same amount of time. I had tried the Atkins diet,

but that

> was hard when I would only eat eggs, fish, cheese, cream,

mushrooms, onions,

> and some odd veggies. I refuse to consume artificial sweeteners of

any

> kind, only honey and plain sugar. I at least know what these two

do to my

> body; I have no idea what those chemical concoctions really do! I

think

> that I lasted on that eating plan for about two weeks until I just

couldn't

> stand it any more. I tried many, many plans such as Eat for your

Type; I'm

> type A, Carb Addicts, that didn't work for the same reason that

Atkins didn'

> t work. I tried the Zone, which worked the best for me of all of

them. Yet,

> it wasn't the answer. I tried the 5-day miracle diet. That worked

for a

> while, and then got old. I was happy with " Breaking out of Food

Jail " for a

> while, then that fell short too. I finally decided that I was

tired of

> fixing the symptoms and decided to give the cause some serious

thought!

> That is when I decided that there was some reason that I couldn't

control my

> sugar cravings. I'm talking serious cravings that would be socially

> embarrassing for my friends to see how much I consumed! I'm

talking the

> whole cake; the whole batch of cookie dough, the entire bag of

M & M's and it

> would be the party pak too! I actually treat sugar like it is a

drug in my

> home. I watch my kids like a hawk so they don't have the same

problem as

> me. I thought there should be some kind of 12-step program or

something, or

> meetings I could go to. Hi, my name is Karma, and I'm a sugar

junkie!

> LOL!

>

> I remembered in college when I didn't have a weight problem and

went over

> how my life was then and how it is different now. I was looking

for the

> cause, not just band-aids! It occurred to me that my colon worked

much

> better then, I wasn't sure if it was because I was much more active

then, or

> what. I was pretty sure it wasn't my diet because that hadn't

changed all

> that much. Hard to believe that I had been eating like this for so

long yet

> remained in pretty good health, I'm referring to the sugar

problem. I also

> remembered that I used to do a colon cleanse at least twice a year

that a

> friend had told me about. She learned of it from her Naturopath.

So, that

> is what I decided to do. I also remembered that after doing the

colon

> cleanse that I didn't have the sugar cravings for at least a month

following

> the cleanse. I figured that in a month, I could surely deal with

my way of

> eating. That was my plan and so I proceeded.

>

> The cleanse that I did was the Sonne's 7 day colon cleanse, I

purchased the

> 7 day kit, plus two optional items. The #2 Calphonite, which is a

liquid

> calcium supplement which I added to the water I used to take the

pills, and

> the #18 beet tablets, which I took two of 4 or 5 times a day when I

took the

> other pills. This is a link to my site where you can find the

directions and

> buy it for 25% off retail if you want. http://loaves-n-

fishes.com/sonnes.htm

> This cleanse can be purchased at most health food stores. Not

GNC's but

> health food stores. I followed the directions for the cleanse

exactly, no

> eating! This cleanse is a fasting cleanse meaning no food, just the

> supplements that come with the cleanse. A person is not starving

on this

> cleanse. It is designed to let the major organs rest so that they

can

> release the toxins that are stored in the organs. The body is being

> nourished by the supplements that are taken 4 or 5 times a day.

The stomach

> is actually able to rest and throw off its toxins too. To find

out what a

> person might expect to occur to them while doing a cleanse you

might read

> the article called, " Don't Fight the Healing Crisis " on this page

> http://loaves-n-fishes.com/downloads.htm. This article is very

helpful for

> people who are not sure what to expect on a cleanse and to answer

questions

> as to why many people feel worse the first few days of a cleanse.

I found

> that my body takes 3 days for the digestive system to switch from

digesting

> to cleansing mode. During that time, life was miserable. I tell

people that

> if they can make it through the first three days, then, they can

make it

> through the first trimester of pregnancy! Yes, the symptoms that I

went

> through were just like that only it seemed more intense. I was

exhausted

> and just wanted to sleep my life a way for these first three days.

I was

> irritable. I was nauseated just like being seasick, car sick, or

having

> morning sickness. Life was pretty miserable during this first

three days.

