Re: re:pred/thirst

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They prescibe by weight.

J

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>Hi Geri,

>I hope no one object to the discussion of pets. My

>doggie is a beagle, she's supposed to weigh about 20

>pounds, but she's a big fatso weighing in at 26 pounds

>(the excess weight is the main cause of her back

>problems). She's over twelve years old and shouldn't

>be hopping and jumping all over the place, especially

>with that excess weight. She's so happy that I hate to

>tell her she's an old lady and needs to behave

>appropriately.

>The veterinarian also said to feed her before giving

>her the pred. (stomach ulcers)

>Her dose is....

>5mg 2xDaily for 4 days.

>5mg 1xDaily for 4 days.

>5mg every other day for 3 days.

>I don't know if they prescribe by weight or condition.

>Unfortunately, I don't know any cats who've had this

>treatment, so I'm not sure of the appropriate dose for

>cats. The pred should take care of the rash.

>I hope your son's cat improves.

>Barbara Ann

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Do any of you watch the show on tv called " Providence " ? Last weeks episode

included a dog that sensed his owners oncoming illness. I bet its the dogs

keen sense of smell that detects what is going on with us.

J

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>Barbara Ann,

>I think that most of us see our pets as a source of comfort and peace of

>mind. Tranquilizers, if you want to look at it that way. So, how could

>anyone object to acknowledging how important they are to our well being?

>

>One of our cats weighs 20 lbs. and he's not even overweight. He's just

>plain big and doesn't know he's a domestic cat. I think someone crossed

>him with a panther. He looks like a Birman with short hair but a Birman

>breeder said that he's probably a " Snowshoe " , whatever that is. He rescued

>himself from a vet's office where his previous owner had abandoned him

>because he was too rambunctious. As Bob walked by to pick up our dog he

>reached through his cage and grabbed Bob's arm. It was love at first

>sight.

>

>Our cats are my wellness barometer. When I wake up I can tell if I'm going

>to feel good or not by how close they're snuggled. On bad days they get as

>close to me as they can and when I don't wake up easily, they bump noses

>with me to let me know it's time to wake up and get out of bed. Seriously,

>students of animal behavior suspect that they may actually sense illness

>and exhibit signs that they try to comfort. No pet owner could doubt

>that's what they do.

>

>Take care,

>Geri

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Barbara Ann,

I think that most of us see our pets as a source of comfort and peace of

mind. Tranquilizers, if you want to look at it that way. So, how could

anyone object to acknowledging how important they are to our well being?

One of our cats weighs 20 lbs. and he's not even overweight. He's just

plain big and doesn't know he's a domestic cat. I think someone crossed

him with a panther. He looks like a Birman with short hair but a Birman

breeder said that he's probably a " Snowshoe " , whatever that is. He rescued

himself from a vet's office where his previous owner had abandoned him

because he was too rambunctious. As Bob walked by to pick up our dog he

reached through his cage and grabbed Bob's arm. It was love at first sight.

Our cats are my wellness barometer. When I wake up I can tell if I'm going

to feel good or not by how close they're snuggled. On bad days they get as

close to me as they can and when I don't wake up easily, they bump noses

with me to let me know it's time to wake up and get out of bed. Seriously,

students of animal behavior suspect that they may actually sense illness

and exhibit signs that they try to comfort. No pet owner could doubt

that's what they do.

Take care,

Geri

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In a message dated 11/7/1999 4:14:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,

spangs@... writes:

<< Our cats are my wellness barometer. When I wake up I can tell if I'm going

to feel good or not by how close they're snuggled. On bad days they get as

close to me as they can and when I don't wake up easily, they bump noses

with me to let me know it's time to wake up and get out of bed. Seriously,

students of animal behavior suspect that they may actually sense illness

and exhibit signs that they try to comfort. No pet owner could doubt

that's what they do. >>

Geri,

Wow, my dog does that and I had no idea why! They are amazing. The skin

allergy is called Atopy and pred is the only treatment unless you want to

spend hundreds of dollars for a pet allergist that may or may not be able to

help. My late dog had it, but the pred made her too lethargic, and caused

her to pee in the house, so we stopped. They do have special shampoos but

who wants to shampoo a cat! Also, my vet says to use 1 baby aspirin if

needed for pain.

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My vet says there is no pain medicine out there for cats, not even baby

aspirin. Their livers cannot metabolize it, hence toxic to their livers.

J

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><< Our cats are my wellness barometer. When I wake up I can tell if I'm

>going

> to feel good or not by how close they're snuggled. On bad days they get

>as

> close to me as they can and when I don't wake up easily, they bump noses

> with me to let me know it's time to wake up and get out of bed.

