Blood

[Guest guest]

I have light colored small amounts of blood on the outer edges of my stool. Also

when I urinate some blood (bright red) fragments come out of my rectum. I

suspect that it is from cutting myself with the tip of my colema I did

yesterday. However it has been 24 hours. Any experienced suggestions of what is

going on?

Benrnadette

[Guest guest]

I know you don't want to hear it, but I believe you used too much

peroxide. It can burn the lining. Takes about 2 weeks to clear up.

I know, it happened to me. Also using it in a long colonic is just

too long for peroxide to be in the colon for many people.

I did find a little information on what damage peroxide can cause, it

is on an FDA link but this one little paragraph list some of the

problems people had suffered with using peroxide. I found it last

night. >Liz D.

.................

TOXICITY OF HYDROGEN PEROXIDE

According to Dreisbach's Handbook of Poisoning, 10th Edition (Los

Altos: Lange Medical Publ, 1980, p.371, concentrated solutions (20-

30%) of H2O2 are strong irritants to the skin or mucous membranes,

and 6% is a weak irritant. When used as a colonic lavage, H202 has

caused gas embolism and gangrene of the intestine at concentrations

down to 0.75%. Gosselin, and Hodge (Clinical Toxicology of

Commercial Products, 5th Edition, Baltimore: & Wilkins Publ,

1984) state that decomposition of H202 may release large volumes of

oxygen (10 times the volume of the solution). Cases of rupture of the

colon, proctitis, and ulcerative colitis have been reported following

H202 enemas. Powders and tablets that generate H202 have caused oral

and esophageal burns when ingested.

[Guest guest]

I wanted to do colonics. I liked it but had to stop because I

got a hemmroid flair up and needed it removed. But I went to

a clinic with a licensed therapyst. There is allot of understanding

involved to practice colonics. I learned allot, from a professional.

One of the things that was important to my therapist is that the

nozzel should only enter your rectum past the rectal muscle. That

is all. No more than 1 inch. I have talked to others on the board in

the past that uses speculums that enter the bowel 8 inches. I can't

bring myself to think that is safe. I bought a board also and the

instructions tell you to do the same thing.

Liz D.

p.s. sorry my spell check isn't working.

> I looked at that link and saw " speculums with obdurators " ? What

are

> those? What is the nipple thing you referred to?

> I am nervous about piercing the colon so

> will be very careful. I prefer the tubing that came with my enema

> bucket but that doesnt' allow for evacuation. Any thoughts on the

> typical colema board speculum? They even sell stianless steel

which

> seems even more risky to me.

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting, thanks for then info. I suppose of all people I should know about

OD of Hydrogen Peroxide. Last March I was cleaning my herbal mixtures when I ran

into a clear liquid I thought was Silver. I took a large gulp and instantly knew

it was my Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide! It was old though and lost it's

potency. I threw up and burnt a few days, slept and was weak. The poison control

center though I was going to die and told me to call an ambulance. Well after

that I should know better, yet that is why I had to use 3% store bought. Because

I threw out al my 35% LOL! Some people never learn and I guess I'm one.

Bernadette

I know you don't want to hear it, but I believe you used too much

peroxide. It can burn the lining. Takes about 2 weeks to clear up.

I know, it happened to me. Also using it in a long colonic is just

too long for peroxide to be in the colon for many people.

I did find a little information on what damage peroxide can cause, it

is on an FDA link but this one little paragraph list some of the

problems people had suffered with using peroxide. I found it last

night. >Liz D.

................

TOXICITY OF HYDROGEN PEROXIDE

According to Dreisbach's Handbook of Poisoning, 10th Edition (Los

Altos: Lange Medical Publ, 1980, p.371, concentrated solutions (20-

30%) of H2O2 are strong irritants to the skin or mucous membranes,

and 6% is a weak irritant. When used as a colonic lavage, H202 has

caused gas embolism and gangrene of the intestine at concentrations

down to 0.75%. Gosselin, and Hodge (Clinical Toxicology of

Commercial Products, 5th Edition, Baltimore: & Wilkins Publ,

1984) state that decomposition of H202 may release large volumes of

oxygen (10 times the volume of the solution). Cases of rupture of the

colon, proctitis, and ulcerative colitis have been reported following

H202 enemas. Powders and tablets that generate H202 have caused oral

and esophageal burns when ingested.