> I had done it before and knew that I could make it for three days

and day

> four I would feel better than before. A lot of people are not able

to make

> it through the first three days because of the healing crisis. Not

me, I

> just do it! I know that I am going to come out the other side a

much

> healthier person, so, I just put up with my body-cleaning house.

>

> I don't know if enemas are necessary, but, I decided that I wanted

to get

> the debris out of my colon so that my body had to go into the fat

reserves

> if it wanted more nutrition than that provided by the supplements

on the

> cleanse. So, I did enemas each evening. My thinking was that I

was going

> to do them until the water ran clean. I used a regular 2 qt. Enema

bag and

> inserted the hose as high as was comfortable and held it as long as

possible

> while massaging my colon. I learned how to massage my colon from

this site.

> http://www.colema-boards.com/instruct_video.htm I think that this

site also

> shows some of the black ropey stuff that comes out during the

cleanse. It

> is amazing how much stuff comes out compared to the amount going

in. I also

> learned to put a colander in the toilet to see what was coming out

and

> examine it for parasites. I decided to do the coffee enemas to

also cleanse

> the liver. So, I brewed up at least three big pots of regular

coffee, not

> de-caf. I made them during the day so that they were cool enough

to use

> each evening. I then used the coffee full strength followed by

water until

> the water ran clean. I have now discovered that I probably should

have done

> it in the reverse order and done the water first until it ran

clean, then

> did the coffee and retained it for at least 15 minutes. That isn't

how I

> did it though. The fourth day, I switched from coffee enemas to

garlic

> enemas to start killing parasites that are harmful. I did the

first seven

> day cleanse, then ate fresh fruits and veggies for three days, then

went

> back on another 7 day cleanse. It was during this second cleanse

that

> someone pointed out to me that I wasn't killing parasites as well

as I

> could, so, it was at this point that I added black walnut to my

daily

> routine. On day four, I started drinking a cup of apple juice

before taking

> the psyllium/bentonite mixture, plus I started taking my

psyllium/bentonite

> mixture mixed with apple juice. Then about ½ hour later, I took 4

or 5

> capsules of black walnut. I did this 4 or 5 times a day for the

remainder

> of the cleanse. The next day, I started passing lots and lots of

worms. I

> continued to pass them for about two weeks! It was at this point

that I

> discovered that what I had done was only kill the parasites in the

colon and

> that they would probably come back in a couple of weeks when the

unhatched

> eggs developed. So, that is when I found the Awareness products.

>

> I was also looking for a program to use to follow up and maintain

my losses,

> I knew that the Sonne's cleanse had not taught my colon to work

correctly,

> so, I needed a follow up plan. That is when I started on the

Awareness,

> Cleanse and Rebuild Starter Pak. It is a 90-day cleanse and it is

supposed

> to kill parasites anywhere the blood goes in the body, microscopic

and ones

> that can be seen. I did the seven day colon digestive cleanse like

they

> suggest when starting their cleanse. This cleanse is an easy one

actually.

> It involves taking a few capsules each evening before bed, which I

actually

> take as a tea. Then in the morning, take a tsp to a tablespoon of

the

> liquid on an empty stomach. That is all there is to it, pretty

easy to do.

> They suggest that a person cuts out caffeine and greasy foods to

get better

> results. For more directions on how to do take the Awareness

products see

> this page http://loaves-n-fishes.com/downloads.htm After the 7 day

cleanse,

> I added the parasite killing product and within three days had

passed even

> more yucky stuff including what I believe to be a huge fish tape

worm. I am

> also pleased that the product called Experience seems to be helping

my body

> heal itself. My colon is working correctly now. I started taking

quite a

> bit of this product to get my colon to move. I think I was taking 6

> capsules in tea each evening. Then at lunch about an hour after

lunch, I

> would take another two capsules as tea. I have now been able to

reduce the

> amount I am taking down to 4 capsules each evening in tea and none

during

> the day. I expect to be able to reduce it more pretty soon. This

product

> is helping my colon to re-learn how to work properly on its own.

