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Hi Catarina,

Could you tell me what Natural HC is?

Thanks so much!

Blessings,

Hultgren Catarina <catarinahultgren@...> wrote:

First of all, I would like to thank all of you who encouraged me to insist on

needing adrenal meds!

I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed with me that natural HC

was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of Medrol a day). So, he put me on

20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses (since I got 10 mg tablets from the

pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning with breakfast, half a tablet (5 mg) at

lunch and half a tablet in the afternoon), together with 15 mg of DHEA every

morning to prevent osteoporosis (prescribed by Hertoghe).

I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP (50 mg at bedtime),

CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at bedtime). You know, you are so lucky in

the US because you have it all...! I order all this stuff from the US and it

arrives quickly and safely, but I have to pay about 100 USD customs

fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel great, better than I have in a long

time!

But the best part of it is that since I am on natural HC, for the first time

in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was never able to do that on

synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or Armour...nor on Medrol. It was not

until I added natural HC to my regimen that things started to happen...the other

day, a colleague asked me how I managed to lose so much weight and I did not

know what to say...the truth is that I have not done anything, except live

normally, eat what I've always eaten and exercise 4-5 times a week...something

which, until quite recently, was quite useless!

Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if anyone else here has

experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of a difference?! Or is

it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all those supplements?

I also think that I have finally found the ideal combination of thyroid

drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of synthetic T4. More Armour

means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4 means too little T4. Has anyone

else had excellent results combining meds; most doctors seem to work exclusively

with either synthetic or natural hormones but, in my experience, a combination

of the two can be equally beneficial!

Catarina

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yes the natural HC (hydrocortisone) is simply wonderful---the right dose at

the right time is so important. I do think it would be helpful to take 5mg

4X a day, taking last dose in the evening for sleep. Also I think that now

you have DHEA and cortef you would be just fine taking Armour. If someone

in US sends you something labeled " gift " , do you still have to pay customs

fees?

Gracia

> First of all, I would like to thank all of you who encouraged me to insist

> on needing adrenal meds!

>

> I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed with me that

> natural HC was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of Medrol a day).

> So, he put me on 20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses (since I got 10 mg

> tablets from the pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning with breakfast,

> half a tablet (5 mg) at lunch and half a tablet in the afternoon),

> together with 15 mg of DHEA every morning to prevent osteoporosis

> (prescribed by Hertoghe).

>

> I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP (50 mg at

> bedtime), CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at bedtime). You know, you

> are so lucky in the US because you have it all...! I order all this stuff

> from the US and it arrives quickly and safely, but I have to pay about 100

> USD customs fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel great, better than I

> have in a long time!

>

> But the best part of it is that since I am on natural HC, for the first

> time in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was never able to do that

> on synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or Armour...nor on Medrol.

> It was not until I added natural HC to my regimen that things started to

> happen...the other day, a colleague asked me how I managed to lose so much

> weight and I did not know what to say...the truth is that I have not done

> anything, except live normally, eat what I've always eaten and exercise

> 4-5 times a week...something which, until quite recently, was quite

> useless!

>

> Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if anyone else here has

> experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of a difference?!

> Or is it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all those

> supplements?

>

> I also think that I have finally found the ideal combination of thyroid

> drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of synthetic T4. More

> Armour means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4 means too little

> T4. Has anyone else had excellent results combining meds; most doctors

> seem to work exclusively with either synthetic or natural hormones but, in

> my experience, a combination of the two can be equally beneficial!

>

>

> Catarina

>

>

>

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If the HC is " natural " where does it come from? Like Armour comes from pigs, we

know that...., and Premarin is just a contraction of PREgnant MAre's uRINe....,

lovely, isn't it? LOL.

Re: has anyone else experienced the same thing?!

yes the natural HC (hydrocortisone) is simply wonderful---the right dose at

the right time is so important. I do think it would be helpful to take 5mg

4X a day, taking last dose in the evening for sleep. Also I think that now

you have DHEA and cortef you would be just fine taking Armour. If someone

in US sends you something labeled " gift " , do you still have to pay customs

fees?

Gracia

> First of all, I would like to thank all of you who encouraged me to insist

> on needing adrenal meds!

>

> I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed with me that

> natural HC was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of Medrol a day).

> So, he put me on 20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses (since I got 10 mg

> tablets from the pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning with breakfast,

> half a tablet (5 mg) at lunch and half a tablet in the afternoon),

> together with 15 mg of DHEA every morning to prevent osteoporosis

> (prescribed by Hertoghe).

>

> I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP (50 mg at

> bedtime), CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at bedtime). You know, you

> are so lucky in the US because you have it all...! I order all this stuff

> from the US and it arrives quickly and safely, but I have to pay about 100

> USD customs fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel great, better than I

> have in a long time!

>

> But the best part of it is that since I am on natural HC, for the first

> time in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was never able to do that

> on synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or Armour...nor on Medrol.

> It was not until I added natural HC to my regimen that things started to

> happen...the other day, a colleague asked me how I managed to lose so much

> weight and I did not know what to say...the truth is that I have not done

> anything, except live normally, eat what I've always eaten and exercise

> 4-5 times a week...something which, until quite recently, was quite

> useless!

>

> Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if anyone else here has

> experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of a difference?!

> Or is it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all those

> supplements?

>

> I also think that I have finally found the ideal combination of thyroid

> drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of synthetic T4. More

> Armour means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4 means too little

> T4. Has anyone else had excellent results combining meds; most doctors

> seem to work exclusively with either synthetic or natural hormones but, in

> my experience, a combination of the two can be equally beneficial!

>

>

> Catarina

>

>

>

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What country are you writing from, Catarina? I have a sister in Norway. I always

write " Gift " on packages I send her, she never pays any customs charges. I send

her Glucosamine, can you believe it, they don't have it there, not even via

prescription!!!

has anyone else experienced the same thing?!

First of all, I would like to thank all of you who encouraged me to insist on

needing adrenal meds!

I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed with me that natural

HC was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of Medrol a day). So, he put me

on 20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses (since I got 10 mg tablets from the

pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning with breakfast, half a tablet (5 mg) at

lunch and half a tablet in the afternoon), together with 15 mg of DHEA every

morning to prevent osteoporosis (prescribed by Hertoghe).

I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP (50 mg at bedtime),

CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at bedtime). You know, you are so lucky in

the US because you have it all...! I order all this stuff from the US and it

arrives quickly and safely, but I have to pay about 100 USD customs

fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel great, better than I have in a long

time!

But the best part of it is that since I am on natural HC, for the first time

in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was never able to do that on

synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or Armour...nor on Medrol. It was not

until I added natural HC to my regimen that things started to happen...the other

day, a colleague asked me how I managed to lose so much weight and I did not

know what to say...the truth is that I have not done anything, except live

normally, eat what I've always eaten and exercise 4-5 times a week...something

which, until quite recently, was quite useless!

Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if anyone else here has

experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of a difference?! Or is

it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all those supplements?

I also think that I have finally found the ideal combination of thyroid

drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of synthetic T4. More Armour

means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4 means too little T4. Has anyone

else had excellent results combining meds; most doctors seem to work exclusively

with either synthetic or natural hormones but, in my experience, a combination

of the two can be equally beneficial!

Catarina

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Premarin is not natural in any way shape or form ....it is made from

urine extracted in a barbaric fashion from helpless animals. Better to

kill an animal quickly and humanely than to torture it for its whole

life.

Bio-identical is a better term to use than natural for hormones - HC is

hydrocortisone which occurs naturally in the body. It is made in a

laboratory.

The oestrogen made from Premarin is not identical to the oestrogen made

in the body.

The Thyroid hormones in Armour are bio-identical.

Synthroid is also bio-identical but there are issues because it is not

the whole hormone group it is just T4 and there are additives and

binders which seem to cause people trouble.

Re: has anyone else experienced the same

thing?!

If the HC is " natural " where does it come from? Like Armour comes from

pigs, we know that...., and Premarin is just a contraction of PREgnant

MAre's uRINe...., lovely, isn't it? LOL.

Re: has anyone else experienced the same

thing?!

yes the natural HC (hydrocortisone) is simply wonderful---the right

dose at

the right time is so important. I do think it would be helpful to

take 5mg

4X a day, taking last dose in the evening for sleep. Also I think

that now

you have DHEA and cortef you would be just fine taking Armour. If

someone

in US sends you something labeled " gift " , do you still have to pay

customs

fees?

Gracia

> First of all, I would like to thank all of you who encouraged me to

insist

> on needing adrenal meds!

>

> I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed with me that

> natural HC was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of Medrol a

day).

> So, he put me on 20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses (since I got

10 mg

> tablets from the pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning with

breakfast,

> half a tablet (5 mg) at lunch and half a tablet in the afternoon),

> together with 15 mg of DHEA every morning to prevent osteoporosis

> (prescribed by Hertoghe).

>

> I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP (50 mg at

> bedtime), CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at bedtime). You know,

you

> are so lucky in the US because you have it all...! I order all this

stuff

> from the US and it arrives quickly and safely, but I have to pay

about 100

> USD customs fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel great, better

than I

> have in a long time!

>

> But the best part of it is that since I am on natural HC, for the

first

> time in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was never able to

do that

> on synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or Armour...nor on

Medrol.

