Beta-blockers

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Greg, et al.... here is one of the pages I found re: beta blockers.....

scroll down to heading " entrez-pubmed " and click on to it.

Jerry

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uid\

s=10952803 & dopt=Abstract

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Malcolm,

I think you need to talk to your doctor about why

you are on beta-blockers. They are given for heart

conditions - irregular beats - and also for high

blood pressure, that is either condition or both

if one has both. Side effects include some tendency

toward anxiety and other things.

Beta-blockers are not given for 'mind' problems of

any sort.

Take care

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Canberra, ACT Australia

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Hi ,

Thanks for you reply.

When I get in to see my doc' I usually ask him a question of two and submit my

written list of " happenings " (with some trivia, like how far I walk the dog and

approximately how much work I feel able to do....energy levels, etc.), and my

concerns, worries etc.

The feedback that I receive from him is very small and he definitely seems to be

" hedging " his bets somewhat.

It has been obvious to me for sometime now that I am slightly depressed and that

he also considers this to be part of my problem.

He has asked me, " why I am depressed " and of course, " how bad I feel about life

in general " . (I suppose, just in case I do something silly!)

(But " doing some thing silly " isn't an issue with me, at this time.....And

things would have to get decidedly worse all around for me to even consider

" topping " myself.)

I'm not that kind of person, but I can't seem to get it through to him.

And, my doc' appears more concentrated on that side of things, rather than the

fact that I may have just contracted Reiter's Syndrome, partly due to some

negligence on his part.

And this really does depress me! (Mainly due to the fact that I have plans for

the future, which may not be realised if I have this thing.)

So now I shall have to completely re-think my lifestyle and perhaps my aims in

life, just because he wouldn't take this thing seriously enough and played my

illness down, last August.

(As a result I may have to take a poor man's wage for the rest of my life, due

to illness, but he still gets his £70,000 per annum in spite of his mistake.)

And, much of my depression, worry and down-heartedness is actually down to him.

In the beginning I asked him if it were really necessary for me to take

beta-blockers, because I don't like things that mess with my mind...........But

he insisted, and so I had to take them.

I do admit that in some ways I have felt better since I'm been taking them and

the dosage has decreased significantly from what he started me on in

August.....I.e. during the nausea, feverishness, panic attacks and shake-ups of

mid and late August and early September.

I also concede that the beta-blockers have helped my sleep patterns and

arrythmias and assisted in calming me down a bit.

This was in September when I was getting the full blown 'shaking' panic attacks,

high feeling of feverishness, nausea and disturbed vision.

(Maybe some of that was even caused by the beta-blockers.)

At that time I think that a dose of doxycycline or other antibiotics would have

been better for me, as other members of this group quickly pointed out.

It was suggested to my doctor then that I had strong suspicions about it being

down to Salmonella and due to either re-frozen ice cream or a dodgy

crab-sandwich............But he just wouldn't have it!

He now knows that it was food-poisoning by some kind of Salmonella and he always

knew that there was a strong chance of my being HLA-B27+ve (still uncomfirmed to

me), because he treated both my mother and father with chronic illnesses.

So, why he wouldn't even try antibiotics on me then, is quite a big issue with

me now.....But he still talks more about depression than about the 'damned'

illness, which he now believes that I have. (Reiter's)

And, when I think what could now happen to me in future, as a result of his

" blinkered " approach, then it's no wonder that I'm feeling depressed.

Anyhow , ta' for listening..........Perhaps the Sun will come out later,

eh?

Best regards to you all for the newish Year!

Mal.

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I am on Diltiazem, a calcium channel blocker - heart medication to

establish regular heart beats. My rheumatologist prescribed it to help

reduce muscle tension in my neck. Odd as it sounds, it works!

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Beta blockers are prescribed sometimes for public speaking anxiety and are

sometimes used by psychiatrists long-term for anxiety disorders. They are

helpful in controlling the physical symptoms of anxiety.

The primary use is for blood pressure and heart patients.

Beta blockers are sometimes also used in the treatment of migraines.

Here's a helpful website:

http://www.cardiacconsultants.com/beta.htm

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Hi again Janet,

Thanks for your e-mail.

I certainly would have trouble standing up and addressing even 6 of my

friends together in a classroom, just as I am also having a little trouble

speaking to strangers face to face about ordinary, everyday things. So I

guess that this hints at my confidence.

