Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 Good Lord, just take the dosage you need. You don't have to wait for a blood test to tell you what you need!!!!!! You cannot be treated to the TSH on Armour. TSH on Armour will be very low, few docs will give you an increase in meds unless they are are of the limitations of treating to the test. This keeps us ill. Gracia > > > The results of my blood test will come in soon. For the past > several mos, after being diagnosed as hypothyroid,I've been taking > 60 mg of Thyroid(armor T). My temp (basal, morning) is still low, > sometimes 95.something, 96.something, so I suspect the dosage will > be increased. > So far , the replacement has done wonders for me, fisically gotten > rid of fat and excess weight(never been overweight/obese, but still, > now I do not have all that fat, went from 200/205 to > 180/175)...always working out as ever, since I was a kid I ran, etc, > so the combination of working out as ussual and thyroid has worked > very good fisically, and mentally too, now I am much more confident, > in other words, those anoying semi panic episodes are gone by 90%, > still every now and then I feel some of that, but I can control it > easy. > I will let you guys know my blood content as soon as the results > come in, and also would like to hear from anybody experiencing > similar changes. I hope that the dosage will be adjusted, I feel > that my body will achieve its true potential once the dosage is > adjusted according to the blood sample. > By. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 Yep, but also bear in mind you can only increase dosage of armour or T4 *very* slowly, like 1/2 a pill every 6-8 weeks. Adjusting any quicker than this is dangerous. As long as you do it slowly, read up on the condition, and make sure your pulse doesn't go up too high, it should be perfectly safe to adjust your own dosage. Ade > Re: blood test soon > > > > > Good Lord, just take the dosage you need. You don't have to wait for a > blood test to tell you what you need!!!!!! You cannot be treated > to the TSH > on Armour. TSH on Armour will be very low, few docs will give you an > increase in meds unless they are are of the limitations of treating to the > test. This keeps us ill. > Gracia > > > > > > > The results of my blood test will come in soon. For the past > > several mos, after being diagnosed as hypothyroid,I've been taking > > 60 mg of Thyroid(armor T). My temp (basal, morning) is still low, > > sometimes 95.something, 96.something, so I suspect the dosage will > > be increased. > > So far , the replacement has done wonders for me, fisically gotten > > rid of fat and excess weight(never been overweight/obese, but still, > > now I do not have all that fat, went from 200/205 to > > 180/175)...always working out as ever, since I was a kid I ran, etc, > > so the combination of working out as ussual and thyroid has worked > > very good fisically, and mentally too, now I am much more confident, > > in other words, those anoying semi panic episodes are gone by 90%, > > still every now and then I feel some of that, but I can control it > > easy. > > I will let you guys know my blood content as soon as the results > > come in, and also would like to hear from anybody experiencing > > similar changes. I hope that the dosage will be adjusted, I feel > > that my body will achieve its true potential once the dosage is > > adjusted according to the blood sample. > > By. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 --- Hy, thanks for your responses, I thought this group was death after the barrage of spam, glad to see it is not. You both seem to say that I should adjust the dosage, but how do I know when I am fine, or reached the right level? Or is there a limit where I will feel bad? I am confused , Armour Thyroid is not the right treatment for low Ts? The blood test would not tell a difference in T levels now than when I got the 1st blood test and discovered the low T? What is a good level of Armour T, and, if Armour T is not the right medicine, what should I tell my doc? Thanks.__________________________________________________ In hypothyroidism , " Ade Bagley " <adrian@b...> wrote: > > Yep, but also bear in mind you can only increase dosage of armour or T4 > *very* slowly, like 1/2 a pill every 6-8 weeks. Adjusting any quicker than > this is dangerous. As long as you do it slowly, read up on the condition, > and make sure your pulse doesn't go up too high, it should be perfectly safe > to adjust your own dosage. > > Ade > > > Re: blood test soon > > > > > > > > > > Good Lord, just take the dosage you need. You don't have to wait for a > > blood test to tell you what you need!!!!!! You cannot be treated > > to the TSH > > on Armour. TSH on Armour will be very low, few docs will give you an > > increase in meds unless they are are of the limitations of treating to the > > test. This keeps us ill. > > Gracia > > > > > > > > > > > The results of my blood test will come in soon. For the past > > > several mos, after being diagnosed as hypothyroid,I've been taking > > > 60 mg of Thyroid(armor T). My temp (basal, morning) is still low, > > > sometimes 95.something, 96.something, so I suspect the dosage will > > > be increased. > > > So far , the replacement has done wonders for me, fisically gotten > > > rid of fat and excess weight(never been overweight/obese, but still, > > > now I do not have all that fat, went from 200/205 to > > > 180/175)...always working out as ever, since I was a kid I ran, etc, > > > so the combination of working out as ussual and thyroid has worked > > > very good fisically, and mentally too, now I am much more confident, > > > in other words, those anoying semi panic episodes are gone by 90%, > > > still every now and then I feel some of that, but I can control it > > > easy. > > > I will let you guys know my blood content as soon as the results > > > come in, and also would like to hear from anybody experiencing > > > similar changes. I hope that the dosage will be adjusted, I feel > > > that my body will achieve its true potential once the dosage is > > > adjusted according to the blood sample. > > > By. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 --- Hy, thanks for your responses, I thought this group was death after the barrage of spam, glad to see it is not. You both seem to say that I should adjust the dosage, but how do I know when I am fine, or reached the right level? Or is there a limit where I will feel bad? I am confused , Armour Thyroid is not the right treatment for low Ts? The blood test would not tell a difference in T levels now than when I got the 1st blood test and discovered the low T? What is a good level of Armour T, and, if Armour T is not the right medicine, what should I tell my doc? Thanks.__________________________________________________ In hypothyroidism , " Ade Bagley " <adrian@b...> wrote: > > Yep, but also bear in mind you can only increase dosage of armour or T4 > *very* slowly, like 1/2 a pill every 6-8 weeks. Adjusting any quicker than > this is dangerous. As long as you do it slowly, read up on the condition, > and make sure your pulse doesn't go up too high, it should be perfectly safe > to adjust your own dosage. > > Ade > > > Re: blood test soon > > > > > > > > > > Good Lord, just take the dosage you need. You don't have to wait for a > > blood test to tell you what you need!!!!!! You cannot be treated > > to the TSH > > on Armour. TSH on Armour will be very low, few docs will give you an > > increase in meds unless they are are of the limitations of treating to the > > test. This keeps us ill. > > Gracia > > > > > > > > > > > The results of my blood test will come in soon. For the past > > > several mos, after being diagnosed as hypothyroid,I've been taking > > > 60 mg of Thyroid(armor T). My temp (basal, morning) is still low, > > > sometimes 95.something, 96.something, so I suspect the dosage will > > > be increased. > > > So far , the replacement has done wonders for me, fisically gotten > > > rid of fat and excess weight(never been overweight/obese, but still, > > > now I do not have all that fat, went from 200/205 to > > > 180/175)...always working out as ever, since I was a kid I ran, etc, > > > so the combination of working out as ussual and thyroid has worked > > > very good fisically, and mentally too, now I am much more confident, > > > in other words, those anoying semi panic episodes are gone by 90%, > > > still every now and then I feel some of that, but I can control it > > > easy. > > > I will let you guys know my blood content as soon as the results > > > come in, and also would like to hear from anybody experiencing > > > similar changes. I hope that the dosage will be adjusted, I feel > > > that my body will achieve its true potential once the dosage is > > > adjusted according to the blood sample. > > > By. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 Armour IS the right medicine. It is very easy to find the right dose (I did). Just increase by 30mg until you feel well---no tests, no waiting, it is not at all dangerous. Do not wait 6-8 weeks to increase b/c you will suffer unnecessarily. Gracia > > > > --- Hy, thanks for your responses, I thought this group was death > after the barrage of spam, glad to see it is not. > You both seem to say that I should adjust the dosage, but how do > I know when I am fine, or reached the right level? Or is there a > limit where I will feel bad? I am confused , Armour Thyroid is not > the right treatment for low Ts? The blood test would not tell a > difference in T levels now than when I got the 1st blood test and > discovered the low T? What is a good level of Armour T, and, if > Armour T is not the right medicine, what should I tell my doc? > Thanks.__________________________________________________ > In hypothyroidism , " Ade Bagley " <adrian@b...