>

> I am currently doing the Awareness Cleanse and Rebuild Program

along with my

> LifeLift breathing program for exercise. If you are interested in

more

> about LifeLift, that can be found at http://www.lifelift.com

> <http://www.lifelift.com/> I am finding this combination is

working very

> well for me at this point in time.

>

> That is how I lost 35 pounds in a month! I have maintained it and

am

> actually still losing on my current program.

>

> Sincerely,

> ~Karma

> http://loaves-n-fishes.com <http://loaves-n-fishes.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The " Lemonade Diet " or " Master Cleanse is located on this web site.

http://home.online.no/~dusan/cleanse/bowel/master_cleanse.html

~Karma

http://loaves-n-fishes.com

http://www.karma.awarenesshealth.com

Re: To Karma re: colon cleansing

In a message dated 8/3/01 12:05:25 PM Central Daylight Time,

vkyama@...

writes:

<<

That is a great story. Congratulations! When I did the Sonnes

Cleanse and all the vegetable and fruit juice fasting >>

Hello all,

I just recently joined the group. Could someone give me some info on the

vegetable and fruit juice fasting? I saw on a web site something about a

lemonade diet, but haven't been able to find any info on it.

I've been trying to gear myself and my family towards a healthier way of

living, and begun to notice subtle changes in my digestive tract as a

result

of eliminating various foods and chemicals. I have found that now, I can

immediately tell when something " not healthy " has entered my body, and in

the

worst cases, I felt the objectionable material for 2 days as it worked

it's

way thru my body....YUCK!! (and ouch!)

While I'm at it, I'll introduce myself, since I'm usually a lurker unless

I

have a question..My name is and I'm a sahm to 2 little girls. As

you

can tell by the screen name, I love to bake and cook. I hope to get to

know

this group and learn a lot from ya'll. =0) TIA

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Has anyone ever tried Castor Oil? My mom use to use

this and said it works every time...Personally I think

a cleansing of the colon every 6 months should help

with alot of ailments and rid you of most inpacted

stuff.

PS If anyone out there eats sun flower seeds, DON'T!

they get impacted in the curve of the colon and will

cause alot of discomfort and symptoms...

BT

--- Karma Tucker <karma@...> wrote:

> ,

> I have done Awareness for four months, it is a good

> program. But, the only

> program that I have done that gets the ropes out for

> me is the Sonne's

> program.

>

> Right now, my current colon program is one I like.

> I take 1-2 tsp. of

> Homozon, which I totally despise the taste of, but

> do it anyway. Then in

> the morning, I do the Master Cleanse Salt Wash. 2

> tsp. Celtic-Sea Salt in 1

> quart of water.

>

> ~Karma

> http://loaves-n-fishes.com

> http://www.karma.awarenesshealth.com

> To Karma re: colon

> cleansing

>

>

> Karma,

>

> That is a great story. Congratulations! When I

> did the Sonnes

> Cleanse and all the vegetable and fruit juice

> fasting beforehand, I

> lost the blubbery part of my thighs and butt. I

> was doing the

> Tibeters at the time too (am doing them now again)

> and saw how all of

> me firmed up differently than any other time. Any

> exercising

> (aerobics, machines, and walking) I did before

> didn't do what bowel

> cleansing and juice fasting did.

>

> The Super Colon Cleanse is also available at GNC.

> No one at HEB ever

> got back to me on it...

>

> I wonder what the difference between all these

> products are. I don't

> think the SCC has anit-parasite ingredients in it.

> I am curious as

> to what you would suggest. I don't want to do

> anymore fasting, nor

> do I want to use the Sonnes as it absorbs

> vitamins. Yet I want to

> get out more plaque and ropes if I can, along with

> parasites. My

> eyes are so much clearer again without all that

> cottage cheese that I

> am motivated to do this til the end d:-)in an

> easier fashion. Any

> suggestions? FiberBlend, Awareness...????

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

> > I thought this might be a good time to start a

> new thread, give the

> list

> > something else to talk about. For those of you

> who have been on

> the list

> > for a while, this is a re-post of my cleansing

> experiences. For

> those of

> > you who are new, this is my story.

