Re: Need t3/t4 help

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

I was on Armour. Something in it did not agree with me.....I felt so awful

on it.....tried many dosages.....I didn't care if I lived or died. I was on

T3 only before....up to 75 mcg. when I went hyper and had to go completely off

it. The thing about my current doc is that he refuses to do any blood work. I

had my PCP do it....that's the only way I know what my levels are. I think

going up to 120 mg of t3 is dangerous of 20 mg is giving me a near normal

reading.

Dee

[Guest guest]

well I don't think that was such bad advice. Usually we have to crawl on

our bellies like a reptile to get enough T3. But I don't take those meds,

I take Armour.

Gracia

> Hi! I am currently on 75mg levoxyl/15 mg cytomel. Recent test results show

> both free t3 and free t4 a little below normal. Should I increase the

levoxyl or

> the cytomel? My last doc told me to increase the cytomel by 5 mg weekly

all

> the way up to 120 mg if needed. Needless to say I did not do that and am

> looking for a new doc. Thanks for any help you can give me.

> Dee

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

So Peatfield says your need for cortisol is by your DHEA levels. What if my Dhea

is low normal (in the normal range)? Normal is normal is normal to the lab and

physican. Yet may be sub normal for me in the normal range? Optimal is not the

same as normal.

Chris

Re: Need t3/t4 help

well I don't think that was such bad advice. Usually we have to crawl on

our bellies like a reptile to get enough T3. But I don't take those meds,

I take Armour.

Gracia

> Hi! I am currently on 75mg levoxyl/15 mg cytomel. Recent test results show

> both free t3 and free t4 a little below normal. Should I increase the

levoxyl or

> the cytomel? My last doc told me to increase the cytomel by 5 mg weekly

all

> the way up to 120 mg if needed. Needless to say I did not do that and am

> looking for a new doc. Thanks for any help you can give me.

> Dee

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Try it! How old are you? I like the 7-keto 50mg but be sure to look for

pharmaceutical grade.

Gracia

> So Peatfield says your need for cortisol is by your DHEA levels. What if

my Dhea is low normal (in the normal range)? Normal is normal is normal to

the lab and physican. Yet may be sub normal for me in the normal range?

Optimal is not the same as normal.

>

[Guest guest]

I am 37 years old now.

Re: Need t3/t4 help

Try it! How old are you? I like the 7-keto 50mg but be sure to look for

pharmaceutical grade.

Gracia

> So Peatfield says your need for cortisol is by your DHEA levels. What if

my Dhea is low normal (in the normal range)? Normal is normal is normal to

the lab and physican. Yet may be sub normal for me in the normal range?

Optimal is not the same as normal.

>

[Guest guest]

What??? He told you to increase the Cytomel up to 120 mgs., if needed???!!! He's

nuts!!!

No wonder you're not going to continue seeing him!!!

Are you taking the 15 mcg of Cytomel once or twice a day?

take care, sheila

dm12420@... wrote:

Hi! I am currently on 75mg levoxyl/15 mg cytomel. Recent test results show

both free t3 and free t4 a little below normal. Should I increase the levoxyl or

the cytomel? My last doc told me to increase the cytomel by 5 mg weekly all

the way up to 120 mg if needed. Needless to say I did not do that and am

looking for a new doc. Thanks for any help you can give me.

Dee

[Guest guest]

,

I tried Ken Blanchard's ratio and it left me with more hypo symptoms. I'm

feeling better now than I was before but still suffering with many hypo

symptoms. Thanks for your input.

Dee

[Guest guest]

Sheila,

I'm taking it once a day. I've tried the twice and day and it didn't seem

to make a difference. Will the t4 level stay the same if I increase only t3.

Is it true the t3 needs to be at a higher range than the t4?

Thanks for your input,

Dee

[Guest guest]

Hi Dee!

I've just finished reading What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About

Hypothyroidism, A Simple Plan for Extraordinary Results, by Ken Blanchard,

forward by J. Shomon.

