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In a message dated 12/2/2003 1:12:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,

john.kammerer@... writes:

I didn't! Went 2x and was in worse pain then I was before I started so doctor

cancelled that!

Thanks , for replying. I am just so confused. You know we get so tired

of this pain and I had hope that pt would stop it. I went to a chiropractor

for years and that did not stop it so I thought pt might. So after the docto

stopped it what was next? I mean is there anything else they can do besides

drug us up? I don't see the doctor till the 1q2th but when I go back Thursday

I am telling the physical therapist that it really triggered a lot of pain

later on.

Joy

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In a message dated 12/2/2003 1:30:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

wascher@... writes:

I felt the same way, butttttt......have you ever worked out once? How do you

feel afterwards. I am not giving it up yet. Especially seeing as I have

tried everything else so far including surgery

wendy

True. I know it should hurt but I just am not sure if it should hurt this

bad. I can barely move around because of the pain.

Joy

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In a message dated 12/2/2003 1:32:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

karens@... writes:

Joy, that's usually the case. Sometimes PT is " uncomfortable " , to

say the least, and you should let your therapist know next time. Are

you also doing exercises at home? Your body may just have to get

used to the movements before it stops reacting so " violently. "

On the other hand, what you're going to PT may not really be amenable

to PT. My back problems are not, but I've been through extensive PT

for shoulder surgeries and it helped.

I know it worked after my knee surgeries but have never had to go for my

back. The pain specialist gave me some exercises to do at home and I am to

continue the ones I was taught today to do at home too. Maybe I pushed too

hard. I

know they say to stop if it hurts but honestly if I do that I will never get

better. My main problem right now is the lower back witht he pain.

Joy

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In a message dated 12/2/2003 1:38:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,

john.kammerer@... writes:

Ah yes the pain of working out! Remember that well and enjoyed it....but this

is a different kind of pain. Even after L2 L3 laminectomy,I am no

better.Actually worse! Just had my 5th MRI for the year and see the new surgeon

tomorrow.

The nurse let me read part of the report this a.m. when I went in begging for

pain meds. Shows stenosis,spondolythesis,bulging disks at L4 and L5,arthritis

and degeneration.It also showed that the surgery at L2 L3 didn't correct the

pinched nerve I had there. So that was a wasteful surgery. Man its a pain

getting old! And Im only 48.

,

I hope they can correct it for you. I hate when you go for surgery and

you are no better than before you went. I only had that experience with one of

my knee surgeries and now they are trying to put another one off because of

all the back problems. Funny thing is my chiropractor use to say my knees are

causing my back problems too because I am walking funny. I don't know if to go

ahead with surgery with my neck or not that was an option, just I am afraid

of no change or being worse so I am trying anything now to avoid that path.

As to my lower back I don't know what they can do for that yet since I haven't

met with the doctor to understand those MRI's. Wishing you luck .

Joy

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In a message dated 12/2/2003 2:47:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,

wascher@... writes:

Hey girlfriend I'm 38! LOL...looks like a long road ahead for me

too--hehehe. One of the things the PT can do though, from what I am working on,

is

strengthen other areas of your back, so you sit up with a better posture.

(trust

me its hard for me to swallow too...I'm not pain free) But I'm trying to

repeat what I've been told are ya buying it? LOL

wendy

WEndy, Glad to know someone else was told that. They are trying to tell me

that I need to strengthen the muscles which in turn will help in the long run.

I know with my one knee I was in therapy for three months and no improvement

while my other it did. So I wonder if backs are the same.

Joy

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I didn't! Went 2x and was in worse pain then I was before I started so doctor

cancelled that!

pt

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone has had success with pt. I started today and

right now I hurt more than I did before going. I will definitely tell him

that on

Thursday. We didn't do much either and to think that little bit has

triggered my pain levels really high upsets me. I want to get better and I

sure hope

in the end this works. I have the bulging disc in neck at c-5-6 and as to the

lumbar still haven't talked to doctor about those results which from what I

read says mild degenerative disc disease. I will take my copy with me on

Thursday to get the PT's input on it though. Right now a good part of me is

not

looking forward to going back Thursday especially if the pain is going to be

this

bad. I did do all the exercises he had me do, he told me to stop if I had

pain but to be honest I am in pain all the time when I move so if I listened

to

that I wouldn't ever do anything. Thanks for any opinions.

Joy

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>Just wondering if anyone has had success with pt. I started

>today and right now I hurt more than I did before going

Joy, that's usually the case. Sometimes PT is " uncomfortable " , to

say the least, and you should let your therapist know next time. Are

you also doing exercises at home? Your body may just have to get

used to the movements before it stops reacting so " violently. "

On the other hand, what you're going to PT may not really be amenable

to PT. My back problems are not, but I've been through extensive PT

for shoulder surgeries and it helped.

