Re: Conceiving while not quite well

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Hopefully this doesn't sound rude but I wonder why anyone would want to

conceive a baby when their health is not in balance? Being pg drains your

body even when you are healthy as do labor and raising a baby/child...it is

a lot of work...it whacks your hormones like crazy, lol..I am very pro

baby...I loved being pg, giving birth and raising children...but it is

taxing even in the best of times...the ideal in my mind would be to be in a

state of balanced health for a good year with an optimum diet and exercise

program and feeling well and full of life...before conceiving.

I doubt that it's a mistake that the female body has a difficult time

getting pregnant and carrying to full term while severely out of balance???

Just a thought...

)

Re: New to group

> i have been " not not trying " for 5 years and have had no luck in

conceiving

[Guest guest]

Forgot to mention, you are aware that maternal hypothyroidism is a

big contributor to lower infant IQ. If you receive proper treatment,

your TSH will drop and your baby will be normal. But you must

receive treatment because 20 is too high a number. In this case, it

is a blessing that you get the opportunity to correct the situation.

I do hope all goes well, you get better, and then do have that

healthy baby

Sherry

-- In hypothyroidism , " Melancholy Muse "

<MelancholyMuse@e...> wrote:

> Hopefully this doesn't sound rude but I wonder why anyone would

want to conceive a baby when their health is not in balance? Being pg

drains your . . .

[Guest guest]

well sosem of us will always be out of balance

Re: New to group

>

>

> > i have been " not not trying " for 5 years and have had no luck in

> conceiving

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know...but you understand what I mean ? Right? Believe me I have never

been in " perfect health " or " complete balance " myself...what I am saying is

that adding a pregnancy and a child into the picture will add new stressors

into your life & to your health...or lack of health.....I was 18 when I had

my first baby...36 on my last one...and they both came with different issues

for me...I had more patients as an older Mom...but less energy, etc..I guess

that's what life is about...our personal choices...and living with our

decisions..we all do the best that we can with what we have.

My very best to you...

Re: Conceiving while not quite well

> well sosem of us will always be out of balance

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, almost the same here. I was 19 with son #1 and 37 with my daughter (I

also had a son at age 33) For me, it is a case of God having a sick sense of

humor. My oldest was a very mellow child, back when I was young and full of

energy. My younger two both have adhd, so you can imagine the challanges.

They also were both premature (most likely, in hindsight, because of thyroid

related issues) and prematurity has a high likelihood of adhd and/or other

neurological disorders *sigh*. Granted I wouldn't trade them for the world,

but looking back I wish I had been more insistent, proactive when dealing

with my own health. So it goes. Coulda shoulda woulda...no help in the now,

other than what it can offer to those who walk in similar footsteps.

Re: Conceiving while not quite well

> I know...but you understand what I mean ? Right? Believe me I have never

> been in " perfect health " or " complete balance " myself...what I am saying

is

> that adding a pregnancy and a child into the picture will add new

stressors

> into your life & to your health...or lack of health.....I was 18 when I

had

> my first baby...36 on my last one...and they both came with different

issues

> for me...I had more patients as an older Mom...but less energy, etc..I

guess

> that's what life is about...our personal choices...and living with our

> decisions..we all do the best that we can with what we have.

>

> My very best to you...

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[Guest guest]

well it wasnt ME that was trying heh and i am 28 (theres also a fact you

will have a 30% less chance of cancer if you have a baby before 30).... i

just dont use protectiona nd just happen to never have gotten preganant when

all my friends go off borth control 1 day and get pregnant THAT day.. just

definately a sign of hypo.. I was reading that ppl with hashi disease have a

50% chance of losing the baby IF they can get pregnant.. also if its going

to take years to get pregnant might not be bad to not wait till your 40 or

50 to start trying. I know I personally could NOT take care of a baby right

now but thats ME

Re: Conceiving while not quite well

>

>

> > well sosem of us will always be out of balance

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

(theres also a fact you

will have a 30% less chance of cancer if you have a baby before 30)

Wow, I've never heard that - where did you hear that? and where did you

hear about hashi's having 50% chance of losing the baby. I conceived pretty

easily and had THE BEST pregnancy of anyone I know. I was really lucky of

course.... Thankfully, my 19 month old is really healthy and happy!