> >

> > I have been cleansing since around 1979. I

> first started with the

> Sonne's

> > Brand cleanse, since that the cleanse that was

> recommended to me by

> a friend

> > who had just gotten it from her Naturopath. I

> used to do this

> cleanse twice

> > a year, but after getting married, I just got

> busy and forgot about

> it. I

> > have always been into prevention. So, that is

> why I did the

> Sonne's cleanse

> > twice a year. I only have one body and wanted

> to take good care of

> it. I

> > had read a book once, I can't remember the name,

> but it was on colon

> > cleansing. In the book, it said that Mae West

> did an enema every

> morning.

> > She said that is why her skin was so beautiful.

> I believed it and

> did that

> > too. Like I said before, until I got married

> and my time schedule

> changed.

> >

> > Last year about this same time I turned the

> computer off for a

> month to take

> > time for me. I had gotten to busy with computer

> things, and just

> took a

> > vacation from it. Following is the post I

> posted last year to the

> list.

> >

> > ------------------------

> >

> > This is how I did the colon/parasite cleanse. I

> will do my best to

> > re-create what I did. I am a very creative

> person, so, it is hard

> for me to

> > repeat what I do, but this is my best attempt.

> >

> > This is what started it all for me, for personal

> reasons I took

> some time

> > off the Internet for about a month. I didn't

> realize that I spent

> so much

> > time on the computer until I turned it off for

> the month. I

> decided to

> > focus on me and really put forth an effort to

> achieve my weight

> loss goals.

> > It seemed to me that my main problem was my

> sugar addiction. I

> have been a

> > vegetarian for almost 20 years, 10 of those

> years no animal flesh

> at all; I

> > have added fish back into my diet. I have been

> interested in

> health issues

> > for about the same amount of time. I had tried

> the Atkins diet,

> but that

> > was hard when I would only eat eggs, fish,

> cheese, cream,

> mushrooms, onions,

> > and some odd veggies. I refuse to consume

> artificial sweeteners of

> any

> > kind, only honey and plain sugar. I at least

> know what these two

> do to my

> > body; I have no idea what those chemical

> concoctions really do! I

> think

> > that I lasted on that eating plan for about two

> weeks until I just

> couldn't

> > stand it any more. I tried many, many plans

> such as Eat for your

> Type; I'm

> > type A, Carb Addicts, that didn't work for the

> same reason that

> Atkins didn'

> > t work. I tried the Zone, which worked the best

> for me of all of

> them. Yet,

> > it wasn't the answer. I tried the 5-day miracle

> diet. That worked

> for a

> > while, and then got old. I was happy with

> " Breaking out of Food

> Jail " for a

> > while, then that fell short too. I finally

> decided that I was

> tired of

> > fixing the symptoms and decided to give the

> cause some serious

> thought!

> > That is when I decided that there was some

> reason that I couldn't

> control my

> > sugar cravings. I'm talking serious cravings

> that would be socially

> > embarrassing for my friends to see how much I

> consumed! I'm

> talking the

> > whole cake; the whole batch of cookie dough, the

> entire bag of

> M & M's and it

> > would be the party pak too! I actually treat

> sugar

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__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I have used Castor Oil. It tastes nasty, but does work.

So does Olive Oil. My father-in-law had some health problems in his colon,

basically he had a hernia inside the colon and passing solid stools was

extremely painful. He found that living on broths, and other liquid foods

and taking a spoonful of olive oil with each meal made things just slide

right on out without pain.

~Karma

http://loaves-n-fishes.com

http://www.karma.awarenesshealth.com

To Karma re: colon

> cleansing

>

>

> Karma,

>

> That is a great story. Congratulations! When I

> did the Sonnes

> Cleanse and all the vegetable and fruit juice

> fasting beforehand, I

> lost the blubbery part of my thighs and butt. I

> was doing the

> Tibeters at the time too (am doing them now again)

> and saw how all of

> me firmed up differently than any other time. Any

> exercising

> (aerobics, machines, and walking) I did before

> didn't do what bowel

> cleansing and juice fasting did.

>

> The Super Colon Cleanse is also available at GNC.

> No one at HEB ever

> got back to me on it...

