Guest guest Posted November 5, 1999 Report Share Posted November 5, 1999 For the last two months I've watched as this list has degenerated into an advertising space for almost any type of alternative treatment, regardless of its relevence to hypothyroidism. And for 2 months I've worried that not everyone will take these ads with a grain of salt. I do believe in alternative medicine and I think that conventional western medicine is lacking in a lot of ways, but I look upon any alternative treatment promising to cure thyroid disease with skepticism. Maybe it does work, but fergawdsakes, do your homework. Educate yourself about the disease and talk it over with your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 1999 Report Share Posted November 5, 1999 In a message dated 11/05/1999 06:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, cammy6@... writes: << For the last two months I've watched as this list has degenerated into an advertising space for almost any type of alternative treatment, regardless of its relevence to hypothyroidism. And for 2 months I've worried that not everyone will take these ads with a grain of salt. I do believe in alternative medicine and I think that conventional western medicine is lacking in a lot of ways, but I look upon any alternative treatment promising to cure thyroid disease with skepticism. Maybe it does work, but fergawdsakes, do your homework. Educate yourself about the disease and talk it over with your doctor. >> Dear Carmella, I think " degenerated...into an advertising space... " may be too strong of a term to fairly used. There will always be a difference of opinions on medical matters even among those who believe in alternative therapies. My personal belief is that since so many of the bodie's systems are interrelated and work synergistically together, and since so many people have multiple medical problems, that the sharing of any medical related information, within reason, would be welcome by the majority of list members. Even if their particular medical problem may seem to be unrelated to hypothyroidism, they probably know someone else who may benefit from the seemingly unrelated information. As a question of ethics, it has been previously discussed as to whether or not it is all right for someone who posts to this list to also be a distributor of a product which will benefit hypothyroidism, or even other medical conditions. In my opinion, it is a matter of motive. Most people do want to see " spam " on any list, but I do not think there is anything wrong with a person making available a product which is being sold which is beneficial to that medical condition and making a fair profit in monetary terms. It is entirely different if someone is merely just trying to sell products for profit without any honest sincere intent to benefit those with that medical condition, or inadequate knowledge or experience with that medical condition. Most people on a mailing list are looking for information that will benefit their medical condition. If there is a particular product that will legitimately do so, then I would think that the majority of listmembers would be delighted to learn about that product. If that product is a scam, or ineffective, word will soon get out to the listmembers by postings to the list. It is not a major effort to delete any posts that are not of interest to you. Sharing is one of the most beneficial things about an internet mailing list. I am personally not trying to sell any products, but if someone will recommend something that has brought beneficial results for them, I want to know about it so that I can at least check it out myself. Skepticism is good, and there are many products which are a lot of hype and show very little noticeable benefits. I do not want nor like " flame wars " , and everyone is entitled to their own personal opinions and postions on all matters. Having said that, I would like to urge everyone to try to choose their words carefully and considerately when writing a post. Ira M. Fine iramfine@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 1999 Report Share Posted November 5, 1999 Well on the heals of the last post I just want to Thank Ira for the good job he's doing. I have had my condition for over 20 yrs with no promise of a cure from medical community. I feel that taking my life and well being into my own hands is my only option. I am very greatful for the information that is offered on this list and because my life is at stake I will discriminate against anything that appears to be less than honerable or efficacious. blessings, Sabra >From: IRAMFINE@... >Reply-hypothyroidismonelist >hypothyroidismonelist >Subject: Re: Skepticism >Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:41:22 EST > >In a message dated 11/05/1999 06:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, >cammy6@... writes: > ><< For the last two months I've watched as this list has degenerated into >an > advertising space for almost any type of alternative treatment, >regardless > of its relevence to hypothyroidism. And for 2 months I've worried that >not > everyone will take these ads with a grain of salt. I do believe in > alternative medicine and I think that conventional western medicine is > lacking in a lot of ways, but I look upon any alternative treatment > promising to cure thyroid disease with skepticism. Maybe it does work, >but > fergawdsakes, do your homework. Educate yourself about the disease and >talk > it over with your doctor. >> > >Dear Carmella, > >I think " degenerated...into an advertising space... " may be too strong of a >term to fairly used. There will always be a difference of opinions on >medical matters even among those who believe in alternative therapies. > >My personal belief is that since so many of the bodie's systems are >interrelated and work synergistically together, and since so many people >have >multiple medical problems, that the sharing of any medical related >information, within reason, would be welcome by the majority of list >members. > Even if their particular medical problem may seem to be unrelated to >hypothyroidism, they probably know someone else who may benefit from the >seemingly unrelated information. > >As a question of ethics, it has been previously discussed as to whether or >not it is all right for someone who posts to this list to also be a >distributor of a product which will