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Hi Janet ,I also have had them( this happen and it went away ,not sure why ,my

eye lid also drooped for a few days ,eg: like half closed ,ok now

Hope this helps

Deborah

Sacs under the yes.

Hi, The next thing I want to know about from the group is regarding

these sacs under my eyes. They seem to have appeared around the time

of my thyroid diagnosis and early treatment. May not be thyroid but

just wondering if anyone else has these bags under the eyes. Thanks.

Janet

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I also had the exact same thing that Deborah had. My eye lid drooped, like the

muscle just wasn't working. It also has seemed to have gone away. But my eyes

still get sore in the evening. I'm sure it has to do the with thyroid.

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Hi Janet ,I also have had them( this happen and it went away ,not sure why

,my eye lid also drooped for a few days ,eg: like half closed ,ok now

Hope this helps

Deborah

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Janet,

You wrote:

> Hi, The next thing I want to know about from the group is regarding

> these sacs under my eyes. ...

Are you at risk for sleep apnea? That would explain your fatigue and

malaise as well.

Chuck

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> Hi Janet ,I also have had them( this happen and it went

away ,not sure why ,my eye lid also drooped for a few days ,eg: like

half closed ,ok now

> Hope this helps

> Deborah

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> , i dont have any sacs under my eyes, but i noticed you

mentioned your eyes get sore in the evening. my eyes get extremely

dry in the evening, is that what you mean by sore?

>

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Edema in the extremities is a common Hypo symptom as a result of

lowered blood pressure...and our head is technically an extremity.

I had puffy eyebrows and swollen hands and feet at the time of diagnosis,

that was much relieved after I was on medication for a few months.

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Sorry I took so long to get back to you. I hadn't checked my email in a week!

I guess the best way to describe the ache I get in my eyes is that in the

evenings, my eyes feel like I've been awake for days. They do feel dry and in

addition they " burn " and are tired like I've overused them. The more I try to

do during the day, the more I feel it at night. -

> Hi Janet ,I also have had them( this happen and it went

away ,not sure why ,my eye lid also drooped for a few days ,eg: like

half closed ,ok now

> Hope this helps

> Deborah

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> , i dont have any sacs under my eyes, but i noticed you

mentioned your eyes get sore in the evening. my eyes get extremely

dry in the evening, is that what you mean by sore?

>

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Hi there-I can relate to your eye problem--mine too, for years. Are you also

affected by the computer screen, many hours of use? How does reading affect your

eyes? Ever since I can remember, I've never been able to read for longer than 10

minutes. My eyes start to burn and sting severly, and water profusely. My

eyelids become so heavy, that I get a headache just trying to keep them open.

These symptoms do not seem connected to lack of sleep. I get them no matter

what.

I would love to read for hours, like some people can. I have tried and struggle

with it to this day.

Glad to hear anyone else's ideas.

SJO :0)

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From: Alaniz <anadonalaniz@...>

Sorry I took so long to get back to you. I hadn't checked my email in a week! I

guess the best way to describe the ache I get in my eyes is that in the

evenings, my eyes feel like I've been awake for days. They do feel dry and in

addition they " burn " and are tired like I've overused them. The more I try to do

during the day, the more I feel it at night. -

> Hi Janet ,I also have had them( this happen and it went

away ,not sure why ,my eye lid also drooped for a few days ,eg: like

half closed ,ok now

> Hope this helps

> Deborah

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> , i dont have any sacs under my eyes, but i noticed you

mentioned your eyes get sore in the evening. my eyes get extremely

dry in the evening, is that what you mean by sore?

>

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Hi there-I can relate to your eye problem--mine too, for years. Are you also

affected by the computer screen, many hours of use? How does reading affect your

eyes? Ever since I can remember, I've never been able to read for longer than 10

minutes. My eyes start to burn and sting severly, and water profusely. My

eyelids become so heavy, that I get a headache just trying to keep them open.

These symptoms do not seem connected to lack of sleep. I get them no matter

what.

I would love to read for hours, like some people can. I have tried and struggle

with it to this day.

Glad to hear anyone else's ideas.

SJO :0)

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From: Alaniz <anadonalaniz@...>

Sorry I took so long to get back to you. I hadn't checked my email in a week! I

guess the best way to describe the ache I get in my eyes is that in the

evenings, my eyes feel like I've been awake for days. They do feel dry and in

addition they " burn " and are tired like I've overused them. The more I try to do

during the day, the more I feel it at night. -

> Hi Janet ,I also have had them( this happen and it went

away ,not sure why ,my eye lid also drooped for a few days ,eg: like

half closed ,ok now

> Hope this helps

> Deborah

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> , i dont have any sacs under my eyes, but i noticed you

mentioned your eyes get sore in the evening. my eyes get extremely

dry in the evening, is that what you mean by sore?

>

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, I used to be one of those persons who could read for hours and hours.

Since becoming hypo though, I'm good for 15 minutes. Then I have to rest my

eyes!

I found some interesting articles on the web I thought I'd share with you.