> wrote: > > > > Yep, but also bear in mind you can only increase dosage of armour > or T4 > > *very* slowly, like 1/2 a pill every 6-8 weeks. Adjusting any > quicker than > > this is dangerous. As long as you do it slowly, read up on the > condition, > > and make sure your pulse doesn't go up too high, it should be > perfectly safe > > to adjust your own dosage. > > > > Ade > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 Armour IS the right medicine. It is very easy to find the right dose (I did). Just increase by 30mg until you feel well---no tests, no waiting, it is not at all dangerous. Do not wait 6-8 weeks to increase b/c you will suffer unnecessarily. Gracia > > > > --- Hy, thanks for your responses, I thought this group was death > after the barrage of spam, glad to see it is not. > You both seem to say that I should adjust the dosage, but how do > I know when I am fine, or reached the right level? Or is there a > limit where I will feel bad? I am confused , Armour Thyroid is not > the right treatment for low Ts? The blood test would not tell a > difference in T levels now than when I got the 1st blood test and > discovered the low T? What is a good level of Armour T, and, if > Armour T is not the right medicine, what should I tell my doc? > Thanks.__________________________________________________ > In hypothyroidism , " Ade Bagley " <adrian@b...> wrote: > > > > Yep, but also bear in mind you can only increase dosage of armour > or T4 > > *very* slowly, like 1/2 a pill every 6-8 weeks. Adjusting any > quicker than > > this is dangerous. As long as you do it slowly, read up on the > condition, > > and make sure your pulse doesn't go up too high, it should be > perfectly safe > > to adjust your own dosage. > > > > Ade > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 Gracia, >... Just increase by 30mg until you feel well---no tests, no waiting, it > is not at all dangerous. Do not wait 6-8 weeks to increase b/c you will > suffer unnecessarily. This might be completely true if an occurrence of atrial fibrillation were not dangerous. If someone is over 50, has high cholesterol, is on one of several medications that affect heartbeat, or is otherwise susceptible to arrythmias, they might want to read the literature to decide whether this approach is truly not at all dangerous. I agree that 6-8 weeks is probably needlessly conservative a wait. I pushed my doc for changes at roughly 4 week intervals. He went along with it, but that was with test results to guide his dosage calculations and monitoring of my heart each time. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 > Armour IS the right medicine. It is very easy to find the right dose (I > did). Just increase by 30mg until you feel well---no tests, no > waiting, it > is not at all dangerous. Do not wait 6-8 weeks to increase b/c you will > suffer unnecessarily. Gracia... I realise you're very experienced at this and I respect your judgement enormously, but that's downright dangerous advice!! You *must* wait 6-8 weeks before each increase in dosage, otherwise you're basically guessing what will be right for you and taking pot luck. T4 has such a long half-life that it takes ages to build up in the system. Therefore you won't feel the full effect of each increase until weeks later. What tends to happen is that people increase by, say, 30mg, but feel no different, and their pulse is still low. That's strange, they think, can't have been enough then, and add another 30 mg. A few days later their pulse is still low, so they add another 30mg.... Then the next week, apparently out of the blue, their pulse soars to 90. Great they think, I must have found the right dose! Then the next day their pulse is 100. The day after that 120. Before you know it your heart is trying its best to beat its way out of your chest. This is exactly what happened to me, so I know what I'm talking about here. I was fine - my pulse peaked at 180 but it didn't actually explode or anything. But thyroid meds can be very, very deceptive. They *are* safe, extremely safe, but only when used properly. Never, ever increase the dosage quickly. You could probably get away with increasing every 4 weeks, but I'd recommend 6. Give your body time to adjust each time before making another change. There's also the risk that you could have an adrenal problem, in which case taking a big dose of thyroid meds too quickly could make you badly ill. If you start on a small dose and increase slowly you'll notice yourself feeling worse before things get ugly. Ade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 > --- Hy, thanks for your responses, I thought this group was death > after the barrage of spam, glad to see it is not. > You both seem to say that I should adjust the dosage, but how do > I know when I am fine, or reached the right level? Take your pulse and core temperature on waking every morning. If your pulse rises above 90, you need to lower the dose slightly. (If it rises above 100, stop taking thyroid meds until it comes down again, and then resume at a smaller dose.) You're looking to see when your pulse reaches a " normal " rate and stays there, something