Re: Synthroid alter Estrogen blood test

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probably.....my new doc thinks all my issues are from oestrogen

dominance.......hmmm well I'm giving him six months to prove it! I am

having tests next week and I'll let you know what he is going to do. My

guess is low dose progesterone and possibly testosterone.

Kerry

Synthroid alter Estrogen blood test

Does taking synthroid have any impact to blood tests with regards to

Estrogen and Progesterone levels? I had my labs drawn after 4 days of

synthroid 25mcg and my Estrogen levels were above normal range and

progesterone was 0.4 (range 0.3 - 1.2 for men). I think many of my

HypoT symptoms can be associated with Low Progesterone/Estrogen

dominance...which when happens disrupts thyroid production.

Man...do I need to take progesterone as well???

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My T levels are slightly over the low end of the range. I don't want T

replacement as I tried it and felt like crap...probably cuz it was going

straight into more estrogen.

I think I'm in line for Anti Estrogen therapy...possibly progesterone. We'll

see what Endo says after he rec'vs my blood work (got the labs done by my

general physician's office).

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

probably.....my new doc thinks all my issues are from oestrogen

dominance.......hmmm well I'm giving him six months to prove it! I am

having tests next week and I'll let you know what he is going to do. My

guess is low dose progesterone and possibly testosterone.

Kerry

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what? new hormone doc thinks you have too much estrogen? Estrogen is a

good thing.

hmmmm

Gracia

> probably.....my new doc thinks all my issues are from oestrogen

> dominance.......hmmm well I'm giving him six months to prove it! I am

> having tests next week and I'll let you know what he is going to do. My

> guess is low dose progesterone and possibly testosterone.

> Kerry

>

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Yes I know Gracia...I feel the same but I'll wait till after the tests

to decide - some hormone docs still give a little oestrogen when you are

dominant. The jury is out for sure.

If I had had the same measurable and obvious success that you have had

with hormones I am not afraid to self- treat but to be honest neither

the thyroid, cortef nor progesterone have made the big difference for me

- not saying they have not helped - so I'm willing to trust a doc who

claims he has helped a lot of women (good reputation) for a few months

to see if he can make sense of my little mess of hormones.

Kerry

Re: Synthroid alter Estrogen blood test

what? new hormone doc thinks you have too much estrogen? Estrogen is

a

good thing.

hmmmm

Gracia

> probably.....my new doc thinks all my issues are from oestrogen

> dominance.......hmmm well I'm giving him six months to prove it! I am

> having tests next week and I'll let you know what he is going to do.

My

> guess is low dose progesterone and possibly testosterone.

> Kerry

>

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your adrenals are stressed from too low a dose of meds, and most do better

with a different med like ARmour. you need to get proper thyroid

treatment otherwise you willl end up with many other Rx and Dx. It's kind of

a disaster to put someone on too low a dose of T4 and then start testing for

other problems.

Gracia

> Does taking synthroid have any impact to blood tests with regards to

> Estrogen and Progesterone levels? I had my labs drawn after 4 days of

> synthroid 25mcg and my Estrogen levels were above normal range and

> progesterone was 0.4 (range 0.3 - 1.2 for men). I think many of my HypoT

> symptoms can be associated with Low Progesterone/Estrogen

> dominance...which when happens disrupts thyroid production.

>

> Man...do I need to take progesterone as well???

>

> Thanks

>

>

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Not sure if stonger thyroid meds is the answer as my thryoid scan comes in

perfect with not goiters or nodules of any kind. Progesterone deficiency is

known to disrupt thryoid function and create HypoT symptoms...so why not address

progesterone and leave thyroid gland alone?

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

your adrenals are stressed from too low a dose of meds, and most do better

with a different med like ARmour. you need to get proper thyroid

treatment otherwise you willl end up with many other Rx and Dx. It's kind of

a disaster to put someone on too low a dose of T4 and then start testing for

other problems.

Gracia

> Does taking synthroid have any impact to blood tests with regards to

> Estrogen and Progesterone levels? I had my labs drawn after 4 days of

> synthroid 25mcg and my Estrogen levels were above normal range and

> progesterone was 0.4 (range 0.3 - 1.2 for men). I think many of my HypoT

> symptoms can be associated with Low Progesterone/Estrogen

> dominance...which when happens disrupts thyroid production.

>

> Man...do I need to take progesterone as well???

>

> Thanks

>

>

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Good idea if it works for you - that is what I would do if I had my time

over - most of us are far down the track of multiple imbalances and it

is often too complex for this to work.

I suggest you try it.

Kerry

Re: Synthroid alter Estrogen blood test

Not sure if stonger thyroid meds is the answer as my thryoid scan comes

in perfect with not goiters or nodules of any kind. Progesterone

deficiency is known to disrupt thryoid function and create HypoT

symptoms...so why not address progesterone and leave thyroid gland

alone?

