Re: Hypo or Hyper..this maybe the answer

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

I read in the book Thyroid Power (page 38) that hypo

and hyper can indeed exist together. It is rare but

documented and it evan has a name..Hashitoxicosis. The

book says that people of have this condition feel

hyper one day and hypo the next...some describe it

feeling like one foot on the brake and the other on

the gas. Apparently Japanese doctors have had some

success using medications for both illnesses

simultaneously.

Hopes this helps.

Sandy

--- tonie25 <tonie25@...> wrote:

> I have just begun my testing for my thyroid. My

> doctor has been

> testing my blood for about a year now, and my TSH

> has been abnormally

> low, while my Free T4 has remained normal. Finally

> after a year, I

> talked my doctor into sending me to a specialist.

> (HMO of course!)

> Upon having my first meeting with my

> endocrinologist, whom is also

> treating my mother whom is Hypo (so was her mother,

> and her mother's

> mother), my doctor seems to think I am both Hypo and

> Hyper. My test

> results indicate I am Hyper, but my symptoms are all

> Hypo. Can

> anyone help me make sense of this? Also, if anyone

> has had this same

> experience, please let me know what I am in

> for.......Will I be

> treated for Hypo or Hyper?

>

> Any input is greatly appreciated!

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My hyper symptoms were completed alleviated with Armour thyroid. Hyper is

another form of hypo (too little T3 and exhausted adrenals). I am sure of

this.

Gracia

> Hi there,

> I read in the book Thyroid Power (page 38) that hypo

> and hyper can indeed exist together. It is rare but

> documented and it evan has a name..Hashitoxicosis. The

> book says that people of have this condition feel

> hyper one day and hypo the next...some describe it

> feeling like one foot on the brake and the other on

> the gas. Apparently Japanese doctors have had some

> success using medications for both illnesses

> simultaneously.

>

> Hopes this helps.

> Sandy

> --- tonie25 <tonie25@...> wrote:

> > I have just begun my testing for my thyroid. My

> > doctor has been

> > testing my blood for about a year now, and my TSH

> > has been abnormally

> > low, while my Free T4 has remained normal. Finally

> > after a year, I

> > talked my doctor into sending me to a specialist.

> > (HMO of course!)

> > Upon having my first meeting with my

> > endocrinologist, whom is also

> > treating my mother whom is Hypo (so was her mother,

> > and her mother's

> > mother), my doctor seems to think I am both Hypo and

> > Hyper. My test

> > results indicate I am Hyper, but my symptoms are all

> > Hypo. Can

> > anyone help me make sense of this? Also, if anyone

> > has had this same

> > experience, please let me know what I am in

> > for.......Will I be

> > treated for Hypo or Hyper?

> >

> > Any input is greatly appreciated!

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

By definition (look in any dictionary) hyperthyroidism is NOT a form

of hypothyroidsim (nor vice versa). What makes it confusing is that

there are symptoms that are common to both hypothyroidism and

hyperthyroidism. The symptoms of goiter, hair loss, fatigue,

insomnia, palpitations, and amenorrhea can be signs of either

hypothyroid or hyperthyroid. Certain conditions, such as the

thyrotoxicosis which can occur with Hashimoto's (as Sandy mentioned),

or Graves' disease can even result in swinging back and forth between

the two.

Celeste

Gracia wrote:

>

> My hyper symptoms were completed alleviated with Armour thyroid.

Hyper is

> another form of hypo (too little T3 and exhausted adrenals). I am

sure of

> this.

>

> Sandy wrote:

> > I read in the book Thyroid Power (page 38) that hypo

> > and hyper can indeed exist together. It is rare but

> > documented and it evan has a name..Hashitoxicosis. The

> > book says that people of have this condition feel

> > hyper one day and hypo the next...some describe it

> > feeling like one foot on the brake and the other on

> > the gas. Apparently Japanese doctors have had some

> > success using medications for both illnesses

> > simultaneously.

[Guest guest]

I don't care what the definition is. The medical establishment is dead

wrong, as they have been in so many other areas. Shomon interviewed

Ray Peat PhD, and I was heartened to read that all his so called hyper

patients were really hypo. That was certainly true of me.

> Gracia,

>

> By definition (look in any dictionary) hyperthyroidism is NOT a form

> of hypothyroidsim (nor vice versa). What makes it confusing is that

> there are symptoms that are common to both hypothyroidism and

> hyperthyroidism. The symptoms of goiter, hair loss, fatigue,

> insomnia, palpitations, and amenorrhea can be signs of either

> hypothyroid or hyperthyroid. Certain conditions, such as the

> thyrotoxicosis which can occur with Hashimoto's (as Sandy mentioned),

> or Graves' disease can even result in swinging back and forth between

> the two.

>

> Celeste

>

> Gracia wrote:

> >

> > My hyper symptoms were completed alleviated with Armour thyroid.

> Hyper is

> > another form of hypo (too little T3 and exhausted adrenals). I am

> sure of

> > this.

> >

> > Sandy wrote:

> > > I read in the book Thyroid Power (page 38) that hypo

> > > and hyper can indeed exist together. It is rare but

> > > documented and it evan has a name..Hashitoxicosis. The

> > > book says that people of have this condition feel

> > > hyper one day and hypo the next...some describe it

> > > feeling like one foot on the brake and the other on

> > > the gas. Apparently Japanese doctors have had some

> > > success using medications for both illnesses

> > > simultaneously.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

The definitions of hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism have nothing to

do with " the medical establishment " (whatever that refers to). Sounds

like Shomen and Peat were merely talking about patients who had been

misdiagnosed.