[Guest guest]

I bought an enema bucket and when I ordered it online, it said, " You

may also want this extension " so I bought that too thinking it was

simlpy to extend teh tubing so that it was long enough from where I

hung it to my body. But it turned out to be this long red thing that

I think it supopsed to snake up inside your colon. I am saving it as

a relic of weirdness. I would NOT use such a thing.

I don't understand however why teh speculum with the colemas can't be

a flexible plastic. I havent' found a flexible plastic one on the

web.

I guess the thing to do with h202 is to start very slow. ON oxyplus

someone noted that they put just af ew drops of 35% in 5 gallons. So

if you start slow you can see how you do. I'm mystified by why a

colonic would exacerbate a hemmorhoid but perhaps the water pressure

was too intense? Anwyay I swear I am going to try my colema later

today!!! I have to stop with the fidgets and fear.

> > I looked at that link and saw " speculums with obdurators " ? What

> are

> > those? What is the nipple thing you referred to?

> > I am nervous about piercing the colon so

> > will be very careful. I prefer the tubing that came with my

enema

> > bucket but that doesnt' allow for evacuation. Any thoughts on the

> > typical colema board speculum? They even sell stianless steel

> which

> > seems even more risky to me.

> >

[Guest guest]

> One of the things that was important to my therapist is that the

> nozzel should only enter your rectum past the rectal muscle. That

> is all. No more than 1 inch. I have talked to others on the board

in

> the past that uses speculums that enter the bowel 8 inches. I

can't

> bring myself to think that is safe.

Hmmm...that's good to know. I always thought it had to enter the

bowel about 12 inches in order for the water to flush out the entire

colon. I'm glad that's not true!

[Guest guest]

Well it is my conclusion after all your thoughtful post that I stuck the tip WAY

to far up AND used too much Hydrogen Peroxide.

Thank you to all.

Bernadette

[Guest guest]

I haven't either found a nice speculum. The ones used in the clinic

I went to were very comfortable. The holes were not cut out that they

scratched you, and they are narrow and soft plastic. You don't feel

that they are in there. And I can't find them to be sold to the

public,

only to practicioners. The lady that did my colonics told me that

these long tubes are used for persons with diseased colons or other

health and elimination problems. Ordinary people don't have to use

those long tubes. Some do with good results, but I am sure they don't

over do them.

I got a hemmorhoid flair up just before going for my colonic and

instead of canceling I went thinking the cleanse would help reduce

pressure on it. Not so with this one. It wasn't my first visit but

visit #14. I had no problems with them on any of my other visits so

this surprised me too.

If you are going to do a colonic do you have mineral replacement in

the house? Seems flushing your system out kills off good bacteria

too. You must take a liquid mineral supplement afterward and good

bacteria. What I liked in the clinic is that they added bacteria to

the water for the last flush. You hold it awhile and then let it all

out. Boy did the yeast flow out then.

Get comfortable with your colonic system. Use filtered water. Water

has a good ph for your body and you can accomplish allot with just

plain water. Adding a little salt makes it feel good too, not

allot. None of the clinics can add stuff to the water in the state

that I live in. It is against the law. There are nice solutions you

can make doing them at home but take your time to look for them. I

haven't tried any myself.

Understand too, what you flush into your large intestines will respond

differently than if you swallowed it. Your intestines will absorb

your solution quickly so don't use anything strong. For your first

time don't do a full bucket. My first visit at the clinic left me

exhausted, it is a very big change for your body.

Search the archives in this group under any of these topics. We

discussed allot of tips and did searchs when we last talked about

this. Learn about your anatomy. View pictures on how your colon and

rectum is shaped and imagine where the tip of the speculum will be

inside you. You don't want the end of the speculum to come in

contact with the wall of your colon. Use common sense.

Ask questions to the board even if you feel embarrased doing so. What

do you fear? Talk about them now.