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

your adrenals are stressed from too low a dose of meds, and most do

better

with a different med like ARmour. you need to get proper thyroid

treatment otherwise you willl end up with many other Rx and Dx. It's

kind of

a disaster to put someone on too low a dose of T4 and then start testing

for

other problems.

Gracia

> Does taking synthroid have any impact to blood tests with regards to

> Estrogen and Progesterone levels? I had my labs drawn after 4 days of

> synthroid 25mcg and my Estrogen levels were above normal range and

> progesterone was 0.4 (range 0.3 - 1.2 for men). I think many of my

HypoT

> symptoms can be associated with Low Progesterone/Estrogen

> dominance...which when happens disrupts thyroid production.

>

> Man...do I need to take progesterone as well???

>

> Thanks

>

>

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I associate P deficiency with hypothyroid, they are found together. Maybe

you just need adrenal support.

Gracia

> Not sure if stonger thyroid meds is the answer as my thryoid scan comes

> in perfect with not goiters or nodules of any kind. Progesterone

> deficiency is known to disrupt thryoid function and create HypoT

> symptoms...so why not address progesterone and leave thyroid gland

> alone?

>

>

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What exactly is adrenal support?

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

I associate P deficiency with hypothyroid, they are found together. Maybe

you just need adrenal support.

Gracia

> Not sure if stonger thyroid meds is the answer as my thryoid scan comes

> in perfect with not goiters or nodules of any kind. Progesterone

> deficiency is known to disrupt thryoid function and create HypoT

> symptoms...so why not address progesterone and leave thyroid gland

> alone?

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I know, I can relate to the difficulties and frustration with all this, but

I think it's so 20th century for docs not to know about estrogen and all

it's benefits, like energy, clear thinking, sense of well being. And just

taking a little is not as good as taking the right amount.

There is a guy on the wmnshormone group, some kind of health care person but

he does not disclose what he actually does, who is very adamant that women

should be tested by saliva for hormones and then consult someone like him

b/c interpretation is very mysterious and difficult. After all that he

mostly uses OTC progesterone and DHEA. He thinks the doses that Hertoghe

uses are wrong. I would love to use tiny bits of hormones but I think I

wouldn't be very well.

What was removed from you female parts wise? Doc is doing blood tests?

I think the term estrogen dominance is misleading b/c it is usually P

deficiency or imbalance.

Gracia

> Yes I know Gracia...I feel the same but I'll wait till after the tests

> to decide - some hormone docs still give a little oestrogen when you are

> dominant. The jury is out for sure.

>

> If I had had the same measurable and obvious success that you have had

> with hormones I am not afraid to self- treat but to be honest neither

> the thyroid, cortef nor progesterone have made the big difference for me

> - not saying they have not helped - so I'm willing to trust a doc who

> claims he has helped a lot of women (good reputation) for a few months

> to see if he can make sense of my little mess of hormones.

> Kerry

>

>

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What are your thoughts on this link? There's a lot of stuff out here regarding

this theory..mostly by the author of this link.

http://www.fibroid101.com/thyroid.htm

As for the levels...I was spot on. normal FT4 while slightly elevated TSH

(2.4..previously I posted 2.9 but I just double checked my labs and it was 2.4).

that's why my endo only prescribed 25mcg synthroid.

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My TSH has always been one something. Well I don't know for sure b/c I

alwasy took the doc's word that I was " normal " . I have been hypo ALL my

life, made worse by a partial thyroidectomy at age 22 which wiped out any

chance for a normal life. Docs treat to tests and if you think that's a

good idea then do it. You might need iodine, you might need adrenal meds

etc--it's a little more complicated than a test.

I just glanced at the website, I think it might be misleading. Where are

we getting all this estrogen from LOL? plastic I guess. But fat and

cholesterol make hormones and Americans have been subjected to many toxic

fats and we have lots of hormone probs. If you were a bottle fed baby you

might have gotten hydrogenated oils in your formula!

Gracia

> What are your thoughts on this link? There's a lot of stuff out here

> regarding this theory..mostly by the author of this link.

>

> http://www.fibroid101.com/thyroid.htm

>

> As for the levels...I was spot on. normal FT4 while slightly elevated TSH

> (2.4..previously I posted 2.9 but I just double checked my labs and it was

> 2.4).

>

> that's why my endo only prescribed 25mcg synthroid.

>

>

>

>

>

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Gracia

you wrote:

> Where are we getting all this estrogen from LOL?

I took Propecia (finasteride) for 6 years as my hair was thinning.

Finasteride alters Testosterone by preventing it to convert to DHT. It probably

converted to Estrogen...as my Total Estrogen Serum levels are 143 and range is

Less than 130. Also Progesterone is 0.4 while range for male is 0.3 to 1.2

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Estrogen dominance? How about being on Premarin for 20-some years? None of all

these doctors, (I've lived in many places) ever mentioned anything about a

thyroid problem. It is only now lately, (3-4 years ago) that my now doc here

started testing for TSH. And then she prescribed Synthroid. After a couple of

years the doctor at the Hotze clinic switched me to Armour.