Celeste

Gracia wrote:

>

> I don't care what the definition is. The medical establishment is

dead

> wrong, as they have been in so many other areas. Shomon

interviewed

> Ray Peat PhD, and I was heartened to read that all his so called

hyper

> patients were really hypo. That was certainly true of me.

[Guest guest]

YES I agree with you there! Lots of misdiagnoses. I had a partial

thyroidectomy which left me horribly sick, and yet I had every symptom of

low thyroid before the surgery. Then to add insult to injury, I wasn't

given thyroid hormone because I was " normal " . (tsh)

> Gracia,

>

> The definitions of hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism have nothing to

> do with " the medical establishment " (whatever that refers to). Sounds

> like Shomen and Peat were merely talking about patients who had been

> misdiagnosed.

>

> Celeste

>

> Gracia wrote:

> >

> > I don't care what the definition is. The medical establishment is

> dead

> > wrong, as they have been in so many other areas. Shomon

> interviewed

> > Ray Peat PhD, and I was heartened to read that all his so called

> hyper

> > patients were really hypo. That was certainly true of me.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

I'm sorry to hear that you received such horrible care. I can tell you

from my experience, though, that it is not just regular M.D.'s who

make mistakes. Before I was properly diagnosed I had gone to two

" alternative " practitioners (who had their own thriving clinics) who

could not figure out that I had a thyroid problem. Osteopaths and

naturopaths are supposed to be able to diagnose thyroid problems, too,

but apparently not all of them are able to. And they didn't even have

the good sense to refer my to someone who could figure out what was

causing my health problems. The human endocrine system is very

complex and thyroid disorders can be very difficult to diagnose.

Doctors are not perfect. We just have to persevere until we find one

(or more) who can really help.

Best wishes,

Celeste

Gracia wrote:

>

> YES I agree with you there! Lots of misdiagnoses. I had a partial

> thyroidectomy which left me horribly sick, and yet I had every

symptom of

> low thyroid before the surgery. Then to add insult to injury, I

wasn't

> given thyroid hormone because I was " normal " . (tsh)

>

[Guest guest]

Although I value Shomon's work and contribution to Hypothyroidism, she

is not a doctor.

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Subject: Re: Re: Hypo or Hyper..this maybe the answer

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 22:47:19 -0400

I don't care what the definition is. The medical establishment is dead

wrong, as they have been in so many other areas. Shomon interviewed

Ray Peat PhD, and I was heartened to read that all his so called hyper

patients were really hypo. That was certainly true of me.

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[Guest guest]

I have also encountered alternative docs who didn't have a clue, and a few

good ones. They take the oath " first do no harm " seriously, but sometimes

they do no good. I must conclude that allopathic medical doctors, the

" establishment " , are poorly educated, judging from what I read on the

internet, my own experience, and people I know. So I feel safer with the

holistic ones. But my main point is that patients diagnosed " hyper " are

misdiagnosed and mistreated, and I feel confident that very soon this will

be a major medical scandal. I can't wait to be interviewed on Oprah I

really don't think thyroid problems are difficult to diagnose---just

frigging LISTEN to the patient. I was so constipated in college I lived on

laxatives, and maybe could go once a week, brain fog, acne etc, and they cut

out my thyroid gland????????

> Gracia,

>

> I'm sorry to hear that you received such horrible care. I can tell you

> from my experience, though, that it is not just regular M.D.'s who

> make mistakes. Before I was properly diagnosed I had gone to two

> " alternative " practitioners (who had their own thriving clinics) who

> could not figure out that I had a thyroid problem. Osteopaths and

> naturopaths are supposed to be able to diagnose thyroid problems, too,

> but apparently not all of them are able to. And they didn't even have

> the good sense to refer my to someone who could figure out what was

> causing my health problems. The human endocrine system is very

> complex and thyroid disorders can be very difficult to diagnose.

> Doctors are not perfect. We just have to persevere until we find one

> (or more) who can really help.

>

> Best wishes,

> Celeste

>

> Gracia wrote:

> >

> > YES I agree with you there! Lots of misdiagnoses. I had a partial

> > thyroidectomy which left me horribly sick, and yet I had every

> symptom of

> > low thyroid before the surgery. Then to add insult to injury, I

> wasn't

> > given thyroid hormone because I was " normal " . (tsh)

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

Sorry, but I disagree about thyroid problems not being difficult to

diagnose. There are so many symptoms that could indicate either hypo

or hyper that a doctor simply cannot go just by the symptoms. For

instance, in your case it's not too surprising that you had surgery on

your thyroid since the symptoms you describe (particularly

constipation) could belong to either hyperthyroidism or

hypothyroidism. So I don't think we'll be seeing you (nor any other

thyroid patient) on Oprah. ;-)

Best wishes,

Celeste

Gracia wrote:

> But my main point is that patients diagnosed " hyper " are

> misdiagnosed and mistreated, and I feel confident that very soon

this will

> be a major medical scandal. I can't wait to be interviewed on

Oprah I

> really don't think thyroid problems are difficult to diagnose---just

> frigging LISTEN to the patient. I was so constipated in college I

lived on

> laxatives, and maybe could go once a week, brain fog, acne etc, and

they cut

> out my thyroid gland????????

>