Here's an excerpt from his philosophy on T/4 & T/3:

" The Hypothyroid Body Needs More Than Most Doctors Think

It is my belief that the majority of people with hypothyroidism need more than

T4 supplementation. They also need T3 (and quite possibly the other Ts supplied

only by natural thyroid). And the body requires these two hormones in

physiologic doses that address deficits both in the thyroid glad and at the

tissue level.

Based on close observation of thousands of patients, through twenty-five years

of fine tuning their doses, I arrived at the 2 percent solution: a physiologic

ratio of 98 percent T4 and 2 percent T3. "

Based on his formula - looks like your ratio is off -- may be too much T3? But,

are you at your optimum thyroid level to begin with??? How are you " feeling " ?

Need t3/t4 help

Hi! I am currently on 75mg levoxyl/15 mg cytomel. Recent test results show

both free t3 and free t4 a little below normal. Should I increase the levoxyl

or

the cytomel? My last doc told me to increase the cytomel by 5 mg weekly all

the way up to 120 mg if needed. Needless to say I did not do that and am

looking for a new doc. Thanks for any help you can give me.

Dee

[Guest guest]

Hi Dee!

I've just finished reading What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About

Hypothyroidism, A Simple Plan for Extraordinary Results, by Ken Blanchard,

forward by J. Shomon.

Here's an excerpt from his philosophy on T/4 & T/3:

" The Hypothyroid Body Needs More Than Most Doctors Think

It is my belief that the majority of people with hypothyroidism need more than

T4 supplementation. They also need T3 (and quite possibly the other Ts supplied

only by natural thyroid). And the body requires these two hormones in

physiologic doses that address deficits both in the thyroid glad and at the

tissue level.

Based on close observation of thousands of patients, through twenty-five years

of fine tuning their doses, I arrived at the 2 percent solution: a physiologic

ratio of 98 percent T4 and 2 percent T3. "

Based on his formula - looks like your ratio is off -- may be too much T3? But,

are you at your optimum thyroid level to begin with??? How are you " feeling " ?

Need t3/t4 help

Hi! I am currently on 75mg levoxyl/15 mg cytomel. Recent test results show

both free t3 and free t4 a little below normal. Should I increase the levoxyl

or

the cytomel? My last doc told me to increase the cytomel by 5 mg weekly all

the way up to 120 mg if needed. Needless to say I did not do that and am

looking for a new doc. Thanks for any help you can give me.

Dee

[Guest guest]

Hi Dee, Everyone's body reacts differently, so it's hard to know what will be

best for you.

I don't know if your T4 levels will stay the same if you increase only the T3;

however, I can tell you what happened with my body.

My T4 levels never stayed the same...even when I was on the same dosage of

T4/T3. The pattern I had was while I was on the same dosage of T4/T3, the T4

levels continued to drop. I started the combo in June 2003, and my T4 levels

were in the middle range. By Dec, my T4 level was in the normal range...but on

the low end.

I started taking Armour in Dec. and this has been great for me...much better

than the synthetics. I know you can't take Armour though. Anyway, I cut this

from the Armour site. This is their ratio of T4 to T3:

The ratio of T4 to T3 equals 4.22:1 (4.22 parts of T4 to one part of T3).

I believe I've always read that the ratio for T4 to T3 should be that the T4

should be at a higher. I know there are some folks with FM or 's that

don't go by this protocol. I think with 's they use all T3. Those with FM

seem to do well on Armour. if they're not on Armour, I'm thinking they may need

a higher ratio of T3.

I can't remember your situation and background too much, Dee. Sorry. I do kinda

remember you were having a lot of problems finding the right dose and that your

doc wasn't too helpful.

take care. Hugs, Sheila

dm12420@... wrote:

Sheila,

I'm taking it once a day. I've tried the twice and day and it didn't seem

to make a difference. Will the t4 level stay the same if I increase only t3.