Best,

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From: " Girlie " <kckim@...>

Reply-hypothyroidism

<hypothyroidism >

Subject: Re: Conceiving while not quite well

Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:52:00 -0700

well it wasnt ME that was trying heh and i am 28 (theres also a fact you

will have a 30% less chance of cancer if you have a baby before 30).... i

just dont use protectiona nd just happen to never have gotten preganant when

all my friends go off borth control 1 day and get pregnant THAT day.. just

definately a sign of hypo.. I was reading that ppl with hashi disease have a

50% chance of losing the baby IF they can get pregnant.. also if its going

to take years to get pregnant might not be bad to not wait till your 40 or

50 to start trying. I know I personally could NOT take care of a baby right

now but thats ME

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is a wit on the news ill go look it up and send it to you

Re: Conceiving while not quite well

> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:52:00 -0700

>

> well it wasnt ME that was trying heh and i am 28 (theres also a fact you

> will have a 30% less chance of cancer if you have a baby before 30).... i

> just dont use protectiona nd just happen to never have gotten preganant

when

> all my friends go off borth control 1 day and get pregnant THAT day.. just

> definately a sign of hypo.. I was reading that ppl with hashi disease have

a

> 50% chance of losing the baby IF they can get pregnant.. also if its going

> to take years to get pregnant might not be bad to not wait till your 40 or

> 50 to start trying. I know I personally could NOT take care of a baby

right

> now but thats ME

>

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Hypothyroidism: Maternal complications of untreated hypothyroidism include

microcytic anemia, preeclampsia, placental abruption, postpartum hemorrhage,

cardiac dysfunction, and miscarriage. Fetal or neonatal complications

include prematurity, stillbirths, and poor neurologic development.

http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic3261.htm

(sorry ill look more later having a bladder flare )

Re: Conceiving while not quite well

> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:52:00 -0700

>

> well it wasnt ME that was trying heh and i am 28 (theres also a fact you

> will have a 30% less chance of cancer if you have a baby before 30).... i

> just dont use protectiona nd just happen to never have gotten preganant

when

> all my friends go off borth control 1 day and get pregnant THAT day.. just

> definately a sign of hypo.. I was reading that ppl with hashi disease have

a

> 50% chance of losing the baby IF they can get pregnant.. also if its going

> to take years to get pregnant might not be bad to not wait till your 40 or

> 50 to start trying. I know I personally could NOT take care of a baby

right

> now but thats ME

>

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[Guest guest]

I wish that there were more facts for us...there's a lady on one of my

hormone lists...hasn't had a period for 5 years...went on progesterone cream

via her doctor and started spotting/period...she's 60 I think...lord I

wonder if she could get pg? I wouldn't be too thrilled to go 5 years

without " my little friend " and then poof..have to hit the AM/PM mini mart

for some cotton canoes...lol..

E. but not Topper ) Maybe I'll just write in Oregon...

Re: Conceiving while not quite well

> (theres also a fact you

> will have a 30% less chance of cancer if you have a baby before 30)

>

> Wow, I've never heard that - where did you hear that? and where did you

> hear about hashi's having 50% chance of losing the baby. I conceived

pretty

> easily and had THE BEST pregnancy of anyone I know. I was really lucky of

> course.... Thankfully, my 19 month old is really healthy and happy!

> Best,

>

[Guest guest]

I conceived pretty easily, but had a high-risk pregnancy. After the baby was

born, I decided I didn't want to do it again.

K a r e n P <karlynn17@...> wrote:(theres also a fact you

will have a 30% less chance of cancer if you have a baby before 30)

Wow, I've never heard that - where did you hear that? and where did you

hear about hashi's having 50% chance of losing the baby. I conceived pretty

easily and had THE BEST pregnancy of anyone I know. I was really lucky of

course.... Thankfully, my 19 month old is really healthy and happy!