Right now I'm experimenting with taking my Armour in the evening, 2 hours after

eating, under my tongue to dissolve, to see if more of it gets absorbed and

utilized. Maybe I can lower the dose that way. I was on 90 mg of the generic

thyroid, maybe 60 mg of Armour will be enough. I'll keep you posted.

Re: Synthroid alter Estrogen blood test

My TSH has always been one something. Well I don't know for sure b/c I

alwasy took the doc's word that I was " normal " . I have been hypo ALL my

life, made worse by a partial thyroidectomy at age 22 which wiped out any

chance for a normal life. Docs treat to tests and if you think that's a

good idea then do it. You might need iodine, you might need adrenal meds

etc--it's a little more complicated than a test.

I just glanced at the website, I think it might be misleading. Where are

we getting all this estrogen from LOL? plastic I guess. But fat and

cholesterol make hormones and Americans have been subjected to many toxic

fats and we have lots of hormone probs. If you were a bottle fed baby you

might have gotten hydrogenated oils in your formula!

Gracia

> What are your thoughts on this link? There's a lot of stuff out here

> regarding this theory..mostly by the author of this link.

>

> http://www.fibroid101.com/thyroid.htm

>

> As for the levels...I was spot on. normal FT4 while slightly elevated TSH

> (2.4..previously I posted 2.9 but I just double checked my labs and it was

> 2.4).

>

> that's why my endo only prescribed 25mcg synthroid.

>

>

>

>

>

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I had my uterus removed but kept ovaries and cervix - the doc thinks the

chances of me still ovulating are slim given the operation and years of

CFS - I tend to agree although I still experience a monthly hormone

cycle.

At least he actually understands Oestrogen dominance - he uses

progesterone to balance that. I just don't know yet what else he is

prepared to use.

I think the medical world is split about oestrogen - the old HRT all

oestrogen side and the new progesterone side which tends to leave

oestrogen out of the equation.

He is doing red blood cells tests as opposed to plasma and I don't know

what ones as yet.

Thanks for responding - I appreciate the support.

Kerry

ps I would have pronounced Hertoghe as hair-togg as well

Re: Synthroid alter Estrogen blood test

I know, I can relate to the difficulties and frustration with all this,

but

I think it's so 20th century for docs not to know about estrogen and

all

it's benefits, like energy, clear thinking, sense of well being. And

just

taking a little is not as good as taking the right amount.

There is a guy on the wmnshormone group, some kind of health care person

but

he does not disclose what he actually does, who is very adamant that

women

should be tested by saliva for hormones and then consult someone like

him

b/c interpretation is very mysterious and difficult. After all that he

mostly uses OTC progesterone and DHEA. He thinks the doses that

Hertoghe

uses are wrong. I would love to use tiny bits of hormones but I think

I

wouldn't be very well.

What was removed from you female parts wise? Doc is doing blood

tests?

I think the term estrogen dominance is misleading b/c it is usually P

deficiency or imbalance.

Gracia

> Yes I know Gracia...I feel the same but I'll wait till after the tests

> to decide - some hormone docs still give a little oestrogen when you

are

> dominant. The jury is out for sure.

>

> If I had had the same measurable and obvious success that you have had

> with hormones I am not afraid to self- treat but to be honest neither

> the thyroid, cortef nor progesterone have made the big difference for

me

> - not saying they have not helped - so I'm willing to trust a doc who

> claims he has helped a lot of women (good reputation) for a few months

> to see if he can make sense of my little mess of hormones.

> Kerry

>

>

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funny b/c conventional docs would tell you you don't need progesterone and

just put you on estrogen! Most women I know from internet love the

estrogen and some are on very very high doses with no ill effects.

Gracia

>I had my uterus removed but kept ovaries and cervix - the doc thinks the

> chances of me still ovulating are slim given the operation and years of

> CFS - I tend to agree although I still experience a monthly hormone

> cycle.

>

> At least he actually understands Oestrogen dominance - he uses

> progesterone to balance that. I just don't know yet what else he is

> prepared to use.

>

> I think the medical world is split about oestrogen - the old HRT all

> oestrogen side and the new progesterone side which tends to leave

> oestrogen out of the equation.

>

> He is doing red blood cells tests as opposed to plasma and I don't know

> what ones as yet.

>

> Thanks for responding - I appreciate the support.

> Kerry

>

> ps I would have pronounced Hertoghe as hair-togg as well

>

>

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So why would they prescribe oestrogen for oestrogen dominance? Is that

what you are saying Gracia - I don't really understand.

and what do you think about oestrogen dominance and how to treat it?

Kerry

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funny b/c conventional docs would tell you you don't need progesterone

and

just put you on estrogen! Most women I know from internet love the

estrogen and some are on very very high doses with no ill effects.