> It was not until I added natural HC to my regimen that things

started to

> happen...the other day, a colleague asked me how I managed to lose

so much

> weight and I did not know what to say...the truth is that I have not

done

> anything, except live normally, eat what I've always eaten and

exercise

> 4-5 times a week...something which, until quite recently, was quite

> useless!

>

> Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if anyone else

here has

> experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of a

difference?!

> Or is it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all those

> supplements?

>

> I also think that I have finally found the ideal combination of

thyroid

> drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of synthetic T4.

More

> Armour means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4 means too

little

> T4. Has anyone else had excellent results combining meds; most

doctors

> seem to work exclusively with either synthetic or natural hormones

but, in

> my experience, a combination of the two can be equally beneficial!

>

>

> Catarina

>

>

>

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HI Catarina - that is wonderful - No I have not had as much success with

cortef as you have - but I still believe it is helpful. Likewise with

the CoQ10 and 5HTP - I have taken both and not noticed much difference

longer term - when I first began the coq 10 I felt great for a few days

then it was back to the usual tiredness.

I think because you have been able to continue to exercise you were not

as depleted as many of us here so maybe it was easier for you to

improve. I lost the ability to exercise several years ago and I was a

very active person before that.

I am now trying larger doses of CoQ 10 in combo with some other things

- so maybe that will help. How long did it take for you to notice the

change?

anyway great to hear you are doing so well.

Kerry.

has anyone else experienced the same thing?!

First of all, I would like to thank all of you who encouraged me to

insist on needing adrenal meds!

I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed with me that

natural HC was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of Medrol a day).

So, he put me on 20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses (since I got 10

mg tablets from the pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning with

breakfast, half a tablet (5 mg) at lunch and half a tablet in the

afternoon), together with 15 mg of DHEA every morning to prevent

osteoporosis (prescribed by Hertoghe).

I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP (50 mg at

bedtime), CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at bedtime). You know, you

are so lucky in the US because you have it all...! I order all this

stuff from the US and it arrives quickly and safely, but I have to pay

about 100 USD customs fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel great,

better than I have in a long time!

But the best part of it is that since I am on natural HC, for the

first time in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was never able to

do that on synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or Armour...nor on

Medrol. It was not until I added natural HC to my regimen that things

started to happen...the other day, a colleague asked me how I managed to

lose so much weight and I did not know what to say...the truth is that I

have not done anything, except live normally, eat what I've always eaten

and exercise 4-5 times a week...something which, until quite recently,

was quite useless!

Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if anyone else here

has experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of a

difference?! Or is it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all

those supplements?

I also think that I have finally found the ideal combination of

thyroid drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of synthetic

T4. More Armour means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4 means

too little T4. Has anyone else had excellent results combining meds;

most doctors seem to work exclusively with either synthetic or natural

hormones but, in my experience, a combination of the two can be equally

beneficial!

Catarina

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Hi Catarina,

Could you tell me what Natural HC is?

Thanks so much!

Blessings,

Nikita Dias.

Nikita_dias2000@...

A patient from India who is really in trouble because of this desease,please

please please help me if any one could .......I beg of you all.

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote:

Hi Catarina,

Could you tell me what Natural HC is?

Thanks so much!

Blessings,

Hultgren Catarina <catarinahultgren@...> wrote:

First of all, I would like to thank all of you who encouraged me to insist on

needing adrenal meds!

I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed with me that natural HC

was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of Medrol a day). So, he put me on

20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses (since I got 10 mg tablets from the

pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning with breakfast, half a tablet (5 mg) at

lunch and half a tablet in the afternoon), together with 15 mg of DHEA every

morning to prevent osteoporosis (prescribed by Hertoghe).

I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP (50 mg at bedtime),

CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at bedtime). You know, you are so lucky in

the US because you have it all...! I order all this stuff from the US and it

arrives quickly and safely, but I have to pay about 100 USD customs

fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel great, better than I have in a long

time!

But the best part of it is that since I am on natural HC, for the first time

in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was never able to do that on

synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or Armour...nor on Medrol. It was not

until I added natural HC to my regimen that things started to happen...the other

day, a colleague asked me how I managed to lose so much weight and I did not

know what to say...the truth is that I have not done anything, except live

normally, eat what I've always eaten and exercise 4-5 times a week...something

which, until quite recently, was quite useless!

Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if anyone else here has

experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of a difference?! Or is

it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all those supplements?

I also think that I have finally found the ideal combination of thyroid

drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of synthetic T4. More Armour

means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4 means too little T4. Has anyone

else had excellent results combining meds; most doctors seem to work exclusively

with either synthetic or natural hormones but, in my experience, a combination

of the two can be equally beneficial!

Catarina

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OK, so the word " natural " in this context means " made in the lab " ? I always

thought natural meant something that came from nature, you know, like made by

God, if you will. Or Mother Nature, for you atheists. As opposed to man-made,

chemists mixing together something that doesn't occur in nature, or extracting

or adding something to a natural product, altering its original formula. So

hydrocortisone occurs naturally in the body. But it is also made in the lab. You

lost me there.

The only thing that human beings can take into their bodies to help them getting

well, that is truly natural, (cannot be made by man), is human blood, as in

blood transfusions. It comes from another human being. Not from an animal. Not

from a lab. It doesn't get any more natural than that.

Does anyone really know how they make premarin? I'd like to know. Is it so

barbaric to catch the urine (after it comes out), or is it harvested inside the

bladder? That wouldn't be so terrible either. Haven't you ever had a catheter

when you were in the hospital? Nothing to it. And how about Armour Thyroid, I've

been told it's made from desiccated pigs' thyroid glands. It that true? Pigs are

being slaughtered for food. Unless you're a vegetarian, there's nothing wrong

with that. Why not also use their thyroid glands? Pigs are very close to humans,

biologically speaking. Closer than any of the primates, I hate to disappoint you

there. When cardiac surgeons first wanted to try heart transplants, they

experimented with a pig's heart for that reason. (It still got rejected I

believe. It's a long time ago).

So " natural " , " bio-identical " , " synthetic " , " man-made " , what are the real

definitions? And who makes up these definitions?

Re: has anyone else experienced the same

thing?!

yes the natural HC (hydrocortisone) is simply wonderful---the right

dose at

the right time is so important. I do think it would be helpful to

take 5mg

4X a day, taking last dose in the evening for sleep. Also I think

that now

you have DHEA and cortef you would be just fine taking Armour. If

someone

in US sends you something labeled " gift " , do you still have to pay

customs

fees?

Gracia

> First of all, I would like to thank all of you who encouraged me to

insist

> on needing adrenal meds!

>

> I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed with me that

> natural HC was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of Medrol a

day).

> So, he put me on 20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses (since I got

10 mg

> tablets from the pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning with

breakfast,

> half a tablet (5 mg) at lunch and half a tablet in the afternoon),

> together with 15 mg of DHEA every morning to prevent osteoporosis

> (prescribed by Hertoghe).

>

> I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP (50 mg at

> bedtime), CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at bedtime). You know,

you

> are so lucky in the US because you have it all...! I order all this

stuff

> from the US and it arrives quickly and safely, but I have to pay

about 100

> USD customs fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel great, better

than I

> have in a long time!

>

> But the best part of it is that since I am on natural HC, for the

first

> time in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was never able to

do that

> on synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or Armour...nor on

Medrol.

> It was not until I added natural HC to my regimen that things

started to

> happen...the other day, a colleague asked me how I managed to lose

so much

> weight and I did not know what to say...the truth is that I have not

done

> anything, except live normally, eat what I've always eaten and

exercise

> 4-5 times a week...something which, until quite recently, was quite

> useless!

>

> Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if anyone else

here has

> experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of a

difference?!

> Or is it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all those

> supplements?

>

> I also think that I have finally found the ideal combination of

thyroid

> drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of synthetic T4.

More

> Armour means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4 means too

little

> T4. Has anyone else had excellent results combining meds; most

doctors

> seem to work exclusively with either synthetic or natural hormones

but, in

> my experience, a combination of the two can be equally beneficial!

>

>

> Catarina

>

>

>

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Don't get bent out of shape about " natural " - just take what is healthy

and doesn't hurt yourself, other people or creatures in the process.

As for the Premarin - the horses are kept in a type of nappy for their

whole life, they are not allowed to run around outside, they are

continually in foal (any guess where unwanted baby horses go????)

because that is the only way their urine is of any use.

There are over 200,000 horses in the USA alone which are mistreated like

this. Would you like to live like this - with a catheter inserted for

your whole life and confined to your room to boot? I don't think so....

And all for the sake of a drug that is not even proven safe for women?

Re: has anyone else experienced the same

thing?!

OK, so the word " natural " in this context means " made in the lab " ? I

always thought natural meant something that came from nature, you know,

like made by God, if you will. Or Mother Nature, for you atheists. As

opposed to man-made, chemists mixing together something that doesn't

occur in nature, or extracting or adding something to a natural product,

altering its original formula. So hydrocortisone occurs naturally in

the body. But it is also made in the lab. You lost me there.

The only thing that human beings can take into their bodies to help them

getting well, that is truly natural, (cannot be made by man), is human

blood, as in blood transfusions. It comes from another human being. Not

from an animal. Not from a lab. It doesn't get any more natural than

that.

Does anyone really know how they make premarin? I'd like to know. Is it

so barbaric to catch the urine (after it comes out), or is it harvested

inside the bladder? That wouldn't be so terrible either. Haven't you

ever had a catheter when you were in the hospital? Nothing to it. And

how about Armour Thyroid, I've been told it's made from desiccated pigs'

thyroid glands. It that true? Pigs are being slaughtered for food.