If you usually have bulky stools, give yourself a small enema before

doing the colonic. You then will feel more comfortable and have less

mishaps. Hope these suggestions help.

Liz D.

I'm mystified by why a

> colonic would exacerbate a hemmorhoid but perhaps the water

pressure

> was too intense? Anwyay I swear I am going to try my colema later

> today!!! I have to stop with the fidgets and fear.

[Guest guest]

As far as it being a hemmorid? It is possible and it is so that the

bowel doesn't feel pain like the rest of the body. That is the scary

part, you just don't know. My experience with the bleeding that I

had is that it increased day by day including mucus. Guess it was

the linning trying to heal. I had gone to the bathroom and felt that

I had some diarreah and when I got up notice that all I passed was

much mucus and some blood. This last discription isn't a sign of a

hemmorid. You should be able to determine what problem you might

have.

I tried to look for saved information on using peroxide for enemas.

Aparently I didn't save any. I must have scanned the web remembering

key information on the subject.

One thing I remembered that scared me was that peroxide doesn't just

flush through the tissue, but becomes imbedded into it. So you can

get additonal burning to the tissue even after you flushed the water

out of you.

Another thing I recall is that strong solutions of peroxide and

extended use can kill off your good bacteria colonies and burn away

the needed villa on the intestine lining used to absorb nutrients.

Some people take colonics daily. Not very good because your purpose

is supposed to get the body to function normally and to find out and

solve the reason why it is not. 2-3 days a week should be the limit.

For a cleanse.

Also hydrogen peroxide has a shelf life. I had some peroxide that

didn't fizz up when I put it on a cut. Poured it around the sink and

it didn't fizz up. Went to the grocery store for a new bottle. That

bottle didn't fizz up either. Searched on the web for information on

the shelf life of peroxide. The information I found mentioned that

the storage of peroxide must be a cool environment. It can lose

potency in your home, especially kept in kitchen or bath. Also

grocery stores don't store this product in a cool enviroment but drug

stores do. You will buy your best peroxide in a drug store. They

order in smaller supplies and it gets bought quicker.

It may be that people use these full bottles of peroxide in colonics

because it has gone flat and they don't realize it.

Liz D.

> Well it is my conclusion after all your thoughtful post that I

stuck the tip WAY to far up AND used too much Hydrogen Peroxide.

>

> Thank you to all.

>

> Bernadette

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanx Liz. I do have a few questions

1) Whycan't we buy those speculums from a practitioner? Wherver they

get them from we should be able to also?

2) I had a professional colonic once and don't remember it as any big

deal either way--didnt feel better or worse

3) I have elyte electrolyte solution so I coul dtake some after

4) I thought of diong a bifidus implant afterwards as I take that

every day.

5) What do you mean you did an implant and then " boy my yeast cam

eout " ? How did you know it was yeast and how did you see it come out?

[Guest guest]

Re: frequency, I agree, every day is a bit much

Of course I haven't even done one yet

Re: h202, I think you should start with a very low concentration and

see how you feel. Thats probably what I will do. I use h202 every

day, full strength in my ears to clean them out and also half

strength in my water pik. I have never bought a bottle that didn't

fizz (ie had gone flat). I find it very beneficial for oral health.

The colon is probably more delicate and its certainly a lot larger so

you'd absorb more h202. Apparently Vic tolerates a lot, others might

tolerate less. It sounds like a good cleansing method, and since it

oxygenates and kills through free radicals that sounds good too.

[Guest guest]

It looks more like tissue attached to blood that I am loosing. However inspite

of the slight lose and minimal burning. I had come done with a cold yesterday

and I greatly lacked energy and suffered mood swings. Today my cold is gone,

energy is very good and mood is good. I attribute this to the oxygen. I know

myself to well, emotions are my first symptom of a flair up.

[Guest guest]

Well I can imagine why we can't buy them from the practitioner.

Liability. If we goof ourselves up then the first person who we

sue would be the person who sold us the item. I am sure that is

why. It wouldn't hurt to ask if you could buy from them but I

am sure they wouldn't sell it.

It took me 6 visits before I passed mucus. Most people get a full

cleansing at the 6th visit.

