Re: I have been diagnoised for past two years with hypothyroidism

August 17, 2003

My daughter has been following the Zone diet since she could not

control her weight--they also have a support group. tina

-- In hypothyroidism , " gerspell " <gerspell@y...>

wrote:

> I am currently on 50 mg of Synthroid for my low thyroid. I was on

> Levoyxl but asked to be put on synthroid. I cant lose weight does

> any one haved any useful tips on how I can diet and lose weight?

August 18, 2003

the only thing that helped me was vigorous exercise at least 4 times a week

and an additional 2 times thats not as vigorous. Try changing something

that your body is used to. If you always eat cereal for breakfast, have

something completely different a few days a week. I think our bodies get in

a rhythm and we need to change it up a bit. That also goes for exercise.

At least once a week, I try to do a completely different workout. Good

luck,

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Subject: I have been diagnoised for past two years with

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 02:46:41 -0000

I am currently on 50 mg of Synthroid for my low thyroid. I was on

Levoyxl but asked to be put on synthroid. I cant lose weight does

any one haved any useful tips on how I can diet and lose weight?

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August 18, 2003

Well, I've been lurking but just had to reply to this. The Atkins diet

is NOT, I repeat, NOT " just meat and fat " and if your dietician said it

was, she simply does not know what she's talking about, and I wouldn't

trust her to teach me anything! She needs to read the book. As for not

being healthy, she's obviously not up to date on that, either. Many

studies are showing that notion to be erroneous, as well. She should do

some research. Maybe she'd like to tell my improved lipids, and my

weight loss since being on Atkins for over a year, despite being

hypthyroid, that it's not healthy. This ignorance by a dietician is

appalling, but not surprizing, since they've been teaching that low fat

idiocy for so long and now find it's full of holes. They just don't want

to admit they've been wrong all these years.

I do agree that life styly changes are important, and that's why I'm

Barbara, Atkins for Life

G. Santee wrote:

>Well--here is a trick I just learned from my dietitian

>watch your carborhydrates and salt levels ---

>I couldn't lose weight either(252pounds)-and was just

>diagnosed with diabetes and now have to watch my

>carbs-- I have lost 7 pounds in one week! I feel like

>a new person too.... How do you count carbs-- 15 carbs

>is one starch-( you are able to have 5 carbs for

>breakfast on a 1800 calorie diet.) The dietitian said

>eat anything I want just make sure my carbs and my

>sodium are no more then 3000 grams for sodium and

>carbs 300 for a whole day....you know I thought that

>that was not much food--its ALOT......if you eat the

>right ones. This is not the same thing as the atkins

>diet.. atkins diet is not healthy in the long run--no

>body can eat just meat and fat and be healthy is what

>my dietian said. Life style changes are a must for

>hypothyroid patients and diabetics....don't change

>overnight just change somethings gradually to increase

>your chances of succeeding......and becoming healthy!

>I now park the car at work in the back of the parking

>lot.....when I go shopping those spots that are open

>in the parking lot---has my name on it. (I walked an

>extra 5000 steps a day 1.5 miles.)

>

August 18, 2003

Hi, Gillian. The best thing to do is to get the book, Doctor Atkins' New

Diet Revolution. Your library probably has it, but I think it's best to

have your own copy for reference purposes. In it, he outlines the plan

very specifically and explains how/why it works. Basically, you avoid

sugar in any form. There are no essential carbohydrates, but there are

essential proteins and essential fats--essential for proper cell

formation. This is a LOW carb diet, not a NO carb diet as is often

mistakenly thought by those who don't know. Also, go to atkins.com for

LOTS of information. There are several Atkins groups on G as well.

Atkins is one of the strictest plans, as far as how many grams of carbs

you should eat each day (waaaaaaaaaay fewer than 300, BTW), but IMO it's

the easiest to learn. Look into all of them and decide which one suits

you best. While getting to your ideal weight is important, the best part

of low carb eating is that it's a healthy way of eating. We don't call

it a diet--it's a way of eating or way of life. Good health is the goal.

HTH,

Barbara, Atkins for Life

Gerald Speller wrote:

>Many thanks for the help. Could you try and help me

>do a diet plan? I am hopeless when I try to figure

>out a regine. Many thanks Gillian......I only need to

>lose 20 lbs but it feels like one hundred......thanks

>

August 18, 2003

http://www.zonediet.com/

The zone is very much like the high protein diet but it allows more

carbs, it's more a balanced diet for life allowing you to eat more

fruits, vegetables along with your protein and fats. It's follows the

same no sugar, but stresses proteins like the high protein diet but

not as much. Your meal is more balanced between protein, carbs and

fats.