Best,

----Original Message Follows----

From: " Girlie "

Reply-hypothyroidism

To:

Subject: Re: Conceiving while not quite well

Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:52:00 -0700

well it wasnt ME that was trying heh and i am 28 (theres also a fact you

will have a 30% less chance of cancer if you have a baby before 30).... i

just dont use protectiona nd just happen to never have gotten preganant when

all my friends go off borth control 1 day and get pregnant THAT day.. just

definately a sign of hypo.. I was reading that ppl with hashi disease have a

50% chance of losing the baby IF they can get pregnant.. also if its going

to take years to get pregnant might not be bad to not wait till your 40 or

50 to start trying. I know I personally could NOT take care of a baby right

now but thats ME

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[Guest guest]

you are so right, but sadly OBGYN docs are worse than thyroid docs in this

country. It is not rocket science to get healthy before we get pregnant,

but most docs don't have a clue how to support health. They concentrate on

managing disease. I have yet to hear of an OBGYN who knows anything about

hormones, BIZARRE. One woman on these lists was pregnant and kept telling

her doc she was sick and thought it was hormonal (it was thyroid related),

but the doc told her she didn't deal with hormones. OMG.

Gracia

> Hopefully this doesn't sound rude but I wonder why anyone would want to

> conceive a baby when their health is not in balance? Being pg drains your

> body even when you are healthy as do labor and raising a baby/child...it

is

> a lot of work...it whacks your hormones like crazy, lol..I am very pro

> baby...I loved being pg, giving birth and raising children...but it is

> taxing even in the best of times...the ideal in my mind would be to be in

a

> state of balanced health for a good year with an optimum diet and exercise

> program and feeling well and full of life...before conceiving.

> I doubt that it's a mistake that the female body has a difficult time

> getting pregnant and carrying to full term while severely out of

balance???

> Just a thought...

>

> )

>

> Re: New to group

>

>

> > i have been " not not trying " for 5 years and have had no luck in

> conceiving

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This subject is one that I feel no one should sit in judgement on--

otherwise we should all have genetic screening and that would

eliminate at least what 50% of the population from having children

not to mention those that have children and abuse them.

Everyone knows we should be in our best health and we should all try

and achieve that and it's more difficult with thyroid but to deny

anyone from having a child because of a possiblity would be wrong.

Too many great people would not have been born if we did selective

genetic screening!

> well sosem of us will always be out of balance

>

>

> Re: New to group

> >

> >

> > > i have been " not not trying " for 5 years and have had no luck

in

> > conceiving

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

you are right but there is a lot of mythology surrounding genetics. We can

all be healthy and have healthy children, no matter what our genetic

background is. A huge determinant of health is uterine environment, and

that means health of mother plus proper nutrition.

Gracia

> This subject is one that I feel no one should sit in judgement on--

> otherwise we should all have genetic screening and that would

> eliminate at least what 50% of the population from having children

> not to mention those that have children and abuse them.

>

> Everyone knows we should be in our best health and we should all try

> and achieve that and it's more difficult with thyroid but to deny

> anyone from having a child because of a possiblity would be wrong.

>

> Too many great people would not have been born if we did selective

> genetic screening!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > well sosem of us will always be out of balance

> >

> >

> > Re: New to group

> > >

> > >

> > > > i have been " not not trying " for 5 years and have had no luck

> in

> > > conceiving

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

where at in oregon?

Re: Conceiving while not quite well

>

>

> > (theres also a fact you

> > will have a 30% less chance of cancer if you have a baby before 30)

> >

> > Wow, I've never heard that - where did you hear that? and where did you

> > hear about hashi's having 50% chance of losing the baby. I conceived

> pretty

> > easily and had THE BEST pregnancy of anyone I know. I was really lucky

of

> > course.... Thankfully, my 19 month old is really healthy and happy!

> > Best,

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's not what I said...at all. I did not judge anyone. I was talking

about people that can barely get out of bed each day & care for their day to

day duties...due to their lack of energy...because of being hypo...no where

did I say genetic screening....that's a big stretch on my words.. I said get

well first and then get pg...I didn't say get your IQ tested first...or your

genes.

Re: Conceiving while not quite well

> This subject is one that I feel no one should sit in judgement on--

> otherwise we should all have genetic screening and that would

> eliminate at least what 50% of the population from having children

> not to mention those that have children and abuse them.

>

> Everyone knows we should be in our best health and we should all try

> and achieve that and it's more difficult with thyroid but to deny

> anyone from having a child because of a possiblity would be wrong.

