Labeling

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I think that what I will do this weekend is go through ALL of the labels

that I have made for all of my products and REALLY change them and make sure

that they are all updated with what I should have on there. I have already

changed the ones for my body sugar scrub and bath kisses. I want to make

sure that everything is right. I really want to do this right. Yeah, I guess

I'm a little afraid of putting " Warning: the safety of this product has not

yet been determined " on my labels ... but it is worth it. Thanks, everyone,

for your help!!!

~nne

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I have that warning on my bath salts. I don't think I

ever lost a sale over it. People did look at me funny

when they read the label & I was sure to explain why

it was there. I forgot to put it on my lotion bar

labels though, will have to add that on the next

batch.

Does it have to be on the label of lotions, etc. where

I've only added fo to a base? Hadn't given that much

thought.

Thanks for posting those pages again . I never

remember to bookmark them!!!

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At 08:19 PM 4/22/02 +0000, you wrote:

>If you are giving the stuff away, then I don't think there is any problem at

>all. Soap is exempt from labeling requirements. Cosmetics and things making

>any sort of " claim " need an ingredient listing. Good luck. By the way,

>Melody is asking for the recipe, if you care to share, for the sports wash.

>Maybe you could post it, if it is not private. Thanks.

but the sports wash that she's making is based on commercial aloe

gel...it's not a soap, by any stretch of the definition... seems to me she

needs to be listing the ingredients properly.....

and the problem with that, of course, is...if you are using a commercial

aloe gel..you need THEIR ingredients... and you don't know the %age of the

preservative.

so where, on YOUR ingredients list, do the essential oils go?

BTW, I am assuming that the aloe gel is well preserved by its

manufacturer...since the eo's in and of themselves need no preservatives,

if you are following good manufacturing processes, avoiding any

contamination of the gel, and bottling under near sterile conditions, then

the preservative system in the gel should be enough...

I THINK...but I'm far from an expert on this.

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Here is a site that may be of more help in the sopa labeling.

http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-215.html

Sherry

-- Re:labeling

At 08:19 PM 4/22/02 +0000, you wrote:

>If you are giving the stuff away, then I don't think there is any problem

at

>all. Soap is exempt from labeling requirements. Cosmetics and things making

>any sort of " claim " need an ingredient listing. Good luck. By the way,

>Melody is asking for the recipe, if you care to share, for the sports wash.

>Maybe you could post it, if it is not private. Thanks.

but the sports wash that she's making is based on commercial aloe

gel...it's not a soap, by any stretch of the definition... seems to me she

needs to be listing the ingredients properly.....

and the problem with that, of course, is...if you are using a commercial

aloe gel..you need THEIR ingredients... and you don't know the %age of the

preservative.

so where, on YOUR ingredients list, do the essential oils go?

BTW, I am assuming that the aloe gel is well preserved by its

manufacturer...since the eo's in and of themselves need no preservatives,

if you are following good manufacturing processes, avoiding any

contamination of the gel, and bottling under near sterile conditions, then

the preservative system in the gel should be enough...

I THINK...but I'm far from an expert on this.

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Rosemary

If the ingredients were not listed on the jar in the health food store,

then they are in violation of the FDA rules which state that all cosmetics

must be labeled with a list of all ingredients by the INCI names.

hth

Sherry

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Speaking of labeling and FDA rules....I wonder why they are such sticklers

for labeling (well I understand that part) but then a lot of your cosmetics

are not labeled with ingredients. I had purchased and used these for years

and never looked at the label. I pulled some from my cupboard yesterday just

out of curiosity looked at the label for ingredients...there were none, just

directions for use..and these were high dollar lotions and creams too. Name

brand I won't mention...but very well known brand sold in homes across the

country. No ingredients on any of it. I quickly packed them away and decided

not to use them anymore because of that. You sure can learn a lot when you

start making your own products and researching what goes into them..

I wonder why they don't have to have their ingredients listed on the

jars/bottles.....They've been around for centuries. Is it because they

aren't sold in stores maybe? Just in home dealers.

Pam

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> out of curiosity looked at the label for ingredients...