Please take your electrolite solution after the colonic. But I have

to say I don't know exactly the formula a person needs to use.

But do, do something, even get better advice.

The implant is the thing to do too. Take them from both ends.

At the colonic I attened, the table was set up with a clear waste

pipe. After holding the implant for 2 minutes and releasing, allot

of yeast passed into the tube. It is usually white colored and it

can be tiny clumps or large clumps. You wouldn't see this doing this

at home over a toilet, but you will feel the difference. And too,

after I got myself off the table I was instructed to sit on the

toilet to allow any additional stuff to come out. She had a foot

stool you can use for greater elimination. And always a little more

water came out with much more yeast. After that I felt refreashed

inside and out.

I asked her about what that was that she uses because it sure does

work. I take good bacteria at home and never felt such a change.

She told me that what she uses is only available to licensed

practicioners

and not to the public. She did sell supplements but was not allowed

to offer this. Bummer isn't it? Can't get the best bacteria or the

best speculum. Sometimes I wonder if we are realy spending our money

on good stuff. Even companies that says they make their stuff this

way or that, I, many times doubt it.

Liz D.

[Guest guest]

You know, if they are sold to practitioners and they're just a tip,

you'd think product makers could sell them since they sell all the

other stuff to regular people. Very frustrating! And that the

formula was proprietary--I think that's just a business answer. If

you can do it all at home well, they lose business. :-) I take E-lyte

electroylyte formula and Concentrace minerals. I have STILL not done

the colema I planned on Saturday! I have had a busy workday today so

I will probably do it tomorrow. Well, once I actually do it and get

used to it I will be past this " fear " thing.

> Well I can imagine why we can't buy them from the practitioner.

> Liability. If we goof ourselves up then the first person who we

> sue would be the person who sold us the item. I am sure that is

> why. It wouldn't hurt to ask if you could buy from them but I

> am sure they wouldn't sell it.

>

> It took me 6 visits before I passed mucus. Most people get a full

> cleansing at the 6th visit.

>

> Please take your electrolite solution after the colonic. But I have

> to say I don't know exactly the formula a person needs to use.

> But do, do something, even get better advice.

>

> The implant is the thing to do too. Take them from both ends.

> At the colonic I attened, the table was set up with a clear waste

> pipe. After holding the implant for 2 minutes and releasing, allot

> of yeast passed into the tube. It is usually white colored and it

> can be tiny clumps or large clumps. You wouldn't see this doing

this

> at home over a toilet, but you will feel the difference. And too,

> after I got myself off the table I was instructed to sit on the

> toilet to allow any additional stuff to come out. She had a foot

> stool you can use for greater elimination. And always a little more

> water came out with much more yeast. After that I felt refreashed

> inside and out.

>

> I asked her about what that was that she uses because it sure does

> work. I take good bacteria at home and never felt such a change.

> She told me that what she uses is only available to licensed

> practicioners

> and not to the public. She did sell supplements but was not allowed

> to offer this. Bummer isn't it? Can't get the best bacteria or the

> best speculum. Sometimes I wonder if we are realy spending our

money

> on good stuff. Even companies that says they make their stuff this

> way or that, I, many times doubt it.

>

> Liz D.

[Guest guest]

Dear Debby,

Yes, vomiting is not uncommon but one of the major signs my drs look for is if I'm vomiting (I go through spells of it) if there is any blood. There should not be! Your GI said there was nothing wrong? I'd definitely follow up with somebody else - you certainly don't want to risk an esophgal bleed - they are very dangereous. Get some one to check you out, pronto!

Amy

Ps As always, I'm not a professional so this is my opinion - even if I sound demanding

[Guest guest]

LOL Amy! Indeed, I did call the doctor today and she returned my

call but did not leave a message because I was outside in the pool. My

stomach seems to feel better in the pool. Anyway, the doctor will call

back tomorrow. I took a Reglan and another Aciphex. With luck, it

seems to be helping a bit tonight. Thanks and no, you aren’t

demanding!

Debby

[ ] Re:

Blood

Dear Debby,

Yes, vomiting is

not uncommon but one of the major signs my drs look for is if I'm vomiting (I

go through spells of it) if there is any blood. There should not

be! Your GI said there was nothing wrong? I'd definitely follow up

with somebody else - you certainly don't want to risk an esophgal bleed - they

are very dangereous. Get some one to check you out, pronto!