like 75-85. I tend to err on the slightly higher side, I find I'm best at about 85, but everyone's different. I find temperature is harder to gauge because the change is so small, but again, you're looking for it to reach the normal range (most people with hypothyroidism are literally a degree or two under). So long as you keep taking your pulse, and only increase your dose very slowly, there's really no risk. The only thing to watch out for is if you start to feel worse as you increase the dose, rather than better. If this happens, you may have low adrenal reserve (this means that your body isn't producing enough cortisol). Taking thyroid meds makes adrenal problems worse, so you'd need to stop the thyroid meds, then treat the adrenal problem, and only then start treating the thyroid again. > Or is there a > limit where I will feel bad? I am confused , Armour Thyroid is not > the right treatment for low Ts? Armour is the right treatment, but it causes TSH tests to come back low, which makes Dr's think you're taking too much medication even when you're not. So, it's better to more-or-less ignore the test result and go by symptoms instead - how you're feeling, and your waking pulse and temperature. Some people find different thyroid meds work better for them. Normally Dr's start you on T4 (thyroxin), and only try armour if T4 just isn't working for you. We sufferers tend to think armour should be the first thing to try, and only switch to T4 if the armour doesn't work for you! LOL As a last resort, if nothing else works, try T3 (liothyronin). T3 isn't ideal though because it doesn't last very long in your system. It's a bit like trying to get all your calories from eating sugar! LOL But it's there as a last resort. Ade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 > I agree that 6-8 weeks is probably needlessly conservative a wait. I > pushed my doc for changes at roughly 4 week intervals. He went along > with it, but that was with test results to guide his dosage calculations > and monitoring of my heart each time. Ah, ok, fair enough. 4-6 weeks then. Ade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 Well, actually, if you read the literature that comes with thyroid pills, that does give you guidance. I think it's prudent to increase T4 at about six week intervals as suggested, and that seems to be a universal rule with doctors. Doctors mostly want to err on the side of caution. However, Armour has the active T3 with a shorter half- life, so the guidelines in their literature suggest increasing doage at two to three week intervals. I am treating myself, though my doctor knows I am doing this. Therefore I have agreed with his suggestion that I not increase any thyroid medication quicker than every six weeks. I am on Armour. I intend to comply, because I feel I am better safe than sorry. And after all these years, I guess I can wait an extra two weeks. Plus I am already at a high enough dosage that I need to be careful. Gail > > I agree that 6-8 weeks is probably needlessly conservative a wait. I > > pushed my doc for changes at roughly 4 week intervals. He went along > > with it, but that was with test results to guide his dosage calculations > > and monitoring of my heart each time. > > Ah, ok, fair enough. 4-6 weeks then. > > Ade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 --- Hy, and thanks for everybody's replies. I have felt the improvement in my overall condition since I got started with the armour thyroid program. Like I said earlier, mind and body got better. I do not feel bad, I do not thik I've gotten to that point. My basal temp still low early in the mornings, 95's, 96'es, I have not checked my pulse though, never did, so, how do I do that? do I simply touch my wrist and feel for it for one minute, counting the beats? Comfirm this please. But I feel my pulse is low, always been told I have an " Athletes " pulse, in fact I exercise, running and some home weghts, always did since childhood, but probably it was not realy due to my work outs(in part yes but...) but due to the thyroid underperforming. This week I should be knowing about the blood test, it was performed under fasting for 12 hours.I just will wait and see, being it so close. I just got some alarm from the comment about armour thyroid giving misleading blood test results. I will tell my doctor that. I will check my pulse, assuming I have to be in normal conditions, not right out of bed nor just after a jogging/workout session, right? Thanks, I do not feel bad, always been (other than symptoms of underachiever thyroid ) healthy, no adrenal problems that I know, so I think , it can only feel better. I feel better than when I was w/o treatment, but I got to yet find out how will it feel with the proper dosage, I think I have not reached that peak yet. Will check my pulse and return. _________________________________________________________________ In hypothyroidism , " Ade Bagley " <adrian@b...