[Guest guest]

I felt the same way, butttttt......have you ever worked out once? How do you

feel afterwards. I am not giving it up yet. Especially seeing as I have

tried everything else so far including surgery

wendy

pt

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone has had success with pt. I started today and

right now I hurt more than I did before going. I will definitely tell him

that on

Thursday. We didn't do much either and to think that little bit has

triggered my pain levels really high upsets me. I want to get better and I

sure hope

in the end this works. I have the bulging disc in neck at c-5-6 and as to

the

lumbar still haven't talked to doctor about those results which from what I

read says mild degenerative disc disease. I will take my copy with me on

Thursday to get the PT's input on it though. Right now a good part of me is

not

looking forward to going back Thursday especially if the pain is going to be

this

bad. I did do all the exercises he had me do, he told me to stop if I had

pain but to be honest I am in pain all the time when I move so if I listened

to

that I wouldn't ever do anything. Thanks for any opinions.

Joy

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Ah yes the pain of working out! Remember that well and enjoyed it....but this is

a different kind of pain. Even after L2 L3 laminectomy,I am no better.Actually

worse! Just had my 5th MRI for the year and see the new surgeon tomorrow. The

nurse let me read part of the report this a.m. when I went in begging for pain

meds. Shows stenosis,spondolythesis,bulging disks at L4 and L5,arthritis and

degeneration.It also showed that the surgery at L2 L3 didn't correct the pinched

nerve I had there. So that was a wasteful surgery. Man its a pain getting old!

And Im only 48.

pt

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone has had success with pt. I started today and

right now I hurt more than I did before going. I will definitely tell him

that on

Thursday. We didn't do much either and to think that little bit has

triggered my pain levels really high upsets me. I want to get better and

I sure hope

in the end this works. I have the bulging disc in neck at c-5-6 and as to

the

lumbar still haven't talked to doctor about those results which from what

I

read says mild degenerative disc disease. I will take my copy with me on

Thursday to get the PT's input on it though. Right now a good part of me

is not

looking forward to going back Thursday especially if the pain is going to

be this

bad. I did do all the exercises he had me do, he told me to stop if I had

pain but to be honest I am in pain all the time when I move so if I

listened to

that I wouldn't ever do anything. Thanks for any opinions.

Joy

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Oh I tried the chiropractor....phoeey

Re: pt

In a message dated 12/2/2003 1:12:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,

john.kammerer@... writes:

I didn't! Went 2x and was in worse pain then I was before I started so doctor

cancelled that!

Thanks , for replying. I am just so confused. You know we get so tired

of this pain and I had hope that pt would stop it. I went to a chiropractor

for years and that did not stop it so I thought pt might. So after the docto

stopped it what was next? I mean is there anything else they can do besides

drug us up? I don't see the doctor till the 1q2th but when I go back Thursday

I am telling the physical therapist that it really triggered a lot of pain

later on.

Joy

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Hey girlfriend I'm 38! LOL...looks like a long road ahead for me too--hehehe.

One of the things the PT can do though, from what I am working on, is strengthen

other areas of your back, so you sit up with a better posture. (trust me its

hard for me to swallow too...I'm not pain free) But I'm trying to repeat what

I've been told are ya buying it? LOL

wendy

pt

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone has had success with pt. I started today and

right now I hurt more than I did before going. I will definitely tell

him that on

Thursday. We didn't do much either and to think that little bit has

triggered my pain levels really high upsets me. I want to get better

and I sure hope

in the end this works. I have the bulging disc in neck at c-5-6 and as

to the

lumbar still haven't talked to doctor about those results which from

what I

read says mild degenerative disc disease. I will take my copy with me

on

Thursday to get the PT's input on it though. Right now a good part of me

is not

looking forward to going back Thursday especially if the pain is going

to be this

bad. I did do all the exercises he had me do, he told me to stop if I

had

pain but to be honest I am in pain all the time when I move so if I

listened to

that I wouldn't ever do anything. Thanks for any opinions.

Joy

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LOL No Im not buying it...... :-)

pt

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone has had success with pt. I started today

and

right now I hurt more than I did before going. I will definitely tell

him that on

Thursday. We didn't do much either and to think that little bit has

triggered my pain levels really high upsets me. I want to get better

and I sure hope

in the end this works. I have the bulging disc in neck at c-5-6 and

as to the

lumbar still haven't talked to doctor about those results which from

what I

read says mild degenerative disc disease. I will take my copy with me

on

Thursday to get the PT's input on it though. Right now a good part of

me is not

looking forward to going back Thursday especially if the pain is going

to be this

bad. I did do all the exercises he had me do, he told me to stop if I

had

pain but to be honest I am in pain all the time when I move so if I

listened to

that I wouldn't ever do anything. Thanks for any opinions.