Gracia

>I had my uterus removed but kept ovaries and cervix - the doc thinks

the

> chances of me still ovulating are slim given the operation and years

of

> CFS - I tend to agree although I still experience a monthly hormone

> cycle.

>

> At least he actually understands Oestrogen dominance - he uses

> progesterone to balance that. I just don't know yet what else he is

> prepared to use.

>

> I think the medical world is split about oestrogen - the old HRT all

> oestrogen side and the new progesterone side which tends to leave

> oestrogen out of the equation.

>

> He is doing red blood cells tests as opposed to plasma and I don't

know

> what ones as yet.

>

> Thanks for responding - I appreciate the support.

> Kerry

>

> ps I would have pronounced Hertoghe as hair-togg as well

>

>

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I recommend taking Armour in the morning, chew it so it gets into blood

stream, do not try to take less!!!! The right sdose is important and too

little will be miserable.

It AMAZES me that docs know NOTHING about hormones. What a nightmare.

Gracia

> Estrogen dominance? How about being on Premarin for 20-some years? None of

> all these doctors, (I've lived in many places) ever mentioned anything

> about a thyroid problem. It is only now lately, (3-4 years ago) that my

> now doc here started testing for TSH. And then she prescribed Synthroid.

> After a couple of years the doctor at the Hotze clinic switched me to

> Armour.

>

> Right now I'm experimenting with taking my Armour in the evening, 2 hours

> after eating, under my tongue to dissolve, to see if more of it gets

> absorbed and utilized. Maybe I can lower the dose that way. I was on 90 mg

> of the generic thyroid, maybe 60 mg of Armour will be enough. I'll keep

> you posted.

>

>

>

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Gracia,

I think you may be misinformed about chewing the thyroid, unless you mean you

chew it and let it sit inside your cheeks for a couple of minutes to be absorbed

through the mucous membranes of the mouth. That is what gets the thyroid (or

anything else that you take this way) directly into the blood, it bypasses the

stomach, liver, kidney, etc. You could let it dissolve under your tongue or

inside your cheeks, whichever you think is most comfortable. Just don't swallow

it right away.If you swallow it, chewed or whole, it gets to the stomach, and

gets into the digestive system, and it's a long detour before only a percentage

of it actually reaches the blood stream. By bypassing the digestive system,

maybe one could get by with a smaller dose, since much more of it actually gets

utilized. It's just a thought.

My doctor had me on 90 mg. of the generic, which I used to swallow, and not

space it between meals. I was never told anything about that. Now that I have

listened to you guys and checked out all those websites, I'm back on real Armour

and take it the proper way. And taking it sublingually I feel that 60 mg is

plenty. I'm still experimenting. But I probably need all those other hormones

too, DHEA, HGH, bio-identical estrogen and progesterone, who knows...., better

go back and see the docs at the Hotze Clinic in Houston/Katy. Very far away,

(from Amarillo), and very expensive. And the worst part is that in a couple of

months I'm moving to Michigan, much, much farther away from Houston. I need to

find a doc like that there up north. Anybody have any suggestions?

Re: Synthroid alter Estrogen blood test

I recommend taking Armour in the morning, chew it so it gets into blood

stream, do not try to take less!!!! The right sdose is important and too

little will be miserable.

It AMAZES me that docs know NOTHING about hormones. What a nightmare.

Gracia

> Estrogen dominance? How about being on Premarin for 20-some years? None of

> all these doctors, (I've lived in many places) ever mentioned anything

> about a thyroid problem. It is only now lately, (3-4 years ago) that my

> now doc here started testing for TSH. And then she prescribed Synthroid.

> After a couple of years the doctor at the Hotze clinic switched me to

> Armour.

>

> Right now I'm experimenting with taking my Armour in the evening, 2 hours

> after eating, under my tongue to dissolve, to see if more of it gets

> absorbed and utilized. Maybe I can lower the dose that way. I was on 90 mg

> of the generic thyroid, maybe 60 mg of Armour will be enough. I'll keep

> you posted.

>

>

>

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Hi can anyone let me know of what kinds of things that are good to eat for low

thyroid and for the adreanals Thank you so much

and Mark <koplyn@...> wrote: Gracia,

I think you may be misinformed about chewing the thyroid, unless you mean you

chew it and let it sit inside your cheeks for a couple of minutes to be absorbed

through the mucous membranes of the mouth. That is what gets the thyroid (or

anything else that you take this way) directly into the blood, it bypasses the

stomach, liver, kidney, etc. You could let it dissolve under your tongue or

inside your cheeks, whichever you think is most comfortable. Just don't swallow

it right away.If you swallow it, chewed or whole, it gets to the stomach, and

gets into the digestive system, and it's a long detour before only a percentage

of it actually reaches the blood stream. By bypassing the digestive system,

maybe one could get by with a smaller dose, since much more of it actually gets

utilized. It's just a thought.