Unless you're a vegetarian, there's nothing wrong with that. Why not

also use their thyroid glands? Pigs are very close to humans,

biologically speaking. Closer than any of the primates, I hate to

disappoint you there. When cardiac surgeons first wanted to try heart

transplants, they experimented with a pig's heart for that reason. (It

still got rejected I believe. It's a long time ago).

So " natural " , " bio-identical " , " synthetic " , " man-made " , what are the

real definitions? And who makes up these definitions?

Re: has anyone else experienced the same

thing?!

yes the natural HC (hydrocortisone) is simply wonderful---the right

dose at

the right time is so important. I do think it would be helpful to

take 5mg

4X a day, taking last dose in the evening for sleep. Also I think

that now

you have DHEA and cortef you would be just fine taking Armour. If

someone

in US sends you something labeled " gift " , do you still have to pay

customs

fees?

Gracia

> First of all, I would like to thank all of you who encouraged me

to

insist

> on needing adrenal meds!

>

> I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed with me

that

> natural HC was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of Medrol a

day).

> So, he put me on 20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses (since I

got

10 mg

> tablets from the pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning with

breakfast,

> half a tablet (5 mg) at lunch and half a tablet in the afternoon),

> together with 15 mg of DHEA every morning to prevent osteoporosis

> (prescribed by Hertoghe).

>

> I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP (50 mg at

> bedtime), CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at bedtime). You

know,

you

> are so lucky in the US because you have it all...! I order all

this

stuff

> from the US and it arrives quickly and safely, but I have to pay

about 100

> USD customs fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel great,

better

than I

> have in a long time!

>

> But the best part of it is that since I am on natural HC, for the

first

> time in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was never able to

do that

> on synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or Armour...nor on

Medrol.

> It was not until I added natural HC to my regimen that things

started to

> happen...the other day, a colleague asked me how I managed to lose

so much

> weight and I did not know what to say...the truth is that I have

not

done

> anything, except live normally, eat what I've always eaten and

exercise

> 4-5 times a week...something which, until quite recently, was

quite

> useless!

>

> Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if anyone else

here has

> experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of a

difference?!

> Or is it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all those

> supplements?

>

> I also think that I have finally found the ideal combination of

thyroid

> drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of synthetic

T4.

More

> Armour means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4 means too

little

> T4. Has anyone else had excellent results combining meds; most

doctors

> seem to work exclusively with either synthetic or natural hormones

but, in

> my experience, a combination of the two can be equally

beneficial!

>

>

> Catarina

>

>

>

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Gosh, that is just terrible! How did you learn about this? Is this common

knowledge to most people? I never heard about it, and I read a lot, especially

everything related to health... And I took Premarin for some 20 years, starting

in my forties, thinking it was " good for my bones, my heart, and my libido " .

That's what most doctors prescribed in those days. The dark ages. Nobody even

talked about hypothyroidism, or thought to check for that. Looking at the list

of symptoms now, I know I've had several of them for years and years. Then after

I started to read about the possible risks and long term side effects of

Premarin, I stopped taking it a few years ago. My bone density is still just

fine. I do weight training, and various weight bearing aerobic exercises. Biking

and swimming are NOT weight bearing exercises. And of course I eat calcium rich

foods, and take supplements. I'm 68. My heart? There shouldn't be anything wrong

with that, since I've lived a very healthy lifestyle all my life. But after I

started taking Synthroid a few years ago, (my OB-GYN finally decided to check my

thyroid), I started having all sorts of palpitations. It really scared me, and I

have now been seeing a cardiologist regularly for years because of that. He

can't find anything wrong with my heart. Two years ago I went to another doctor,

who said stop the Synthroid, switch to Armour. I did for a while, but the

insurance wouldn't pay for it. So I switched to the (cheaper) " generic armour " ,

is it really the same thing?

Re: has anyone else experienced the same

thing?!

yes the natural HC (hydrocortisone) is simply wonderful---the right

dose at

the right time is so important. I do think it would be helpful to

take 5mg

4X a day, taking last dose in the evening for sleep. Also I think

that now

you have DHEA and cortef you would be just fine taking Armour. If

someone

in US sends you something labeled " gift " , do you still have to pay

customs

fees?

Gracia

> First of all, I would like to thank all of you who encouraged me

to

insist

> on needing adrenal meds!

>

> I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed with me

that

> natural HC was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of Medrol a

day).

> So, he put me on 20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses (since I

got

10 mg

> tablets from the pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning with

breakfast,

> half a tablet (5 mg) at lunch and half a tablet in the afternoon),

> together with 15 mg of DHEA every morning to prevent osteoporosis

> (prescribed by Hertoghe).

>

> I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP (50 mg at

> bedtime), CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at bedtime). You

know,

you

> are so lucky in the US because you have it all...! I order all

this

stuff

> from the US and it arrives quickly and safely, but I have to pay

about 100

> USD customs fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel great,

better

than I

> have in a long time!

>

> But the best part of it is that since I am on natural HC, for the

first

> time in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was never able to

do that

> on synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or Armour...nor on

Medrol.

> It was not until I added natural HC to my regimen that things

started to

> happen...the other day, a colleague asked me how I managed to lose

so much

> weight and I did not know what to say...the truth is that I have

not

done

> anything, except live normally, eat what I've always eaten and

exercise

> 4-5 times a week...something which, until quite recently, was

quite

> useless!

>

> Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if anyone else

here has

> experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of a

difference?!

> Or is it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all those

> supplements?

>

> I also think that I have finally found the ideal combination of

thyroid

> drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of synthetic

T4.

More

> Armour means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4 means too

little

> T4. Has anyone else had excellent results combining meds; most

doctors

> seem to work exclusively with either synthetic or natural hormones

but, in

> my experience, a combination of the two can be equally

beneficial!

>

>

> Catarina

>

>

>

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Have a look at these..

http://citizensforjustice.org/wyeth/cruelty.html

http://www.hcgresources.com/HormoneHorrors.htm

http://www.astrudgilberto.com/animals.htm

Puneet

and Mark <koplyn@...> wrote: Gosh, that is just terrible!

How did you learn about this? Is this common knowledge to most people? I never

heard about it, and I read a lot, especially everything related to health...

And I took Premarin for some 20 years, starting in my forties, thinking it was

" good for my bones, my heart, and my libido " . That's what most doctors

prescribed in those days. The dark ages. Nobody even talked about

hypothyroidism, or thought to check for that. Looking at the list of symptoms

now, I know I've had several of them for years and years. Then after I started

to read about the possible risks and long term side effects of Premarin, I

stopped taking it a few years ago. My bone density is still just fine. I do

weight training, and various weight bearing aerobic exercises. Biking and

swimming are NOT weight bearing exercises. And of course I eat calcium rich

foods, and take supplements. I'm 68. My heart? There shouldn't be anything

wrong with that, since I've lived a very healthy lifestyle all my life. But

after I started taking Synthroid a few years ago, (my OB-GYN finally decided

to check my thyroid), I started having all sorts of palpitations. It really

scared me, and I have now been seeing a cardiologist regularly for years

because of that. He can't find anything wrong with my heart. Two years ago I

went to another doctor, who said stop the Synthroid, switch to Armour. I did

for a while, but the insurance wouldn't pay for it. So I switched to the

(cheaper) " generic armour " , is it really the same thing?

Re: has anyone else experienced the same

thing?!

yes the natural HC (hydrocortisone) is simply wonderful---the right

dose at

the right time is so important. I do think it would be helpful to

take 5mg

4X a day, taking last dose in the evening for sleep. Also I think

that now

you have DHEA and cortef you would be just fine taking Armour. If

someone

in US sends you something labeled " gift " , do you still have to pay

customs

fees?

Gracia

> First of all, I would like to thank all of you who encouraged me

to

insist

> on needing adrenal meds!

>

> I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed with me

that

> natural HC was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of Medrol a

day).

> So, he put me on 20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses (since I

got

10 mg

> tablets from the pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning with

breakfast,

> half a tablet (5 mg) at lunch and half a tablet in the afternoon),

> together with 15 mg of DHEA every morning to prevent osteoporosis

> (prescribed by Hertoghe).

>

> I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP (50 mg at

> bedtime), CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at bedtime). You

know,

you

> are so lucky in the US because you have it all...! I order all

this

stuff

> from the US and it arrives quickly and safely, but I have to pay

about 100

> USD customs fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel great,

better

than I

> have in a long time!

>

> But the best part of it is that since I am on natural HC, for the

first

> time in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was never able to

do that

> on synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or Armour...nor on

Medrol.

> It was not until I added natural HC to my regimen that things

started to

> happen...the other day, a colleague asked me how I managed to lose

so much

> weight and I did not know what to say...the truth is that I have

not

done

> anything, except live normally, eat what I've always eaten and

exercise

> 4-5 times a week...something which, until quite recently, was

quite

> useless!

>

> Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if anyone else

here has

> experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of a

difference?!

> Or is it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all those

> supplements?

>

> I also think that I have finally found the ideal combination of

thyroid

> drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of synthetic

T4.

More

> Armour means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4 means too

little

> T4. Has anyone else had excellent results combining meds; most

doctors

> seem to work exclusively with either synthetic or natural hormones

but, in

> my experience, a combination of the two can be equally

beneficial!

>

>

> Catarina

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

HELLO.

