Re: Re: Keim

[Guest guest]

Hi Ann,

I don’t think I saw very much of Keim

because I can’t really remember him – or maybe I was in denial and

never ‘took him in’ – never registered what he looked like or

acted like. I was 18 and flipping out (internally). I couldn’t stand the

fact that all those hospital personnel were seeing me naked! I do remember his

assistant, though – a younger guy, kind of nice-looking. I remember him

because he was a real jerk. He actually laughed at me when I was crying because

the neck of the plaster cast was too high and tight, was digging into my neck.

I was feeling claustrophobic and terrified – and he laughed! He flirted

with my mother, too! What an ---hole.

Andy

[ ] Re:

Keim

I don't have a lot of good things to say about the man

except that Rand

said my HR surgery was " state of the

art " for the time. Keim certainly

never treated me with any respect and although I

was a kid I knew

enough to recognize that I was just another spine

to him. What a

difference in how Rand treats me. Ann

[Guest guest]

Andy, maybe I'm a snot, but that assistant is just the kind of guy you'd like to see in halo traction and multiple casts after a major collision, no?!

RE: [ ] Re: Keim

Hi Ann,

I don’t think I saw very much of Keim because I can’t really remember him – or maybe I was in denial and never ‘took him in’ – never registered what he looked like or acted like. I was 18 and flipping out (internally). I couldn’t stand the fact that all those hospital personnel were seeing me naked! I do remember his assistant, though – a younger guy, kind of nice-looking. I remember him because he was a real jerk. He actually laughed at me when I was crying because the neck of the plaster cast was too high and tight, was digging into my neck. I was feeling claustrophobic and terrified – and he laughed! He flirted with my mother, too! What an ---hole.

Andy

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ae_mcd2003Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Keim

I don't have a lot of good things to say about the man except that Rand said my HR surgery was "state of the art" for the time. Keim certainly never treated me with any respect and although I was a kid I knew enough to recognize that I was just another spine to him. What a difference in how Rand treats me. Ann

[Guest guest]

Hi Ann,

I was 36 and he was sort of ok, but never known for his bedside manner.

Bonnie

---- Original Message -----

From: ae_mcd2003

Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:32 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Keim

I don't have a lot of good things to say about the man except that Rand said my HR surgery was "state of the art" for the time. Keim certainly never treated me with any respect and although I was a kid I knew enough to recognize that I was just another spine to him. What a difference in how Rand treats me. Ann

[Guest guest]

Yes!

RE: [ ] Re: Keim

Hi Ann,

I don’t think I saw very much of Keim because I can’t really remember him – or maybe I was in denial and never ‘took him in’ – never registered what he looked like or acted like. I was 18 and flipping out (internally). I couldn’t stand the fact that all those hospital personnel were seeing me naked! I do remember his assistant, though – a younger guy, kind of nice-looking. I remember him because he was a real jerk. He actually laughed at me when I was crying because the neck of the plaster cast was too high and tight, was digging into my neck. I was feeling claustrophobic and terrified – and he laughed! He flirted with my mother, too! What an ---hole.

Andy

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ae_mcd2003Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Keim

I don't have a lot of good things to say about the man except that Rand said my HR surgery was "state of the art" for the time. Keim certainly never treated me with any respect and although I was a kid I knew enough to recognize that I was just another spine to him. What a difference in how Rand treats me. Ann

[Guest guest]

Yes you'd like to see it, or yes, I'm a snot?!

RE: [ ] Re: Keim

Hi Ann,

I don’t think I saw very much of Keim because I can’t really remember him – or maybe I was in denial and never ‘took him in’ – never registered what he looked like or acted like. I was 18 and flipping out (internally). I couldn’t stand the fact that all those hospital personnel were seeing me naked! I do remember his assistant, though – a younger guy, kind of nice-looking. I remember him because he was a real jerk. He actually laughed at me when I was crying because the neck of the plaster cast was too high and tight, was digging into my neck. I was feeling claustrophobic and terrified – and he laughed! He flirted with my mother, too! What an ---hole.