Hi,

If the product came packaged in a box then it probably was on the

box, that is legal too, as are hangtags.

HTH,

Jen

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Sherry: Unfortunately, even some of the biggest cosmetic manufacturers

do not comply with FDA regs.

I use a product from Estee Lauder, that makes a claim, Swiss performing

Extract. No place either on the bottle or the box, does it list the

ingredients. It states it's claim, and gives directions, along with

address.

Nothing else. I have often wondered how much they had to pay for this

privledge........Holly

On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:13:24 -0400 " Sherry Barker "

<sherryscreations2@...> writes:

>

> Rosemary

> If the ingredients were not listed on the jar in the health food

> store,

> then they are in violation of the FDA rules which state that all

> cosmetics

> must be labeled with a list of all ingredients by the INCI names.

>

> hth

> Sherry

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Jen! I'll see if I have any I haven't opened yet and see if they come

in boxes, I can't remember..but I don't think so. My DIL is dealer of the

products, so I'll ask her tonight. Curiosity got me..so I'll have to check

into that.

Good idea!

pam

[Guest guest]

> Thanks Jen! I'll see if I have any I haven't opened yet and see if

they come

> in boxes

Years ago when I sold Kay, we could purchase a book from the

company that listed all the ingredients to all their products. This

way if we had a customer that wanted to know the ingredients we could

give it to them.

Maybe therein lies the solution. Perhaps the larger companies need

only have the ingredients available to the public but not necessarily

on the product itself???

T_S Cyn

[Guest guest]

I also thought it was a law to place a list of all ingredients on

products! Hmmmm-----why would the bigger companies NOT do this???? Its

not fair to the customers who buy into their products--what if you had

some kind of allergic reaction and the ingredients werent there to help

you figure out what your allergic too. These days with all the hell

thats going on since last Sept. 11th----I personally would never buy or

make anything that did not have ingredients listed!!!!! Becareful!!!

Misty

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Thanks for the post Pam to clear that up.

In the use of the word " your " it did seem you were referring to me, since

you were responding to my post about labeling.

Gosh, I would hate to have readers think that I did not comply with FDA

requirements --- since I am the one who posted the rules! LOL!

" Cosmectics " products, according to FDA is everything that is NOT classified

as " soap " or a " drug " .....so all lotions, creams, bath products, shampoo,

etc. are classified as cosmetics and fall under the " Labeling Rule " .

The reason why some companies do not list all the ingredients is because

they classify for the " Trade Secret " Exception, which states that if the

ingredients used in making a product are a trade secret, then the company

does not have to list all ingredients in the label. But they would have to

apply for this Trade Secret status with the FDA. I am assuming it costs big

bucks to do so, therefore only the Big Companies have the money to do this.

Otherwise all of us must list all ingredients on all of our toiletries

products. And there are also rules on " where and how to apply " the labels.

This info can view on the FDA site under cosmetic labeling.

Sherry

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Pam,

You can bet in the past few years things have changed. I also sell a " large "

cosmetics brand. There MUST always be an access the customer has to the list

of ingredients. Plus, ours were listed somewhere, many times on the box or a

insert with the product.

HOWEVER,,,,,,,,,,,,,even things with that is changing. We were informed the

FDA states certain jars, containers MUST be labeled with all ingredients.

They are looking at the new alpha hydroxys and some others that are for

certain must be labeled, I believe by Oct, 2002.

But even with those in the store and home sold there was a listing available

to customers, the seller HAD to be able to produce it also!!!

Believe me, I always wanted to know what was used on my face and WHAT to

inform my clients what they were using.

Cate

[Guest guest]

The manf. should send you a list of all the ingredients in order of

predominace and the INCI name for the ingredient. Then you would list the

INCI name of the ingredients in order of predominance along with ANY

ingredient that you might add to the base as well.

Generally their preservation system should be adequate for their product if

they have their product tested for gram positive bacteria, and then unless

you add oils or water based ingredients then you would not have to worry

about adding more preservatives.

hth

Sherry

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>>>>>>>>>I wonder why " Burt's Bees Products are labeled using every day

>>>>>>>>>english???<<<<<

If they are, then they are breaking the Law. BUT.....I think they use the

INCI name AND in parenthesis the common name, which is allowed.