In my last job but one, it was often necessary for me to greet and meet

travelling vendors and (sometimes even members of the Emirati Royal Family),

attend engineering seminars at other airports, and I never had any problems

with doing that.......Then!

But now it seems that any stress at all speeds my heart up and gives stress

pains around it, as well as making my legs go weak at the

knees...............And this with all the other aches and pains that I have.

So I just can't seem to do it anymore....At least, not at the moment!

To give you an example I received a telephone call from a Job Agency earlier

today and I had to explain that at the moment I'm under medication, for food

poisoning last year, so I wouldn't be available to work for the time being.

(I think it might be to my detriment if I mentioned Reiter's at this stage

of the game.)

Being perfectly honest I would love to do that job, if I were offered it,

and it is quite a prestigious position for somebody like me.

I know that if I attended an interview for that job, the stress factor for

the interview alone would make me unwell again. (Even as I type this letter

I don't feel up to driving 20 miles down the road, let alone the upheaval

that this job would present me with.)

Likewise, I think that the stress factor encountered during the first two

days of finding new accommodation, arriving at the new workplace (an

Airport) and meeting all of the staff and bosses; and then starting to get

to grips with my new workload, would probably end with me in

hospital.....And of course that wouldn't do any of us any good!

(Although I suppose that they might find out what was wrong with me, if the

heart attack that I suffered wasn't too serious.)

However, I've gone off on a tangent yet again, so I'll close this off now.

(Ha! Ha!....Is your " glass eye " asleep yet?)

Thanks for the websites you sent me.........I shall take a look at them very

shortly.

Best regards Janet!

Mal.

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Hello ,

Thanks for that information.

I seem to get quite a lot of neck-ache due to an old accident and on bad

days the aching seems to block or mess up a lot of my brain transmissions.

Certainly any " feel-good " factor is lost, when this happens.

Perhaps it might also work for my irregular heartbeat problems, if they

persist. (And depending upon what my illustrious doc' has in store for me

next?)

Thanks for that, Pat!

Best regards!

Mal.

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possible. Rest for at least 5 min before taking BP and maybe 30 min after exercise.What is K doing? Are you DASHing to get K intake up? Clarence Grimlowerbp2@... On Dec 6, 2009, at 11:18 AM, cowdoc@... wrote:I just got in - walking up the stairs I feel exhausted, legs are weak and bp was 154/99 so I don't know what is going on. Has this happened to any of you? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Beta-blockersI have backed off on my salt intake. Doing that and taking the beta-blockers is somewhat taking care of the hypertension. I still have BP flares. I seem to be fighting a lot of fatigue lately. I need to check potassium level which I haven't done yet. Is it possible for me to have PA and beta-blockers work a little? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Just got done checking k it is 4.9 and NA is 140

The bp of 154/99 was after I had been home for 10 minutes or so. With the above

values who knows why I feel so fatigued and worn out. Since they are not

indicative with PA. Dana

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> BP flares. I seem to be fighting a lot of fatigue lately. I need to

> check potassium level which I haven't done yet. Is it possible for

> me to have PA and beta-blockers work a little? Dana

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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I know you posted that you K was around 3.7 the last time it was checked. Was

this test done the same way? Was the Beta blockers given to control heart rate

as well as to lower BP? If so how well is your heart rate controled?

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No it was run at a human lab along with a complete bloodwork. Yes the beta-blockers were also used to control heart rate. My resting heart rate was in the high 90's to low 100's. It was crazy. So it is now in the high 70's. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "Francis Bill" <georgewbill@...>Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:21:31 -0000<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta-blockers I know you posted that you K was around 3.7 the last time it was checked. Was this test done the same way? Was the Beta blockers given to control heart rate as well as to lower BP? If so how well is your heart rate controled?> > > > >> > > > > > I just got in - walking up the stairs I feel exhausted, legs > > are> > > > > > weak and bp was 154/99 so I don't know what is going on. Has > > this> > > > > > happened to any of you? Dana> > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> > > > > >> > > > > > Beta-blockers> > > > > >> > > > > > I have backed off on my salt intake. Doing that and taking > > the beta-> > > > > > blockers is somewhat taking care of the hypertension. I > > still have> > > > > > BP flares. I seem to be fighting a lot of fatigue lately. I > > need to> > > > > > check potassium level which I haven't done yet. Is it > > possible for> > > > > > me to have PA and beta-blockers work a little? Dana> > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >>