>

> I wonder what the difference between all these

> products are. I don't

> think the SCC has anit-parasite ingredients in it.

> I am curious as

> to what you would suggest. I don't want to do

> anymore fasting, nor

> do I want to use the Sonnes as it absorbs

> vitamins. Yet I want to

> get out more plaque and ropes if I can, along with

> parasites. My

> eyes are so much clearer again without all that

> cottage cheese that I

> am motivated to do this til the end d:-)in an

> easier fashion. Any

> suggestions? FiberBlend, Awareness...????

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

> > I thought this might be a good time to start a

> new thread, give the

> list

> > something else to talk about. For those of you

> who have been on

> the list

> > for a while, this is a re-post of my cleansing

> experiences. For

> those of

> > you who are new, this is my story.

> >

> > I have been cleansing since around 1979. I

> first started with the

> Sonne's

> > Brand cleanse, since that the cleanse that was

> recommended to me by

> a friend

> > who had just gotten it from her Naturopath. I

> used to do this

> cleanse twice

> > a year, but after getting married, I just got

> busy and forgot about

> it. I

> > have always been into prevention. So, that is

> why I did the

> Sonne's cleanse

> > twice a year. I only have one body and wanted

> to take good care of

> it. I

> > had read a book once, I can't remember the name,

> but it was on colon

> > cleansing. In the book, it said that Mae West

> did an enema every

> morning.

> > She said that is why her skin was so beautiful.

> I believed it and

> did that

> > too. Like I said before, until I got married

> and my time schedule

> changed.

> >

> > Last year about this same time I turned the

> computer off for a

> month to take

> > time for me. I had gotten to busy with computer

> things, and just

> took a

> > vacation from it. Following is the post I

> posted last year to the

> list.

> >

> > ------------------------

> >

> > This is how I did the colon/parasite cleanse. I

> will do my best to

> > re-create what I did. I am a very creative

> person, so, it is hard

> for me to

> > repeat what I do, but this is my best attempt.

> >

> > This is what started it all for me, for personal

> reasons I took

> some time

> > off the Internet for about a month. I didn't

> realize that I spent

> so much

> > time on the computer until I turned it off for

> the month. I

> decided to

> > focus on me and really put forth an effort to

> achieve my weight

> loss goals.

> > It seemed to me that my main problem was my

> sugar addiction. I

> have been a

> > vegetarian for almost 20 years, 10 of those

> years no animal flesh

> at all; I

> > have added fish back into my diet. I have been

> interested in

> health issues

> > for about the same amount of time. I had tried

> the Atkins diet,

> but that

> > was hard when I would only eat eggs, fish,

> cheese, cream,

> mushrooms, onions,

> > and some odd veggies. I refuse to consume

> artificial sweeteners of

> any

> > kind, only honey and plain sugar. I at least

> know what these two

> do to my

> > body; I have no idea what those chemical

> concoctions really do! I

> think

> > that I lasted on that eating plan for about two

> weeks until I just

> couldn't

> > stand it any more. I tried many, many plans

> such as Eat for your

> Type; I'm

> > type A, Carb Addicts, that didn't work for the

> same reason that

> Atkins didn'

> > t work. I tried the Zone, which worked the best

> for me of all of

> them. Yet,

> > it wasn't the answer. I tried the 5-day miracle

> diet. That worked

> for a

> > while, and then got old. I was happy with

> " Breaking out of Food

> Jail " for a

> > while, then that fell short too. I finally

> decided that I was

> tired of

> > fixing the symptoms and decided to give the

> cause some serious

> thought!

> > That is when I decided that there was some

> reason that I couldn't

> control my

> > sugar cravings. I'm talking serious cravings

> that would be socially

> > embarrassing for my friends to see how much I

> consumed! I'm

> talking the

> > whole cake; the whole batch of cookie dough, the

> entire bag of

> M & M's and it

> > would be the party pak too! I actually treat

> sugar

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In a message dated 8/3/2001 3:14:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Got2bake@... writes:

> Thanks for the replies,now I'm curious as to what ya'll think about the diet

> and it's results.Has anyone tried it? TIA =0)

>

>

tried it and loved it

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