benefit hypothyroidism, or even other >medical conditions. In my opinion, it is a matter of motive. Most people >do want to see " spam " on any list, but I do not think there is anything >wrong >with a person making available a product which is being sold which is >beneficial to that medical condition and making a fair profit in monetary >terms. It is entirely different if someone is merely just trying to sell >products for profit without any honest sincere intent to benefit those with >that medical condition, or inadequate knowledge or experience with that >medical condition. > >Most people on a mailing list are looking for information that will benefit >their medical condition. If there is a particular product that will >legitimately do so, then I would think that the majority of listmembers >would >be delighted to learn about that product. If that product is a scam, or >ineffective, word will soon get out to the listmembers by postings to the >list. > >It is not a major effort to delete any posts that are not of interest to >you. > Sharing is one of the most beneficial things about an internet mailing >list. > I am personally not trying to sell any products, but if someone will >recommend something that has brought beneficial results for them, I want to >know about it so that I can at least check it out myself. > >Skepticism is good, and there are many products which are a lot of hype and >show very little noticeable benefits. > >I do not want nor like " flame wars " , and everyone is entitled to their own >personal opinions and postions on all matters. Having said that, I would >like to urge everyone to try to choose their words carefully and >considerately when writing a post. > >Ira M. Fine >iramfine@... > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 1999 Report Share Posted November 6, 1999 I understand your feelings on the subject, Cammellia. However, many doctors do not treat hypothyroidism in a very thoughtful way. They throw a thyroxin prescription at people at best, and at worst they turn them away improperly diagnosed. So I can understand why people are looking for answers aside from what their doctors have to say. For myself, I'd like to recommend that anyone with symptoms of hypothyroidism look into fluoride as a possible culprit. Fluoridated water can give you the symptoms of hypothyroidism because fluoride reduces the amount of thyroid hormone in your body. If you're interested in learning more about the dangers of water fluoridation, this is a good place to start looking. There are also links and you can follow for more info. I have no connection to the site, I just recommend it because it's the best starting point I've seen, and they don't sell anything. http://www.nofluoride.com M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 1999 Report Share Posted November 6, 1999 A word of warning: Be careful and listen to your body when it comes to ingredients listed on packages. One toothpaste company I know of has been reported to have fluoride in their fluoride-free toothpaste. Also, because of fluoridated water, fertilizers, herbicides, fungicides and pesticides that contain fluoride, alot of fluoride is in our food chain. As a result some foods are very high in fluoride. In addition, some areas, such as the Southwest, are naturally high in fluoride. I brush my teeth with distilled water only now. I don't use any product I don't absolutely need. In my own case, I have the mixed blessing of getting a horrific stomach ache immediately upon consuming fluoride. So that helps with food and water anyway. Just info. Not pressure to do anything you're not comfortable with. : ) M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 1999 Report Share Posted November 6, 1999 I use Natural White toohpaste (purple tube) which contains no fluoride and Biotene mouthwash which also contains no fluoride. I was hard to find brands which didn't have any fluoride. If I hadn't found those, I was going to use baking soda. AKchum@... wrote: > > From: AKchum@... > > I understand your feelings on the subject, Cammellia. However, many doctors > do not treat hypothyroidism in a very thoughtful way. They throw a thyroxin > prescription at people at best, and at worst they turn them away improperly > diagnosed. So I can understand why people are looking for answers aside from > what their doctors have to say. > > For myself, I'd like to recommend that anyone with symptoms of hypothyroidism > look into fluoride as a possible culprit. Fluoridated water can give you the > symptoms of hypothyroidism because fluoride reduces the amount of thyroid > hormone in your body. If you're interested in learning more about the > dangers of water fluoridation, this is a good place to start looking. There > are also links and you can follow for more info. I have no connection to the > site, I just recommend it because it's the best starting point I've seen, and > they don't sell anything. > > http://www.nofluoride.com > > M. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 1999 Report Share Posted November 6, 1999 I use Natural White toohpaste (purple tube) which contains no fluoride and Biotene mouthwash which also contains no fluoride. I was hard to find brands which didn't have any fluoride. If I hadn't found those, I was going to use baking soda. AKchum@... wrote: > > From: AKchum@... > > I understand your feelings on the subject, Cammellia. However, many doctors > do not treat hypothyroidism in a very thoughtful way. They throw a thyroxin > prescription at people at best, and at worst they turn them away improperly > diagnosed. So I can understand why people are looking for answers aside from > what their doctors have to say. > > For myself, I'd like to recommend that anyone with symptoms of hypothyroidism > look into fluoride as a possible culprit. Fluoridated water can give you the > symptoms of hypothyroidism because fluoride reduces the amount of thyroid > hormone in your body. If you're interested in learning more about the > dangers of water fluoridation, this is a good place to start looking. There > are also links and you can follow for more info. I have no connection to the > site, I just recommend it because it's the best starting point I've seen, and > they don't sell anything. > > http://www.nofluoride.com > > M. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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