Andy

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ae_mcd2003Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Keim

I don't have a lot of good things to say about the man except that Rand said my HR surgery was "state of the art" for the time. Keim certainly never treated me with any respect and although I was a kid I knew enough to recognize that I was just another spine to him. What a difference in how Rand treats me. Ann

[Guest guest]

I was a babe when I had my HR surgery with Dr Keim....he was great with me, except for the brownie thing! He always spoke to me and wanted my answers not my parents! He gave me his home phone number because he wanted me to feel free to call him if I had any questions or concerns about the surgery. He gave me the name and number of another girl that had the HR surgery so that I could call her and talk to her too. After 23 years I hunted him down and called him to ask his advise on my situation with my back ( which he gave and the name of who he felt was the best), he gave me his cell phone number as well and told me to keep intouch. His wife even asked that if I were in the area to come for a visit. Maybe he mellowed over the years....and was different when I had my surgery, I don't know, weird right?Bonnie <bonnie@...> wrote: Hi Ann, I was 36 and he was sort of ok, but never known for his bedside manner. Bonnie ---- Original Message ----- From: ae_mcd2003 Sent:

Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Keim I don't have a lot of good things to say about the man except that Rand said my HR surgery was "state of the art" for the time. Keim certainly never treated me with any respect and although I was a kid I knew enough to recognize that I was just another spine to him. What a difference in how Rand treats me. Ann

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[Guest guest]

Yes I'd like to see it, of course!

RE: [ ] Re: Keim

Hi Ann,

I don’t think I saw very much of Keim because I can’t really remember him – or maybe I was in denial and never ‘took him in’ – never registered what he looked like or acted like. I was 18 and flipping out (internally). I couldn’t stand the fact that all those hospital personnel were seeing me naked! I do remember his assistant, though – a younger guy, kind of nice-looking. I remember him because he was a real jerk. He actually laughed at me when I was crying because the neck of the plaster cast was too high and tight, was digging into my neck. I was feeling claustrophobic and terrified – and he laughed! He flirted with my mother, too! What an ---hole.

Andy

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ae_mcd2003Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Keim

I don't have a lot of good things to say about the man except that Rand said my HR surgery was "state of the art" for the time. Keim certainly never treated me with any respect and although I was a kid I knew enough to recognize that I was just another spine to him. What a difference in how Rand treats me. Ann

[Guest guest]

Couldn't resist being silly.

:^D

I knew what you meant.

RE: [ ] Re: Keim

Hi Ann,

I don’t think I saw very much of Keim because I can’t really remember him – or maybe I was in denial and never ‘took him in’ – never registered what he looked like or acted like. I was 18 and flipping out (internally). I couldn’t stand the fact that all those hospital personnel were seeing me naked! I do remember his assistant, though – a younger guy, kind of nice-looking. I remember him because he was a real jerk. He actually laughed at me when I was crying because the neck of the plaster cast was too high and tight, was digging into my neck. I was feeling claustrophobic and terrified – and he laughed! He flirted with my mother, too! What an ---hole.

Andy

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ae_mcd2003Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Keim

I don't have a lot of good things to say about the man except that Rand said my HR surgery was "state of the art" for the time. Keim certainly never treated me with any respect and although I was a kid I knew enough to recognize that I was just another spine to him. What a difference in how Rand treats me. Ann

[Guest guest]

Wow, are you two talking about the same guy?

Maybe Suzie was a favorite of his?

Very strange.

Sharon

[ ] Re: Keim

>>

>>

>> I don't have a lot of good things to say about the man except that

> Rand

>> said my HR surgery was " state of the art " for the time. Keim

> certainly

>> never treated me with any respect and although I was a kid I knew

>> enough to recognize that I was just another spine to him. What a

>> difference in how Rand treats me. Ann

>>

>>

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>>

>>

>> scoliosis veterans * flatback sufferers * revision candidates

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

,

Gee. , my son, had a 20 degree curve (varied 18-20) for 5 years and Dr. Keim never suggested surgery. He only suggested surgery when 's curve went from 18 to 50 in 3 months. No doubts at that point!

Sometime after 1987, Dr. Keim lost a malpractice suit to the tune of either 2 or 3 million dollars, I don't remember which. I always thought it terribly unfair. It had nothing to do with the surgery itself, rather the lawsuit was all about the patient's so-called inability to talk to Dr. Keim after the surgery. The outcome of surgery was not part of the suit, if I remember correctly. Dr. Keim was modified. No matter what else may be said about him, he was tops in his field. And he did care, I think. Did you know that his second wife is a lady he met when she was a scoli patient of his?