With Soap, if you make NO claims that it does anything other than clean,

[which makes it a cosmetic] you do NOT have to provide ingredient labeling,

or you can label with common names because it is not a cosmetic, just soap.

There are very strict rules for labeling of any cosmetic in the US, and many

businesses have been shut down for not following the law and others have

been warned [burt's Bees and Aubrey are two of them that have been warned by

the FDA for improper labeling---read warning letters at the FDA site].

Personally, I would not be willing to take that chance. There is always

someone out there that WILL report you to the FDA. Making falce claims, and

improper labeling are the number one reasons why companies are reported to

the FDA. Oh, I know there are many home-crafters who do not follow the

labeling rules too, but those who do, often WILL report, those who don't.

And even without the Law that mandates ingredient labeling,.......it makes

good marketing sense to tell the public what is in your product in case they

may be allergic to one or more ingredients.

For example, if your product contained peanut oil, there are those that are

deathly allergic to it, and could use your product and suffer or die from

it.....so it makes good business sence to follow the law and label according

to FDA rules, for your business safety and those of the public. And in

today's world, most people read labels and want to know what they are

putting in and on their bodies.

hth

Sherry

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[Guest guest]

Excuse me but they are not using INCI names and in parenthesis common. I

don't understand how they get away with using everyday english when the

rest of us have to learn a second language. For instance: Burt's Bees

Lemon Butter cuticle creme: ingredients--Sweet almond oil, beeswax,

lemon oil, tocopheryl acetate & tocopheryl(vitamin E), cocoa butter,

candellia wax, rosemary extract, beta-carotene. This is what the label

says. Check out their other products the next time you see them

somewhere. I really disagree with the FDA on the labeling issue as the

average Joe knows that they are allergic to say avocado oil but may not

know that they are allergic to Persea Gratissima oil!!! JMHO, Kim

Re: labeling

>>>>>>>>>I wonder why " Burt's Bees Products are labeled using every day

>>>>>>>>>english???<<<<<

If they are, then they are breaking the Law. BUT.....I think they use

the

INCI name AND in parenthesis the common name, which is allowed.

With Soap, if you make NO claims that it does anything other than clean,

[which makes it a cosmetic] you do NOT have to provide ingredient

labeling,

or you can label with common names because it is not a cosmetic, just

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hey traci...

i guess we have to think about it as the little guy against the big guy. when i

first started my business a few months ago, i had no idea about the labeling

stuff. i've become a label reader and i think the same things as you.

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You don't have to label soaps with INCI names unless you make

a cosmetic claim. " True " soaps are regulated by the Consumer

Product Safety Commission, not FDA, and do not require

ingredient labeling.

Companies can also apply to the FDA (if they are making a

cosmetic claim) to use the actual ingredient name and not the

INCI name.

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-215.html

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-218.html

> no INCI names or anything. How could anyone smart enough

> to get their products into a major grocery store chain make

> such a mess of the labeling? I think it's frustrating to see so

> many people trying their hardest to understand and comply

> with labelling requirements (judging from the fairly recent INCI

> threads) and then go to the store and see these products!

>

> Traci

[Guest guest]

Labels labels and more labels!I want my label to say " Preshrunk " on it.

*giggle*

Sabrena

Re: Labeling!

the funny thing with labels and labeling, is that I or even we as a

group can then call ourselves, " those who refuse to be known by a

label " , but then that in and by itself will label us as, " the non-

labeled " . lol

so, in other words, I don't know if we or anyone, the " non-dwarfed "

included, see I just gave them a label-those outside of us:P, can or

will ever escaped being labeled. because labels do define pretty much

everything and everyone.

perhaps, the best thing we can do is this: to affix a better

definition to that pre-existing label attached to us, or at least

clarify what it really means when that label is affixed to us.

just some non-labeling thoughts on labels by grady, the dwarf who

thinks he isn't one, but then realizes he is one when he can't grab

the Spaghetti-O's off the shelf of his supermarket!