I HAVE NOT POSTED MUCH IN THIS GROUP, BUT I NOTICED THAT EVERYONE ALWAYS TALKS

ABOUT SYNTHROID AND ARMOUR.

I AM ON LEVOTHROID. I FEEL LIKE PERHAPS THE ONLY ONE...??? IS THERE A

REASON FOR THIS??? IS THERE SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW. I TAKE 125 TO 150 MCG AT

THIS POINT... DEPENDING ON WHAT MY TESTS READ. I WAS ALSO TAKING CYTOMEL (T3)

FOR CLARITY AND ENERGY AND TO SUPPORT THE LEVOTHROID AS MY BODY DOES NOT SEEM TO

CONVERT IT OR I NEED MORE, I AM NOT SURE. (MY NEW DOC TOOK ME OFF... HE SAID

IT WAS A NO NO, BUT I FELT SO GOOD) ANYWAY... IF ANYONE CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON

THE LEVOTHROID. I AM INTERESTED.

P.S. I ALMOST DIED AFTER BEING MISDIAGNOSED, BUT I HAVE HASHIMOTO'S

THYROIDITIS. ANYONE KNOW HOW YOU GET IT??? I DO... I ENDED UP TELLING MY

DOCTOR.

REGARDLESS... I HAVE MANY OTHER HEALTH PROBLEMS I AM FIGHTING, SO A LITTLE

LEARY OF SWITCHING MEDS... AGAIN... ; )

THANKS FOR ANY HELP.

BE WELL,

PAMELA

Puneet kumar <kumarpuneet2004@...> wrote:

Have a look at these..

http://citizensforjustice.org/wyeth/cruelty.html

http://www.hcgresources.com/HormoneHorrors.htm

http://www.astrudgilberto.com/animals.htm

Puneet

and Mark <koplyn@...> wrote: Gosh, that is just terrible!

How did you learn about this? Is this common knowledge to most people? I never

heard about it, and I read a lot, especially everything related to health...

And I took Premarin for some 20 years, starting in my forties, thinking it was

" good for my bones, my heart, and my libido " . That's what most doctors

prescribed in those days. The dark ages. Nobody even talked about

hypothyroidism, or thought to check for that. Looking at the list of symptoms

now, I know I've had several of them for years and years. Then after I started

to read about the possible risks and long term side effects of Premarin, I

stopped taking it a few years ago. My bone density is still just fine. I do

weight training, and various weight bearing aerobic exercises. Biking and

swimming are NOT weight bearing exercises. And of course I eat calcium rich

foods, and take supplements. I'm 68. My heart? There shouldn't be anything

wrong with that, since I've lived a very healthy lifestyle all my life. But

after I started taking Synthroid a few years ago, (my OB-GYN finally decided

to check my thyroid), I started having all sorts of palpitations. It really

scared me, and I have now been seeing a cardiologist regularly for years

because of that. He can't find anything wrong with my heart. Two years ago I

went to another doctor, who said stop the Synthroid, switch to Armour. I did

for a while, but the insurance wouldn't pay for it. So I switched to the

(cheaper) " generic armour " , is it really the same thing?

Re: has anyone else experienced the same

thing?!

yes the natural HC (hydrocortisone) is simply wonderful---the right

dose at

the right time is so important. I do think it would be helpful to

take 5mg

4X a day, taking last dose in the evening for sleep. Also I think

that now

you have DHEA and cortef you would be just fine taking Armour. If

someone

in US sends you something labeled " gift " , do you still have to pay

customs

fees?

Gracia

> First of all, I would like to thank all of you who encouraged me

to

insist

> on needing adrenal meds!

>

> I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed with me

that

> natural HC was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of Medrol a

day).

> So, he put me on 20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses (since I

got

10 mg

> tablets from the pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning with

breakfast,

> half a tablet (5 mg) at lunch and half a tablet in the afternoon),

> together with 15 mg of DHEA every morning to prevent osteoporosis

> (prescribed by Hertoghe).

>

> I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP (50 mg at

> bedtime), CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at bedtime). You

know,

you

> are so lucky in the US because you have it all...! I order all

this

stuff

> from the US and it arrives quickly and safely, but I have to pay

about 100

> USD customs fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel great,

better

than I

> have in a long time!

>

> But the best part of it is that since I am on natural HC, for the

first

> time in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was never able to

do that

> on synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or Armour...nor on

Medrol.

> It was not until I added natural HC to my regimen that things

started to

> happen...the other day, a colleague asked me how I managed to lose

so much

> weight and I did not know what to say...the truth is that I have

not

done

> anything, except live normally, eat what I've always eaten and

exercise

> 4-5 times a week...something which, until quite recently, was

quite

> useless!

>

> Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if anyone else

here has

> experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of a

difference?!

> Or is it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all those

> supplements?

>

> I also think that I have finally found the ideal combination of

thyroid

> drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of synthetic

T4.

More

> Armour means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4 means too

little

> T4. Has anyone else had excellent results combining meds; most

doctors

> seem to work exclusively with either synthetic or natural hormones

but, in

> my experience, a combination of the two can be equally

beneficial!

>

>

> Catarina

>

>

>

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

You asked if anyone knows how to get hashimoto, how do you get it? I have it

too, and would love to know how I got it!

Thanks so much!

Blessings,

PAMELA <PAMELA@...> wrote:

HELLO.

I HAVE NOT POSTED MUCH IN THIS GROUP, BUT I NOTICED THAT EVERYONE ALWAYS TALKS

ABOUT SYNTHROID AND ARMOUR.

I AM ON LEVOTHROID. I FEEL LIKE PERHAPS THE ONLY ONE...??? IS THERE A

REASON FOR THIS??? IS THERE SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW. I TAKE 125 TO 150 MCG AT

THIS POINT... DEPENDING ON WHAT MY TESTS READ. I WAS ALSO TAKING CYTOMEL (T3)

FOR CLARITY AND ENERGY AND TO SUPPORT THE LEVOTHROID AS MY BODY DOES NOT SEEM TO

CONVERT IT OR I NEED MORE, I AM NOT SURE. (MY NEW DOC TOOK ME OFF... HE SAID

IT WAS A NO NO, BUT I FELT SO GOOD) ANYWAY... IF ANYONE CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON

THE LEVOTHROID. I AM INTERESTED.

P.S. I ALMOST DIED AFTER BEING MISDIAGNOSED, BUT I HAVE HASHIMOTO'S

THYROIDITIS. ANYONE KNOW HOW YOU GET IT??? I DO... I ENDED UP TELLING MY

DOCTOR.

REGARDLESS... I HAVE MANY OTHER HEALTH PROBLEMS I AM FIGHTING, SO A LITTLE

LEARY OF SWITCHING MEDS... AGAIN... ; )

THANKS FOR ANY HELP.

BE WELL,

PAMELA

Puneet kumar <kumarpuneet2004@...> wrote:

Have a look at these..

http://citizensforjustice.org/wyeth/cruelty.html

http://www.hcgresources.com/HormoneHorrors.htm

http://www.astrudgilberto.com/animals.htm

Puneet

and Mark <koplyn@...> wrote: Gosh, that is just terrible!

How did you learn about this? Is this common knowledge to most people? I never

heard about it, and I read a lot, especially everything related to health...

And I took Premarin for some 20 years, starting in my forties, thinking it was

" good for my bones, my heart, and my libido " . That's what most doctors

prescribed in those days. The dark ages. Nobody even talked about

hypothyroidism, or thought to check for that. Looking at the list of symptoms

now, I know I've had several of them for years and years. Then after I started

to read about the possible risks and long term side effects of Premarin, I

stopped taking it a few years ago. My bone density is still just fine. I do

weight training, and various weight bearing aerobic exercises. Biking and

swimming are NOT weight bearing exercises. And of course I eat calcium rich

foods, and take supplements. I'm 68. My heart? There shouldn't be anything

wrong with that, since I've lived a very healthy lifestyle all my life. But

after I started taking Synthroid a few years ago, (my OB-GYN finally decided

to check my thyroid), I started having all sorts of palpitations. It really

scared me, and I have now been seeing a cardiologist regularly for years

because of that. He can't find anything wrong with my heart. Two years ago I

went to another doctor, who said stop the Synthroid, switch to Armour. I did

for a while, but the insurance wouldn't pay for it. So I switched to the

(cheaper) " generic armour " , is it really the same thing?

Re: has anyone else experienced the same

thing?!

yes the natural HC (hydrocortisone) is simply wonderful---the right

dose at

the right time is so important. I do think it would be helpful to

take 5mg

4X a day, taking last dose in the evening for sleep. Also I think

that now

you have DHEA and cortef you would be just fine taking Armour. If

someone

in US sends you something labeled " gift " , do you still have to pay

customs

fees?

Gracia

> First of all, I would like to thank all of you who encouraged me

to

insist

> on needing adrenal meds!

>

> I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed with me

that

> natural HC was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of Medrol a

day).

> So, he put me on 20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses (since I

got

10 mg

> tablets from the pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning with

breakfast,

> half a tablet (5 mg) at lunch and half a tablet in the afternoon),

> together with 15 mg of DHEA every morning to prevent osteoporosis

> (prescribed by Hertoghe).

>

> I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP (50 mg at

> bedtime), CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at bedtime). You

know,

you

> are so lucky in the US because you have it all...! I order all

this

stuff

> from the US and it arrives quickly and safely, but I have to pay

about 100

> USD customs fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel great,

better

than I

> have in a long time!