Is it true the t3 needs to be at a higher range than the t4?

Thanks for your input,

Dee

[Guest guest]

I didn't understand that he wanted you to go up to 120 mcg of T3. I

understood that he said add 5mcg every week until you find what works for

you. The reason you had trouble on Armour and are having trouble now is

that you need adrenal hormones. (cortef) I would think this doc might know

about that?

Gracia

> Gracia,

> I was on Armour. Something in it did not agree with me.....I felt so

awful

> on it.....tried many dosages.....I didn't care if I lived or died. I was

on

> T3 only before....up to 75 mcg. when I went hyper and had to go completely

off

> it. The thing about my current doc is that he refuses to do any blood

work. I

> had my PCP do it....that's the only way I know what my levels are. I think

> going up to 120 mg of t3 is dangerous of 20 mg is giving me a near normal

> reading.

> Dee

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your thyroid gland is a small gland, normally weighing less than one

ounce, located in the front of the neck. It is made up of two halves,

called lobes, that lie along the windpipe (trachea) and are joined

together by a narrow band of thyroid tissue, known as the isthmus.

The thyroid is situated just below your " apple " or larynx.

During development (inside the womb) the thyroid gland originates in

the back of the tongue, but it normally migrates to the front of the

neck before birth. Sometimes it fails to migrate properly and is

located high in the neck or even in the back of the tongue (lingual

thyroid) This is very rare. At other times it may migrate too far and

ends up in the chest (this is also rare).

The function of the thyroid gland is to take iodine, found in many

foods, and convert it into thyroid hormones: thyroxine (T4) and

triiodothyronine (T3). Thyroid cells are the only cells in the body

which can absorb iodine. These cells combine iodine and the amino

acid tyrosine to make T3 and T4. T3 and T4 are then released into the

blood stream and are transported throughout the body where they

control metabolism (conversion of oxygen and calories to energy).

Every cell in the body depends upon thyroid hormones for regulation

of their metabolism. The normal thyroid gland produces about 80% T4

and about 20% T3, however, T3 possesses about four times the

hormone " strength " as T4.

The thyroid gland is under the control of the pituitary gland, a

small gland the size of a peanut at the base of the brain (shown here

in orange). When the level of thyroid hormones (T3 & T4) drops too

low, the pituitary gland produces Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH)

which stimulates the thyroid gland to produce more hormones. Under

the influence of TSH, the thyroid will manufacture and secrete T3 and

T4 thereby raising their blood levels. The pituitary senses this and

responds by decreasing its TSH production. One can imagine the

thyroid gland as a furnace and the pituitary gland as the thermostat.

Thyroid hormones are like heat. When the heat gets back to the

thermostat, it turns the thermostat off. As the room cools (the

thyroid hormone levels drop), the thermostat turns back on (TSH

increases) and the furnace produces more heat (thyroid hormones).

The pituitary gland itself is regulated by another gland, known as

the hypothalamus(shown in our picture in light blue). The

hypothalamus is part of the brain and produces TSH Releasing Hormone

(TRH) which tells the pituitary gland to stimulate the thyroid gland

(release TSH). One might imagine the hypothalamus as the person who

regulates the thermostat since it tells the pituitary gland at what

level the thyroid should be set.

[Guest guest]

Anybody know how to deal with reactive hypoglycemia, always weak and hungry,

panicky, agitated, edgy, and irritable. Is this ALL adrenal? Or digestive?

Eating doesn't seem to resolve it very easily. I have maldigestion and

malabsorption problems. Digestion problems. LIke my body isn't utilizing food

very well. My body is overstressed. Always in flight and fight all the time.

Chris

Re: Need t3/t4 help

well I don't think that was such bad advice. Usually we have to crawl on

our bellies like a reptile to get enough T3. But I don't take those meds,

I take Armour.

