Shelia....Re: Kat - Intro and questions

[Guest guest]

hi Kat,

I posted some information to Keisha last night about insulin resistance. Here's

the link to my post. You can check it out and see if it sounds like you.

hypothyroidism/message/12133

did you have some abnormal labs as far as insulin or glucose levels? if you have

the results, do you mind to post them? What symptoms are you having?

i am on Armour also...just switched almost 6 weeks ago. I was taking levoxyl and

cytomel.

i don't know about the adrenal support thing. i wonder about the same for

myself, but i'm not the kind of person who feels comfortable taking anything

without talking to my doctor. i'm hoping to get some adrenal tests done in the

next few weeks.

have you had any adrenal tests done to check your hormone levels?

take care. Hugs, sheila

katmidg <kattmid@...> wrote:

Hi Shelia...to be quite honest, I have just now started researching

insulin resistance/diabetes and dont' even know what the symptoms

would be....

Kat

> Hi, I belong to a couple of hypo groups but have been reading here

> and it seems you have a lot of info here as well.

>

> This is my story...I was diagnosed hypo in 2000 by OBGYN when we

were

> trying to conceive. went on levoxyl...got preg and had to increase

a

> couple of times during pregnancy. After the birth, I felt okay

> (after getting my labs, I realized that was the lowest my levels

had

> been since being diagnosed). Anyway, within a short period of

time,

> I started feelign the same ole' hypo symtoms....OBGYN diagnosed

post

> partum depression and put me on celexa. I kept feeling BAD and

about

> a year later, decided to take things in my own hands...started

> reseraching, found out he was keeping me on a level of meds to keep

> my TSH 2.5 or a little above. From what I was reading, that was

not

> optimal, so I found an endo that would prescribe Armour. Went to

him

> Dec 4, 2003. Was placed on 1 1/4 grains Armour and told to come

back

> in 8 wks. I called twice saying that I felt worse and he did not

> listen so I made an appt and saw him at 5-6 wks so I could tell him

> face to face....that was yesterday (jan 23). I wanted to increase

> meds and he wanted blood work first. These are my levels as of the

> last two draws

>

> 12-4-03 (I was on .75mcg levoxyl at this draw)

> TSH - 2.5 (range .35 - 5.5)

> FT4 - 1.3 (range 0 - 1.9)

> FT3 - 3.2 (range 2.3 - 4.2)

> Antibodies were normal

>

> 1-20-04 (on 1 1/4 grains armour at his draw)

> TSH - 2.914 same range

> FT4 - 1.02

> FT3 - 3.3

>

> I felt somewhat validated and wanted to poke him in the chest and

> say...you want to go by numbers? do you believe I don't feel any

> better now? But I refrained! He increased Armour to 1 3/4 grains

> per day. He is a very kind and attentive doc and I don't think I am

> interested in changing docs at this point. He did not hesitate to

> order FT3and FT4 sayign that you can't tell the whole story without

> those tests. He also said he goes by symptoms as well.

>

> Questions: Obviously I was not on enough Armour to bring TSH down

> but FT3 basically did not change either. FT4 went down slightly.

Is

> this indicative of anything other than not on enough meds? Is

their

> any correlation between Diabetes II and thyroid conditions. He

wants

> to do a insulin resistance (I think) test in 6 wks and I noticed he

> order liver enzyme test as well. I need to do some research I

know,

> but just curious. (I read the liver thing after he had left so did

> not have a chance to ask him).

>

> Would it be wise to start on some kind of adrenal support? I

started

> using progesteron briefly before AF and will start back next week.

> Any other suggestions?

>

> Sorry this is so long....am looking forward to getting involved

here.

> Kat in NC

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Shelia, I have not had any insulin testing at all. The endo just

ordered it and I am suppose to have it in six weeks along with my

thyroid labs. I am not having symptoms that I know of except for

hypo symptoms. I will have to do some reading as far as symptoms

regarding blood sugar levels. I have no idea!

How are you feeling on Armour. It sounds as if we switched about teh

same time. What is your dosage? No, I have not had any adrenal

testing...from what I am reading tho, taking Isocort can not really

have any negative affects....someone correct me if I am wrong. It

can only help correct?

Anyway, thanks for the link....I will pull it up.

Kat

> > Hi, I belong to a couple of hypo groups but have been reading

here

> > and it seems you have a lot of info here as well.

> >

> > This is my story...I was diagnosed hypo in 2000 by OBGYN when we

> were

> > trying to conceive. went on levoxyl...got preg and had to

increase

> a

> > couple of times during pregnancy. After the birth, I felt okay

> > (after getting my labs, I realized that was the lowest my levels

> had

> > been since being diagnosed). Anyway, within a short period of

> time,

> > I started feelign the same ole' hypo symtoms....OBGYN diagnosed

> post

> > partum depression and put me on celexa. I kept feeling BAD and

> about

> > a year later, decided to take things in my own hands...started

> > reseraching, found out he was keeping me on a level of meds to

keep

> > my TSH 2.5 or a little above. From what I was reading, that was

> not

> > optimal, so I found an endo that would prescribe Armour. Went to

> him

> > Dec 4, 2003. Was placed on 1 1/4 grains Armour and told to come

> back

> > in 8 wks. I called twice saying that I felt worse and he did not

> > listen so I made an appt and saw him at 5-6 wks so I could tell

him

> > face to face....that was yesterday (jan 23). I wanted to increase

> > meds and he wanted blood work first. These are my levels as of

the

> > last two draws

> >

> > 12-4-03 (I was on .75mcg levoxyl at this draw)