>

> But the best part of it is that since I am on natural HC, for the

first

> time in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was never able to

do that

> on synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or Armour...nor on

Medrol.

> It was not until I added natural HC to my regimen that things

started to

> happen...the other day, a colleague asked me how I managed to lose

so much

> weight and I did not know what to say...the truth is that I have

not

done

> anything, except live normally, eat what I've always eaten and

exercise

> 4-5 times a week...something which, until quite recently, was

quite

> useless!

>

> Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if anyone else

here has

> experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of a

difference?!

> Or is it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all those

> supplements?

>

> I also think that I have finally found the ideal combination of

thyroid

> drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of synthetic

T4.

More

> Armour means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4 means too

little

> T4. Has anyone else had excellent results combining meds; most

doctors

> seem to work exclusively with either synthetic or natural hormones

but, in

> my experience, a combination of the two can be equally

beneficial!

>

>

> Catarina

>

>

>

---------------------------------

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Hi,

Hashimoto's thyroiditis is a chronic inflammatory disorder of the thyroid

gland caused by abnormal blood antibodies and white blood cells attacking and

damaging thyroid cells. The end result of this so-called " autoimmune " attack is

that the immune system destroys the thyroid gland . However, in many patients,

sufficient thyroid reserve remains to prevent hypothyroidism.

The diagnosis of Hashimoto's thyroiditis is confirmed by finding high levels

of antibodies in the blood. These work against the patient's own thyroid

proteins.

There is some evidence that Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis can have a hereditary

link. If autoimmune diseases in general run in your family, you are at a higher

risk of developing one yourself.The exact cause is unknown.

Puneet

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hi Pam,

You asked if anyone knows how to get hashimoto, how do you get it? I have it

too, and would love to know how I got it!

Thanks so much!

Blessings,

PAMELA <PAMELA@...> wrote:

HELLO.

I HAVE NOT POSTED MUCH IN THIS GROUP, BUT I NOTICED THAT EVERYONE ALWAYS

TALKS ABOUT SYNTHROID AND ARMOUR.

I AM ON LEVOTHROID. I FEEL LIKE PERHAPS THE ONLY ONE...??? IS THERE A

REASON FOR THIS??? IS THERE SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW. I TAKE 125 TO 150 MCG AT

THIS POINT... DEPENDING ON WHAT MY TESTS READ. I WAS ALSO TAKING CYTOMEL (T3)

FOR CLARITY AND ENERGY AND TO SUPPORT THE LEVOTHROID AS MY BODY DOES NOT SEEM

TO CONVERT IT OR I NEED MORE, I AM NOT SURE. (MY NEW DOC TOOK ME OFF... HE

SAID IT WAS A NO NO, BUT I FELT SO GOOD) ANYWAY... IF ANYONE CAN SHED SOME

LIGHT ON THE LEVOTHROID. I AM INTERESTED.

P.S. I ALMOST DIED AFTER BEING MISDIAGNOSED, BUT I HAVE HASHIMOTO'S

THYROIDITIS. ANYONE KNOW HOW YOU GET IT??? I DO... I ENDED UP TELLING MY

DOCTOR.

REGARDLESS... I HAVE MANY OTHER HEALTH PROBLEMS I AM FIGHTING, SO A LITTLE

LEARY OF SWITCHING MEDS... AGAIN... ; )

THANKS FOR ANY HELP.

BE WELL,

PAMELA

Puneet kumar <kumarpuneet2004@...> wrote:

Have a look at these..

http://citizensforjustice.org/wyeth/cruelty.html

http://www.hcgresources.com/HormoneHorrors.htm

http://www.astrudgilberto.com/animals.htm

Puneet

and Mark <koplyn@...> wrote: Gosh, that is just

terrible! How did you learn about this? Is this common knowledge to most

people? I never heard about it, and I read a lot, especially everything

related to health... And I took Premarin for some 20 years, starting in my

forties, thinking it was " good for my bones, my heart, and my libido " . That's

what most doctors prescribed in those days. The dark ages. Nobody even talked

about hypothyroidism, or thought to check for that. Looking at the list of

symptoms now, I know I've had several of them for years and years. Then after

I started to read about the possible risks and long term side effects of

Premarin, I stopped taking it a few years ago. My bone density is still just

fine. I do weight training, and various weight bearing aerobic exercises.

Biking and swimming are NOT weight bearing exercises. And of course I eat

calcium rich foods, and take supplements. I'm 68. My heart? There

shouldn't be anything

wrong with that, since I've lived a very healthy lifestyle all my life. But

after I started taking Synthroid a few years ago, (my OB-GYN finally decided

to check my thyroid), I started having all sorts of palpitations. It really

scared me, and I have now been seeing a cardiologist regularly for years

because of that. He can't find anything wrong with my heart. Two years ago I

went to another doctor, who said stop the Synthroid, switch to Armour. I did

for a while, but the insurance wouldn't pay for it. So I switched to the

(cheaper) " generic armour " , is it really the same thing?

Re: has anyone else experienced the same

thing?!

yes the natural HC (hydrocortisone) is simply wonderful---the right

dose at

the right time is so important. I do think it would be helpful to

take 5mg

4X a day, taking last dose in the evening for sleep. Also I think

that now

you have DHEA and cortef you would be just fine taking Armour. If

someone

in US sends you something labeled " gift " , do you still have to pay

customs

fees?

Gracia

> First of all, I would like to thank all of you who encouraged me

to

insist

> on needing adrenal meds!

>

> I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed with me

that

> natural HC was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of Medrol a

day).

> So, he put me on 20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses (since I

got

10 mg

> tablets from the pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning with

breakfast,

> half a tablet (5 mg) at lunch and half a tablet in the afternoon),

> together with 15 mg of DHEA every morning to prevent osteoporosis

> (prescribed by Hertoghe).

>

> I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP (50 mg at

> bedtime), CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at bedtime). You

know,

you

> are so lucky in the US because you have it all...! I order all

this

stuff

> from the US and it arrives quickly and safely, but I have to pay

about 100

> USD customs fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel great,

better

than I

> have in a long time!

>

> But the best part of it is that since I am on natural HC, for the

first

> time in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was never able to

do that

> on synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or Armour...nor on

Medrol.

> It was not until I added natural HC to my regimen that things

started to

> happen...the other day, a colleague asked me how I managed to lose

so much

> weight and I did not know what to say...the truth is that I have

not

done

> anything, except live normally, eat what I've always eaten and

exercise

> 4-5 times a week...something which, until quite recently, was

quite

> useless!

>

> Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if anyone else

here has

> experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of a

difference?!

> Or is it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all those

> supplements?

>

> I also think that I have finally found the ideal combination of

thyroid

> drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of synthetic

T4.

More

> Armour means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4 means too

little

> T4. Has anyone else had excellent results combining meds; most

doctors

> seem to work exclusively with either synthetic or natural hormones

but, in

> my experience, a combination of the two can be equally

beneficial!

>

>

> Catarina

>

>

>

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Gosh, that is just

terrible! How did you learn about this? Is this common knowledge to

most people? I never heard about it, and I read a lot, especially

everything related to health... And I took Premarin for some 20

years, starting in my forties, thinking it was " good for my bones,

my heart, and my libido " . That's what most doctors prescribed in

those days. The dark ages. Nobody even talked about hypothyroidism,

or thought to check for that. Looking at the list of symptoms now, I

know I've had several of them for years and years. Then after I

started to read about the possible risks and long term side effects

of Premarin, I stopped taking it a few years ago. My bone density is

still just fine. I do weight training, and various weight bearing

aerobic exercises. Biking and swimming are NOT weight bearing

exercises. And of course I eat calcium rich foods, and take

supplements. I'm 68. My heart? There shouldn't be anything

> wrong with that, since I've lived a very healthy lifestyle all my

life. But after I started taking Synthroid a few years ago, (my OB-

GYN finally decided to check my thyroid), I started having all sorts

of palpitations. It really scared me, and I have now been seeing a

cardiologist regularly for years because of that. He can't find

anything wrong with my heart. Two years ago I went to another

doctor, who said stop the Synthroid, switch to Armour. I did for a

while, but the insurance wouldn't pay for it. So I switched to the

(cheaper) " generic armour " , is it really the same thing?

> Re: has anyone else experienced

the same

> thing?!

>

>

>

> yes the natural HC (hydrocortisone) is simply wonderful---

the right

> dose at

> the right time is so important. I do think it would be

helpful to

> take 5mg

> 4X a day, taking last dose in the evening for sleep. Also

I think

> that now

> you have DHEA and cortef you would be just fine taking

Armour. If

> someone

> in US sends you something labeled " gift " , do you still have

to pay

> customs

> fees?

> Gracia

>

>

> > First of all, I would like to thank all of you who

encouraged me

> to

> insist

> > on needing adrenal meds!

> >

> > I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed

with me

> that

> > natural HC was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of

Medrol a

> day).

> > So, he put me on 20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses

(since I

> got

> 10 mg

> > tablets from the pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning

with

> breakfast,

> > half a tablet (5 mg) at lunch and half a tablet in the

afternoon),

>

> > together with 15 mg of DHEA every morning to prevent

osteoporosis

> > (prescribed by Hertoghe).

> >

> > I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP

(50 mg at

> > bedtime), CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at

bedtime). You

> know,

> you

> > are so lucky in the US because you have it all...! I

order all

> this

> stuff

> > from the US and it arrives quickly and safely, but I have

to pay

> about 100

> > USD customs fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel

great,

> better

> than I

> > have in a long time!