>

> Too many great people would not have been born if we did selective

> genetic screening!

> > > Hopefully this doesn't sound rude but I wonder why anyone would

> want to

> > > conceive a baby when their health is not in balance? Being pg

> drains your

> > > body even when you are healthy as do labor and raising a

> baby/child...it

> > is

> > > a lot of work...it whacks your hormones like crazy, lol..I am

> very pro

> > > baby...I loved being pg, giving birth and raising children...but

> it is

> > > taxing even in the best of times...the ideal in my mind would be

> to be in

> > a

> > > state of balanced health for a good year with an optimum diet and

> exercise

> > > program and feeling well and full of life...before conceiving.

> > > I doubt that it's a mistake that the female body has a difficult

> time

> > > getting pregnant and carrying to full term while severely out of

> > balance???

> > > Just a thought...

> > >

> > > )

[Guest guest]

<clapping hands!> yes! Read some of the old Adele books...If a parent

is sick with hypo and conceives their baby has a good chance of being even

" sicker " which is sad & I feel unfair to the baby...If someone didn't know

that they were sick and conceived that's a bit different in my mind...but to

try to get pg while you can barely get through each day is so unfair to all

concerned...and doesn't make any sense....I'm not judging anyone by that

either...just trying to understand it.

Re: Re: Conceiving while not quite well

>

> you are right but there is a lot of mythology surrounding genetics. We

can

> all be healthy and have healthy children, no matter what our genetic

> background is. A huge determinant of health is uterine environment, and

> that means health of mother plus proper nutrition.

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

true...and if their clocks are ticking on top of it...

hugs, sheila

Girlie <kckim@...> wrote:

well sosem of us will always be out of balance

Re: New to group

>

>

> > i have been " not not trying " for 5 years and have had no luck in

> conceiving

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am actually concerned with post-pregnancy. I am just afraid that I

would go seriously hypo after it (since you need to reduce dosages

during pregnancy) and then how on earth am I gonna do my job and take

care of a newborn? Since I don't have any sane relatives that could help

living nearby (only my mom, and she doesn't fill the " sane "

requirement), I have decided not to try at all. I would adopt if they'd

let me, though.

Jan

Re: Conceiving while not quite well

Hopefully this doesn't sound rude but I wonder why anyone would want to

conceive a baby when their health is not in balance? Being pg drains

your body even when you are healthy as do labor and raising a

baby/child...it is a lot of work...it whacks your hormones like crazy,

lol..I am very pro baby...I loved being pg, giving birth and raising

children...but it is taxing even in the best of times...the ideal in my

mind would be to be in a state of balanced health for a good year with

an optimum diet and exercise program and feeling well and full of

life...before conceiving. I doubt that it's a mistake that the female

body has a difficult time getting pregnant and carrying to full term

while severely out of balance??? Just a thought...

)

[Guest guest]

There are other options besides family (I also don't have any familial

support). One thing one could do if they are in that situation is to save up

for a doula before getting pg, so that way it is already budgeted in when

baby arrives. Personally I don't have any experience with a doula, but I

have heard wonderful things and heck the job description itself sounds

wonderful, I just couldn't afford one (my babies weren't planned). If

doula's only do 6 week contracts, you may need to have enough saved for 2

six week contracts, just to be on the safe side, and hopefully the

additional six weeks would be enough for med's to kick in.

Ideally a doula would make it so that your first six weeks are just about

loving your new baby, as the doula would take care of all other

responsibilities. Also plan for some counseling incase the regular

depression that comes with being hypo is compounded by baby blues. I think

it is quite doable, if you set up your support system in advance. Friends

can also be a good source of support if you have good friends around you,

that understand your medical situation and are willing to be there for you.

And heck, no shame in choosing not to have children, if that is your choice.

Just wanted to post some ideas in case you were wanting to, but felt

defeated.

RE: Conceiving while not quite well

> I am actually concerned with post-pregnancy. I am just afraid that I

> would go seriously hypo after it (since you need to reduce dosages

> during pregnancy) and then how on earth am I gonna do my job and take

> care of a newborn? Since I don't have any sane relatives that could help

> living nearby (only my mom, and she doesn't fill the " sane "

> requirement), I have decided not to try at all. I would adopt if they'd

> let me, though.