I've been trying to decide if my eye problem is another symptom of

hypothyroidism or if I have an additional autoimmune disorder, ocular myasthenia

gravis (the mild form). There is a link between ocular myasthenia gravis and

thyroid disorders.

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/myasthenia_gravis/detail_myasthenia_gravis.ht\

m#54553153

Myasthenia gravis is a chronic autoimmune neuromuscular disease characterized

by varying degrees of weakness of the skeletal (voluntary) muscles of the body.

The name myasthenia gravis, which is Latin and Greek in origin, literally means

" grave muscle weakness. " .

Although myasthenia gravis may affect any voluntary muscle, muscles that

control eye and eyelid movement, facial expression, and swallowing are most

frequently affected. The onset of the disorder may be sudden. Symptoms often are

not immediately recognized as myasthenia gravis.

In most cases, the first noticeable symptom is weakness of the eye muscles. In

others, difficulty in swallowing and slurred speech may be the first signs. The

degree of muscle weakness involved in myasthenia gravis varies greatly among

patients, ranging from a localized form, limited to eye muscles (ocular

myasthenia), to a severe or generalized form in which many muscles.....

Symptoms, which vary in type and severity, may include a drooping of one or both

eyelids (ptosis), blurred or double vision (diplopia) due to weakness of the

muscles that control eye movements, unstable or waddling gait, weakness in arms,

hands, fingers, legs, and neck, a change in facial expression, difficulty in

swallowing and shortness of breath, and impaired speech (dysarthria).

http://ucneurology.uchicago.edu/Neurological_Disorders/NeuroMuscular/Myasthenia_\

Gravis/myasthenia_gravis.html

Initially, people with myasthenia gravis may complain about specific muscle

weakness, particularly in the eyes, face and neck. They may have difficulty

swallowing, chewing or speaking, and may have double vision. They also may feel

fatigue, especially later in the day. Symptoms can be aggravated by emotional

stress, systemic illness such as a viral respiratory infection, menstrual cycle,

pregnancy, hypothyroidism or hyperthyroidism, and other factors.

http://www.myasthenia.org/information/FactsAboutMG.htm

The muscle weakness of MG increases with continued activity and improves after

periods of rest. The muscles involved may vary greatly from one patient to the

next. Weakness may be limited to the muscles controlling eye movements and the

eyelids. This form of myasthenia is referred to as ocular MG.

http://www.myasthenia.org/information/OcularMG.htm Ocular myasthenia gravis

is a form of myasthenia gravis (MG) in which the muscles that move the eyes and

control the eyelids are easily fatigued and weakened.

These symptoms may be mild to severe. Eye weakness often changes from day to

day and over the course of a day. Problems with the eyes are often worse at the

end of the day or after the eyes have been used for a prolonged period of time.

Many people with ocular MG find that their eye problems are temporarily improved

if the eyes are rested by closing them for several minutes when symptoms are

troubling....Perhaps the most important difference between eye and eyelid

muscles compared with other muscles of the body is that eye muscles respond

differently to immune attack. The differences in the response of eye muscles to

immune attack may explain why eye muscles are also targeted in other autoimmune

conditions, such as autoimmune thyroid disease.

http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic325.htm

Thyroid disorders may be seen in as many as 10% of patients with MG, and

symptoms of hyperthyroidism or hypothyroidism may be present

http://www.eyeplastics.co.uk/topics/ptosis/news_ptosis/Ocular%20Aspects%20of%20M\

yasthenia%20Gravis.htm

Autoimmune thyroid disease is commonly associated with myasthenia. Either

hyper- or hypothyroidism may precede or follow the development of

myasthenia.[49,50] Twenty-five percent of those with normal levels of thyroid

hormone will have antithyroid antibodies.[50] Conversely, 8% of patients with

Graves' disease have antibodies against the acetylcholine receptor.[108] Other

autoimmune processes are occasionally found, including polymyositis.[117] In

particular, patients with myasthenia and thymoma may be at increased risk for

other autoimmune processes,[118] including rheumatoid arthritis, thyroiditis,

polymyositis, pernicious anemia, and thrombocytopenia.

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I came upon something about this being related to mercury toxicity

(amalgam fillings) yesterday. There was a photo a a woman before and

after dental cleanup and chelation therapy. In the before photo one

eye looked completely closed due to ptosis and in the after photo,

normal again.

If you Google " mercury and ptosis " you will find lots of references

to read.

Friday 7:40 am

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>

> In most cases, the first noticeable symptom is weakness of the eye

> muscles. In others, difficulty in swallowing and slurred speech may

> be the first signs. The degree of muscle weakness involved in

> myasthenia gravis varies greatly among patients, ranging from a

> localized form, limited to eye muscles (ocular myasthenia), to a

> severe or generalized form in which many muscles..... Symptoms,

> which vary in type and severity, may include a drooping of one or

> both eyelids (ptosis), blurred or double vision (diplopia) due to

> weakness of the muscles that control eye movements, unstable or

> waddling gait, weakness in arms, hands, fingers, legs, and neck, a

> change in facial expression, difficulty in swallowing and shortness

> of breath, and impaired speech (dysarthria).

>

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