Guest guest Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 thank you...I think I may need to start making a decision on some supplements (it's been since Feb. & I still haven't decided...I know it's crazy but it feels overwhelming trying to make the right decision. Silly me.) Anyway, thanks. It might help to take something. sheila --- krys e <mountaintosky@...> wrote: > I found some info on adrenals on the following site, > perhaps it help. > > www.greenwillowtree.com > > blessings, > k > > tina83862 <tina8386@...> wrote: > > > Shelia I am a bit worried about you, these symptoms > sound like you > are becoming more adrenal insufficent than less, > what do you take > now? What kinds of drugs, supplements? Have you > looked at the > websites. I would say my daugher was not severe but > moderate adrenal > fatigue with low thyroid imbalance, some of the > symptoms you are > describing are more on the addision crisis -- > http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/endo/pubs/addison/addison.htm > > > http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/programsevere.php > > > http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp > > look into these pages and get back to us on all your > symptoms and > drugs that you take--maybe we can all put our heads > together and lead > you to the right doctor and or help. > > la does have headaches but not migraines and > advil does work > for her when she gets one. She ususally gets them > when she forgets > her supplements, her body is so sensitive to her > drugs, and when she > forgets them she will get a headache. This has > happened a few times > now. > > The adrenal glandulars are working out well, we are > almost ready to > decrease one of the dosages down from two pills > (twice a day) down to > one a day --we will change things around once we get > the new thyroid > glandulars in the mail. > > tina > > > > > > > -- In hypothyroidism , " Kemal And > Sheila Kalajdzic " > wrote: > > I have a question for those of you in here who has > problems with > > adrenal insufficiency, adrenal fatigue, etc. I was > doing some > > reading about adrenal fatigue symptoms, and at the > top of the > > symptom list was migraines. I'm curious if any of > you all have had > > severe migraines also. If you don't have the > problem yourself but > > know of someone who does, would you also let me > know. (Tina, does > > your daughter get bad migraines?) > > > > It also listed many other symptoms I had when I > this 7 day > migraine > > over the past week. The one which made no sense > was high fever (my > > body temp was 95 degrees when I went to the doc > Monday) so maybe > I'm > > barking completely up the wrong tree. > > > > Anyway, some of the other symptoms were nausea, > vomiting, abdominal > > pain, low blood pressure and it said skin lesion. > Weird because I > > had all those. That skin lesion just popped out > from no where. Last > > night I noticed I had one about 3 inches from the > other skin lesion > > that was there last week--came from no where--but > now it's almost > > gone. Could be completely unrelated. > > > > Anyway, when I was reading about Prednisone, it > said this steroid > is > > used to treat a lot of autoimmune disorders and > also thyroid gland > > inflammation. > > > > I'll be curious to talk to my neuro about this > Friday. > > > > Take care all and have a great day. Sheila > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 I get the best hormone info from the pharmacists at http://www.womensinternational They know more than my Broda doc. Gracia > I wrote to the people at www.progesterone.com and ask them to substantiate > their claims about progesterone cream. I never heard from them. > > Val in Boulder, CO > > -----Original Message----- > From: tina83862 [mailto:tina8386@...] > > http://www.progesterone.com/hypothyroidism.html > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 A good doc who is knowledgeable and has some clinical skills would not need to do lots of testing on her! She needs a med with T3 and adrenal support. If she doesn't get good treatment now she will end up with lots of " diseases " . Gracia > http://www.progesterone.com/hypothyroidism.html > > I am totally annoyed that any doctor could try and guess at your > problems without first doing a female panel on you--You could be > lacking in either estrogen or progesterone or both, they will both > cause this terrible drying that you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 who cares about the antibody level. that would not make a difference in the way he would treat her anyway. I forgot she is taking some T3, still think Armour would be better. Her adrenals are screaming for help. This is what happens to so many of us, every symptom is a different " disease " with a different drug treatment. No wonder our disease care system is so expensive. Gracia This doctor was your typical what he learned in > med school back in 1970's type of doc, except I shouldn't be so hard > on him, he was willing to give her armour--but of course without > having checked her antibody level!!!! UGGG > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 Right. My doc says she *chooses* not to test antibodies anymore, after she has the Hashi's diagnosis. She said that all it does is stress the patient, if there is a rise in the level, cause they keep trying to find what is the cause of it in their environment, lifestyle, etc. when in fact it is just the normal progression of the disease or other factors they can't control. And stress is even worse for the antibodies... Jan > > who cares about the antibody level. that would not make a difference in the > way he would treat her anyway. I forgot she is taking some T3, still think > Armour would be better. Her adrenals are screaming for help. This is what > happens to so many of us, every symptom is a different " disease " with a > different drug treatment. No wonder our disease care system is so > expensive. > Gracia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 You know as well I have learned that not every Hashi's patient with this many allergies as Shelia has can take armour, with all her other conditions I would not want to throw her body into more reactions. Her synthoid works for her, the t3 works for her. Maybe she needs more of this medication? Or yes maybe she needs to figure out and support her adrenals more, that is obvious with all these allergies, but having be the go between many a doctors order and patient, in the case with Shelia she has to find out for herself, she is not one to just do what she is told. And with all her conditions I would be much too afraid to tell her not to take her asthma medication or to switch to armour until she knows exactly what is going on with her. And we have discussed this, you may be 100% right that she needs armour and it may work wonders for her as well as cortisol, but she is not the type of patient that is going to just try these things-- she had a hard enough time trying vitamin supplements. With some patients they just have to be ready to change you can't force them to change until they know exactly what is going on. This is the type of patient Shelia is. She is also the type that believes in her doctors and has to learn for herself. I think she has made