Bonnie

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Hi Ann....I no longer remember where I heard this, but I was told that Keim wasdisciplined by his peers for having performed surgery on many kids whohad 20-30 degree curves. Regards,>> What year did you have your surgery? I went back to see Keim in 1989 > when I could no longer compensate for my flatback. He told me I had a > herniated disk and referred me to a pain management person. At that > time Rand had already been doing revision for flatback for years. It > wasn't in Keim's vocabulary or he didn't want to admit that this was > happening...don't know for sure. I do know that he charged WAY more > than other surgeons, had a PR firm working for him, ran a scoliosis > factory of sorts (8 kids on my floor when I was in the hospital) and > IMHO seemed to care more about his horses than his patients.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

My first surgery was in 1973, with Keim.

It’s been blowing my mind to read all the posts about him. Back then he

was just a sort of dream – well, nightmare – figure. Now everyone

is fleshing him out for me – he was a real person with a life! Who knew?

Does anyone know if he’s still alive???

Andy

[ ] Re:

Keim

Andy

what year was your surgery?

, I haven't thought about this is years but I

had a copy of that

book and I burned it in effigy when I was in

college. hehe. I thought

it was a symbolic end to my scoliosis

woes....little did I know.

[Guest guest]

Mm. Can a person who loves horses be all bad?

RE: [ ] Re: Keim

Hi,

My first surgery was in 1973, with Keim. It’s been blowing my mind to read all the posts about him. Back then he was just a sort of dream – well, nightmare – figure. Now everyone is fleshing him out for me – he was a real person with a life! Who knew? Does anyone know if he’s still alive???

Andy

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ae_mcd2003Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 2:36 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Keim

Andy what year was your surgery? , I haven't thought about this is years but I had a copy of that book and I burned it in effigy when I was in college. hehe. I thought it was a symbolic end to my scoliosis woes....little did I know.

[Guest guest]

No, everyone did not have the exact same surgery with Dr. Keim. My son's levels are very different than mine - his curve was much higher.

[ ] Re: Keim

yeah I heard this too and I think Bonnie said he was forced into early retirement. He had good skills I think but I've also heard we all had the same surgery (same levels fused) no matter what the curve.Enough about him...that's all in the past now! It does kind of once again illustrate the importance of a group like this...doesn't it?> >> > What year did you have your surgery? I went back to see Keim in 1989 > > when I could no longer compensate for my flatback. He told me I had a > > herniated disk and referred me to a pain management person. At that > > time Rand had already been doing revision for flatback for years. It > > wasn't in Keim's vocabulary or he didn't want to admit that this was > > happening...don't know for sure. I do know that he charged WAY more > > than other surgeons, had a PR firm working for him, ran a scoliosis > > factory of sorts (8 kids on my floor when I was in the hospital) and > > IMHO seemed to care more about his horses than his patients.>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ann,

I was just stating my own feelings, didn't mean anything about what you said or thought. Really.

Bonnie

[ ] Re: Keim

Bonnie, We have written about this before...but please don't get me wrong...looking at the big picture...Keim definitely did good work and I am honestly very glad that your son and you had positive experiences and that your son continues to do well. Ann

[Guest guest]

He is alive and living in the Tampa Bay Area in Florida... Racine <linda@...> wrote: Andy...Yes, he's still alive.-->> Hi,> > > > My first surgery was in 1973, with Keim. It's been blowing my mindto read> all the posts about him. Back then he was just a sort of dream - well,> nightmare - figure. Now everyone is fleshing him out for me - he wasa real> person with a life! Who knew? Does anyone know if he's still alive???> > > > Andy> > > > [ ] Re: Keim> > > > Andy what year was your surgery? > > , I haven't thought about this is years but I had a copy of that > book and I burned it in effigy when I was in college. hehe. I thought > it was a symbolic end to my scoliosis woes....little did I know.> > > > > > > scoliosis veterans * flatback sufferers * revision candidates > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hey and everyone,

Check out this excerpt from the St. sburg (Florida) Times:

Dr. Hugo Keim

and his wife, , have a main reason for helping disabled children through

their Chair Scholars program.

Someone

helped them.

Keim was

a second-year medical student at Loyola University in Chicago

when he needed surgery on his left eye. He had been blind in that eye since

childhood, but the lens had dislocated and he needed major surgery.