> >

> > But the best part of it is that since I am on natural

HC, for the

> first

> > time in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was

never able to

> do that

> > on synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or

Armour...nor on

> Medrol.

> > It was not until I added natural HC to my regimen that

things

> started to

> > happen...the other day, a colleague asked me how I

managed to lose

> so much

> > weight and I did not know what to say...the truth is that

I have

> not

> done

> > anything, except live normally, eat what I've always

eaten and

> exercise

> > 4-5 times a week...something which, until quite recently,

was

> quite

> > useless!

> >

> > Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if

anyone else

> here has

> > experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of

a

> difference?!

> > Or is it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all

those

> > supplements?

> >

> > I also think that I have finally found the ideal

combination of

> thyroid

> > drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of

synthetic

> T4.

> More

> > Armour means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4

means too

> little

> > T4. Has anyone else had excellent results combining meds;

most

> doctors

> > seem to work exclusively with either synthetic or natural

hormones

> but, in

> > my experience, a combination of the two can be equally

> beneficial!

> >

> >

> > Catarina

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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NO generic Armour does not work as well as Armour. I think you should get

Armour which is cheap anyway, and oif course take enough for symptoms to go

away.

Gracia

Two years ago I went to another doctor, who said stop the Synthroid, switch

to Armour. I did for a while, but the insurance wouldn't pay for it. So I

switched to the (cheaper) " generic armour " , is it really the same thing?

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Thank you for that advice. I sure will give it a try, and report on it later.

Re: has anyone else experienced the same thing?!

NO generic Armour does not work as well as Armour. I think you should get

Armour which is cheap anyway, and oif course take enough for symptoms to go

away.

Gracia

Two years ago I went to another doctor, who said stop the Synthroid, switch

to Armour. I did for a while, but the insurance wouldn't pay for it. So I

switched to the (cheaper) " generic armour " , is it really the same thing?

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UNFORTUNATELY I WAS MISDIAGNOSED, SO THERE IS NO THYROID LEFT AS IT WAS

COMPLETELY DESTROYED.

I FOUND OUT BY SEARCHING NON STOP, IT TOOK ME A YEAR... IT IS CAUSED FROM

MERCURY POISONING.

I HAVE SO MANY STRANGE HEALTH PROBLEMS WHICH ARE UNRELATED AND NOT HEREDITARY

AND HAVE LEFT SO MANY DOCTORS DUMBFOUNDED... I EVEN WENT TO UCLA - TO THEIR

SPECIALISTS AND THEY HAD NO CURE AND TOLD ME THEY COULD NOT HELP ME.

MEANWHILE, I AM GETTING SICKER BY THE DAY... IN THE HOUSE FOR MONTHS ON END...

I HAD TO HAVE MY SON GO LIVE WITH HIS FATHER AS I COULD NOT CARE FOR HIM ANY

LONGER... I COULD GO ON AND ON...

I WAS ALSO (BY MY DOCTOR) THAT HASHIMOTO'S IS NOT HEREDITARY??? NO ONE IN MY

FAMILY HAS IT BUT ME.

IS ANYONE ELSE EXPERIENCING ANY OTHER PROBLEMS BESIDES THE HASHIMOTO'S???

BE WELL,

PAMELA

Puneet kumar <kumarpuneet2004@...> wrote:

Hi,

Hashimoto's thyroiditis is a chronic inflammatory disorder of the thyroid

gland caused by abnormal blood antibodies and white blood cells attacking and

damaging thyroid cells. The end result of this so-called " autoimmune " attack is

that the immune system destroys the thyroid gland . However, in many patients,

sufficient thyroid reserve remains to prevent hypothyroidism.

The diagnosis of Hashimoto's thyroiditis is confirmed by finding high levels

of antibodies in the blood. These work against the patient's own thyroid

proteins.

There is some evidence that Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis can have a hereditary

link. If autoimmune diseases in general run in your family, you are at a higher

risk of developing one yourself.The exact cause is unknown.

Puneet

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hi Pam,

You asked if anyone knows how to get hashimoto, how do you get it? I have it

too, and would love to know how I got it!

Thanks so much!

Blessings,

PAMELA <PAMELA@...> wrote:

HELLO.

I HAVE NOT POSTED MUCH IN THIS GROUP, BUT I NOTICED THAT EVERYONE ALWAYS

TALKS ABOUT SYNTHROID AND ARMOUR.

I AM ON LEVOTHROID. I FEEL LIKE PERHAPS THE ONLY ONE...??? IS THERE A

REASON FOR THIS??? IS THERE SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW. I TAKE 125 TO 150 MCG AT

THIS POINT... DEPENDING ON WHAT MY TESTS READ. I WAS ALSO TAKING CYTOMEL (T3)

FOR CLARITY AND ENERGY AND TO SUPPORT THE LEVOTHROID AS MY BODY DOES NOT SEEM

TO CONVERT IT OR I NEED MORE, I AM NOT SURE. (MY NEW DOC TOOK ME OFF... HE

SAID IT WAS A NO NO, BUT I FELT SO GOOD) ANYWAY... IF ANYONE CAN SHED SOME

LIGHT ON THE LEVOTHROID. I AM INTERESTED.

P.S. I ALMOST DIED AFTER BEING MISDIAGNOSED, BUT I HAVE HASHIMOTO'S

THYROIDITIS. ANYONE KNOW HOW YOU GET IT??? I DO... I ENDED UP TELLING MY

DOCTOR.

REGARDLESS... I HAVE MANY OTHER HEALTH PROBLEMS I AM FIGHTING, SO A LITTLE

LEARY OF SWITCHING MEDS... AGAIN... ; )

THANKS FOR ANY HELP.

BE WELL,

PAMELA

Puneet kumar <kumarpuneet2004@...> wrote:

Have a look at these..

http://citizensforjustice.org/wyeth/cruelty.html

http://www.hcgresources.com/HormoneHorrors.htm

http://www.astrudgilberto.com/animals.htm

Puneet

and Mark <koplyn@...> wrote: Gosh, that is just

terrible! How did you learn about this? Is this common knowledge to most

people? I never heard about it, and I read a lot, especially everything

related to health... And I took Premarin for some 20 years, starting in my

forties, thinking it was " good for my bones, my heart, and my libido " . That's

what most doctors prescribed in those days. The dark ages. Nobody even talked

about hypothyroidism, or thought to check for that. Looking at the list of

symptoms now, I know I've had several of them for years and years. Then after

I started to read about the possible risks and long term side effects of

Premarin, I stopped taking it a few years ago. My bone density is still just

fine. I do weight training, and various weight bearing aerobic exercises.

Biking and swimming are NOT weight bearing exercises. And of course I eat

calcium rich foods, and take supplements. I'm 68. My heart? There

shouldn't be anything

wrong with that, since I've lived a very healthy lifestyle all my life. But

after I started taking Synthroid a few years ago, (my OB-GYN finally decided

to check my thyroid), I started having all sorts of palpitations. It really

scared me, and I have now been seeing a cardiologist regularly for years

because of that. He can't find anything wrong with my heart. Two years ago I

went to another doctor, who said stop the Synthroid, switch to Armour. I did

for a while, but the insurance wouldn't pay for it. So I switched to the

(cheaper) " generic armour " , is it really the same thing?

Re: has anyone else experienced the same

thing?!

yes the natural HC (hydrocortisone) is simply wonderful---the right

dose at

the right time is so important. I do think it would be helpful to

take 5mg

4X a day, taking last dose in the evening for sleep. Also I think

that now

you have DHEA and cortef you would be just fine taking Armour. If

someone

in US sends you something labeled " gift " , do you still have to pay

customs

fees?

Gracia

> First of all, I would like to thank all of you who encouraged me

to

insist

> on needing adrenal meds!

>

> I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed with me

that

> natural HC was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of Medrol a

day).

> So, he put me on 20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses (since I

got

10 mg

> tablets from the pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning with

breakfast,

> half a tablet (5 mg) at lunch and half a tablet in the afternoon),

> together with 15 mg of DHEA every morning to prevent osteoporosis

> (prescribed by Hertoghe).

>

> I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP (50 mg at

> bedtime), CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at bedtime). You

know,

you

> are so lucky in the US because you have it all...! I order all

this

stuff

> from the US and it arrives quickly and safely, but I have to pay

about 100

> USD customs fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel great,

better

than I

> have in a long time!

>

> But the best part of it is that since I am on natural HC, for the

first

> time in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was never able to

do that

> on synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or Armour...nor on

Medrol.

> It was not until I added natural HC to my regimen that things

started to

> happen...the other day, a colleague asked me how I managed to lose

so much

> weight and I did not know what to say...the truth is that I have

not

done

> anything, except live normally, eat what I've always eaten and

exercise

> 4-5 times a week...something which, until quite recently, was

quite

> useless!

>

> Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if anyone else

here has

> experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of a

difference?!

> Or is it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all those

> supplements?

>

> I also think that I have finally found the ideal combination of

thyroid

> drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of synthetic

T4.

More

> Armour means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4 means too

little

> T4. Has anyone else had excellent results combining meds; most

doctors

> seem to work exclusively with either synthetic or natural hormones

but, in

> my experience, a combination of the two can be equally

beneficial!