Where as in the beginning of the high protein you eat only protein

and fats, so your body goes into ketosis, where it begins to digest

(uses your fats for energy instead of sugar and carbs). After being

on high protein a few months or when you achieved your weight loss

you can add more carbs into your diet such as berries and some fruit.

High protein diets do allow vegetables and salads too. It is a very

good diet if you follow it correctly, making sure you drink enough

water though, you can get kidney stones from too much protein if you

don't drink enough water (hubby did).

Both these diets are very good for people who have sugar problems

since sugar is not allowed. Sugar is in many things such as fruit,

juice, sweets and carbs revert into sugar when digested. Which is why

carbs are not allowed in large amounts on these diets. Eating sugar

or carbs is the worst thing because you will not digest the excess

fat in your body only add more to it.

Your cholesterol, Lipids will only go up if you cheat on these diets.

They can drastically reduce if you follow the diet books, especially

with the protein diet. But you really need to read both books and go

to your doctor and make sure you are in good health to start any

diet.

Totally taking out all salt can cause loss of electrolytes, besides

if you are hypo you might need the iodine found in salt, so I would

never take out all salts just reduce it if you have a problem with

it.

The protein diet is great if you have a lot of weight to lose because

it a diet that you can lose the weight fast anywhere from 2-6 pounds

a week and you will not feel hungry when you are on it. But you can't

cheat, no bread, pasta, sugar, candy, junk food of any kind---you eat

meat, eggs, cheese, poultry, fish, and some vegetables only in the

beginning of this diet. After being on awhile you can add some carbs

such as some fruits and more different types of vegetables. An

example of a high protein diet is eggs for breakfast with bacon,

lunch would be tuna on salad with ranch dressing (only high fat

dressing allowed with no sugar, 1-2 carbs allowed. In between one of

the snacks that is allowed is pork rinds, or cheese and dinner would

be chicken or steak with bernasie sause and a vegetable or another

salad. The more you stick to high protein the faster weight you can

lose.

The people who do the Zone will say it's more balanced for life, but

the High protein too is almost identical, but just starts out a bit

more dramatic with less carbs. My husband lost 50 pounds 9 years ago

and never put it back on with the high protein diet, but just had

kidney stones, too much protein and not enough water for him.

After being on both whenever I needed to lose some weight I would say

the best diet is one that is lower in fats (poultry, pork and fish)--

all vegetables and some fruits. It's very hard to not eat fruit for

me. I miss it too much. But once you have done the high protein diet

you will see it's easy to give up sugar and that is the best thing

for everyone. Complex fibers such as whole wheat and grains are very

good for you as well, so it's difficult to totally not use them in

your diet for life. The best diet is a balanced one, proteins, fats,

and carbs---exercise and not over eating!!

But lets face it ---getting that jump start on the high protein diet

and watching the weight drop as well as your lipids is a great

incentive and that is where these diets really perform. Only problem

is staying on them!!!! and not cheating!!!! this is just all my

opinion----I have even written a small cookbook on high protein diets-

--just for myself though. I've kept all my recipes over the years.

Whatever you do, read the books, go see your doctor first to decide

what diet is best for your body!!! Especially if your health has

compromised issues. Such as, a diabetic does very well on the high

protein but they have to change their insulin levels while on it.

(mother-in-law has this problem.)

I do love the high protein diets, it's easy to do once you master it,

but any diet; any kind of restiction has side effects. And you have

to be aware of them before you begin--so do your homework and see a

doctor first!!!! this is the best advice I can give anyone.

tina

In hypothyroidism , Gerald Speller <gerspell@y...>

wrote:

> Pleas explian what a ZONE DIET IS? many thanks

> Gillian

August 18, 2003

AGREED

Gracia

This ignorance by a dietician is

> appalling, but not surprizing, since they've been teaching that low fat

> idiocy for so long and now find it's full of holes. They just don't want

> to admit they've been wrong all these years.

>

> I do agree that life styly changes are important, and that's why I'm

> Barbara, Atkins for Life

>

August 18, 2003

Please allow me to nit-pick. They are NOT " high protein " diets. They are

low carb diets. There's a world of difference. And again, you do not eat

" only proteins and fats " even at the beginning; you also eat vegetables.

Barbara, Atkins for Life

tina83862 wrote:

>http://www.zonediet.com/

>

>The zone is very much like the high protein diet but it allows more

>carbs, it's more a balanced diet for life allowing you to eat more

>fruits, vegetables along with your protein and fats. It's follows the

>same no sugar, but stresses proteins like the high protein diet but

>not as much. Your meal is more balanced between protein, carbs and

>fats.