Joy

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In a message dated 12/2/2003 6:38:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

john.kammerer@... writes:

I understand you completely. Can I ask what is a myelogram? I have

seen several people mention that on here. For me ever since the first car

accident in 2000 I have never been the same. It frustrates me. Back then they

did

no MRI's either of back or neck the pain specialist I had then just did radio

frequency so I wouldn't have pain and could do the exercises and get better.

Well, from what I understand the nerves eventually regenerate and I think

that is what has happened to me with my neck, which started in Sept acting up

again. So I wonder now the bulging disc that they just discovered was that

always there or what? I feel confident with this new doctor and I hope he can

help. I am only 40 and it frustrates me that I cannot do things they way I

could

three years a go.

Joy

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, wish you luck on Thursday too. He didn't do too much with my neck

just mainly worked on lower back with exercises. The neck he just had me look

left and right ten times and he used heat in the beginning for the neck and ice

in the end for the neck. He did do something where he pulls up on my neck but

that really made no difference to me. I was looking forward to PT but not

now after today. Hopefully, Thursday will be a better one for me.

Joy

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Hi Joy,

I just started PT today as well. I have a C5-C6 disc osteophyte complex (a

disc herniation and a bone spur).

My therapist worked on three " trigger points " in my muscles to release

pressure then we did a series of stretches and strengthening exercises which

I am supposed to be doing at home. The pressure releases worked until I got

home and did my 2nd series of exercises. The thing that bothers me the most

since doing them is that they bother my lower back (I also have a lumbar

spine herniation) even though the therapist swore it wouldn't aggravate

anything in the lower back.

I am really dreading my next PT appt. this Thursday because she is going to

expect me to begin weight exercises. Ughhh! Now that should be a really

painful day!

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Joy

This has been going on since last February...constant pain! Ive done the Spinal

Epidural Series(3 shots), Chiropractor,Tens Unit,PT,5 MRI's,2 Cat

Scans,myelogram,nerve density test and can't believe one Neuro Surgeon didn't

correct anything. I dumped him 7wks after surgery and have found an Orthopedic

Surgeon(sshhhh....I know most people here swear that a Neuro is

better,but......NOT IN MY CASE), Thank you for the luck! Think I just need an

entire body transplant. LOL

P.S...oh Im not letting my muscles get weak and just lay around in this pain. I

take care of my 4 grandchildren 24/7...so thats my physical therapy.

Re: pt

In a message dated 12/2/2003 1:38:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,

john.kammerer@... writes:

Ah yes the pain of working out! Remember that well and enjoyed it....but this

is a different kind of pain. Even after L2 L3 laminectomy,I am no

better.Actually worse! Just had my 5th MRI for the year and see the new

surgeon tomorrow.

The nurse let me read part of the report this a.m. when I went in begging for

pain meds. Shows stenosis,spondolythesis,bulging disks at L4 and L5,arthritis

and degeneration.It also showed that the surgery at L2 L3 didn't correct the

pinched nerve I had there. So that was a wasteful surgery. Man its a pain

getting old! And Im only 48.

,

I hope they can correct it for you. I hate when you go for surgery and

you are no better than before you went. I only had that experience with one

of

my knee surgeries and now they are trying to put another one off because of

all the back problems. Funny thing is my chiropractor use to say my knees are

causing my back problems too because I am walking funny. I don't know if to

go

ahead with surgery with my neck or not that was an option, just I am afraid

of no change or being worse so I am trying anything now to avoid that path.

As to my lower back I don't know what they can do for that yet since I haven't

met with the doctor to understand those MRI's. Wishing you luck .

Joy

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The pt for my lower back always made me feel better...for the length of time it

took me to walk back out to my vehicle. With my neck, I don't think the

exercises are helping, but the deep heat and massages sure make me feel great!

[Guest guest]

A myelogram is a more defined MRI. they inject die into your spine to make the

nerves illuminate so they can determine where they might be pinched etc. They

also do a cat scan at the same time.

Tina

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Thanks Joy. It is sometimes helpful if I know other people are having

similar experiences. I don't know anybody who has said PT is a " walk in the

park " . In my experience (limited) it is very hard work. But personally, I

would rather try as hard as I can at it in an effort to avoid more invasive

alternatives.

Good luck to you Thursday as well. I will be looking for your update and I

hope it is less painful for you than it was today.

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In a message dated 12/2/2003 10:38:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tinagolden@... writes:

A myelogram is a more defined MRI. they inject die into your spine to make

the nerves illuminate so they can determine where they might be pinched etc.

