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In a message dated 1/24/03 9:19:12 PM, touchingsouls1x1@... writes:

<< Availability

BMP has not yet been approved for use in the United States. However there are

indications that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is close to granting

approval for the use of BMP in spine surgery. It is widely believed that BMP

will eventually be useful in a variety of spinal surgeries, creating less

invasive surgical techniques, shortening recovery time and relieving pain of

millions of back pain sufferers.

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This is an old article. BMP has been approved by FDA

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Are you sure BMP is only used when there is a suspected problem with

fusion....it seems almost every one of us have recieved it. I know I

didn't have any trouble getting insurance authorization for it. It

seems like it is becoming the standard of care for this surgery.

Cam

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Hi Cam...

If it is, I haven't heard about it. I'm fairly certain that the UCSF

surgeons only use it if there's a prior fusion problem or if there is

a lack of material because of a previous iliac crest harvesting. I'll

check with one of my sources.

Regards,

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> Are you sure BMP is only used when there is a suspected problem with

> fusion....it seems almost every one of us have recieved it. I know I

> didn't have any trouble getting insurance authorization for it. It

> seems like it is becoming the standard of care for this surgery.

>

> Cam

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What does BMP stand for? My surgeon will be using some artificial substance in addition to the bone he gets from the osteotomy. (I've already had a bone graft from each hip in the two previous surgeries).

> >> > ,> > > > Are you sure BMP is only used when there is a suspected problem with > > fusion....it seems almost every one of us have recieved it. I know I > > didn't have any trouble getting insurance authorization for it. It > > seems like it is becoming the standard of care for this surgery.> > > > Cam> >>

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Hi Cam...

According to Serena Hu... " No it's not routinely used. Insurance

carriers vary as to whether they `carve out' the costs of `implants'

such as BMP. "

That doesn't mean, however, that it's not different at other institutions.

Regards,

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> > Are you sure BMP is only used when there is a suspected problem with

> > fusion....it seems almost every one of us have recieved it. I know I

> > didn't have any trouble getting insurance authorization for it. It

> > seems like it is becoming the standard of care for this surgery.

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> > Cam

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Hi...

It's bone morphogenetic protein. It sounds like that's what your

surgeon is planning to use on you.

Regards,

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> What does BMP stand for? My surgeon will be using some artificial

> substance in addition to the bone he gets from the osteotomy. (I've

> already had a bone graft from each hip in the two previous surgeries).

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---.,

I had asked my doctor if there was a problem when I received the BGS

(bone growth stimulator). I was told no, no problems. I believe it is

used to ensure a more solid fusion. I think it is becoming more

standared practice to have folks use these, problems or not...,PA

In , " cammaltby " <cammaltby@...> wrote:

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> Are you sure BMP is only used when there is a suspected problem with

> fusion....it seems almost every one of us have recieved it. I know I

> didn't have any trouble getting insurance authorization for it. It

> seems like it is becoming the standard of care for this surgery.

>

> Cam

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Hi , Cam & all:

I, too, had no problem with insurance covering Dr. Bridwell's use of

the BMP for my revision. I had plenty of chips of old fusion bone

for him to use as well (as he removed the Harrington rod), but he

combined that with the BMP. On my post-revision x-rays, he has the

amounts of BMP he used written down in different areas of my spine

to remind him of what he used where. It's all part of his research

studies, and keeping track of all the results.

P.S. I did not have any areas of pseudoarthrosis from my previous

(1977) fusion.

Hope this helps to clarify.

Martha

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> > fusion....it seems almost every one of us have recieved it. I

know I

> > didn't have any trouble getting insurance authorization for it.

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> > seems like it is becoming the standard of care for this surgery.

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> > Cam

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My suspicion is that this may then be an evolving methodology? I too

never had problems fusing and had plenty of bone available. If I

were to hazard a guess, if the insurance will cover, it seems like

it is just an little extra insurance that the fusion will " take " .

I did double check my operative report and for both the L4-L5 and L5-

S1 discs spces the HARM cages were " loaded with patients own bone

harvested off the fusion mass with the osteotomy the week

prior..they were put in place and then BMP sponges were used on

either side and in front of the cage as a sentinel graft device " .

I also wonder with the more extraordinary forces as play with

fusion to the sacrum if this won't become more commonplace. We all

know we have been guinea pigs before, so if they are going to test

on us ...at least it might as well be that little extra that might

prevent the need for yet another surgery. Same thing with the bone

growth stimulator. I, for one, am/was more than happy to do anything

that might alleviate the need for more surgery...especially since

insurance was not a factor.

Cam

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Hi...

More on BMP, this time for Dr. Sig Berven:

"There is a nice paper on BMP in deformity surgery from the

St Louis group in Spine from 2 mos ago. Overall, there is no role

for BMP in adolescent surgery, other than revision for

pseudarthrosis. In adults, there is a role for anterior interbody

work and for posterior at the lumbosacral or thoracolumbar regions in

the setting of pseudarthrosis or other challenging healing environment.

I have had no trouble with insurance coverage- generally this is not paid separately and comes from the overall reimbursement."

I think this is the paper to which he's referring:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=16138058 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

Regards,

>> My suspicion is that this may then be an evolving methodology? I too > never had problems fusing and had plenty of bone available. If I > were to hazard a guess, if the insurance will cover, it seems like > it is just an little extra insurance that the fusion will "take".> > I did double check my operative report and for both the L4-L5 and L5-> S1 discs spces the HARM cages were "loaded with patients own bone > harvested off the fusion mass with the osteotomy the week > prior..they were put in place and then BMP sponges were used on > either side and in front of the cage as a sentinel graft device". > > I also wonder with the more extraordinary forces as play with > fusion to the sacrum if this won't become more commonplace. We all > know we have been guinea pigs before, so if they are going to test > on us ...at least it might as well be that little extra that might > prevent the need for yet another surgery. Same thing with the bone > growth stimulator. I, for one, am/was more than happy to do anything > that might alleviate the need for more surgery...especially since > insurance was not a factor.> > Cam>

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Hey , Tho't I would add that I did see a show on Discovery

channel (I think) 2 weeks ago about child that had huge tumor on face

involving many, many surgeries to reduce/remove it. At one of the

later stages, the doctor used BMP to reform nose and check area, as

original bone had been " consumed " by the tumor. Actually showed him

squeezing and forming the BMP to use. Interesting. Marty

--- " Racine " <linda@...> wrote: ...Overall, there is no role for

BMP in adolescent surgery, other than revision for pseudarthrosis.

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