>

>

> Catarina

>

>

>

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Hi Pam,

So, if mercury causes hashimoto, then what if one were to rid the body of

mercury, could this cause a spontaneous remission of hashi? I know how you

feel, I go through periods of depression, anxiety, and I am contantly having to

pull myself out of the pit!

I have blurred vision, food intolerances, etc. Hang in there, the doctors

misdiagnosed me too! Also, I know of noone in my family with the history!

Blessings!

PAMELA <PAMELA@...> wrote:

UNFORTUNATELY I WAS MISDIAGNOSED, SO THERE IS NO THYROID LEFT AS IT WAS

COMPLETELY DESTROYED.

I FOUND OUT BY SEARCHING NON STOP, IT TOOK ME A YEAR... IT IS CAUSED FROM

MERCURY POISONING.

I HAVE SO MANY STRANGE HEALTH PROBLEMS WHICH ARE UNRELATED AND NOT HEREDITARY

AND HAVE LEFT SO MANY DOCTORS DUMBFOUNDED... I EVEN WENT TO UCLA - TO THEIR

SPECIALISTS AND THEY HAD NO CURE AND TOLD ME THEY COULD NOT HELP ME.

MEANWHILE, I AM GETTING SICKER BY THE DAY... IN THE HOUSE FOR MONTHS ON END...

I HAD TO HAVE MY SON GO LIVE WITH HIS FATHER AS I COULD NOT CARE FOR HIM ANY

LONGER... I COULD GO ON AND ON...

I WAS ALSO (BY MY DOCTOR) THAT HASHIMOTO'S IS NOT HEREDITARY??? NO ONE IN MY

FAMILY HAS IT BUT ME.

IS ANYONE ELSE EXPERIENCING ANY OTHER PROBLEMS BESIDES THE HASHIMOTO'S???

BE WELL,

PAMELA

Puneet kumar <kumarpuneet2004@...> wrote:

Hi,

Hashimoto's thyroiditis is a chronic inflammatory disorder of the thyroid

gland caused by abnormal blood antibodies and white blood cells attacking and

damaging thyroid cells. The end result of this so-called " autoimmune " attack is

that the immune system destroys the thyroid gland . However, in many patients,

sufficient thyroid reserve remains to prevent hypothyroidism.

The diagnosis of Hashimoto's thyroiditis is confirmed by finding high levels

of antibodies in the blood. These work against the patient's own thyroid

proteins.

There is some evidence that Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis can have a hereditary

link. If autoimmune diseases in general run in your family, you are at a higher

risk of developing one yourself.The exact cause is unknown.

Puneet

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hi Pam,

You asked if anyone knows how to get hashimoto, how do you get it? I have it

too, and would love to know how I got it!

Thanks so much!

Blessings,

PAMELA <PAMELA@...> wrote:

HELLO.

I HAVE NOT POSTED MUCH IN THIS GROUP, BUT I NOTICED THAT EVERYONE ALWAYS

TALKS ABOUT SYNTHROID AND ARMOUR.

I AM ON LEVOTHROID. I FEEL LIKE PERHAPS THE ONLY ONE...??? IS THERE A

REASON FOR THIS??? IS THERE SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW. I TAKE 125 TO 150 MCG AT

THIS POINT... DEPENDING ON WHAT MY TESTS READ. I WAS ALSO TAKING CYTOMEL (T3)

FOR CLARITY AND ENERGY AND TO SUPPORT THE LEVOTHROID AS MY BODY DOES NOT SEEM

TO CONVERT IT OR I NEED MORE, I AM NOT SURE. (MY NEW DOC TOOK ME OFF... HE

SAID IT WAS A NO NO, BUT I FELT SO GOOD) ANYWAY... IF ANYONE CAN SHED SOME

LIGHT ON THE LEVOTHROID. I AM INTERESTED.

P.S. I ALMOST DIED AFTER BEING MISDIAGNOSED, BUT I HAVE HASHIMOTO'S

THYROIDITIS. ANYONE KNOW HOW YOU GET IT??? I DO... I ENDED UP TELLING MY

DOCTOR.

REGARDLESS... I HAVE MANY OTHER HEALTH PROBLEMS I AM FIGHTING, SO A LITTLE

LEARY OF SWITCHING MEDS... AGAIN... ; )

THANKS FOR ANY HELP.

BE WELL,

PAMELA

Puneet kumar <kumarpuneet2004@...> wrote:

Have a look at these..

http://citizensforjustice.org/wyeth/cruelty.html

http://www.hcgresources.com/HormoneHorrors.htm

http://www.astrudgilberto.com/animals.htm

Puneet

and Mark <koplyn@...> wrote: Gosh, that is just

terrible! How did you learn about this? Is this common knowledge to most

people? I never heard about it, and I read a lot, especially everything

related to health... And I took Premarin for some 20 years, starting in my

forties, thinking it was " good for my bones, my heart, and my libido " . That's

what most doctors prescribed in those days. The dark ages. Nobody even talked

about hypothyroidism, or thought to check for that. Looking at the list of

symptoms now, I know I've had several of them for years and years. Then after

I started to read about the possible risks and long term side effects of

Premarin, I stopped taking it a few years ago. My bone density is still just

fine. I do weight training, and various weight bearing aerobic exercises.

Biking and swimming are NOT weight bearing exercises. And of course I eat

calcium rich foods, and take supplements. I'm 68. My heart? There

shouldn't be anything

wrong with that, since I've lived a very healthy lifestyle all my life. But

after I started taking Synthroid a few years ago, (my OB-GYN finally decided

to check my thyroid), I started having all sorts of palpitations. It really

scared me, and I have now been seeing a cardiologist regularly for years

because of that. He can't find anything wrong with my heart. Two years ago I

went to another doctor, who said stop the Synthroid, switch to Armour. I did

for a while, but the insurance wouldn't pay for it. So I switched to the

(cheaper) " generic armour " , is it really the same thing?

Re: has anyone else experienced the same

thing?!

yes the natural HC (hydrocortisone) is simply wonderful---the right

dose at

the right time is so important. I do think it would be helpful to

take 5mg

4X a day, taking last dose in the evening for sleep. Also I think

that now

you have DHEA and cortef you would be just fine taking Armour. If

someone

in US sends you something labeled " gift " , do you still have to pay

customs

fees?

Gracia

> First of all, I would like to thank all of you who encouraged me

to

insist

> on needing adrenal meds!

>

> I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed with me

that

> natural HC was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg of Medrol a

day).

> So, he put me on 20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses (since I

got

10 mg

> tablets from the pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the morning with

breakfast,

> half a tablet (5 mg) at lunch and half a tablet in the afternoon),

> together with 15 mg of DHEA every morning to prevent osteoporosis

> (prescribed by Hertoghe).

>

> I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-HTP (50 mg at

> bedtime), CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at bedtime). You

know,

you

> are so lucky in the US because you have it all...! I order all

this

stuff

> from the US and it arrives quickly and safely, but I have to pay

about 100

> USD customs fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel great,

better

than I

> have in a long time!

>

> But the best part of it is that since I am on natural HC, for the

first

> time in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was never able to

do that

> on synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or Armour...nor on

Medrol.

> It was not until I added natural HC to my regimen that things

started to

> happen...the other day, a colleague asked me how I managed to lose

so much

> weight and I did not know what to say...the truth is that I have

not

done

> anything, except live normally, eat what I've always eaten and

exercise

> 4-5 times a week...something which, until quite recently, was

quite

> useless!

>

> Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if anyone else

here has

> experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much of a

difference?!

> Or is it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of all those

> supplements?

>

> I also think that I have finally found the ideal combination of

thyroid

> drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of synthetic

T4.

More

> Armour means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4 means too

little

> T4. Has anyone else had excellent results combining meds; most

doctors

> seem to work exclusively with either synthetic or natural hormones

but, in

> my experience, a combination of the two can be equally

beneficial!

>

>

> Catarina

>

>

>

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Pamela,

I have just joined this group and I'm so sorry to hear all these sad

testimonies of people on these synthetic drugs. I discovered two

years ago that I had Hashimoto's and have fought diligently not to

be dependant upon synthetic drugs or an allopathetic practitioner.

As time wore on, I relized that I needed some kind of help. I began

to search diligently for answers. My immunne system was being

attacked as I realized I felt better when I took Echinacea. I have

read somewhere that it might not be good for hypothyroid sufferers.

I only take it when I get a cold now. I kept searching as I knew I

couldn't stay on the high doses of Echinacea forever. Long story

short, I have found a great product that has selenium zinc and

ashwaghanda which help to convert the T-3 hormone to T-4. As a

result, my energy is back and my brain has lost fogginess. (I also

am looking into a product called Alvidar as it seems to have all the

herbs within it that I am taking.) If I forget to take it, I find

all kinds of symptoms that are associated with this disease. My

system just starts shutting down. I also drink a mixture of herbs

in the morning with either a little Red or American Ginsing. It

helps tremendously. Other herbs I take regularly are Gotu Kola

which helps with memory and clarity, Ginko Biloba which also helps

memory and recall. I try to exercise daily and it gets my

metabolism going as that is really what is needed. I'm looking into

enzymes right now with a company called Enzymedica. They have some

great products for fibromylgia sufferers and those with arthritis

and other symptoms associated with colon problems.

Another thought is that there are natureopathic doctors out there

and some on line who will take samples of your hair to determine if

there is toxic heavy metal poisioning. They charge anywhere from

150.00 to 200.00. (mercury, lead, cadmium, etc) I had two amalgam

fillings done about 5 years ago and I'm sure that they have

contributed to my problem as mercury destroys thyroid function. I

am looking into the possibility of getting them removed as soon as I

am financially able. The strange diseases sounds like, from what

I've read, to be toxic heavy-metal poisioning.