My doctor had me on 90 mg. of the generic, which I used to swallow, and not

space it between meals. I was never told anything about that. Now that I have

listened to you guys and checked out all those websites, I'm back on real Armour

and take it the proper way. And taking it sublingually I feel that 60 mg is

plenty. I'm still experimenting. But I probably need all those other hormones

too, DHEA, HGH, bio-identical estrogen and progesterone, who knows...., better

go back and see the docs at the Hotze Clinic in Houston/Katy. Very far away,

(from Amarillo), and very expensive. And the worst part is that in a couple of

months I'm moving to Michigan, much, much farther away from Houston. I need to

find a doc like that there up north. Anybody have any suggestions?

Re: Synthroid alter Estrogen blood test

I recommend taking Armour in the morning, chew it so it gets into blood

stream, do not try to take less!!!! The right sdose is important and too

little will be miserable.

It AMAZES me that docs know NOTHING about hormones. What a nightmare.

Gracia

> Estrogen dominance? How about being on Premarin for 20-some years? None of

> all these doctors, (I've lived in many places) ever mentioned anything

> about a thyroid problem. It is only now lately, (3-4 years ago) that my

> now doc here started testing for TSH. And then she prescribed Synthroid.

> After a couple of years the doctor at the Hotze clinic switched me to

> Armour.

>

> Right now I'm experimenting with taking my Armour in the evening, 2 hours

> after eating, under my tongue to dissolve, to see if more of it gets

> absorbed and utilized. Maybe I can lower the dose that way. I was on 90 mg

> of the generic thyroid, maybe 60 mg of Armour will be enough. I'll keep

> you posted.

>

>

>

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Michigan has a famous topdoc Brownstein MD. I chew Armour b/c it

dissolves fast and completely that way. Have always done it like that.

Gracia

> Gracia,

>

> I think you may be misinformed about chewing the thyroid, unless you mean

> you chew it and let it sit inside your cheeks for a couple of minutes to

> be absorbed through the mucous membranes of the mouth. That is what gets

> the thyroid (or anything else that you take this way) directly into the

> blood, it bypasses the stomach, liver, kidney, etc. You could let it

> dissolve under your tongue or inside your cheeks, whichever you think is

> most comfortable. Just don't swallow it right away.If you swallow it,

> chewed or whole, it gets to the stomach, and gets into the digestive

> system, and it's a long detour before only a percentage of it actually

> reaches the blood stream. By bypassing the digestive system, maybe one

> could get by with a smaller dose, since much more of it actually gets

> utilized. It's just a thought.

>

> My doctor had me on 90 mg. of the generic, which I used to swallow, and

> not space it between meals. I was never told anything about that. Now that

> I have listened to you guys and checked out all those websites, I'm back

> on real Armour and take it the proper way. And taking it sublingually I

> feel that 60 mg is plenty. I'm still experimenting. But I probably need

> all those other hormones too, DHEA, HGH, bio-identical estrogen and

> progesterone, who knows...., better go back and see the docs at the Hotze

> Clinic in Houston/Katy. Very far away, (from Amarillo), and very

> expensive. And the worst part is that in a couple of months I'm moving to

> Michigan, much, much farther away from Houston. I need to find a doc like

> that there up north. Anybody have any suggestions?

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,

There is a lot you can do. Here is my take on how to help you nutritionally

with your hypo and adrenal problems. It is much deeper than this, but this

should give you a big head start. The goal is to get the adrenals working

again, as well as letting your body realize that you are not in a “feast or

famine” state of mind. The main thing is to reduce the stress (chemical,

environmental, physical, mental,etc) in your life. This will give you

adrenals a break, your body a break so you can start to replish all your

functional and structural biochemicals that you lack. You can purchase an

Adrenal Support Tonic from www.herb-pharm.org <http://www.herb-pharm.org/>

as well and Adrenotrate (glandular) supplement from www.ultralifeinc.com

<http://www.ultralifeinc.com/> . Another important key is to eliminate all

sugars, carbs, etc, eat more quality protein, above ground veggies only (low

glycemic and won’t tax the adrenals, etc) and add lost of good fats (coconut

oil, xtra virgin olive oil, raw butter, etc) and Omega 3’s into your diet.

This will help as well balance your 3:6 raitio and reduce inflammation in

your body. Look into and research types of parasympathetic exercises (Qi

Gong, Tai Chi, meditation, etc) in order to cultivate energy allowing the

adrenals a chance to recharge and rest at the same time. NUTRITION AND

LIFESTYLE ARE THE KEYS TO ELIMINATING ADRENAL/THYROID RELATED ISSUES! Like I

said, this is not an end all be all. We are all different and some need

other principles and treatment tools. This is a great place to start though.

1. If it is white-----do not eat it! The four white devils are white

flour, white sugar, white salt (see #9) and pasteurization and

homogenization milk products. If you must use a dairy product and cannot

acquire raw dairy, choose Certified Organic as your second choice.

Additionally, those who are lactose sensitive should use full-fat cream,

which is very low in lactose and high in fat. Additionally, you can enjoy a

high quality yogurt, in which lactose is predigested.