>Seriously,

> students of animal behavior suspect that they may actually sense illness

> and exhibit signs that they try to comfort. No pet owner could doubt

> that's what they do. >>

>Geri,

>Wow, my dog does that and I had no idea why! They are amazing. The skin

>allergy is called Atopy and pred is the only treatment unless you want to

>spend hundreds of dollars for a pet allergist that may or may not be able

>to

>help. My late dog had it, but the pred made her too lethargic, and caused

>her to pee in the house, so we stopped. They do have special shampoos but

>who wants to shampoo a cat! Also, my vet says to use 1 baby aspirin if

>needed for pain.

>

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Gee, I guess I should be worried, my dog has been putting his head on my

chest lately, not his usual behavior.

J

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>Geri,

>You are absolutely right, pets are our barometer as to

>how we feel at any given time. I had similar

>experiences with my beagle when I was really sick with

>AIH. For a couple of weeks, before I went to Baylor,

>she would sleep on the bed pressed against my side.

>For days, before I was hospitalized, she would sleep

>almost on top of me with her ear pressed against my

>heart. A couple of times, I caught her leaning over

>me with her ear about an inch from my nose. It was as

>though she was checking to see if I was breathing.

>Right before I was hospitalized she would follow me

>around the house 24 hrs. a day. I think they have a

>sixth sense which is very apparent to people who've

>bonded with their pet.

>Before I went to Baylor, I used to call my beagle " my

>real doctor " . When my mom would call and ask me how I

>was, I would tell her things like, I don't think I'm

>too well today, my real doctor stays with me all day

>and night. How sad is that, my dog knew more than the

>whack job doctor I was seeing at the time. My dog

>deserves the medical degree, she knew something was

>very wrong while the doctor was telling me I was fine.

>What can I say?

>Regards,

>Barbara Ann

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Barbara Ann,

My dog has been behaving just like that lately and I've wondered why! It had

even started to bug me a little because I was soooo crowded, but now I

understand... Thanks

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Can somebody tell me how to get off this list for awhile?

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,

I haven't watched " Providence " but I do think that animals are sensitive to

illness AND depression. Not just dogs, but cats too. When my brother was

killed (suddenly and violently) we got the news by telephone on New Years

Eve. I was in a good mood, then the call came. I was totally shocked and

devastated. I'd just talked to him the day before and he was so young and

healthy and happy. I pretty much " fell apart " and lay on my bed curled up

in a ball. One of our cats who was closest to me crept up under my arm and

just laid beside me, very close, her head under my chin, until I calmed

down. It was as though she wanted to absorb some of my shock and grief.

One of our grandsons is working on his doctorate in animal behavior (also

ecological biology). Nick says that researchers are just beginning to

acknowledge that there is more depth to animal emotion than previously

suspected and that studies on the subject are in their infancy. Those of

us who have always loved all living things and who have been close to

animals (and birds, too!) have known that these aren't just simple,

mindless, unfeeling creatures. Now it's time for science to give mankind a

better understanding of what other creatures are all about. Meantime, I'm

grateful that I've always been touched by my relationship with the animals

in my life. Science can only confirm what I've suspected all along.

Take care,

Geri

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I am talking about things like nsaids, aspirin, and tylenol which are

specific for pain. I dont include prednisone with them. My cat died a very

painful death - FIP= feline infectious peritonitis. Vet said dogs can take

pain meds, but not cats and if there were a pain med for cats, it would be

so expensive, like over $20 PER PILL that people would not pay it.

J

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>><<My vet says there is no pain medicine out there for cats, not even baby

>>aspirin. Their livers cannot metabolize it, hence toxic to their livers.

>> >>

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>Sounds like vets have the same problems doctors have in agreeing about what

>works and what doesn't. Over the years, we've had Prednisone also

>prescribed for an elderly dog to relieve the pain of arthritis and it did

>seem to make her feel more comfortable. I know it was a godsend for our

>poor cat when his skin allergy was at it's worst.

>Take care,

>Geri

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,

On tonight's news they did a feature on the effects our pets have on our

health. Sometimes I wonder if news people " lurk " and steal our topics for

their own (without giving us credit for where they heard this stuff.)

Apparently there have been studies that show that an animal can actually

reduce heart attack risk and help lower blood pressure, just by being there.

Less vague and more obvious, I've seen animals react to people and to other

animals who are sick or injured. We had a dog who would try to remove a

callous on one of my toes if I let her catch me barefoot! How did she know

that the callous didn't belong there anyhow? The same dog would " bathe "

one of our cats who later died from cancer in the same area where Muffett

used to wash her. My mother liked animals but wasn't very touchy-feely

with them. Her SharPei wouldn't leave her side during the last weeks of

her life (though Mom kept telling Brittany to go somewhere else - Mom was a

little grouchy by then).