Gracia

> Hi! I am currently on 75mg levoxyl/15 mg cytomel. Recent test results show

> both free t3 and free t4 a little below normal. Should I increase the

levoxyl or

> the cytomel? My last doc told me to increase the cytomel by 5 mg weekly

all

> the way up to 120 mg if needed. Needless to say I did not do that and am

> looking for a new doc. Thanks for any help you can give me.

> Dee

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

what everyone really needs to do is realize that these problems are a

multiple list of symptoms and they need multiple, constant, ever

changing supplements.

So what does this mean---you need to go after all the problems at

once and keep on trying different supplements and drugs on top of

changing them when your symptoms change.

For example --adrenal problems are hypoglycemic in nature, they are

also reflective of many allergies--also body is not getting enough

oxygen as well--and where does all of this start---the answer is you

are lacking something or many things all at once.

Digestive problems need digestive enzymes to start--then you need to

add vitamins to your diet everyday---doesn't work if it's only once

in awhile--you need to sleep and you need to think---I need to heal,

rest, breathe, exercise and eat enough to get better.

As far as testing goes I am all for it but at the same time as you

wait you wither at the vine--you will only get worse if you think

there is a doctor who is willing to do all the correct testing and to

know exactly what you need--because there is no such treatment or

place---because everyone has a different problem associated with this

disease and muliple diseases that tag along or are a result of.

for example we know yeast is a big one with hypo--didn't know that

before--also allergies, skin rashes, hair falling out---ect. ect.

ect. If you think one doctor is going to have the one pill to fix

everything you are mistaken and if you wait for a test group to find

your answer you will be waiting forever because with the mulitude of

different problems and possiblities there will not be that perfect

test group, so as you wait you will get lupus, or MS or any other

auto-immune disease---or you will get adreanl problems with your

thyroid or you will get other side effects from the drugs you are

taking---(notice no side effects with armour vs. synthetics) (from

one of my posts)---or become diabetic--this is not something you can

just wait around hoping someone gives a dam.

you are in the middle of over cortisol production---these are

every symptom---you know all the sites, what to take what to do---no

one needs a doctor to help them--it's all there in every site what to

take or try and how to find out---

drrind.com

drlam.com

adrenalfatigue.org

ithryoid.com

all the answers are out there and what you have to do is put yourself

into the best hands that you know of and that my friends is your

own!!!

get the testing done if you need too--figure out what is wrong if you

can and go to doctors if you can afford it---but do not stop trying

and wait for something to happen--because your life is in your own

hands!!!! change doctors if one is not working---give him books, info-

-whatever it takes--or do what I do and DO IT MYSELF!!!!

If I waited my daughter would not be in school, she would not be

doing better, she would be very ill right now---

don't be so afraid--all these sites really give you all the info to

help yourselves!!!!

[Guest guest]

I think it is all adrenal, right thyroid and adrenal meds will make you feel

much better.

Gracia

> Anybody know how to deal with reactive hypoglycemia, always weak and

hungry, panicky, agitated, edgy, and irritable. Is this ALL adrenal? Or

digestive? Eating doesn't seem to resolve it very easily. I have

maldigestion and malabsorption problems. Digestion problems. LIke my body

isn't utilizing food very well. My body is overstressed. Always in flight

and fight all the time.

>

>

> Chris

> Re: Need t3/t4 help

>

>

>

> well I don't think that was such bad advice. Usually we have to

crawl on

> our bellies like a reptile to get enough T3. But I don't take those

meds,

> I take Armour.

> Gracia

>

> > Hi! I am currently on 75mg levoxyl/15 mg cytomel. Recent test

results show

> > both free t3 and free t4 a little below normal. Should I increase

the

> levoxyl or

> > the cytomel? My last doc told me to increase the cytomel by 5 mg

weekly

> all

> > the way up to 120 mg if needed. Needless to say I did not do that

and am

> > looking for a new doc. Thanks for any help you can give me.