wonderful progress. I would love to see what is going on with her females as well. Can't believe she is allergic to those hormones too. She has a lot going on big time and we all know that and so does she, what she needs from all of us is gentle support, real information and knowledge so she can talk to her doctors and get to the bottom of her illnesses. As a lay person I can only use my past experience to help but I can't tell her what to do, only suggest. > > who cares about the antibody level. that would not make a difference in the > way he would treat her anyway. I forgot she is taking some T3, still think > Armour would be better. Her adrenals are screaming for help. This is what > happens to so many of us, every symptom is a different " disease " with a > different drug treatment. No wonder our disease care system is so > expensive. > Gracia > > > This doctor was your typical what he learned in > > med school back in 1970's type of doc, except I shouldn't be so hard > > on him, he was willing to give her armour--but of course without > > having checked her antibody level!!!! UGGG > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 No I don't know this!!! Actually no thyroid med will work for her until she gets adrenals treated. Gracia > You know as well I have learned that not every Hashi's patient with > this many allergies as Shelia has can take armour, with all her other > conditions I would not want to throw her body into more reactions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 We have had one poster go into detail how she is allergic to armour. I have read at least 4 or more people say they can't take it with hashi's and I know I have posted info on this as well. But you are 100% right for those patients who have to keep on increasing their thyroid meds they have to look into adrenals, we all have mentioned this many times over. But today's doctors just keep on increasing their dose instead of searching for why they are getting worse. > No I don't know this!!! Actually no thyroid med will work for her until > she gets adrenals treated. > Gracia > > > You know as well I have learned that not every Hashi's patient with > > this many allergies as Shelia has can take armour, with all her other > > conditions I would not want to throw her body into more reactions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 thanks...I sent for an information packet. sheila --- Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > should be http://www.womensinternational.com > they are great. > Gracia > > > hi, when I clicked on this link, it said " page > cannot > > be displayed. " i'll try it again later. thanks, > sheila > > --- Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > > > > > I get the best hormone info from the pharmacists > at > > > http://www.womensinternational They know more > than > > > my Broda doc. > > > Gracia > > > > > > > I wrote to the people at www.progesterone.com > and > > > ask them to substantiate > > > > their claims about progesterone cream. I > never > > > heard from them. > > > > > > > > Val in Boulder, CO > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: tina83862 [mailto:tina8386@...] > > > > > > > > > http://www.progesterone.com/hypothyroidism.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 Thanks so much, Tina! Half of my birthday was spent travelling...had some yucky weather, but made it home fine. Once we got home, we went out to dinner, where we stuffed ourselves like little piggies. Then we were couch potatoes...kicked back on the sofa and watched a movie!! It was wonderful!!! Did you get to see la and on thanksgiving? Hope you had a nice one! Thanks again!!! Hugs, Sheila tina83862 <tina8386@...> wrote: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!! hope you have a wonderful day with hubby!!!! tina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 First off I am so happy you tell us all of this---it prepares everyone for what can happen in a doctor's office, I made sure I sent a copy to M right away!!! I want to thank-you for being so open with your health so everyone can learn what doctors can do to us. And how most of all important how being in the know can help us tackle their ineptness. " he said he would recommend taking me off T3 and upping my T4. I previously had gotten up to 100 mcgs of Levoxyl. He said he would have me slowly go off the T3 and then slowly keep upping my Levoxyl until we found the point where my symptoms started to disappear. He said if I continued to feel bad on just the T4, even at the higher dosage, then he would say go back to the low dose of T3 since it seems to be helping me. " This thought of his made no sense whatsoever---didn't Chuck just tell us that you can overdose on T4 alone?? And that it can cause heart problems and this guy is telling you to up your T4 to higher levels while telling you that your heart is in great shape?? He should be looking at other things and test you for your adrenals. Obviously he is not aware of I found it today a name for you types that have a low tsh, low 4 and low t3----they still think it's secondary or pitutiary or another word was teitiary hypothyroidism---- here is the excerpt from Dr. Mercola's site ---- Q.You describe something called secondary or tertiary hypothyroidism, where TSH is below 1.5 and Free T3 (and possibly the Free T4 as well) is below normal. How does this differ from primary hypothyroidism? Are there different causes for these different types of hypothyroidism? A. These are forms of hypothyroidism that are not directly due to the thyroid gland failing. Traditional viewpoints would classify this as pituitary or hypothalamus dysfunction. However, there are far more common reasons for this that tend to be primarily related to the adrenal gland. My experience has been that the bulk of individuals who have thyroid impairment with the new TSH criteria above 1.5, are in fact related to adrenal insufficiency. Other causes of thyroid dysfunction would be related to an impairment of the body's ability to convert T4 to T3 (the active form of thyroid hormone). This is generally related to depressed DHEA levels. However, one must be very careful to not use DHEA without first measuring levels of other hormones, especially testosterone. DHEA given as supplement can clearly cause more harm than good if it is not needed. I find that the best way to analyze these imbalances is through salivary hormone testing and I find Dr. Timmins's lab Bio Health Diagnostics (1-800-570-2000) to be the lab that most accurately and cost effectively can asses these hormone rhythms through their testing panels. I have found the testing useful to diagnose myself with a mild case of secondary hypothyroidism. My TSH was below 1.5 but my main symptom was severe cold intolerance to Chicago winters, which has become progressively worse over the years. Once I went on sublingual DHEA and pregnenolone, my aversion to the winter was not due to the cold, but only the diminished sunlight. Now Dr. Mercola thinks above 1.5 tsh --but I bet it can be below it as well. Because that is what M has---same as you low tsh, low t4 and low t3. And has some adrenal problems as well.--have to run---phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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