Why not increase the dosage? - Tina

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I completely disagree. It is far better to be healthy on the right meds

than sick on none or too little. Don't worry about myths of natural hormone

production. Worry about getting well instead of being the walking wounded.

The real problem here is just poor medical care, thanks to TSH and

$ynthroid.

Gracia

But the reason why doctors are reluctant in increasing the dosage on

patients is because they will feel great for sometime before they feel bad

again. Not to mention that you can potentially shut down your Thyroid

natural production but taking higher dosage than you really need.

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[Guest guest]

????? I can't really figure out what you are saying!! You think we take

" excess " amounts of hormones for what purpose???? B/C we are naughty

silly little patients? LOL No I don't think it's well established that

you will " shut down " your thyroid gland, although most people have

hashimotos which is doing the job pretty well enough. If you take " excess "

amounts of hormones you will feel bad however. I am very glad you are

sympatico with Chuck. I think you might have missed the point I was trying

to make.

Gracia

Maybe you can clarify what part of his post you disagree with? Isn't it

well established that you can harm or shut down your thyroid [or your

adrenals too] by taking excess replacement hormones? Do you disagree

with that?

And exactly to what do you refer by the phrase " myths of natural

hormone production " ? Perhaps you disagree that natural harmone

production can be harmed [or destroyed] if we take too much synthetic

replacement?

Almost if not all medications are poisions if taken in the wrong

dosages; as are a great deal of other items [water, for example].

FWIW I've never seen Chuck make a statement that did not seem well

reasoned; and factually supported to the limits of my ability to

ascertain same. Admitedly, my limits are not too high! [ggg]

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[Guest guest]

,

I am lucky in that it seemed to me pretty definitive that I had

Hashimoto's, as being the most common form (as it is in dogs too).

Much of what I know, is gleaned from canine AIT. I am willing to bet

that human thyroids will regain whatever function they had when

medication began, if you take away that medication--as it is in dogs.

I suspect (but do not know) that adrenals may be different. But that

is because I have read it in articles by respected doctors. I am led

to believe that adrenal fatigue is usually secondary to the primary

thyroid problem. Therefore it makes sense to me that you suppress the

dying thyroid, but help, or top up, the secondary adrenal

insufficency if necessary, such that the adrenals are again able to

fulfil their function. From what I understand, it is unneccesary and

counter-ptoductive to override adrenal function in most cases. I do

not know from my experience whether it would be possible to for the

adrenals to regain function after having been suppressed.

Gail

> Hi, Gail. Based upon what you, Chuck, and Gracia have said I

suspect

> that my concern of thyroid damage or destruction due to excess

> supplements is misplaced; and that my implication was wrong [see my

> previous apology to Gracia and the list]. I believe that the

adrenals

> can suffer such a result, and there is some [probably erroneous]

info

> that says the same for the thyroid.

>

> I fully agree that while tests are important the interpretation of

them

> is even more so. Knowing when to ignore or go outside of " normal "

> ranges is possible only by a very skilled doctor; and it appears

that

> you have that same knowledge in at least your specific experiences.

>

> I personally would be afraid to overmedicate for my indicated

> hypothyroidism partially because my symptoms are in conflict; and

some

> indicate hyper rather than hypo. I already have a heart rate too

high,

> for example.

>

> I'm glad you have your personal situation well in hand; I wish I

had

> mine the same. Unfortunately I'm still in the struggling or

learning

> stage; and there's quite a bit of inaccurate data out there.

hopefully

> I will not contribute more in the future! [ggg]

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

well Hertoghe is an endo you know! I thought he gave some good testing

places in the book, including my favorite AAL lab. I wouldn't mind tests,

IF they were accurate and docs understood how to interpret them and also

gave much more credence to symptoms. I would show up at a doc's office b/c

of infertility, puffy face, extremely brain fogged, slow speech etc, having

had a partial thyroidectomy, but a TSH of 1 something, and be told that I

didn't have a thyroid problem. Ummmmmmm are they stupid? I work with a

mentally retarded man---has every symptom of congenital hypothyroidism and

also 's, but he has never been treated, b/c tests are " normal " .

Are they stupid???

Gracia

I'll try to answer; see responses within the message. BTW, I have Dr.

Hertoghe's book and it seems to have a wealth of information; thanks for

recommending it. One thing confusing is that my impression is that you

seem to have a great disdain for tests, while Dr. Hertoghe makes dozens

or hundreds of positive references to using tests. I thought you

respected him a great deal...

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[Guest guest]

I have a couple of lists of things that poison dogs--plants as well as

chocolate, raisins, and a few other things. Cheese is too expensive so

my lot only get little bits occasionally. I hope your RR is doing well

on his thyroid medication nowadays?

Gail

>

> You also should not give them chocolate and very limited cheese,

unless you want

> trouble.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hey, Chuck; is there a message in here somewhere that I missed?

Message: 8

Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:24:27 -0500 (CDT)

From: Blatchley <cblatchl@...>

Subject: Re: Why not increase the dosage? - Tina

>> Hi, PITA, er, I mean Chuck! [ggg] We have two each dogs and cats and my

wife

>> has a fit if either one has any kind of access to chocolate. Is chocolate

>> supposed to be poison to both dogs and cats? I just read THE CAT WHO WENT

TO

>> PARIS and the author mentioned giving his cat chocolate as a treat.

>>

>>

>>

>> PS: FWIW I felt Ms was totally out of line in the recent exchange.

No

>> doubt she needs a double dose of something [maybe exlax! {ggg}].

>>

>>

>> Message: 10 Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:23:13 -0500 (CDT) From:

Blatchley

>> <cblatchl@...> Subject: Re: Why not increase the dosage? - Tina

,

>> You wrote:

>>

>

>

>>>>>> I suspect that the reactions of dogs and humans are similar in many

cases; ...

>>>

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>>>>

>>>>

>>

>>

>>

>> One big difference is the biological half life for T4. In humans, it is about

6.5

>> days, nearly a week. In dogs, it is only about 6 hours, about the same as for

>> caffeine in humans. This means the replacement dose for dogs is much larger

than

>> for humans, and that the dose should be spread out over at least two

>> administrations per day.

>>

>> You also should not give them chocolate and very limited cheese, unless you

want

>> trouble.

>>

>> Chuck

>>

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[Guest guest]

L. on wrote:

> Hey, Chuck; is there a message in here somewhere that I missed?

I sent my message on theobromine again. If it does not arrive in a day

or so, please let me know. I'm switching servers to get away from this

problem.

Chuck