> > Dee

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you Tina. You are very helpful.

Re: Need t3/t4 help

what everyone really needs to do is realize that these problems are a

multiple list of symptoms and they need multiple, constant, ever

changing supplements.

So what does this mean---you need to go after all the problems at

once and keep on trying different supplements and drugs on top of

changing them when your symptoms change.

For example --adrenal problems are hypoglycemic in nature, they are

also reflective of many allergies--also body is not getting enough

oxygen as well--and where does all of this start---the answer is you

are lacking something or many things all at once.

Digestive problems need digestive enzymes to start--then you need to

add vitamins to your diet everyday---doesn't work if it's only once

in awhile--you need to sleep and you need to think---I need to heal,

rest, breathe, exercise and eat enough to get better.

As far as testing goes I am all for it but at the same time as you

wait you wither at the vine--you will only get worse if you think

there is a doctor who is willing to do all the correct testing and to

know exactly what you need--because there is no such treatment or

place---because everyone has a different problem associated with this

disease and muliple diseases that tag along or are a result of.

for example we know yeast is a big one with hypo--didn't know that

before--also allergies, skin rashes, hair falling out---ect. ect.

ect. If you think one doctor is going to have the one pill to fix

everything you are mistaken and if you wait for a test group to find

your answer you will be waiting forever because with the mulitude of

different problems and possiblities there will not be that perfect

test group, so as you wait you will get lupus, or MS or any other

auto-immune disease---or you will get adreanl problems with your

thyroid or you will get other side effects from the drugs you are

taking---(notice no side effects with armour vs. synthetics) (from

one of my posts)---or become diabetic--this is not something you can

just wait around hoping someone gives a dam.

you are in the middle of over cortisol production---these are

every symptom---you know all the sites, what to take what to do---no

one needs a doctor to help them--it's all there in every site what to

take or try and how to find out---

drrind.com

drlam.com

adrenalfatigue.org

ithryoid.com

all the answers are out there and what you have to do is put yourself

into the best hands that you know of and that my friends is your

own!!!

get the testing done if you need too--figure out what is wrong if you

can and go to doctors if you can afford it---but do not stop trying

and wait for something to happen--because your life is in your own

hands!!!! change doctors if one is not working---give him books, info-

-whatever it takes--or do what I do and DO IT MYSELF!!!!

If I waited my daughter would not be in school, she would not be

doing better, she would be very ill right now---

don't be so afraid--all these sites really give you all the info to

help yourselves!!!!

[Guest guest]

Great advice, ! This has been my experience also.

Another matter to look at is fat intake. When I switched to skim

milk it took me a while to realise that it caused even nonsugar

cereals to through my blood sugar off. But the inclusion of healthy

fat with the carbs balanced matters.

In looking at my diet I realized I had gone so low fat that I wasn't

getting enough. I make a point to allow plenty of good fats and do

supplement with fish oil tabs.

Also, if you can tolerate it, chromium picolinate helps tremendously.

Sherry

>

> No, you don't need 50% of carbs.

[Guest guest]

glandulars are very weak, did nothing for me, cortisol works great and is

safe.

Gracia

Same thing happen to my daughter when she took only t3--and that was

because we did not know you had to fix the adrenals FIRST!!!!

was the one who told me what to do. But we did not do cortisol---just

adrenal glandulars. --What happens when your body has adrenals

problems you just can't start on thyroid medication it even says so

in the flyers of thyroid drugs!!

You just need to get on adrenal glandulars and those are so easy to

buy on line!!!!! If you need some let me know--I'll post them tina

[Guest guest]

Hi Dee,

I am not completely up on the lab numbers right now, so I am sure you

will get good feedback from others. Regarding adjusting to T3

increase, I too did the same. I adjusted after a week and some of

the weight, temperature, other issues were back. You do want to

increase slowly because it is a shock to your heart.

I think you do have a little room to manuever with increasing the

meds if you don't have heart issues - pounding, high BP or pulse, or

slight almost pain. Pain is too strong of a word, but when I was

overmedicated I felt like I was on the verge of pain.

I find it works best to adjust my T3 by adding a second dose in the

afternoon when needed. I don't add more than 1/2 of the regular

dose.

Scant periods can be a sign of hyper. Heavy ones are definately hypo

related.

> Hi All,

>

> In need of help again. I can't tolerate Armour so I have to

stick to the

> synthetics. I am on Levoxyl because it is lactose free.

>

> Last labs on 75 mcg. levoxyl and 15 mcg cytomel:

>

> Tsh .01

>

> ft3: 304 (230-420)

>

> ft4: 1.2 (.8-1.8)

>

> Still had hypo symptoms. Doc told me to increase both meds. Here's

the

> results of combo 88/25:

>

> tsh .01

>

> ft3 380 (230-420)

>

> ft4 1.0 (.8-1.8)

>

> When I first made the switch I had four days of no constipation and

thought I

> had finally found the right combo. Results didn't last.

Constipation, weight

> gain, muscle weakness, nail breakage worse. When you increase t3

does that

> make your t4 go down more? My doc doesn't like blood tests...but

goes by how I

> feel and would prefer to keep increasing t3 without having blood

tests. I had my

> pcp do the test because of the way I was feeling. I just increased

the

> levoxyl to 100 to see if that would help me. I've been in hyper

land before so want

> to go slow on any increases. Any input would greatly be

appreciated. Thank you

> so much.

>

> Dee

> P.S. Maybe I should add in here.....I had an IUD removed in

January. Had no

> periods with IUD....just a little monthly spotting which they said

was quite

> nomal. Since removal of IUD.....no periods. Was tested by gyno. and

said I am

> not menopausal....is this hypo symptom too. Prior to IUD while hypo

periods were

> very heavy. Are no periods a hypo symptom?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Dee

> P.S. Maybe I should add in here.....I had an IUD removed in January. Had

no

> periods with IUD....just a little monthly spotting which they said was

quite

> nomal. Since removal of IUD.....no periods. Was tested by gyno. and said I

am

> not menopausal....is this hypo symptom too. Prior to IUD while hypo

periods were

> very heavy. Are no periods a hypo symptom?

Irregular periods are a symptom and I know that I have gone as long as 5

months without a period. I too have been tested and it is not perimenopause.

I have been very irregular most of my life, but since my last child was born

they have been irratic. I was breastfeeding so didn't have one for 15 mos

after her birth, and when it came it was soooo heavy and lasted over 100

days. I had to have a D & C to make it stop. Since that time my periods have

been heavy, but fortunately have only lasted as long as 4-5 days...phew. and

have mostly been every other month, but sometimes the time inbetween is

longer than that.

HTH,

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dee, *Usually* with hypo we have very heavy periods of long duration.

My T4 went up as I increased T3 (when I was on Levoxyl/Cytomel combo). I don't

know if this is typical or not.

I think one of the first signs that I'm in a hyper mode is when I start getting

really bad diarrhea. Interestingly enough, when I was in the hyper mode, my TSH

was in the HYPO range...of course, with Hashi's, we know those stinkin'

antibodies DO skew TSH results.

Also, when I was in a hyper mode, I had the shakes really bad...hungry every

single second...felt like everyone around me was moving like a turtle because

everything about me was racing. I was also very anxious and irritable.

Hope this helps a little! Good luck! Hugs, sheila

Sherry <hary722001@...> wrote:

Hi Dee,

I am not completely up on the lab numbers right now, so I am sure you

will get good feedback from others. Regarding adjusting to T3

increase, I too did the same. I adjusted after a week and some of

the weight, temperature, other issues were back. You do want to

increase slowly because it is a shock to your heart.