> wrote: > > I agree that 6-8 weeks is probably needlessly conservative a wait. I > > pushed my doc for changes at roughly 4 week intervals. He went along > > with it, but that was with test results to guide his dosage calculations > > and monitoring of my heart each time. > > Ah, ok, fair enough. 4-6 weeks then. > > Ade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 Hi Chuck, I do feel that it is the best way to find the dose that works b/c tests just aren't helpful. I am over 50 but not on lots of drugs, and several times have taken more than I needed. I just felt a little fried and it only lasted a day. T4 drugs are very different however. Thyroid patients are famously undertreated so what are we to do if we are not given permission to have more meds? At my sickest my TSH was one point lower than yours is now! Desperate times call for desperate measures. Respectfully, Gracia > > Gracia, > > >... Just increase by 30mg until you feel well---no tests, no waiting, it > > is not at all dangerous. Do not wait 6-8 weeks to increase b/c you will > > suffer unnecessarily. > > This might be completely true if an occurrence of atrial fibrillation > were not dangerous. If someone is over 50, has high cholesterol, is on > one of several medications that affect heartbeat, or is otherwise > susceptible to arrythmias, they might want to read the literature to > decide whether this approach is truly not at all dangerous. > > I agree that 6-8 weeks is probably needlessly conservative a wait. I > pushed my doc for changes at roughly 4 week intervals. He went along > with it, but that was with test results to guide his dosage calculations > and monitoring of my heart each time. > > Chuck > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 yes if you are at high doses (like more than 3 grains, 180mg) then I would be more careful adding more. When I took one grain of Armour I got horrible headaches, which went away completely when I increased to 90mg. I could not have functioned without the increase. Gracia > > > Well, actually, if you read the literature that comes with thyroid > pills, that does give you guidance. I think it's prudent to increase > T4 at about six week intervals as suggested, and that seems to be a > universal rule with doctors. Doctors mostly want to err on the side > of caution. However, Armour has the active T3 with a shorter half- > life, so the guidelines in their literature suggest increasing doage > at two to three week intervals. I am treating myself, though my > doctor knows I am doing this. Therefore I have agreed with his > suggestion that I not increase any thyroid medication quicker than > every six weeks. I am on Armour. I intend to comply, because I feel I > am better safe than sorry. And after all these years, I guess I can > wait an extra two weeks. Plus I am already at a high enough dosage > that I need to be careful. > Gail > > > > > I agree that 6-8 weeks is probably needlessly conservative a > wait. I > > > pushed my doc for changes at roughly 4 week intervals. He went > along > > > with it, but that was with test results to guide his dosage > calculations > > > and monitoring of my heart each time. > > > > Ah, ok, fair enough. 4-6 weeks then. > > > > Ade > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 my pulse was always very rapid b/c of my stressed adrenals. And my temp was all over the place, also an adrenal symptom. http://www.drrind.com has a chart on thyroid/adrenal symptoms Gracia > > Take your pulse and core temperature on waking every morning. If your pulse > rises above 90, you need to lower the dose slightly. (If it rises above 100, > stop taking thyroid meds until it comes down again, and then resume at a > smaller dose.) You're looking to see when your pulse reaches a " normal " rate > and stays there, something like 75-85. I tend to err on the slightly higher > side, I find I'm best at about 85, but everyone's different. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 Hi Ade, I had to self treat and I thought it was easy! but at the time of course I was confused and scared but desperate. I think I needed the T3 so when I got the right amount it was a great relief. AND I had very very high blood pressure and low TSH! I just had to go by how I felt. Gracia > >> Gracia... I realise you're very experienced at this and I respect your > judgement enormously, but that's downright dangerous advice!! You *must* > wait 6-8 weeks before each increase in dosage, otherwise you're basically > guessing what will be right for you and taking pot luck. T4 has such a long > half-life that it takes ages to build up in the system. Therefore you won't > feel the full effect of each increase until weeks later. What tends to > happen is that people increase by, say, 30mg, but feel no different, and > their pulse is still low. That's strange, they think, can't have been enough > then, and add another 30 mg. A few days later their pulse is still low, so > they add another 30mg.... Then the next week, apparently out of the blue, > their pulse soars to 90. Great they think, I must