2. Avoid any food made from any of the white devils!

3. If you can’t pronounce a word on a label-----do not eat it, your

liver won’t like it!

4. If it wasn’t here 10,000 years ago, don’t eat it!

5. Fruit juice is sugar water! Don’t drink it. Small quantities of

freshly squeezed juice may be ok as an occasional treat.

6. The longer the shelf life, the more harmful it is likely to be to

your body!

* If irradiated, don’t eat it!

* If pasteurized, it’s not good for you. Ultra-pasteurized is very

bad for you!

* Unless packaged in glass, the longer it’s been in the package, the

more toxic it will be! Plastics can leak what is called xenoestrogens, which

are harmful to the body. They can increase estrogen levels in females and

put there hormonal systems into a state of disarray.

7. Aside from good water, if you are eating a food that is

clear------disease grows near! For example, clear apple juice, clear honey

and clear hydrogenated oils are all garbage foods to be avoided.

8. Choose products and meets in this order:

* Certified Organic Produce and Free Range Meats

* Organic Produce and Organic Meat

* Locally Farmed Produce and Locally Farmed Free Ranged Meat

* Commercial Produce and Commercial Hormone Free Meat

* Commercial Meat

9. Always season foods and water with 100% unprocessed sea salt. The

best is Celtic, followed by sea salt from New Zealand because there is less

heavy metal toxicity there.

10. Drink ½ your body weight in pounds in ounces of water daily.

* For example, a 200 pound man needs to drink 100 oz.

* Nothing substitutes for water, not tea, not juice, not

beer….nothing!

* Always choose top selling brands such as Evian, Fiji, Trinity and

Volvic because they sell the fastest and therefore have the least exposure

to plastic bottles.

* Buy water in glass if possible.

* The most health-giving waters have a hardness factor of 170 mg/L

or greater and a Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) of 300 or greater.

* Adding a pinch of sea salt to water is recommended to replace

electrolytes. Additionally, it will harden otherwise good, but soft waters

and will significantly increase the TDS.

11. Follow the 80/20 Rule. If you live right 80% of the time, you can

absorb the other 20%.

12. Always eat right for your metabolic type.

13. Get to bed by 10 p.m. and sleep until 6 a.m. minimum.

* The body (physical) repairs itself from 10pm - 2pm

* The mind (spiritual and emotional) repairs itself from 2pm – 6am

Live Well,

Rubin

With Qi,

Rubin, OTR/L

EastWest Healing and Performance

" Helping people to help themselves! "

Holistic Exercise, Nutrition & Lifestyle Coach

760-277-0337

jr@...

www.eastwesthealing.com

You can only experience what you believe in.

- J. McMullin

Re: Synthroid alter Estrogen blood test

Hi can anyone let me know of what kinds of things that are good to eat for

low thyroid and for the adreanals Thank you so much

[Guest guest]

Josh, Thanks so much for the info. Helps alot. Thanks you Steph

Josh Rubin <josh@...> wrote: ,

There is a lot you can do. Here is my take on how to help you nutritionally

with your hypo and adrenal problems. It is much deeper than this, but this

should give you a big head start. The goal is to get the adrenals working

again, as well as letting your body realize that you are not in a “feast or

famine” state of mind. The main thing is to reduce the stress (chemical,

environmental, physical, mental,etc) in your life. This will give you

adrenals a break, your body a break so you can start to replish all your

functional and structural biochemicals that you lack. You can purchase an

Adrenal Support Tonic from www.herb-pharm.org <http://www.herb-pharm.org/>

as well and Adrenotrate (glandular) supplement from www.ultralifeinc.com

<http://www.ultralifeinc.com/> . Another important key is to eliminate all

sugars, carbs, etc, eat more quality protein, above ground veggies only (low

glycemic and won’t tax the adrenals, etc) and add lost of good fats (coconut

oil, xtra virgin olive oil, raw butter, etc) and Omega 3’s into your diet.

This will help as well balance your 3:6 raitio and reduce inflammation in

your body. Look into and research types of parasympathetic exercises (Qi

Gong, Tai Chi, meditation, etc) in order to cultivate energy allowing the

adrenals a chance to recharge and rest at the same time. NUTRITION AND

LIFESTYLE ARE THE KEYS TO ELIMINATING ADRENAL/THYROID RELATED ISSUES! Like I

said, this is not an end all be all. We are all different and some need

other principles and treatment tools. This is a great place to start though.

1. If it is white-----do not eat it! The four white devils are white

flour, white sugar, white salt (see #9) and pasteurization and

homogenization milk products. If you must use a dairy product and cannot

acquire raw dairy, choose Certified Organic as your second choice.

Additionally, those who are lactose sensitive should use full-fat cream,

which is very low in lactose and high in fat. Additionally, you can enjoy a

high quality yogurt, in which lactose is predigested.

2. Avoid any food made from any of the white devils!

3. If you can’t pronounce a word on a label-----do not eat it, your

liver won’t like it!