Amy

Ps As always, I'm not a professional

so this is my opinion - even if I sound demanding

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[Guest guest]

If U dont hear from ur doctor by 10 am be sure to call them Debby. I

agree that any blood coming up or out from anywhere is not good.

Trish

> LOL Amy! Indeed, I did call the doctor today and she returned my

call but

> did not leave a message because I was outside in the pool. My

stomach seems

> to feel better in the pool. Anyway, the doctor will call back

tomorrow. I

> took a Reglan and another Aciphex. With luck, it seems to be

helping a bit

> tonight. Thanks and no, you aren't demanding!

>

> Debby

>

>

>

> [ ] Re: Blood

>

>

>

> Dear Debby,

>

> Yes, vomiting is not uncommon but one of the major signs my drs

look for

> is if I'm vomiting (I go through spells of it) if there is any

blood.

> There should not be! Your GI said there was nothing wrong? I'd

definitely

> follow up with somebody else - you certainly don't want to risk an

esophgal

> bleed - they are very dangereous. Get some one to check you out,

pronto!

>

>

>

> Amy

>

>

>

> Ps As always, I'm not a professional so this is my opinion - even

if I sound

> demanding

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have been reading all the discussion of blood donations with some confusion. The last time I needed blood, I had had surgery in The Bahamas for a kidney stone. The doctor did not tie everything up properly, and while I was back in my room and still unconscious, I clearly heard the nurse shout, "Oh my God, we're losing her!" and then they ran my bed back to the operating room. I was bleeding internally. Thank God the nurse noticed my blood pressure was falling rapidly in time for them to do something about it (and my roommate's mother verified that I had heard correctly)

After losing so much blood, the doctor wanted to give me transfusions. He told me to ask my friends and family to donate for me. It didn't matter if they had the same blood type or RH factor, they just needed to replace the number of units I would be using with the same number of units. I was leery of getting blood in the Bahamas, and in fact was pretty paranoid about having blood drawn in the public hospital. I was too chicken to ask if they used disposable needles and it was obvious that a lot of people in front of me were Haitian immigrants and I knew that the Bahamas was #3 in per captita AIDS cases.

My husband was a Rasta, and there was no way he was going to donate any blood, and the few friends I had declined also, so I ended up not getting any transfusions (that I know of) and after a few days in bed, my blood had restored itself ok. They still would have liked to give me some blood, but said I would survive without it.

So, I am wondering if the same principle applies in the US? Do they really use the blood of your friends or family for you, or do they just want to make sure the blood bank maintains a stable number of units?

ok, I just went and asked my husband about this. He is a lab tech and does blood bank work. He says in the US, they really use your own blood or the blood of the directed donors, but that the blood bank blood is perfectly safe. I asked about the community blood thing, and he pooh poohed that idea, because the donated blood is red cells, not the white virus cells. I do know they have to examine your blood and the donated blood closely to make sure they are compatible. He said it is very rare for there to be a bad reaction when all the testing is carried out properly.

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[Guest guest]

that reminds me. we had a blood drive at school recently and only 50% of the blood that was donated could be used. apparently, quite a few high school kids have STDs. My husband said that rate wasn't really so high, that only about 50% of blood that gets donated can be used in general blood drives as well. Apparently a lot of donated blood is discarded as unusable.

.. Actually, it is deemed safer than directed donations. The criteria for blood bank blood are so strict, whereas for directed donations, well, you just don't really know how well you know somebody and sometimes they feel they cannot disclose whatever it is that would disqualify them.

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[Guest guest]

I think that once blood is directed for a specific patient (whether by

the patient herself or by another donor), it can't be used for

anything else. At least that's what I was told when I was donating

blood before my surgery.