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If it works on a finger stick then could be used for home monitoring. How much does it cost?CE Grim MDOn Dec 6, 2009, at 8:57 PM, cowdoc@... wrote:It is just a vet scan machine. It uses whole blood. I did it directly - got sample then ran itSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:18:54 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Re: Beta-blockers Well you might get a good K if you do it immediately but dont know the vet method. What machine do you use?On Dec 6, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Francis Bill wrote:Because they have hard time getting my blood I don't feel that I know what my true K is. It has been 3.2. Many times I am asked to pump my fist and they leave the tourniquet on. I do know what the fatigue is like. I have been going through it for 4 years still don't know if I have PA. There is a lot of information in the files and the links. > > >> > > > I just got in - walking up the stairs I feel exhausted, legs are> > > > weak and bp was 154/99 so I don't know what is going on. Has this> > > > happened to any of you? Dana> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> > > >> > > > Beta-blockers> > > >> > > > I have backed off on my salt intake. Doing that and taking the beta-> > > > blockers is somewhat taking care of the hypertension. I still have> > > > BP flares. I seem to be fighting a lot of fatigue lately. I need to> > > > check potassium level which I haven't done yet. Is it possible for> > > > me to have PA and beta-blockers work a little? Dana> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>

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BB slow heart and lower renin. But if renin already low then may not work very well. Better to DASH.On Dec 6, 2009, at 9:37 PM, cowdoc@... wrote:No it was run at a human lab along with a complete bloodwork. Yes the beta-blockers were also used to control heart rate. My resting heart rate was in the high 90's to low 100's. It was crazy. So it is now in the high 70's. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "Francis Bill" <georgewbill >Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:21:31 -0000<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta-blockers I know you posted that you K was around 3.7 the last time it was checked. Was this test done the same way? Was the Beta blockers given to control heart rate as well as to lower BP? If so how well is your heart rate controled?> > > > >> > > > > > I just got in - walking up the stairs I feel exhausted, legs > > are> > > > > > weak and bp was 154/99 so I don't know what is going on. Has > > this> > > > > > happened to any of you? Dana> > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> > > > > >> > > > > > Beta-blockers> > > > > >> > > > > > I have backed off on my salt intake. Doing that and taking > > the beta-> > > > > > blockers is somewhat taking care of the hypertension. I > > still have> > > > > > BP flares. I seem to be fighting a lot of fatigue lately. I > > need to> > > > > > check potassium level which I haven't done yet. Is it > > possible for> > > > > > me to have PA and beta-blockers work a little? Dana> > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >>

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The machine itself cost about $12,000. I was a little misleading on how much blood it takes to get my results. I have to prick my finger and squeeze on it a lot to get enough blood to run the test. So it is not as easy as running a glucose. Have a good day - DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@...>Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:19:45 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Re: Beta-blockers If it works on a finger stick then could be used for home monitoring. How much does it cost?CE Grim MDOn Dec 6, 2009, at 8:57 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:It is just a vet scan machine. It uses whole blood. I did it directly - got sample then ran itSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:18:54 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Re: Beta-blockers Well you might get a good K if you do it immediately but dont know the vet method. What machine do you use?On Dec 6, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Francis Bill wrote:Because they have hard time getting my blood I don't feel that I know what my true K is. It has been 3.2. Many times I am asked to pump my fist and they leave the tourniquet on. I do know what the fatigue is like. I have been going through it for 4 years still don't know if I have PA. There is a lot of information in the files and the links. > > >> > > > I just got in - walking up the stairs I feel exhausted, legs are> > > > weak and bp was 154/99 so I don't know what is going on. Has this> > > > happened to any of you? Dana> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> > > >> > > > Beta-blockers> > > >> > > > I have backed off on my salt intake. Doing that and taking the beta-> > > > blockers is somewhat taking care of the hypertension. I still have> > > > BP flares. I seem to be fighting a lot of fatigue lately. I need to> > > > check potassium level which I haven't done yet. Is it possible for> > > > me to have PA and beta-blockers work a little? Dana> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>