When I was most seriously ill and seldom strong enough to get out of bed, I

was surrounded by cats day and night. We had three then, and they each had

their spot to cuddle up next to me, where they chose to spend most of their

time. These are cats who adore the sun yet they gave it up to be my

guardians when they apparently thought I needed them.

Almost everyone who has shared their life with a beloved animal has had a

similar experience during times of great stress or illness. When my kids

were growing up and putting me through my paces, Muffett (the toe dog

above) would bark at the kids when they misbehaved. They can demonstrate

amazing sensitivity to those who are receptive to them.

Your dog sounds like he or she is trying to comfort you.

Veterinary care has become terribly expensive. For the first time in his

life, our Schuyler is apparently feeling a little ill today. I hate that

we always seem to outlive them. If he's not better tomorrow, off to the

vet he goes, but just as we have problems finding caring doctors, it's not

that easy to find a compassionate and skilled vet.

Take care,

Geri

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,

On tonight's news they did a feature on the effects our pets have on our

health. Sometimes I wonder if news people " lurk " and steal our topics for

their own (without giving us credit for where they heard this stuff.)

Apparently there have been studies that show that an animal can actually

reduce heart attack risk and help lower blood pressure, just by being there.

Less vague and more obvious, I've seen animals react to people and to other

animals who are sick or injured. We had a dog who would try to remove a

callous on one of my toes if I let her catch me barefoot! How did she know

that the callous didn't belong there anyhow? The same dog would " bathe "

one of our cats who later died from cancer in the same area where Muffett

used to wash her. My mother liked animals but wasn't very touchy-feely

with them. Her SharPei wouldn't leave her side during the last weeks of

her life (though Mom kept telling Brittany to go somewhere else - Mom was a

little grouchy by then).

When I was most seriously ill and seldom strong enough to get out of bed, I

was surrounded by cats day and night. We had three then, and they each had

their spot to cuddle up next to me, where they chose to spend most of their

time. These are cats who adore the sun yet they gave it up to be my

guardians when they apparently thought I needed them.

Almost everyone who has shared their life with a beloved animal has had a

similar experience during times of great stress or illness. When my kids

were growing up and putting me through my paces, Muffett (the toe dog

above) would bark at the kids when they misbehaved. They can demonstrate

amazing sensitivity to those who are receptive to them.

Your dog sounds like he or she is trying to comfort you.

Veterinary care has become terribly expensive. For the first time in his

life, our Schuyler is apparently feeling a little ill today. I hate that

we always seem to outlive them. If he's not better tomorrow, off to the

vet he goes, but just as we have problems finding caring doctors, it's not

that easy to find a compassionate and skilled vet.

Take care,

Geri

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Barbara Ann,

You have a very maternal beagle! She sounds like a sweetheart. Lately

I've been sleeping very heavily and it's hard for my head to clear when I

first wake up. Since this drugged type sleep has started, I've noticed

that Schuyler will either touch my nose with his until I respond, or if I

wake up and he's not in the room, he runs in and jumps on the bed at the

first sound of movement. It's almost as though he's worried about why I'm

lying so still.

I definitely believe that they are hyper-sensitive to illness in their

human " partners " . Also they are very sensitive to mood. Dogs are almost

more obviously responsive to people, but it's surprised me to observe how

cats show similar sensitivities.

We have a lot to learn about all forms of life, don't we?

Take care,

Geri

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><< Gee, I guess I should be worried, my dog has been putting his head on

>my chest lately, not his usual behavior. >> If nothing else, it sounds

>like your dog just plain loves you a lot.

Geri

[Guest guest]

><<My vet says there is no pain medicine out there for cats, not even baby

>aspirin. Their livers cannot metabolize it, hence toxic to their livers. >>

Sounds like vets have the same problems doctors have in agreeing about what

works and what doesn't. Over the years, we've had Prednisone also

prescribed for an elderly dog to relieve the pain of arthritis and it did

seem to make her feel more comfortable. I know it was a godsend for our

poor cat when his skin allergy was at it's worst.

Take care,

Geri

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Geri,

My first dog was a scottie/cocker mix. She went through sooo much with me,

I thought I'd die when she died of cancer last year. This is her resting

place where she waits for me.

<A HREF= " http://rainbowsbridge.com/residents/Duffi001/resident.HTM " >Click

here: Duffie's Rainbow Residency at RainbowsBridge.com</A>

I didn't want another dog, but in Feb. my dad heard of a blond cocker who was

to be put to sleep if they couldn't find a home for her, so I went. I swear

that Blossum is Duffie re-incarnated somehow. God knew I couldn't live

without her...