>

>Where as in the beginning of the high protein you eat only protein

>and fats, so your body goes into ketosis, where it begins to digest

>(uses your fats for energy instead of sugar and carbs). After being

>on high protein a few months or when you achieved your weight loss

>you can add more carbs into your diet such as berries and some fruit.

>High protein diets do allow vegetables and salads too. It is a very

>good diet if you follow it correctly, making sure you drink enough

>water though, you can get kidney stones from too much protein if you

>don't drink enough water (hubby did).

>

>Both these diets are very good for people who have sugar problems

>since sugar is not allowed. Sugar is in many things such as fruit,

>juice, sweets and carbs revert into sugar when digested. Which is why

>carbs are not allowed in large amounts on these diets. Eating sugar

>or carbs is the worst thing because you will not digest the excess

>fat in your body only add more to it.

>

>Your cholesterol, Lipids will only go up if you cheat on these diets.

>They can drastically reduce if you follow the diet books, especially

>with the protein diet. But you really need to read both books and go

>to your doctor and make sure you are in good health to start any

>diet.

>

>Totally taking out all salt can cause loss of electrolytes, besides

>if you are hypo you might need the iodine found in salt, so I would

>never take out all salts just reduce it if you have a problem with

>it.

>

>The protein diet is great if you have a lot of weight to lose because

>it a diet that you can lose the weight fast anywhere from 2-6 pounds

>a week and you will not feel hungry when you are on it. But you can't

>cheat, no bread, pasta, sugar, candy, junk food of any kind---you eat

>meat, eggs, cheese, poultry, fish, and some vegetables only in the

>beginning of this diet. After being on awhile you can add some carbs

>such as some fruits and more different types of vegetables. An

>example of a high protein diet is eggs for breakfast with bacon,

>lunch would be tuna on salad with ranch dressing (only high fat

>dressing allowed with no sugar, 1-2 carbs allowed. In between one of

>the snacks that is allowed is pork rinds, or cheese and dinner would

>be chicken or steak with bernasie sause and a vegetable or another

>salad. The more you stick to high protein the faster weight you can

>lose.

>

>The people who do the Zone will say it's more balanced for life, but

>the High protein too is almost identical, but just starts out a bit

>more dramatic with less carbs. My husband lost 50 pounds 9 years ago

>and never put it back on with the high protein diet, but just had

>kidney stones, too much protein and not enough water for him.

>

>After being on both whenever I needed to lose some weight I would say

>the best diet is one that is lower in fats (poultry, pork and fish)--

>all vegetables and some fruits. It's very hard to not eat fruit for

>me. I miss it too much. But once you have done the high protein diet

>you will see it's easy to give up sugar and that is the best thing

>for everyone. Complex fibers such as whole wheat and grains are very

>good for you as well, so it's difficult to totally not use them in

>your diet for life. The best diet is a balanced one, proteins, fats,

>and carbs---exercise and not over eating!!

>But lets face it ---getting that jump start on the high protein diet

>and watching the weight drop as well as your lipids is a great

>incentive and that is where these diets really perform. Only problem

>is staying on them!!!! and not cheating!!!! this is just all my

>opinion----I have even written a small cookbook on high protein diets-

>--just for myself though. I've kept all my recipes over the years.

>

>Whatever you do, read the books, go see your doctor first to decide

>what diet is best for your body!!! Especially if your health has

>compromised issues. Such as, a diabetic does very well on the high

>protein but they have to change their insulin levels while on it.

>(mother-in-law has this problem.)

>

>I do love the high protein diets, it's easy to do once you master it,

>but any diet; any kind of restiction has side effects. And you have

>to be aware of them before you begin--so do your homework and see a

>doctor first!!!! this is the best advice I can give anyone.

>

August 18, 2003

Get a med with T3 in it. http:www.armourthyroid.com

Gracia

> I am currently on 50 mg of Synthroid for my low thyroid. I was on

> Levoyxl but asked to be put on synthroid. I cant lose weight does

> any one haved any useful tips on how I can diet and lose weight?

>

August 18, 2003

Could not use correct name for diet as they are trademarked, you have

to be careful here.

" High protein diets do allow vegetables and salads too "

>

> >http://www.zonediet.com/

> >

> >The zone is very much like the high protein diet but it allows

more

> >carbs, it's more a balanced diet for life allowing you to eat more

> >fruits, vegetables along with your protein and fats. It's follows

the

> >same no sugar, but stresses proteins like the high protein diet

but

> >not as much. Your meal is more balanced between protein, carbs and

> >fats.