> > TSH - 2.5 (range .35 - 5.5)

> > FT4 - 1.3 (range 0 - 1.9)

> > FT3 - 3.2 (range 2.3 - 4.2)

> > Antibodies were normal

> >

> > 1-20-04 (on 1 1/4 grains armour at his draw)

> > TSH - 2.914 same range

> > FT4 - 1.02

> > FT3 - 3.3

> >

> > I felt somewhat validated and wanted to poke him in the chest and

> > say...you want to go by numbers? do you believe I don't feel any

> > better now? But I refrained! He increased Armour to 1 3/4

grains

> > per day. He is a very kind and attentive doc and I don't think I

am

> > interested in changing docs at this point. He did not hesitate

to

> > order FT3and FT4 sayign that you can't tell the whole story

without

> > those tests. He also said he goes by symptoms as well.

> >

> > Questions: Obviously I was not on enough Armour to bring TSH

down

> > but FT3 basically did not change either. FT4 went down

slightly.

> Is

> > this indicative of anything other than not on enough meds? Is

> their

> > any correlation between Diabetes II and thyroid conditions. He

> wants

> > to do a insulin resistance (I think) test in 6 wks and I noticed

he

> > order liver enzyme test as well. I need to do some research I

> know,

> > but just curious. (I read the liver thing after he had left so

did

> > not have a chance to ask him).

> >

> > Would it be wise to start on some kind of adrenal support? I

> started

> > using progesteron briefly before AF and will start back next

week.

> > Any other suggestions?

> >

> > Sorry this is so long....am looking forward to getting involved

> here.

> > Kat in NC

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Kat, Yeah, Armour has made a big difference; however, it hasn't seemed to

help me with the brain fog and memory problems. I'm hoping an increase will do

the trick though.

My motivation seems to have increased as well. Even while starting back to

school, I have managed to learn some new software (at least the basics of it) so

I can do some graphic art, as well as turn my photography into abstrast art. I

had been wanting to do that for a long time but just never had enough nerves to

sit down and actually try it.

This past though, faced with tremendous stress, I just had to have a creative

outlet to deal with a lot of emotions, so I guess that was the impetus.

Last night my husband installed a new software for me (again for doing my

abstract art), and he and I sat down and figured it out together. I had fun

playing with it. I'm going to take what I did in one software, and then add a

bunch of layers in another. I was going to do it last night, but I just wanted

to veg out.

Glad to hear your motivation is increasing. Hopefully soon it'll happen for you.

You'll be motivated and you'll have enough momemtum to carry you through to the

next level of actually doing whatever it is you want to do. maybe the increase

in medication will help.

take care, sheila

katmidg <kattmid@...> wrote:

It sounds as if Armour has made a huge difference for you in a short

amount of time...that is great!

AS far as the changes I have seen....very little. I started on one

grain of Armour, my doc's nurse called about two weeks later and

asked if I was feeling any better, and I told her not at all. So she

called back and said to increase 3/4 grain. She said to take 45 mg

in the morning and 60 at night. I thought that was odd, but she said

that was right. So about a week after that I started feeling some

energy! I thought this stuff is really gonna work. However when I

called to get the prescription of 1 3/4 grains filled, the doc called

me back and said that he did not increse that much that he only

increased in 1/4 grain. I argued with him, he kept saying that I

could not increase that much...so I finally agreed to drop back

down. Hypo symptoms returned big time! So...when I went back,

(numbers were in my favor) and I told him I felt worse. So he

increased it back to 1 3/4 grains. That was only Friday....so no

change yet really.

But I have noticed that my motivation has increased. Just seeing

things I want to do, not actually getting them done though! When

I was on the higher dose briefly, I was wanting to be outside with

the kids, pushing them in the swings etc....I want so much to feel

better for them too ya know? I want them to have memories of a fun

mom, not one who felt like crap all of the time. I do play with

them, but not like I played with my older one when he was younger. I

also work out of our home....I am an adoptions social worker and

contract with two private agencies and do homestudies for people

wanting to adopt. I need my energy...I need the clarity of my

brain!

AS for the ice, snow or whatever, I live on the south eastern coast

near Wilmington, NC. All we got was a 1/4 inch of ice. So schools

are closed and we won't be going anywhere today. We don't get

alot of snow or ice here so when it comes it shuts down everything! I

would love to see a good snow!

Take care,

Kat

> > > Hi Kat & welcome! do you have symptoms of insulin resistance?

> > >

> > > i was told if you have a problem in the endocrine system,

usually

> > the other parts of the endocrine system are affected as well.

> > >

> > > that's definitely the case with me. i'm borderline

> > diabetic...trying to keep it at bay.

> > >

> > > Take care and keep in touch, sheila

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >