Guest guest Posted November 8, 1999 Report Share Posted November 8, 1999 So they suddenly and arbitrarily remove meds from them? Without even notifying the insured? (Thanks for that info, I am woefully ignorant on such things and insurance company hoo-haw always leaves me bumfuzzled! [ ] formulary The formulary is the list of medicines that your health plan or insurance company uses or pays for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 1999 Report Share Posted November 8, 1999 Kay, Your insurance company wouldn't be Prudential or Aetna, would it? HMOs use a drug formulary, in other words, a list of drugs that they will cover at the lowest co-payment. Almost always they are generic drugs and not necessarily the best available (but often are). There is an additional list of " approved " brand name drugs, available at a higher co-pay. Again, they don't cover all of the drugs that might be best available. Anything that's not on either the generic or brand name list isn't covered without going through a long process that isn't always successful. Also, some drugs that have only been FDA approved for a specific condition for a few months might not be approved at all. Here's an example of how it works: Your doctor prescribes Prilosec. It's not on the generic or brand name list. Your doctor has to contact the Formulary Unit center and justify the reasons he wants you to take that drug. Sometimes they use a " step " procedure. In other words, it has to be shown that you've been tried on one or two or more other similar drugs and they didn't do the job. For example, for Prilosec, they might say you need to try Cimetidine first and if that doesn't work, try Pepcid next. If that also doesn't work for you, the doctor has to tell the insurance company that you need something else and ask for Prilosec. In our case, this is what happened and the insurance company said " No Prilosec. Use Pravacid instead. " They then approved Pravacid. Here's the deal and insurance company hate for us to suspect this: They get big discounts from some pharmaceutical companies and less from others. They also have contracts with some pharmaceutical companies. Prilosec is made by one company but the makers of Pravacid has a contract with the ins. co., so the insurance company gets deep discounts and that's the drug they will insist you use. If you have a doctor who isn't worn out and burned out by this time, he or she might go to bat for you and insist that only Prilosec will work. In my case, I had a problem with Pravacid - it can aggravate acid reflux in some people and it did something to me that caused nausea. But, your insurance company is changing the rules of the game in the middle of the match. Ours tried to do that too. And, this is what I did: I photocopied my receipts for drugs I'd been taking for a year or more, that were approved by the insurance company for that entire year. I then sent a letter to the corporate offices of the insurance company asking them to justify what they were doing (denying drugs they'd been approving for godzillion months). I sent a copy with a cover letter to the Head of Human Resources at my husband's employer and I also sent a copy with a cover letter to the Insurance Commissioner for the State of Texas, where Prudential is based. Within 3 working days the s * * t hit the fan and we got calls from my husband's employer, the insurance company and the Insurance Commissioner's office. My husband's company is going into the problem big time because we aren't the only ones who have had complaints. The Insurance Commissioner will investigate the complaint and whatever their findings, the complaint is now a matter of record (insurance companies don't like that). AND, the insurance company gave us a wishy washy excuse that " since you've been taking those drugs for so long we've decided to approve them. The interesting thing about all of this is that we are NOT on and HMO and shouldn't have been subject to a Formulary Unit approval in the first place. Our plan covers all drugs, generic or brand name, without restrictions. However, Aetna (the biggest and one of the worst rated health insurance companies in the US, I've been told) has just acquired Prudential and I suspect that they're thinking they might be able to administer their PPOs like they're HMOs. You need to contact the Formulary unit at your insurance company, find out their direct number for your doctor's office to call, and your doctor (probably his nurse or administrative staff) then must make an official request for approval of the specific drug you've been taking and need. The request will require justification. It's a big pain in the fanny and can take weeks if everyone doesn't stay on top of it. If that doesn't do it, tell them you want to appeal their decision. In my opinion, if each of us were to file complaints with our insurance commissioners when we're jerked around this way, things will change. If you have medical problems because of being deprived of the meds you need, document them if only in your own records. If our insurance company continues to play games with us, we'll tag onto a class action or find a lawyer to handle the situation. Just write letters, letters, letters. Document everything and even send them certified, return receipt requested, so they can't claim they didn't get the letter. Insurance companies aren't doing us favors. We are buying a service and we are entitled to get what we paid for. Today there was a news report that the largest HMO in the US will no longer supercede their physician's medical decisions, including prescribed drugs. The writing is on the wall. HMOs know it's just a matter of time before patients can sue for damages and by putting the onus back on the doctors, they can dodge the thousands of suits that surely will follow. Expect to see all or most insurance companies to follow suit (as above) in the near future. I hope it's soon enough for all of us. It's our lives they are playing with. Take care, Geri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 1999 Report Share Posted November 8, 1999 Kay, Your insurance company wouldn't be Prudential or Aetna, would it? HMOs use a drug formulary, in other words, a list of drugs that they will cover at the lowest co-payment. Almost always they are generic drugs and not necessarily the best available (but often are). There is an additional list of " approved " brand name drugs, available at a higher co-pay. Again, they don't cover all of the drugs that might be best available. Anything that's not on either the generic or brand name list isn't covered without going through a long process that isn't always successful. Also, some drugs that have only been FDA approved for a specific condition for a few months might not be approved at all. Here's an example of how it works: Your doctor prescribes Prilosec. It's not on the generic or brand name list. Your doctor has to contact the Formulary Unit center and justify the reasons he wants you to take that drug. Sometimes they use a " step " procedure. In other words, it has to be shown that you've been tried on one or two or more other similar drugs and they didn't do the job. For example, for Prilosec, they might say you need to try Cimetidine first and if that doesn't work, try Pepcid next. If that also doesn't work for you, the doctor has to tell the insurance company that you need something else and ask for Prilosec. In our case, this is what happened and the insurance company said " No Prilosec. Use Pravacid instead. " They then approved Pravacid. Here's the deal and insurance company hate for us to suspect this: They get big discounts from some pharmaceutical companies and less from others. They also have contracts with some pharmaceutical companies. Prilosec is made by one company but the makers of Pravacid has a contract with the ins. co., so the insurance company gets deep discounts and that's the drug they will insist you use. If you have a doctor who isn't worn out and burned out by this time, he or she might go to bat for you and insist that only Prilosec will work. In my case, I had a problem with Pravacid - it can aggravate acid reflux in some people and it did something to me that caused nausea. But, your insurance company is changing the rules of the game in the middle of the match. Ours tried to do that too. And, this is what I did: I photocopied my receipts for drugs I'd been taking for a year or more, that were approved by the insurance company for that entire year. I then sent a letter to the corporate offices of the insurance company asking them to justify what they were doing (denying drugs they'd been approving for godzillion months). I sent a copy with a cover letter to the Head of Human Resources at my husband's employer and I also sent a copy with a cover letter to the Insurance Commissioner for the State of Texas, where Prudential is based. Within 3 working days the s * * t hit the fan and we got calls from my husband's employer, the insurance company and the Insurance Commissioner's office. My husband's company is going into the problem big time because we aren't the only ones who have had complaints. The Insurance Commissioner will investigate the complaint and whatever their findings, the complaint is now a matter of record (insurance companies don't like that). AND, the insurance company gave us a wishy washy excuse that " since you've been taking those drugs for so long we've decided to approve them. The interesting thing about all of this is that we are NOT on and HMO and shouldn't have been subject to a Formulary Unit approval in the first place. Our plan covers all drugs, generic or brand name, without restrictions. However, Aetna (the biggest and one of the worst rated health insurance companies in the US, I've been told) has just acquired Prudential and I suspect that they're thinking they might be able to administer their PPOs like they're HMOs. You need to contact the Formulary unit at your insurance company, find out their direct number for your doctor's office to call, and your doctor (probably his nurse or administrative staff) then must make an official request for approval of the specific drug you've been taking and need. The request will require justification. It's a big pain in the fanny and can take weeks if everyone doesn't stay on top of it. If that doesn't do it, tell them you want to appeal their decision. In my opinion, if each of us were to file complaints with our insurance commissioners when we're jerked around this way, things will change. If you have medical problems because of being deprived of the meds you need, document them if only in your own records. If our insurance company continues to play games with us, we'll tag onto a class action or find a lawyer to handle the situation. Just write letters, letters, letters. Document everything and even send them certified, return receipt requested, so they can't claim they didn't get the letter. Insurance companies aren't doing us favors. We are buying a service and we are entitled to get what we paid for. Today there was a news report that the largest HMO in the US will no longer supercede their physician's medical decisions, including prescribed drugs. The writing is on the wall. HMOs know it's just a matter of time before patients can sue for damages and by putting the onus back on the doctors, they can dodge the thousands of suits that surely will follow. Expect to see all or most insurance companies to follow suit (as above) in the near future. I hope it's soon enough for all of us. It's our lives they are playing with. Take care, Geri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 1999 Report Share Posted November 9, 1999 Kay, ><< I am woefully ignorant on such things and insurance company hoo-haw >always leaves me bumfuzzled! >> That's exactly how the insurance companies would like to keep us! I save several hundreds of dollars every year, just by reviewing how insurance companies pay claims and looking for errors. I often wonder if the claims processors are instructed to make " mistakes " , but that would be too sinister to be true, wouldn't it? Take care, Geri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 1999 Report Share Posted November 9, 1999 Kay, I have several meds covered that are not on the formulary. It has required my doc to submit additional paperwork as to why I have to take that specific med, but they have all been approved. Check with your ins. co. to find out what you have to do to appeal their decision. It sounds like it is necessary for you to have those meds. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 1999 Report Share Posted November 9, 1999 My insurance company is Cigna. Thank you so much for your explanations and advice. I printed out your post and am going to try to follow it. I saw the same news report today that you did; just wish that HMO were mine! Thanks again, KayK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 1999 Report Share Posted November 10, 1999 Kay, I do hope you get your meds. Keep at the insurance company. Great doctor, huh? See a psychiatrist? Some of these physicians need to stop dealing with people and go into research where they don't have to get involved with people's emotions, since they clearly don't have a clue. Take care, Geri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2002 Report Share Posted September 30, 2002 Dear Char, Nice job! However I would add that this process of calling another pharmacy and picking up the med is known as " borrowing " and the itiems are to be loggeed in a borrow book. when the borrowed item is ordered and received then teh tech returns the med and reconciles the log book. Hope that this helps the reader and pharmacytechgirl. Love ya J -- In @y..., char6ave@a... wrote: > I call another pharmacy to see if they have it and go pick it up for the patient or if it's something they can wait on we usually can get it by the next morning. Char Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Thanks Jeanetta: You always cover my back!! love ya--char Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Dear Char, Absolutely nothing wrong with what your wrote.It is what is done in practice. I specifically did not attempt to answer this until the retail or other working techs had a chance to try it. The one thing about this site is we will have questions that are PTCB geared and questions that are discussion/informational/educational, but not PTCB type, the author may not be studiying for the exam. The problem is we need to answer as much as we can to help the readers use the language " like " what is used in the PTCB exam. More than likely the word " borrow or lend " book or logbook would be used in the answer. We can not say what is or what is not on the exam, but we can say if it were on the exam that the technical words are: A, B and C. Knowledge of how borowing works is also required. The exam could ask about this process to assist the pharmacist. So the term is required knowledge, as well as, the definition. You had/have the most appropriate definition. The term was what I offered. Your work here on this site is truly a gift. And I thank you for your help. It is greatly appreciated by the students of this site. Thanks for watching my back too! Love ya Jeanetta > I call another pharmacy to see if they have it and go pick it up for the patient or if it's something they can wait on we usually can get it by the next morning. Char Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Jeanetta: Thank-you for your kind words!! ps--did you get your t-shirt in the mail?? Charleen A. CphT Technician Representative Spokane Pharmacy Association & Pharmacy Technician/Trainer Sixth Avenue Pharmacy W. 508 6th Avenue Spokane, WA 99204 (509) 455-9345 wk. (509) 953-9308 cell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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