have found the right dose! > Then the next day their pulse is 100. The day after that 120. Before you > know it your heart is trying its best to beat its way out of your chest. > > This is exactly what happened to me, so I know what I'm talking about here. > I was fine - my pulse peaked at 180 but it didn't actually explode or > anything. But thyroid meds can be very, very deceptive. They *are* safe, > extremely safe, but only when used properly. Never, ever increase the dosage > quickly. You could probably get away with increasing every 4 weeks, but I'd > recommend 6. Give your body time to adjust each time before making another > change. > > There's also the risk that you could have an adrenal problem, in which case > taking a big dose of thyroid meds too quickly could make you badly ill. If > you start on a small dose and increase slowly you'll notice yourself feeling > worse before things get ugly. > > Ade > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 > Hi Ade, I had to self treat and I thought it was easy! but at the time of > course I was confused and scared but desperate. I think I needed > the T3 so > when I got the right amount it was a great relief. AND I had > very very high > blood pressure and low TSH! I just had to go by how I felt. Maybe you were just better at it than me! LOLOL I was a bit of an idiot, I must admit. Well done you for getting it right, without help too. Ade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 --- Hy. I just checked my pulse, several times to avoid error, it is 58 BPM. I will check it several timea a day, like that I can establish a curve. I was doing home chores, computer work, etc, not at rest, nor working out. What is the good pulse, what is too high and too low? Currently taking 60MG Thyroid. Is there a difference between generic and Armour thyroid? Thanks.------------------------------------------------------- In hypothyroidism , " " <jaimecidpedro@y...> wrote: > > --- Hy, and thanks for everybody's replies. I have felt the > improvement in my overall condition since I got started with the > armour thyroid program. Like I said earlier, mind and body got > better. I do not feel bad, I do not thik I've gotten to that point. > My basal temp still low early in the mornings, 95's, 96'es, I have > not checked my pulse though, never did, so, how do I do that? do I > simply touch my wrist and feel for it for one minute, counting the > beats? Comfirm this please. But I feel my pulse is low, always been > told I have an " Athletes " pulse, in fact I exercise, running and > some home weghts, always did since childhood, but probably it was > not realy due to my work outs(in part yes but...) but due to the > thyroid underperforming. > This week I should be knowing about the blood test, it was > performed under fasting for 12 hours.I just will wait and see, > being it so close. I just got some alarm from the comment about > armour thyroid giving misleading blood test results. I will tell my > doctor that. > I will check my pulse, assuming I have to be in normal conditions, > not right out of bed nor just after a jogging/workout session, > right? > Thanks, I do not feel bad, always been (other than symptoms of > underachiever thyroid ) healthy, no adrenal problems that I know, so > I think , it can only feel better. I feel better than when I was > w/o treatment, but I got to yet find out how will it feel with the > proper dosage, I think I have not reached that peak yet. > Will check my pulse and return. > _________________________________________________________________ > In hypothyroidism , " Ade Bagley " <adrian@b...> wrote: > > > I agree that 6-8 weeks is probably needlessly conservative a > wait. I > > > pushed my doc for changes at roughly 4 week intervals. He went > along > > > with it, but that was with test results to guide his dosage > calculations > > > and monitoring of my heart each time. > > > > Ah, ok, fair enough. 4-6 weeks then. > > > > Ade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 --- Before going to bed, I checked my temperature, which in the mornings is always around 95.x to 96.x, well, right now, after being in the computer and so, it marked 97.0 I think I am still in the woods, considering the 58BPM pulse. Any suggestions are welcome, and wanted. Thanks.________________________________________________________ In hypothyroidism , " " <jaimecidpedro@y...> wrote: > > --- Hy. I just checked my pulse, several times to avoid error, it > is 58 BPM. > I will check it several timea a day, like that I can establish a > curve. I was doing home chores, computer work, etc, not at rest, nor > working out. > What is the good pulse, what is too high and too low? > Currently taking 60MG Thyroid. Is there a difference between > generic and Armour thyroid? > Thanks.------------------------------------------------------- > > In hypothyroidism , " " <jaimecidpedro@y...