[Guest guest]

Hi Geri,

You have had a challenging life, you are a strong person. I enjoying reading

your letters. You have so much to share.

Gayle

[Guest guest]

Hi Geri,

My cat thinks he is human. My friends all call him the cat with an attitude

because you know what he is thinking. He comes across as a smart a##, yet he

is the most gentle and caring cat I have ever seen. I use to hate cats until

Midnight came along. I had always loved dogs because I thought they were more

loyal. Midnight comes when he is called, and he even fights with me when he

gets in his moods. And Midnight knows what will piss me off. Yet this cat

stayed by my side and watched over me when I was the most sickest. I would

wake up to him right in my face, and he would lay on me. When I went in the

hospital for my transplant of 6 weeks, I worried about him being alone.

Midnight is a people person, he forces my friends to hug him and he will not

quit until they do. Anyway I tried to get my family to come to my house to

baby and love him every day, of which they didn't. My family all hates cats

as well. By the time I came home Midnight was so skinny A week longer I think

he might have died. My family realized that Midnight was just as important as

their dogs are to them. Midnight is like a child to me. Animals are so needed

when you get this sick. Thanks for listening.

Gayle

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Hi Gayle,

Midnight sounds like a cat I'd love. But, he also sounds like he's already

found the love of his life (you) and doesn't need anyone else. You

hear and read so much about " Guardian Angels " . How do we know that our

pets aren't our Guardian Angels? The way they watch over us, it makes you

wonder.

It's true, they know when you're sick and they usually seem to worry more

than most of the people in our lives do. We are their sun and moon and

stars and they often pine away without us, like Midnight almost did while

you were in the hospital.

I laughed one time when I read that people who don't like cats are insecure

about themselves. But I often wonder if there's a little truth to

that. They can seem so indifferent and independent, but like dogs, they

are intensely loyal and where else can we get such unconditional love?

Take care,

Geri

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,

What a lovely place for Duffie to sleep. People who have never shared

their lives with pets don't understand how deep the relationship can

be. My husband thinks that our cats and dogs have kept us alive! Even

when things have seemed the most hopeless, they are there to love us and

their loyalty is total. Alfie, our little cocker mix (he looked like a

stubby legged Golden Retriever) was a Humane Society survivor. He also was

scheduled to be put to sleep. He shared our lives for 18 years, and he

also died from cancer. But he had a good life and he was always loved by

everyone. Even the cats loved him!

Take care,

Geri

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What a terrible way to die. Your vet thought that Prednisone doesn't work

for the pain that cats feel? I know that pred isn't a powerful painkiller,

but it must give a little relief for conditions less painful than what your

cat had. I'd pay $20.00 a pill to relieve pain in one of our cats in a

heartbeat, even if I had to start selling things to do it!

Take care,

Geri

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As good as my little dog is, one cant bother him when he is with food. My

mother scolded him for getting in the trash and he jumped at her and bit her

hand. We took her to ER where they treated her. The receptionist said she

had to report it (to whom?). Then I heard the other day that if he bites

anyone else he will have to be put down. Anyone else heard of that?

Couldnt stand it if he were " put to sleep " .

J

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>What a lovely place for Duffie to sleep. People who have never shared

>their lives with pets don't understand how deep the relationship can

>be. My husband thinks that our cats and dogs have kept us alive! Even

>when things have seemed the most hopeless, they are there to love us and

>their loyalty is total. Alfie, our little cocker mix (he looked like a

>stubby legged Golden Retriever) was a Humane Society survivor. He also was

>scheduled to be put to sleep. He shared our lives for 18 years, and he

>also died from cancer. But he had a good life and he was always loved by

>everyone. Even the cats loved him!

>Take care,

>Geri

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[Guest guest]

I've heard of dogs who have a history of biting being put down, but not

when no one makes a complaint, and especially a small dog who probably

couldn't do much harm anyhow. But, your little guy does sound

hazardous. Maybe he needs some retraining? He possibly could hurt you or

your mother if he's snappish like that, and it could be dangerous for you

to get an infected bite. You might fill a spray bottle with water and give

him a quick squirt when he does that and he'll get the idea, hopefully,

that he can't do that. A neighbor's cat has been staking out the birds

that come to our bird feeder (our cats just stare at the birds). We turned

the hose on light spray and let him get wet a few times and he's stopped

coming over to kill birds. Didn't hurt him, but he didn't like it. Sounds

like you have an " alpha " dog who is trying to dominate. There are

retraining techniques that might work to make him stop snapping. It could

be a matter of life (his) and death!

Take care,

Geri