4. If it wasn’t here 10,000 years ago, don’t eat it!

5. Fruit juice is sugar water! Don’t drink it. Small quantities of

freshly squeezed juice may be ok as an occasional treat.

6. The longer the shelf life, the more harmful it is likely to be to

your body!

* If irradiated, don’t eat it!

* If pasteurized, it’s not good for you. Ultra-pasteurized is very

bad for you!

* Unless packaged in glass, the longer it’s been in the package, the

more toxic it will be! Plastics can leak what is called xenoestrogens, which

are harmful to the body. They can increase estrogen levels in females and

put there hormonal systems into a state of disarray.

7. Aside from good water, if you are eating a food that is

clear------disease grows near! For example, clear apple juice, clear honey

and clear hydrogenated oils are all garbage foods to be avoided.

8. Choose products and meets in this order:

* Certified Organic Produce and Free Range Meats

* Organic Produce and Organic Meat

* Locally Farmed Produce and Locally Farmed Free Ranged Meat

* Commercial Produce and Commercial Hormone Free Meat

* Commercial Meat

9. Always season foods and water with 100% unprocessed sea salt. The

best is Celtic, followed by sea salt from New Zealand because there is less

heavy metal toxicity there.

10. Drink ½ your body weight in pounds in ounces of water daily.

* For example, a 200 pound man needs to drink 100 oz.

* Nothing substitutes for water, not tea, not juice, not

beer….nothing!

* Always choose top selling brands such as Evian, Fiji, Trinity and

Volvic because they sell the fastest and therefore have the least exposure

to plastic bottles.

* Buy water in glass if possible.

* The most health-giving waters have a hardness factor of 170 mg/L

or greater and a Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) of 300 or greater.

* Adding a pinch of sea salt to water is recommended to replace

electrolytes. Additionally, it will harden otherwise good, but soft waters

and will significantly increase the TDS.

11. Follow the 80/20 Rule. If you live right 80% of the time, you can

absorb the other 20%.

12. Always eat right for your metabolic type.

13. Get to bed by 10 p.m. and sleep until 6 a.m. minimum.

* The body (physical) repairs itself from 10pm - 2pm

* The mind (spiritual and emotional) repairs itself from 2pm – 6am

Live Well,

Rubin

With Qi,

Rubin, OTR/L

EastWest Healing and Performance

" Helping people to help themselves! "

Holistic Exercise, Nutrition & Lifestyle Coach

760-277-0337

jr@...

www.eastwesthealing.com

You can only experience what you believe in.

- J. McMullin

Re: Synthroid alter Estrogen blood test

Hi can anyone let me know of what kinds of things that are good to eat for

low thyroid and for the adreanals Thank you so much

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I think Josh covered quite a lot in his post - re the stress reduction

and diet I would agree with all that.

I also take supplements to support my thyroid - iodine and selenium in

particular.

Apart from avoiding the so called " goitrogenic " foods - like cabbage,

cauliflower and broccoli soy and and being careful with Fluoride in

water and Tea - I don't think there is a diet that is good for thyroid

apart from finding the best diet for you. It is good to minimise carbs

as we seem to put on more weight on high carb diets. I personally use a

balanced diet with some whole grain carbohydrates and as much protein as

I can manage - I don't like animal protein so this can be hard for me

but I think I do OK.

For the adrenals I have just found that it comes down to me accepting

that I need rest and that I have limits. The adrenals are very smart and

can't be fooled - In my opinion they won't come back to life until they

know they can trust you to not abuse them! Sounds funny I know but that

is just how I feel it - and thank goodness - I am finally learning my

lesson and taking life at a better pace with a more peaceful approach.

regards,

Kerry

Re: Synthroid alter Estrogen blood test

Hi can anyone let me know of what kinds of things that are good to eat

for low thyroid and for the adreanals Thank you so much

and Mark <koplyn@...> wrote: Gracia,

I think you may be misinformed about chewing the thyroid, unless you

mean you chew it and let it sit inside your cheeks for a couple of

minutes to be absorbed through the mucous membranes of the mouth. That

is what gets the thyroid (or anything else that you take this way)

directly into the blood, it bypasses the stomach, liver, kidney, etc.

You could let it dissolve under your tongue or inside your cheeks,

whichever you think is most comfortable. Just don't swallow it right

away.If you swallow it, chewed or whole, it gets to the stomach, and

gets into the digestive system, and it's a long detour before only a

percentage of it actually reaches the blood stream. By bypassing the

digestive system, maybe one could get by with a smaller dose, since much

more of it actually gets utilized. It's just a thought.