--

>

>

> I have been reading all the discussion of blood donations with some

confusion. The last time I needed blood, I had had surgery in The

Bahamas for a kidney stone. The doctor did not tie everything up

properly, and while I was back in my room and still unconscious, I

clearly heard the nurse shout, " Oh my God, we're losing her! " and then

they ran my bed back to the operating room. I was bleeding

internally. Thank God the nurse noticed my blood pressure was falling

rapidly in time for them to do something about it (and my roommate's

mother verified that I had heard correctly)

>

>

>

> After losing so much blood, the doctor wanted to give me

transfusions. He told me to ask my friends and family to donate for

me. It didn't matter if they had the same blood type or RH factor,

they just needed to replace the number of units I would be using with

the same number of units. I was leery of getting blood in the

Bahamas, and in fact was pretty paranoid about having blood drawn in

the public hospital. I was too chicken to ask if they used disposable

needles and it was obvious that a lot of people in front of me were

Haitian immigrants and I knew that the Bahamas was #3 in per captita

AIDS cases.

>

>

>

> My husband was a Rasta, and there was no way he was going to donate

any blood, and the few friends I had declined also, so I ended up not

getting any transfusions (that I know of) and after a few days in bed,

my blood had restored itself ok. They still would have liked to give

me some blood, but said I would survive without it.

>

>

>

> So, I am wondering if the same principle applies in the US? Do they

really use the blood of your friends or family for you, or do they

just want to make sure the blood bank maintains a stable number of units?

>

>

>

> ok, I just went and asked my husband about this. He is a lab tech

and does blood bank work. He says in the US, they really use your own

blood or the blood of the directed donors, but that the blood bank

blood is perfectly safe. I asked about the community blood thing, and

he pooh poohed that idea, because the donated blood is red cells, not

the white virus cells. I do know they have to examine your blood and

the donated blood closely to make sure they are compatible. He said

it is very rare for there to be a bad reaction when all the testing is

carried out properly.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

ive never heard of it. do you smoke?

From: allenwilson67 <allenwilson67@...>

Subject: BLOOD

Hepatitis C

Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 7:09 PM

 

TODAY i SPLIT UP A LITTLE BLOOD IS THAT NORMAL FOR HAVING HEPC

[Guest guest]

>

> TODAY i SPLIT UP A LITTLE BLOOD IS THAT NORMAL FOR HAVING HEPC

>

NO BUT I TAKE 5 BLOOD PRESSURE PILLS A DAY

[Guest guest]

>

>i ALSO TAKE FIVE BLOOD PRESSURE PILL A DAY. sOME THINGS i EAT RELLY UPSET MY

STOMACH.

>

[Guest guest]

,

Spitting up blood is never normal. It is usually a sign of something else going

on inside the body. I highly recommend you call your primary care doctor this

morning first thing when they open. If they cannot see you call your gastero and

let them know what is going on. I was diagnosed with hep c at age 11 I received

it from a blood transfussion at birth. I can tell you from my experience that

this is not normal.

________________________________

From: allenwilson67 <allenwilson67@...>

Hepatitis C

Sent: Sun, March 28, 2010 8:09:07 PM

Subject: BLOOD

 

TODAY i SPLIT UP A LITTLE BLOOD IS THAT NORMAL FOR HAVING HEPC

[Guest guest]

>

> TODAY i SPLIT UP A LITTLE BLOOD IS THAT NORMAL FOR HAVING HEPC

>

Portal Hypertension / Esophageal Varices

Blood is carried through the liver by a blood vessel called the portal vein. In

hepatitis, swelling of the liver can restrict the flow of blood. As blood flow

is restricted, the pressure in the portal vein increases. This higher blood

pressure in the portal vein is called portal hypertension.

The blood flowing through the portal vein is trying to return to the heart, so

when blood flow through the portal vein is restricted, blood has to find another

route and return to the heart using other blood vessels. These vessels become

swollen because of the increased amount of blood flowing through them. These

swollen blood vessels are called varices (like varicose veins). These swollen

blood vessels were not intended to carry high volumes of blood under high

pressure, so they can become stretched. This stretching makes them very fragile

and they can bleed easily. The esophagus is the tube that passes food from the

mouth to the stomach. Varicies can develop in the esophagus, and the passage of

food through the esophagus can cause these varices to bleed. Bleeding from a

broken blood vessel is serious and can even be fatal.