[Guest guest]

How about " I'm not overweight, I'm undersized " ?

Re: labeling

Labels labels and more labels!I want my label to say " Preshrunk " on it.

*giggle*

Sabrena

[Guest guest]

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME !IVE ASKED A FEW PEOPLE FOR

HELP AND THEY WERE NO HELP WHATSOEVER ... PLEASE CAN

YOU HELP ME !

--- Sabrena and/or <sabrenar00@...>

wrote:

> Labels labels and more labels!I want my label to say

> " Preshrunk " on it.

> *giggle*

> Sabrena

[Guest guest]

Help you with what ? This is the second time you have asked for help

but you never specified what kind of help you want. It is hard to help

someone, or even know if you can help them at all, if they don't tell you

what they need. Heck, I don't even know if you sent this to me privately,

or on the dwarfism list because both addresses are in the " send to " line.

Sabrena, who is really confuzzled now

Re: Re: labeling

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME !IVE ASKED A FEW PEOPLE FOR

HELP AND THEY WERE NO HELP WHATSOEVER ... PLEASE CAN

YOU HELP ME !

--- Sabrena and/or <sabrenar00@...>

wrote:

> Labels labels and more labels!I want my label to say

> " Preshrunk " on it.

> *giggle*

> Sabrena

===

[Guest guest]

check out avery website. avery design pro(free download) is a pretty descent

labelling program.

[Guest guest]

I wonder what kinds of labeling people use. I really despise

scratching off old labels, or using toxic products like goo-gone to

get them off, so I've finally come up with a solution. There are tags

made for gardeners that are thin copper sheet tags with a hole in one

end. Pre-cut copper wire comes with them. It is easy to write on the

copper, which also embosses it.

<http://www.leevalley.com/garden/page.aspx?

c=2 & p=10459 & cat=2,43319,33281 & ap=1>

On small bottles, I put the tag around it's neck. On the larger

brews, I attach the tag with the copper wire to the elastic around

the cloth on the jar, or put a safety pin in the cloth and attach the

label to that. I have a hook in the kitchen that I can hang labels on

once the drink is used up, and from there they can be recycled to

identify the next batch. These work to keep my kombucha separate from

my water kefir, and the different milk kefirs separate, and the

different batches of cultured vegetables identified.

Looking in the refrigerator is fun for people, my husband included,

who otherwise would have no idea what was going on in there, with all

of those bottles and jars.

Everything has a copper " necklace " and people around me feel less

like I'm making " magic potions' and more like trying new things. Name

it, and it becomes more familiar (plus, you actually know what's in

there yourself).

Silani

On Aug 14, 2007, at 7:24 AM, bakequery wrote:

> I wanted to emphasize the importance of labeling all those jars you

> may

> end up having hither and yon.

[Guest guest]

I wonder what kinds of labeling people use. I really despise

scratching off old labels, or using toxic products like goo-gone to

get them off, so I've finally come up with a solution. There are tags

made for gardeners that are thin copper sheet tags with a hole in one

end. Pre-cut copper wire comes with them. It is easy to write on the

copper, which also embosses it.

<http://www.leevalley.com/garden/page.aspx?

c=2 & p=10459 & cat=2,43319,33281 & ap=1>

On small bottles, I put the tag around it's neck. On the larger

brews, I attach the tag with the copper wire to the elastic around

the cloth on the jar, or put a safety pin in the cloth and attach the

label to that. I have a hook in the kitchen that I can hang labels on

once the drink is used up, and from there they can be recycled to

identify the next batch. These work to keep my kombucha separate from

my water kefir, and the different milk kefirs separate, and the

different batches of cultured vegetables identified.

Looking in the refrigerator is fun for people, my husband included,

who otherwise would have no idea what was going on in there, with all

of those bottles and jars.

Everything has a copper " necklace " and people around me feel less

like I'm making " magic potions' and more like trying new things. Name

it, and it becomes more familiar (plus, you actually know what's in

there yourself).

Silani

On Aug 14, 2007, at 7:24 AM, bakequery wrote:

> I wanted to emphasize the importance of labeling all those jars you

> may

> end up having hither and yon.