> > wrote: > > > > --- Hy, and thanks for everybody's replies. I have felt the > > improvement in my overall condition since I got started with the > > armour thyroid program. Like I said earlier, mind and body got > > better. I do not feel bad, I do not thik I've gotten to that > point. > > My basal temp still low early in the mornings, 95's, 96'es, I > have > > not checked my pulse though, never did, so, how do I do that? do I > > simply touch my wrist and feel for it for one minute, counting the > > beats? Comfirm this please. But I feel my pulse is low, always > been > > told I have an " Athletes " pulse, in fact I exercise, running and > > some home weghts, always did since childhood, but probably it was > > not realy due to my work outs(in part yes but...) but due to the > > thyroid underperforming. > > This week I should be knowing about the blood test, it was > > performed under fasting for 12 hours.I just will wait and see, > > being it so close. I just got some alarm from the comment about > > armour thyroid giving misleading blood test results. I will tell > my > > doctor that. > > I will check my pulse, assuming I have to be in normal > conditions, > > not right out of bed nor just after a jogging/workout session, > > right? > > Thanks, I do not feel bad, always been (other than symptoms of > > underachiever thyroid ) healthy, no adrenal problems that I know, > so > > I think , it can only feel better. I feel better than when I was > > w/o treatment, but I got to yet find out how will it feel with the > > proper dosage, I think I have not reached that peak yet. > > Will check my pulse and return. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > In hypothyroidism , " Ade Bagley " <adrian@b...> > wrote: > > > > I agree that 6-8 weeks is probably needlessly conservative a > > wait. I > > > > pushed my doc for changes at roughly 4 week intervals. He went > > along > > > > with it, but that was with test results to guide his dosage > > calculations > > > > and monitoring of my heart each time. > > > > > > Ah, ok, fair enough. 4-6 weeks then. > > > > > > Ade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 > --- Hy. I just checked my pulse, several times to avoid error, it > is 58 BPM. Wooo, that's very low, you need more meds! > I will check it several timea a day, like that I can establish a > curve. I was doing home chores, computer work, etc, not at rest, nor > working out. What they recommend is to take it every day right when you wake up, that way nothing will be affecting your pulse rate at all (unless you just had a nightmare! LOL) 58 would be low even for a waking pulse rate, never mind during the day! Mine was about 60 before I started taking any thyroid meds at all. > What is the good pulse, what is too high and too low? I'd say 75-85 is about right, but it varies according to fitness levels etc. > Currently taking 60MG Thyroid. Is there a difference between > generic and Armour thyroid? Some say there is, some say there isn't. Personally I don't think it matters much as long as you keep taking the same thing. Ade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 > --- Hy, and thanks for everybody's replies. I have felt the > improvement in my overall condition since I got started with the > armour thyroid program. Like I said earlier, mind and body got > better. I do not feel bad, I do not thik I've gotten to that point. > My basal temp still low early in the mornings, 95's, 96'es, I have > not checked my pulse though, never did, so, how do I do that? do I > simply touch my wrist and feel for it for one minute, counting the > beats? Comfirm this please. Yep, that's the way! It's best to take both pulse & temperature first thing in the morning, before things like exercise can artificially increase them. Your pulse and temperature are both pretty low, so you clearly need more meds. > But I feel my pulse is low, always been > told I have an " Athletes " pulse, in fact I exercise, running and > some home weghts, always did since childhood, but probably it was > not realy due to my work outs(in part yes but...) but due to the > thyroid underperforming. Definitely. Ade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Ade, You wrote: About what I wrote: >>I agree that 6-8 weeks is probably needlessly conservative a wait. I >>pushed my doc for changes at roughly 4 week intervals. He went along >>with it, but that was with test results to guide his dosage calculations >>and monitoring of my heart each time. > > Ah, ok, fair enough. 4-6 weeks then. He also hit my maintenance dose after just two increases, which means he had the calculation nailed. It also means that my physiological response agreed with his algorithm. Had the first test indicated something was amiss with either, he probably would have baulked at my second request and waited the full 6-8 weeks. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Gracia, You wrote: > > ... When I took one grain of Armour I got horrible > headaches, which went away completely when I increased to 90mg. I could > not have functioned without the increase. This illustrates something that I have wondered might be happening to a lot of us on the list who have reported that one medication or the other made them much worse. That is that either a long delay in the benefits, or the fact that a dose is too low, can cause us to erroneously think that the medication itself is causing new symptoms. This may also cause the impression that one type of synthetic T4 causes side effects that the others do not. I am particularly suspicious of such side effect reports, when the side effects are themselves common symptoms of hypoT. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Yes I agree. It was kind of a miracle that I figured out to take more meds. A person taking Armour is not going to feel well with a TSH of 2, so a doctor might conclude that Armour is the problem, but it's the dosage. Gracia > > Gracia, > > You wrote: > > > > > ... When I took one grain of Armour I got horrible > > headaches, which went away completely when I increased to 90mg. I could > > not have functioned without the increase. > > This illustrates something that I have wondered might be happening to a > lot of us on the list who have reported that one medication or the other > made them much worse. That is that either a long delay in the benefits, > or the fact that a dose is too low, can cause us to erroneously think > that the medication itself is causing new symptoms. This may also cause > the impression that one type of synthetic T4 causes side effects that > the others do not. I am particularly suspicious of such side effect > reports, when the side effects are themselves common symptoms of hypoT. > > Chuck > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 most importantly how do you feel????? If you feel like crap, then you need more. Gracia > > > --- Before going to bed, I checked my temperature, which in the > mornings is always around 95.x to 96.x, well, right now, after being > in the computer and so, it marked 97.0 > I think I am still in the woods, considering the 58BPM pulse. > Any suggestions are welcome, and wanted. > Thanks.________________________________________________________ > In hypothyroidism , " " <jaimecidpedro@y...> > wrote: > > > > --- Hy. I just checked my pulse, several times to avoid error, it > > is 58 BPM. > > I will check it several timea a day, like that I can establish > a > > curve. I was doing home chores, computer work, etc, not at rest, > nor > > working out. > > What is the good pulse, what is too high and too low? > > Currently taking 60MG Thyroid. Is there a difference between > > generic and Armour thyroid? > > Thanks.------------------------------------------------------- > > > > In hypothyroidism , " " <jaimecidpedro@y...> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- Hy, and thanks for everybody's replies. I have felt the > > > improvement in my overall condition since I got started with > the > > > armour thyroid program. Like I said earlier, mind and body got > > > better. I do not feel bad, I do not thik I've gotten to that > > point. > > > My basal temp still low early in the mornings, 95's, 96'es, I > > have > > > not checked my pulse though, never did, so, how do I do that? do > I > > > simply touch my wrist and feel for it for one minute, counting > the > > > beats? Comfirm this please. But I feel my pulse is low, always > > been > > > told I have an " Athletes " pulse, in fact I exercise, running and > > > some home weghts, always did since childhood, but probably it > was > > > not realy due to my work outs(in part yes but...) but due to > the > > > thyroid underperforming. > > > This week I should be knowing about the blood test, it was > > > performed under fasting for 12 hours.I just will wait and see, > > > being it so close. I just got some alarm from the comment about > > > armour thyroid giving misleading blood test results. I will tell > > my > > > doctor that. > > > I will check my pulse, assuming I have to be in normal > > conditions, > > > not right out of bed nor just after a jogging/workout session, > > > right? > > > Thanks, I do not feel bad, always been (other than symptoms of > > > underachiever thyroid ) healthy, no adrenal problems that I > know, > > so > > > I think , it can only feel better. I feel better than when I > was > > > w/o treatment, but I got to yet find out how will it feel with > the > > > proper dosage, I think I have not reached that peak yet. > > > Will check my pulse and return. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > In hypothyroidism , " Ade Bagley " <adrian@b...> > > wrote: > > > > > I agree that 6-8 weeks is probably needlessly conservative a > > > wait. I > > > > > pushed my doc for changes at roughly 4 week intervals. He > went > > > along > > > > > with it, but that was with test results to guide his dosage > > > calculations > > > > > and monitoring of my heart each time. > > > > > > > > Ah, ok, fair enough. 4-6 weeks then. > > > > > > > > Ade > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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