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squeezing will likely increase K but dont know a good study. Here is your chance for a paper for the vet community. Clarence Grimlowerbp2@...Seasons Greetings and On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:45 AM, cowdoc@... wrote:The machine itself cost about $12,000. I was a little misleading on how much blood it takes to get my results. I have to prick my finger and squeeze on it a lot to get enough blood to run the test. So it is not as easy as running a glucose. Have a good day - DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:19:45 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Re: Beta-blockers If it works on a finger stick then could be used for home monitoring. How much does it cost?CE Grim MDOn Dec 6, 2009, at 8:57 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:It is just a vet scan machine. It uses whole blood. I did it directly - got sample then ran itSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:18:54 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Re: Beta-blockers Well you might get a good K if you do it immediately but dont know the vet method. What machine do you use?On Dec 6, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Francis Bill wrote:Because they have hard time getting my blood I don't feel that I know what my true K is. It has been 3.2. Many times I am asked to pump my fist and they leave the tourniquet on. I do know what the fatigue is like. I have been going through it for 4 years still don't know if I have PA. There is a lot of information in the files and the links. > > >> > > > I just got in - walking up the stairs I feel exhausted, legs are> > > > weak and bp was 154/99 so I don't know what is going on. Has this> > > > happened to any of you? Dana> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> > > >> > > > Beta-blockers> > > >> > > > I have backed off on my salt intake. Doing that and taking the beta-> > > > blockers is somewhat taking care of the hypertension. I still have> > > > BP flares. I seem to be fighting a lot of fatigue lately. I need to> > > > check potassium level which I haven't done yet. Is it possible for> > > > me to have PA and beta-blockers work a little? Dana> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>

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Ah yes now I remember. Either you are eating a ton of salt, or licorice or have AME or another mineralocorticoid causing the low renin and low aldo. What are they looking for. Where are you as I many know someone in the area May have made these observations before. Have you yet been tried on spiro. That would be my next choice if BP and K not at goal now or you are not feeling normal.On Dec 7, 2009, at 11:12 PM, cowdoc@... wrote:My renin was <0.15 and aldo was 4.9Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Beta-blockers> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have backed off on my salt intake. Doing that > and> > > taking> > > > > > > the beta-> > > > > > > > > > > blockers is somewhat taking care of the> > > hypertension. I> > > > > > > still have> > > > > > > > > > > BP flares. I seem to be fighting a lot of fatigue> > > > > lately. I> > > > > > > need to> > > > > > > > > > > check potassium level which I haven't done yet. > Is it> > > > > > > possible for> > > > > > > > > > > me to have PA and beta-blockers work a little? > Dana> > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>

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I am up by kansas city missouri. I know my situation has been dragging on for a while. I don't eat a ton of salt and hate licorice. But I was on beta blockers when I was tested. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@...>Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:07:14 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Re: Beta-blockers Ah yes now I remember. Either you are eating a ton of salt, or licorice or have AME or another mineralocorticoid causing the low renin and low aldo. What are they looking for. Where are you as I many know someone in the area May have made these observations before. Have you yet been tried on spiro. That would be my next choice if BP and K not at goal now or you are not feeling normal.On Dec 7, 2009, at 11:12 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:My renin was <0.15 and aldo was 4.9Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Beta-blockers> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have backed off on my salt intake. Doing that > and> > > taking> > > > > > > the beta-> > > > > > > > > > > blockers is somewhat taking care of the> > > hypertension. I> > > > > > > still have> > > > > > > > > > > BP flares. I seem to be fighting a lot of fatigue> > > > > lately. I> > > > > > > need to> > > > > > > > > > > check potassium level which I haven't done yet. > Is it> > > > > > > possible for> > > > > > > > > > > me to have PA and beta-blockers work a little? > Dana> > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>!> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>

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You should try to find DR Nat (han?) Weiner. Did the first studies of BB and renin. Last I heard was KC. He is a first rate Endo. Even taught me at MU COLUMBIA Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Dec 8, 2009, at 10:36 AM, cowdoc@... wrote:

I am up by kansas city missouri. I know my situation has been dragging on for a while. I don't eat a ton of salt and hate licorice. But I was on beta blockers when I was tested. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>

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Ah yes now I remember. Either you are eating a ton of salt, or licorice or have AME or another mineralocorticoid causing the low renin and low aldo. What are they looking for. Where are you as I many know someone in the area May have made these observations before. Have you yet been tried on spiro. That would be my next choice if BP and K not at goal now or you are not feeling normal.On Dec 7, 2009, at 11:12 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:My renin was <0.15 and aldo was 4.9Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Beta-blockers> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have backed off on my salt intake. Doing that > and> > > taking> > > > > > > the beta-> > > > > > > > > > > blockers is somewhat taking care of the> > > hypertension. I> > > > > > > still have> > > > > > > > > > > BP flares. I seem to be fighting a lot of fatigue> > > > > lately. I> > > > > > > need to> > > > > > > > > > > check potassium

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