They also do a cat scan at the same time.

Tina

Thanks Tima, I was just wondering in case that is ever brought up for me to

have.

Joy

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In a message dated 12/3/2003 5:38:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

john.kammerer@... writes:

Thanks Tina for descriping the myelogram. I didn't get back to Joy last night

as I went to bed at 6pm with such back and leg pain. Anyhow while they are

injecting this dye they are also taking series of x-rays at the same time. It

was a semi uncomfortable procedure but its well worth it to get to the stem of

some problems. Afterwards I had to stay in the hospital for 12hrs flat on my

back(except to get up to use the restroom). Some people get severe headaches

from it......haha little did they know that I snuck out and sat outside basking

in the Florida sunshine a couple hours here and there...:-)

I didn't realize it was a hospital stay involved with that procedure. It

seems today they hardly keep you in the hospital for anything anymore. !2 hours

is a long time to lay flat though, kind of reminds me after my spinal, that

they would give me before the C-section. They had me lay flat like that then

too.

Joy

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Thanks Tina for descriping the myelogram. I didn't get back to Joy last night as

I went to bed at 6pm with such back and leg pain. Anyhow while they are

injecting this dye they are also taking series of x-rays at the same time. It

was a semi uncomfortable procedure but its well worth it to get to the stem of

some problems. Afterwards I had to stay in the hospital for 12hrs flat on my

back(except to get up to use the restroom). Some people get severe headaches

from it......haha little did they know that I snuck out and sat outside basking

in the Florida sunshine a couple hours here and there...:-)

Re: pt

A myelogram is a more defined MRI. they inject die into your spine to make

the nerves illuminate so they can determine where they might be pinched etc.

They also do a cat scan at the same time.

Tina

[Guest guest]

Well I was told it was just MY neuro who required his patients to follow the

procedure of laying flat for 12hrs. Nurses told me that most other doctors send

there patients home to rest....

Re: pt

In a message dated 12/3/2003 5:38:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

john.kammerer@... writes:

Thanks Tina for descriping the myelogram. I didn't get back to Joy last night

as I went to bed at 6pm with such back and leg pain. Anyhow while they are

injecting this dye they are also taking series of x-rays at the same time. It

was a semi uncomfortable procedure but its well worth it to get to the stem of

some problems. Afterwards I had to stay in the hospital for 12hrs flat on my

back(except to get up to use the restroom). Some people get severe headaches

from it......haha little did they know that I snuck out and sat outside

basking

in the Florida sunshine a couple hours here and there...:-)

I didn't realize it was a hospital stay involved with that procedure. It

seems today they hardly keep you in the hospital for anything anymore. !2

hours

is a long time to lay flat though, kind of reminds me after my spinal, that

they would give me before the C-section. They had me lay flat like that then

too.

Joy

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It depends on where you have it done. At a hospital they require you to lay

flat for 6-12 hours but my dh had his done at a diagnositc center and he was in

and out in less than 2 hours......they only required he lay on an incline for

half and hour while the observed him and to make sure he didnt develop a

headache. On release they told him to not lay flat for 6 hours, to keep his

head at a 30 degree angle. If you ever have one, i highly recomend the

diagnositc centers vs the hospitals...it ws much easier than all the hospital

red tape

My husband never did get a headache, but the guy that was having one the same

time as him had a severe headache and was vomiting his guts up afterwards UGH

poor guy.

I had to lay flat after my spinals for csections too Joy, i think i stayed in

recovery laying flat for 2 hours?? and then i was able to move around.

~~TinaMarie

www.GoldenMagnolias.com

Re: pt

In a message dated 12/3/2003 5:38:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

john.kammerer@... writes:

Thanks Tina for descriping the myelogram. I didn't get back to Joy last night

as I went to bed at 6pm with such back and leg pain. Anyhow while they are

injecting this dye they are also taking series of x-rays at the same time. It

was a semi uncomfortable procedure but its well worth it to get to the stem of

some problems. Afterwards I had to stay in the hospital for 12hrs flat on my

back(except to get up to use the restroom). Some people get severe headaches

from it......haha little did they know that I snuck out and sat outside

basking

in the Florida sunshine a couple hours here and there...:-)

I didn't realize it was a hospital stay involved with that procedure. It

seems today they hardly keep you in the hospital for anything anymore. !2

hours

is a long time to lay flat though, kind of reminds me after my spinal, that

they would give me before the C-section. They had me lay flat like that then

too.

Joy

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-

I had PT about 1 month after my surgery - it is just to get you moving again

- it really helped me. They did nothing painful, in fact they said if it

hurts - don't do it.

Lorrie Snyder

[ ] PT

Did anyone else start PT one month post op> It sounds early to me.

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