After the

operation, both eyes were bandaged for five weeks. Keim lost 40 pounds, and the

dean told him he should just go home and do his second year over again. But Keim

asked for a chance to try. Fraternity brothers and friends helped him prepare

for his finals, taking notes, reading to him and tutoring him.

" It

was just unbelievable to me, " Keim said. " They carried my books,

drove me to and from school. That year, I got the best grades I ever got in med

school. "

Hugo

overcame his disabilities and became a renowned surgeon as the chief of spinal

services at Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center in New York. He

met , a computer services engineer, as a patient because she had spent

years suffering from scoliosis. Hugo helped attach a 22-inch rod to her spine,

fusing it to 14 vertebrae.

The

couple gives back by providing college scholarships to physically disabled teens.

It started 13 years ago with two scholarships. ChairScholars will grant 60

scholarships to Tampa Bay area kids at the charity's annual

festival today in Odessa.

Keim is

quick to credit the generosity of others and notes that 98 cents of every

dollar donated to ChairScholars goes to fund scholarships. The festival, which

is expected to draw 700 people, will feature several activities for scholarship

recipients and their siblings.

" It's

just a concerted group of very wonderful and philanthropic people donating

their time and energy for a day of fun and games, " Keim said.

I'm sure

it's about all of those things, but it's also about altering the lives of

deserving students, just like someone altered the lives of Hugo and long

ago.

Andy

[ ] Re: Keim

>

>

>

> Andy what year was your surgery?

>

> , I haven't thought about this is years

but I had a copy of that

> book and I burned it in effigy when I was in

college. hehe. I thought

> it was a symbolic end to my scoliosis

woes....little did I know.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> scoliosis veterans * flatback sufferers *

revision candidates

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Suzie,

I just found this article about Keim

(below). Thanks for giving me his location!

Andy

Founded on a National level in 1992 by Dr.

Hugo Keim and his wife, , the ChairScholars Foundation provides a college

or vocational school education for students with severe physical challenges and

financial need.

On April 24th, 2004,

the Eighth Annual ChairScholars " Contract

Signing " Festival was held at the home of

Dr. Hugo and Keim in Odessa, Florida (next to Tampa).

A world-renowned orthopedic surgeon, Dr. Keim

served for 29 years as Chief of Spinal Surgery at the Columbia

Presbyterian Medical Center in New

York City, performing more

than 5,000 operations and developing an international practice. He has

been featured in several national news programs and publications.

Dr. Keim and both overcame

significant physical challenges to become leaders in their respective

careers. They created the foundation to help others with physical

challenges because they strongly believe “no physical impairment should

deter a motivated mind.” In 1996, the Keims created a scholarship

program specifically for physically challenged students in the Tampa

Bay area. By 2005, more than 284 scholarships were

awarded to these “local” students.

The " Festival " is a free day

of fun and games to honor past ChairScholars and the new class of " 2004 " .

The Foundation has awarded more then 392

scholarships through the National and Tampa Bay programs from its inception in 1992 to 2005.

ChairScholar recipients have attended or

currently attend some of the most respected colleges and universities, including

the University of California, Louisiana Sate University, Boston College, Oregon

State University, the University of Illinois, the University of Wisconsin, the

University of Pennsylvania, Notre Dame University, the University of Tampa and

the University of South Florida.

The awarding a all new scholarships

was done by the past Mayor of Tampa, Mr. Greco and his wife, .

Currently, each National ChairScholar

receives between $3,000 to $5,000 per year for tuition and school expenses, up

to a maximum of $20,000 for a four-year education.

Re: [ ]

Re: Keim

§

He is alive and living in the Tampa Bay Area in

Florida...

[Guest guest]

Hi Andy~ Thank you for sending this to me...I knew that they had started the foundation and he remains very active today in a ton of charitable arenas...he also still does consulting for former patients and fellow doctors. He was always very generous with me in the past and when I needed him again when facing the need for more surgery he stepped up and helped me again! I am grateful to him for giving me as many years as my HR surgery did and for again giving me a chance to have a future all these years later. Thanks again! Have a great afternoon! SuzieAndy Stanton <andystanton@...> wrote: Hi