>

> Jan

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[Guest guest]

You know, I think that just because the world may seem an awful place, it is not

enough of an excuse not to bring a child into the world if you really want one.

I had my child while I was hypo and on Synthroid, back in the 80's, before the

TSH test was really much in use. I didn't reduce my dosage, and had a 10-pound

kid that appeared to be three months old at birth. However, she turned out

fine. She is 16 now, a lovely girl, and a B plus student in high school with

lots of friends. She has no health problems, not even thyroid, for which there

is a strong family history and for which she is checked often since birth. I

wasn't hypo during the pregnancy, or after it. The only effect, I think, was

the size of the baby, but she was also overdue, and that may have contributed.

RE: Conceiving while not quite well

> I am actually concerned with post-pregnancy. I am just afraid that I

> would go seriously hypo after it (since you need to reduce dosages

> during pregnancy) and then how on earth am I gonna do my job and take

> care of a newborn? Since I don't have any sane relatives that could help

> living nearby (only my mom, and she doesn't fill the " sane "

> requirement), I have decided not to try at all. I would adopt if they'd

> let me, though.

>

> Jan

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Thanks . Yeah, if I had more money I could even hire our cleaning

lady to come daily, she is a wonderful person and I trust her

completely. But my biggest fear really is getting too sick to work -

paranoid, but I've been in that position before. If I lost my job, the

finances wouldn't be good enough to allow me to raise a child, so how

can I get pregnant thinking that that will happen to me? I am terrified

of changing my dosage now that I am on full replacement.

I've looked into regular adoptions and don't qualify, but I plan on

looking into open adoption in the future. The advantage is now that I've

decided I won't try to get pregnant (I don't think it was supposed to

happen, I haven't used birth control in quite a while, but gonna start

again soon), there is no biological clock ticking.

Jan

Re: Conceiving while not quite well

There are other options besides family (I also don't have any familial

support). One thing one could do if they are in that situation is to

save up for a doula before getting pg, so that way it is already

budgeted in when baby arrives. Personally I don't have any experience

with a doula, but I have heard wonderful things and heck the job

description itself sounds wonderful, I just couldn't afford one (my

babies weren't planned). If doula's only do 6 week contracts, you may

need to have enough saved for 2 six week contracts, just to be on the

safe side, and hopefully the additional six weeks would be enough for

med's to kick in.

Ideally a doula would make it so that your first six weeks are just

about loving your new baby, as the doula would take care of all other

responsibilities. Also plan for some counseling incase the regular

depression that comes with being hypo is compounded by baby blues. I

think it is quite doable, if you set up your support system in advance.

Friends can also be a good source of support if you have good friends

around you, that understand your medical situation and are willing to be

there for you.

And heck, no shame in choosing not to have children, if that is your

choice. Just wanted to post some ideas in case you were wanting to, but

felt defeated.

[Guest guest]

I am just a bit paranoid that I will be selfish enough to get pregnant,

and then I will be sick, and too sick to care for a baby, too sick for

work, lose my job, then I have no money to raise the baby I just had...

Crazy, I know that on a rational level, but having been invalid already

from this disease has me on a " I can't get sick or I will be fired and

never find work again " paranoia I can't get rid of. Cause when I was

untreated I did get too sick to work, and did get fired, and what do you

know, I couldn't find work again - cause I couldn't explain the gap in

the resume and cause people who fired me knew people who were supposed

to hire me and although there were 3 million people in my city, it felt

like they all happened to be best friends. So I had to move halfway

across the country to find work again, and move fields as well.

Jan

Re: Conceiving while not quite well

You know, I think that just because the world may seem an awful place,

it is not enough of an excuse not to bring a child into the world if you

really want one. I had my child while I was hypo and on Synthroid, back

in the 80's, before the TSH test was really much in use. I didn't

reduce my dosage, and had a 10-pound kid that appeared to be three

months old at birth. However, she turned out fine. She is 16 now, a

lovely girl, and a B plus student in high school with lots of friends.

She has no health problems, not even thyroid, for which there is a

strong family history and for which she is checked often since birth. I

wasn't hypo during the pregnancy, or after it. The only effect, I

think, was the size of the baby, but she was also overdue, and that may

have contributed.