My doctor had me on 90 mg. of the generic, which I used to swallow, and

not space it between meals. I was never told anything about that. Now

that I have listened to you guys and checked out all those websites, I'm

back on real Armour and take it the proper way. And taking it

sublingually I feel that 60 mg is plenty. I'm still experimenting. But I

probably need all those other hormones too, DHEA, HGH, bio-identical

estrogen and progesterone, who knows...., better go back and see the

docs at the Hotze Clinic in Houston/Katy. Very far away, (from

Amarillo), and very expensive. And the worst part is that in a couple of

months I'm moving to Michigan, much, much farther away from Houston. I

need to find a doc like that there up north. Anybody have any

suggestions?

Re: Synthroid alter Estrogen blood test

I recommend taking Armour in the morning, chew it so it gets into

blood

stream, do not try to take less!!!! The right sdose is important and

too

little will be miserable.

It AMAZES me that docs know NOTHING about hormones. What a nightmare.

Gracia

> Estrogen dominance? How about being on Premarin for 20-some years?

None of

> all these doctors, (I've lived in many places) ever mentioned

anything

> about a thyroid problem. It is only now lately, (3-4 years ago) that

my

> now doc here started testing for TSH. And then she prescribed

Synthroid.

> After a couple of years the doctor at the Hotze clinic switched me

to

> Armour.

>

> Right now I'm experimenting with taking my Armour in the evening, 2

hours

> after eating, under my tongue to dissolve, to see if more of it gets

> absorbed and utilized. Maybe I can lower the dose that way. I was on

90 mg

> of the generic thyroid, maybe 60 mg of Armour will be enough. I'll

keep

> you posted.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Kerry,thank you for your input!

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote: Hi ,

I think Josh covered quite a lot in his post - re the stress reduction

and diet I would agree with all that.

I also take supplements to support my thyroid - iodine and selenium in

particular.

Apart from avoiding the so called " goitrogenic " foods - like cabbage,

cauliflower and broccoli soy and and being careful with Fluoride in

water and Tea - I don't think there is a diet that is good for thyroid

apart from finding the best diet for you. It is good to minimise carbs

as we seem to put on more weight on high carb diets. I personally use a

balanced diet with some whole grain carbohydrates and as much protein as

I can manage - I don't like animal protein so this can be hard for me

but I think I do OK.

For the adrenals I have just found that it comes down to me accepting

that I need rest and that I have limits. The adrenals are very smart and

can't be fooled - In my opinion they won't come back to life until they

know they can trust you to not abuse them! Sounds funny I know but that

is just how I feel it - and thank goodness - I am finally learning my

lesson and taking life at a better pace with a more peaceful approach.

regards,

Kerry

Re: Synthroid alter Estrogen blood test

Hi can anyone let me know of what kinds of things that are good to eat

for low thyroid and for the adreanals Thank you so much

and Mark <koplyn@...> wrote: Gracia,

I think you may be misinformed about chewing the thyroid, unless you

mean you chew it and let it sit inside your cheeks for a couple of

minutes to be absorbed through the mucous membranes of the mouth. That

is what gets the thyroid (or anything else that you take this way)

directly into the blood, it bypasses the stomach, liver, kidney, etc.

You could let it dissolve under your tongue or inside your cheeks,

whichever you think is most comfortable. Just don't swallow it right

away.If you swallow it, chewed or whole, it gets to the stomach, and

gets into the digestive system, and it's a long detour before only a

percentage of it actually reaches the blood stream. By bypassing the

digestive system, maybe one could get by with a smaller dose, since much

more of it actually gets utilized. It's just a thought.

My doctor had me on 90 mg. of the generic, which I used to swallow, and

not space it between meals. I was never told anything about that. Now

that I have listened to you guys and checked out all those websites, I'm

back on real Armour and take it the proper way. And taking it

sublingually I feel that 60 mg is plenty. I'm still experimenting. But I

probably need all those other hormones too, DHEA, HGH, bio-identical

estrogen and progesterone, who knows...., better go back and see the

docs at the Hotze Clinic in Houston/Katy. Very far away, (from

Amarillo), and very expensive. And the worst part is that in a couple of

months I'm moving to Michigan, much, much farther away from Houston. I

need to find a doc like that there up north. Anybody have any

suggestions?

Re: Synthroid alter Estrogen blood test

I recommend taking Armour in the morning, chew it so it gets into

blood

stream, do not try to take less!!!! The right sdose is important and

too

little will be miserable.

It AMAZES me that docs know NOTHING about hormones. What a nightmare.

Gracia

> Estrogen dominance? How about being on Premarin for 20-some years?

None of

> all these doctors, (I've lived in many places) ever mentioned

anything

> about a thyroid problem. It is only now lately, (3-4 years ago) that

my

> now doc here started testing for TSH. And then she prescribed

Synthroid.

> After a couple of years the doctor at the Hotze clinic switched me

to

> Armour.

>

> Right now I'm experimenting with taking my Armour in the evening, 2

hours

> after eating, under my tongue to dissolve, to see if more of it gets

> absorbed and utilized. Maybe I can lower the dose that way. I was on

90 mg

> of the generic thyroid, maybe 60 mg of Armour will be enough. I'll

keep

> you posted.

>

>

>

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