> >

> >Where as in the beginning of the high protein you eat only protein

> >and fats, so your body goes into ketosis, where it begins to

digest

> >(uses your fats for energy instead of sugar and carbs). After

being

> >on high protein a few months or when you achieved your weight loss

> >you can add more carbs into your diet such as berries and some

fruit.

> >High protein diets do allow vegetables and salads too. It is a

very

> >good diet if you follow it correctly, making sure you drink enough

> >water though, you can get kidney stones from too much protein if

you

> >don't drink enough water (hubby did).

> >

> >Both these diets are very good for people who have sugar problems

> >since sugar is not allowed. Sugar is in many things such as

fruit,

> >juice, sweets and carbs revert into sugar when digested. Which is

why

> >carbs are not allowed in large amounts on these diets. Eating

sugar

> >or carbs is the worst thing because you will not digest the excess

> >fat in your body only add more to it.

> >

> >Your cholesterol, Lipids will only go up if you cheat on these

diets.

> >They can drastically reduce if you follow the diet books,

especially

> >with the protein diet. But you really need to read both books and

go

> >to your doctor and make sure you are in good health to start any

> >diet.

> >

> >Totally taking out all salt can cause loss of electrolytes,

besides

> >if you are hypo you might need the iodine found in salt, so I

would

> >never take out all salts just reduce it if you have a problem with

> >it.

> >

> >The protein diet is great if you have a lot of weight to lose

because

> >it a diet that you can lose the weight fast anywhere from 2-6

pounds

> >a week and you will not feel hungry when you are on it. But you

can't

> >cheat, no bread, pasta, sugar, candy, junk food of any kind---you

eat

> >meat, eggs, cheese, poultry, fish, and some vegetables only in the

> >beginning of this diet. After being on awhile you can add some

carbs

> >such as some fruits and more different types of vegetables. An

> >example of a high protein diet is eggs for breakfast with bacon,

> >lunch would be tuna on salad with ranch dressing (only high fat

> >dressing allowed with no sugar, 1-2 carbs allowed. In between one

of

> >the snacks that is allowed is pork rinds, or cheese and dinner

would

> >be chicken or steak with bernasie sause and a vegetable or another

> >salad. The more you stick to high protein the faster weight you

can

> >lose.

> >

> >The people who do the Zone will say it's more balanced for life,

but

> >the High protein too is almost identical, but just starts out a

bit

> >more dramatic with less carbs. My husband lost 50 pounds 9 years

ago

> >and never put it back on with the high protein diet, but just had

> >kidney stones, too much protein and not enough water for him.

> >

> >After being on both whenever I needed to lose some weight I would

say

> >the best diet is one that is lower in fats (poultry, pork and

fish)--

> >all vegetables and some fruits. It's very hard to not eat fruit

for

> >me. I miss it too much. But once you have done the high protein

diet

> >you will see it's easy to give up sugar and that is the best thing

> >for everyone. Complex fibers such as whole wheat and grains are

very

> >good for you as well, so it's difficult to totally not use them in

> >your diet for life. The best diet is a balanced one, proteins,

fats,

> >and carbs---exercise and not over eating!!

> >But lets face it ---getting that jump start on the high protein

diet

> >and watching the weight drop as well as your lipids is a great

> >incentive and that is where these diets really perform. Only

problem

> >is staying on them!!!! and not cheating!!!! this is just all my

> >opinion----I have even written a small cookbook on high protein

diets-

> >--just for myself though. I've kept all my recipes over the years.

> >

> >Whatever you do, read the books, go see your doctor first to

decide

> >what diet is best for your body!!! Especially if your health has

> >compromised issues. Such as, a diabetic does very well on the high

> >protein but they have to change their insulin levels while on it.

> >(mother-in-law has this problem.)

> >

> >I do love the high protein diets, it's easy to do once you master

it,

> >but any diet; any kind of restiction has side effects. And you

have

> >to be aware of them before you begin--so do your homework and see

a

> >doctor first!!!! this is the best advice I can give anyone.

> >

August 18, 2003

, could you get the information from her on which she bases the

assertion that " many of the atkins patients later develop heart

problems " ? I would love to see the research.

Barbara, Atkins for Life

G. Santee wrote:

>What I mentioned this morning about the dietician--

>she was personalizing MY PLAN--- Atkins is not a good

>choice for those diabetics----and hypothyroid because

>we are at a larger increase at getting heart disease.

>She explained to me about how many of the atkins

>patients later develop heart problems

>

August 18, 2003

Hmmmm, I don't think referring to a specific plan is trademark

infringement. Nor is calling a low carb plan of any type " low carb "

incorrect. And while I don't mean to be argumentative, you did say,

" Where as in the beginning of the high protein you eat only protein and

fats " and it's simply not true. I'd hate to have people put off of these

wonderful plans by seeing that and thinking it was true

Barbara, Atkins for Life

tina83862 wrote:

>Could not use correct name for diet as they are trademarked, you have

>to be careful here.