I hope this information helps someone....I've sure done enough

searching and experimenting with this thing :-).

Blessings!

bknb4

-- In hypothyroidism , PAMELA <PAMELA@...> wrote:

>

> UNFORTUNATELY I WAS MISDIAGNOSED, SO THERE IS NO THYROID LEFT AS

IT WAS COMPLETELY DESTROYED.

>

> I FOUND OUT BY SEARCHING NON STOP, IT TOOK ME A YEAR... IT IS

CAUSED FROM MERCURY POISONING.

>

> I HAVE SO MANY STRANGE HEALTH PROBLEMS WHICH ARE UNRELATED AND

NOT HEREDITARY AND HAVE LEFT SO MANY DOCTORS DUMBFOUNDED... I EVEN

WENT TO UCLA - TO THEIR SPECIALISTS AND THEY HAD NO CURE AND TOLD ME

THEY COULD NOT HELP ME.

>

> MEANWHILE, I AM GETTING SICKER BY THE DAY... IN THE HOUSE FOR

MONTHS ON END... I HAD TO HAVE MY SON GO LIVE WITH HIS FATHER AS I

COULD NOT CARE FOR HIM ANY LONGER... I COULD GO ON AND ON...

>

> I WAS ALSO (BY MY DOCTOR) THAT HASHIMOTO'S IS NOT

HEREDITARY??? NO ONE IN MY FAMILY HAS IT BUT ME.

>

> IS ANYONE ELSE EXPERIENCING ANY OTHER PROBLEMS BESIDES THE

HASHIMOTO'S???

>

> BE WELL,

>

> PAMELA

>

> Puneet kumar <kumarpuneet2004@...> wrote:

> Hi,

> Hashimoto's thyroiditis is a chronic inflammatory disorder of

the thyroid gland caused by abnormal blood antibodies and white

blood cells attacking and damaging thyroid cells. The end result of

this so-called " autoimmune " attack is that the immune system

destroys the thyroid gland . However, in many patients, sufficient

thyroid reserve remains to prevent hypothyroidism.

>

> The diagnosis of Hashimoto's thyroiditis is confirmed by

finding high levels of antibodies in the blood. These work against

the patient's own thyroid proteins.

>

> There is some evidence that Hashimoto's Thyroiditis can have a

hereditary link. If autoimmune diseases in general run in your

family, you are at a higher risk of developing one yourself.The

exact cause is unknown.

>

> Puneet

>

> and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote: Hi Pam,

> You asked if anyone knows how to get hashimoto, how do you get

it? I have it too, and would love to know how I got it!

> Thanks so much!

> Blessings,

>

> PAMELA <PAMELA@...> wrote:

> HELLO.

>

> I HAVE NOT POSTED MUCH IN THIS GROUP, BUT I NOTICED THAT

EVERYONE ALWAYS TALKS ABOUT SYNTHROID AND ARMOUR.

>

> I AM ON LEVOTHROID. I FEEL LIKE PERHAPS THE ONLY ONE...???

IS THERE A REASON FOR THIS??? IS THERE SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW. I

TAKE 125 TO 150 MCG AT THIS POINT... DEPENDING ON WHAT MY TESTS

READ. I WAS ALSO TAKING CYTOMEL (T3) FOR CLARITY AND ENERGY AND TO

SUPPORT THE LEVOTHROID AS MY BODY DOES NOT SEEM TO CONVERT IT OR I

NEED MORE, I AM NOT SURE. (MY NEW DOC TOOK ME OFF... HE SAID IT

WAS A NO NO, BUT I FELT SO GOOD) ANYWAY... IF ANYONE CAN SHED SOME

LIGHT ON THE LEVOTHROID. I AM INTERESTED.

>

> P.S. I ALMOST DIED AFTER BEING MISDIAGNOSED, BUT I HAVE

HASHIMOTO'S THYROIDITIS. ANYONE KNOW HOW YOU GET IT??? I DO...

I ENDED UP TELLING MY DOCTOR.

>

> REGARDLESS... I HAVE MANY OTHER HEALTH PROBLEMS I AM

FIGHTING, SO A LITTLE LEARY OF SWITCHING MEDS... AGAIN... ; )

>

> THANKS FOR ANY HELP.

>

> BE WELL,

>

> PAMELA

>

> Puneet kumar <kumarpuneet2004@...> wrote:

> Have a look at these..

>

> http://citizensforjustice.org/wyeth/cruelty.html

> http://www.hcgresources.com/HormoneHorrors.htm

> http://www.astrudgilberto.com/animals.htm

>

> Puneet

>

> and Mark <koplyn@...> wrote: Gosh, that is just

terrible! How did you learn about this? Is this common knowledge

to most people? I never heard about it, and I read a lot,

especially everything related to health... And I took Premarin

for some 20 years, starting in my forties, thinking it was " good

for my bones, my heart, and my libido " . That's what most doctors

prescribed in those days. The dark ages. Nobody even talked about

hypothyroidism, or thought to check for that. Looking at the list

of symptoms now, I know I've had several of them for years and

years. Then after I started to read about the possible risks and

long term side effects of Premarin, I stopped taking it a few

years ago. My bone density is still just fine. I do weight

training, and various weight bearing aerobic exercises. Biking and

swimming are NOT weight bearing exercises. And of course I eat

calcium rich foods, and take supplements. I'm 68. My heart? There

> shouldn't be anything

> wrong with that, since I've lived a very healthy lifestyle all

my life. But after I started taking Synthroid a few years ago,

(my OB-GYN finally decided to check my thyroid), I started having

all sorts of palpitations. It really scared me, and I have now

been seeing a cardiologist regularly for years because of that.

He can't find anything wrong with my heart. Two years ago I went

to another doctor, who said stop the Synthroid, switch to Armour.

I did for a while, but the insurance wouldn't pay for it. So I

switched to the (cheaper) " generic armour " , is it really the same

thing?

> Re: has anyone else

experienced the same

> thing?!

>

>

>

> yes the natural HC (hydrocortisone) is simply wonderful--

-the right

> dose at

> the right time is so important. I do think it would be

helpful to

> take 5mg

> 4X a day, taking last dose in the evening for sleep.

Also I think

> that now

> you have DHEA and cortef you would be just fine taking

Armour. If

> someone

> in US sends you something labeled " gift " , do you still

have to pay

> customs

> fees?

> Gracia

>

>

> > First of all, I would like to thank all of you who

encouraged me

> to

> insist

> > on needing adrenal meds!

> >

> > I have now been in touch with Dr. Hertoghe who agreed

with me

> that

> > natural HC was probably what I needed (instead of 2 mg

of Medrol a

> day).

> > So, he put me on 20 HC/day to be split in 3 or 4 doses

(since I

> got

> 10 mg

> > tablets from the pharmacy, I take 1 tablet in the

morning with

> breakfast,

> > half a tablet (5 mg) at lunch and half a tablet in the

afternoon),

>

> > together with 15 mg of DHEA every morning to prevent

osteoporosis

> > (prescribed by Hertoghe).

> >

> > I have also followed Hertoghe's advice and added 5-

HTP (50 mg at

> > bedtime), CoQ10 (100 mg daily) and melatonin (at

bedtime). You

> know,

> you

> > are so lucky in the US because you have it all...! I

order all

> this

> stuff

> > from the US and it arrives quickly and safely, but I

have to pay

> about 100

> > USD customs fees...anyway, never mind, because I feel

great,

> better

> than I

> > have in a long time!

> >

> > But the best part of it is that since I am on natural

HC, for the

> first

> > time in years, I can lose weight effortlessly. I was

never able to

> do that

> > on synthetic T4, nor on Novothyral (Thyrolar) or

Armour...nor on

> Medrol.

> > It was not until I added natural HC to my regimen that

things

> started to

> > happen...the other day, a colleague asked me how I

managed to lose

> so much

> > weight and I did not know what to say...the truth is

that I have

> not

> done

> > anything, except live normally, eat what I've always

eaten and

> exercise

> > 4-5 times a week...something which, until quite

recently, was

> quite

> > useless!

> >

> > Of course I am thrilled, but I would like to know if

anyone else

> here has

> > experienced this? Can natural HC really make that much

of a

> difference?!

> > Or is it the 5-HTP or the CoQ10 or the combination of

all those

> > supplements?

> >

> > I also think that I have finally found the ideal

combination of

> thyroid

> > drugs...30 mg of Armour a day together with 150 mcg of

synthetic

> T4.

> More

> > Armour means too much T3 for me, and less synthetic T4

means too

> little

> > T4. Has anyone else had excellent results combining

meds; most

> doctors

> > seem to work exclusively with either synthetic or

natural hormones

> but, in

> > my experience, a combination of the two can be equally

> beneficial!

> >

> >

> > Catarina

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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PAMELA,

You wrote:

> ... I NOTICED THAT EVERYONE

> ALWAYS TALKS ABOUT SYNTHROID AND ARMOUR.

>

> I AM ON LEVOTHROID. ...

Synthroid and Levothroid are brand names for synthetic T4, slightly

different formulations. The active ingredient in both is levothyroxine

sodium, which is the generic name for both. I believe the Levothroid

leaves out the sugar. You can look up the exact ingredients (inactive

additives) on the web.

Chuck