Suzie, I just found this article about Keim (below). Thanks for giving me his location! Andy Founded on a National level in 1992 by Dr. Hugo Keim and his wife, , the ChairScholars Foundation provides a college or vocational school education for students with severe physical challenges and financial need. On April 24th, 2004, the Eighth Annual ChairScholars "Contract Signing" Festival was held at the home of Dr. Hugo and Keim in Odessa, Florida (next to Tampa). A world-renowned orthopedic surgeon, Dr. Keim served for 29 years as Chief of Spinal Surgery at the Columbia

Presbyterian Medical Center in New York City, performing more than 5,000 operations and developing an international practice. He has been featured in several national news programs and publications. Dr. Keim and both overcame significant physical challenges to become leaders in their respective careers. They created the foundation to help others with physical challenges because they strongly believe “no physical impairment should deter a motivated mind.” In 1996, the Keims created a scholarship program specifically for physically challenged students in the Tampa Bay area. By 2005, more than 284 scholarships were awarded to these “local” students. The "Festival" is a free day of fun and games to honor past ChairScholars and the new class of "2004". The Foundation

has awarded more then 392 scholarships through the National and Tampa Bay programs from its inception in 1992 to 2005. ChairScholar recipients have attended or currently attend some of the most respected colleges and universities, including the University of California, Louisiana Sate University, Boston College, Oregon State University, the University of

Illinois, the University of Wisconsin, the University of Pennsylvania, Notre Dame University, the University of Tampa and the University of South Florida. The awarding a all new scholarships was done by the past Mayor of Tampa, Mr. Greco and his wife, . Currently, each National

ChairScholar receives between $3,000 to $5,000 per year for tuition and school expenses, up to a maximum of $20,000 for a four-year education. -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Suzie Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 9:48 PMTo:

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Keim § He is alive and living in the Tampa Bay Area in Florida...

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[Guest guest]

So he actually married a former patient?! I guess she was more than just a spine to him!

[ ] Re: Keim> > > > Andy what year was your surgery? > > , I haven't thought about this is years but I had a copy of that > book and I burned it in effigy when I was in college. hehe. I thought > it was a symbolic end to my scoliosis woes....little did I know.> > > > > > > scoliosis veterans * flatback sufferers * revision candidates > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I don't suppose has flatback...

RE: [ ] Re: Keim

Hi Andy~

Thank you for sending this to me...I knew that they had started the foundation and he remains very active today in a ton of charitable arenas...he also still does consulting for former patients and fellow doctors. He was always very generous with me in the past and when I needed him again when facing the need for more surgery he stepped up and helped me again! I am grateful to him for giving me as many years as my HR surgery did and for again giving me a chance to have a future all these years later.

Thanks again!

Have a great afternoon!

SuzieAndy Stanton <andystanton@...> wrote:

Hi Suzie,

I just found this article about Keim (below). Thanks for giving me his location!

Andy

Founded on a National level in 1992 by Dr. Hugo Keim and his wife, , the ChairScholars Foundation provides a college or vocational school education for students with severe physical challenges and financial need.

On April 24th, 2004, the Eighth Annual ChairScholars "Contract Signing" Festival was held at the home of Dr. Hugo and Keim in Odessa, Florida (next to Tampa).

A world-renowned orthopedic surgeon, Dr. Keim served for 29 years as Chief of Spinal Surgery at the Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center in New York City, performing more than 5,000 operations and developing an international practice. He has been featured in several national news programs and publications.

Dr. Keim and both overcame significant physical challenges to become leaders in their respective careers. They created the foundation to help others with physical challenges because they strongly believe “no physical impairment should deter a motivated mind.” In 1996, the Keims created a scholarship program specifically for physically challenged students in the Tampa Bay area. By 2005, more than 284 scholarships were awarded to these “local” students.

The "Festival" is a free day of fun and games to honor past ChairScholars and the new class of "2004".

The Foundation has awarded more then 392 scholarships through the National and Tampa Bay programs from its inception in 1992 to 2005.

ChairScholar recipients have attended or currently attend some of the most respected colleges and universities, including the University of California, Louisiana Sate University, Boston College, Oregon State University, the University of Illinois, the University of Wisconsin, the University of Pennsylvania, Notre Dame University, the University of Tampa and the University of South Florida.

The awarding a all new scholarships was done by the past Mayor of Tampa, Mr. Greco and his wife, .

Currently, each National ChairScholar receives between $3,000 to $5,000 per year for tuition and school expenses, up to a maximum of $20,000 for a four-year education.

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Suzie Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Keim

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