>

> " High protein diets do allow vegetables and salads too "

>

August 18, 2003

meanwhile, my blood sugar levels became much more stable with adrenal

hormones (cortisol, DHEA, progesterone) and Armour.

Gracia

> Hmmmm, I don't think referring to a specific plan is trademark

> infringement. Nor is calling a low carb plan of any type " low carb "

> incorrect. And while I don't mean to be argumentative, you did say,

> " Where as in the beginning of the high protein you eat only protein and

> fats " and it's simply not true. I'd hate to have people put off of these

> wonderful plans by seeing that and thinking it was true

>

> Barbara, Atkins for Life

>

> tina83862 wrote:

>

> >Could not use correct name for diet as they are trademarked, you have

> >to be careful here.

> >

> > " High protein diets do allow vegetables and salads too "

> >

>

August 18, 2003

Well, yes, that's all the research I've been able to find, too, Gracia.

That's why I want to see any studies that prove otherwise. I do like to

stay informed, and the only way to do that is to look at all of the

evidence.

Barbara, Atkins for Life

Gracia wrote:

>All the research I have heard about showed a reduction in heart disease risk

>factors on Atkins diet, much to the chagrin of conventional medicine. I

>think there is a group that just believes butter and fat causes heart

>disease, no mattter what. I recently saw a nutritionist on TV talking about

>different popular diets, and he looked positively awful, so thin and

>horrible pallor.

>

August 18, 2003

All the research I have heard about showed a reduction in heart disease risk

factors on Atkins diet, much to the chagrin of conventional medicine. I

think there is a group that just believes butter and fat causes heart

disease, no mattter what. I recently saw a nutritionist on TV talking about

different popular diets, and he looked positively awful, so thin and

horrible pallor.

Gracia

> , could you get the information from her on which she bases the

> assertion that " many of the atkins patients later develop heart

> problems " ? I would love to see the research.

>

> Barbara, Atkins for Life

>

> G. Santee wrote:

>

> >What I mentioned this morning about the dietician--

> >she was personalizing MY PLAN--- Atkins is not a good

> >choice for those diabetics----and hypothyroid because

> >we are at a larger increase at getting heart disease.

> >She explained to me about how many of the atkins

> >patients later develop heart problems

> >

>

August 18, 2003

Tina,

You wrote:

>... Your cholesterol, Lipids will only go up if you cheat on these diets. ...

>

This is not accurate. The recent studies show that although most people

on restricted carbs will actually lower blood lipids, an effect known to

be associated with any weight loss, about a third of the population will

eventually have increases in LDL, HDL, and triglycerides. The especially

bad news is that the LDL tends to increase faster, producing a

potentially unhealthy ratio.

I am one of the unlucky third. Although I lost 40 pounds in a year on

Atkins, my total cholesterol and especially LDL steadily increased. From

what I have read, this may very well be related to hypothyroidism. It

may simply be a genetic effect.

Also, I am not sure what you mean by cheating. All of those diets start

with a severe induction period followed by a " maintenance " stage that

includes some carbohydrates. As long as weight continues to decrease,

you are theoretically within bounds. I was still losing weight as my LDL

climbed. So, now I am avoiding saturated fats, which Atkins says are

just fine, and doing all the cholesterol lowering tricks, high fiber,

niacin, omega-3's, and Lipitor. We'll see if any of this has any benefit.

I'm still avoiding soy products, for the moment, because of all the bad

press it gets in the hypothyroid literature. That may be a moot point,

though, if Synthroid is replacing my thyroid's output 100%. Then, the

cholesterol benefits of soy may be worth it.

Another common misconception about carbohydrate restricted diets is that

ketosis is desireable. Actually, that is what all the drinking water is

designed to prevent. If you have enough ketones in your urine to darken

a " Keto-Stick " indicator, you are not drinking enough water. Thus, if

you are following the recommendations correctly, you should not have any

of the risk associated with ketone acidosis, something which is often

cited in criticisms of these diets.

Regards,

Chuck Blatchley

August 18, 2003

Hi Chuck,

you may want to read about Hawthorne berry. My X was given it by his

Acupuncturist for high cholesterol & it worked very well for him.

*Hawthorne Berries contain powerful antioxidants and natural bioflavonoids that

support the health of the entire cardiovascular system. This herb can actually

help regulate both high and low blood pressure, in addition to slowly breaking

down cholesterol and fat deposits in the body.*

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