I think you do have a little room to manuever with increasing the

meds if you don't have heart issues - pounding, high BP or pulse, or

slight almost pain. Pain is too strong of a word, but when I was

overmedicated I felt like I was on the verge of pain.

I find it works best to adjust my T3 by adding a second dose in the

afternoon when needed. I don't add more than 1/2 of the regular

dose.

Scant periods can be a sign of hyper. Heavy ones are definately hypo

related.

> Hi All,

>

> In need of help again. I can't tolerate Armour so I have to

stick to the

> synthetics. I am on Levoxyl because it is lactose free.

>

> Last labs on 75 mcg. levoxyl and 15 mcg cytomel:

>

> Tsh .01

>

> ft3: 304 (230-420)

>

> ft4: 1.2 (.8-1.8)

>

> Still had hypo symptoms. Doc told me to increase both meds. Here's

the

> results of combo 88/25:

>

> tsh .01

>

> ft3 380 (230-420)

>

> ft4 1.0 (.8-1.8)

>

> When I first made the switch I had four days of no constipation and

thought I

> had finally found the right combo. Results didn't last.

Constipation, weight

> gain, muscle weakness, nail breakage worse. When you increase t3

does that

> make your t4 go down more? My doc doesn't like blood tests...but

goes by how I

> feel and would prefer to keep increasing t3 without having blood

tests. I had my

> pcp do the test because of the way I was feeling. I just increased

the

> levoxyl to 100 to see if that would help me. I've been in hyper

land before so want

> to go slow on any increases. Any input would greatly be

appreciated. Thank you

> so much.

>

> Dee

> P.S. Maybe I should add in here.....I had an IUD removed in

January. Had no

> periods with IUD....just a little monthly spotting which they said

was quite

> nomal. Since removal of IUD.....no periods. Was tested by gyno. and

said I am

> not menopausal....is this hypo symptom too. Prior to IUD while hypo

periods were

> very heavy. Are no periods a hypo symptom?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dee, *Usually* with hypo we have very heavy periods of long duration.

My T4 went up as I increased T3 (when I was on Levoxyl/Cytomel combo). I don't

know if this is typical or not.

I think one of the first signs that I'm in a hyper mode is when I start getting

really bad diarrhea. Interestingly enough, when I was in the hyper mode, my TSH

was in the HYPO range...of course, with Hashi's, we know those stinkin'

antibodies DO skew TSH results.

Also, when I was in a hyper mode, I had the shakes really bad...hungry every

single second...felt like everyone around me was moving like a turtle because

everything about me was racing. I was also very anxious and irritable.

Hope this helps a little! Good luck! Hugs, sheila

Sherry <hary722001@...> wrote:

Hi Dee,

I am not completely up on the lab numbers right now, so I am sure you

will get good feedback from others. Regarding adjusting to T3

increase, I too did the same. I adjusted after a week and some of

the weight, temperature, other issues were back. You do want to

increase slowly because it is a shock to your heart.

I think you do have a little room to manuever with increasing the

meds if you don't have heart issues - pounding, high BP or pulse, or

slight almost pain. Pain is too strong of a word, but when I was

overmedicated I felt like I was on the verge of pain.

I find it works best to adjust my T3 by adding a second dose in the

afternoon when needed. I don't add more than 1/2 of the regular

dose.

Scant periods can be a sign of hyper. Heavy ones are definately hypo

related.

> Hi All,

>

> In need of help again. I can't tolerate Armour so I have to

stick to the

> synthetics. I am on Levoxyl because it is lactose free.

>

> Last labs on 75 mcg. levoxyl and 15 mcg cytomel:

>

> Tsh .01

>

> ft3: 304 (230-420)

>

> ft4: 1.2 (.8-1.8)

>

> Still had hypo symptoms. Doc told me to increase both meds. Here's

the

> results of combo 88/25:

>

> tsh .01

>

> ft3 380 (230-420)

>

> ft4 1.0 (.8-1.8)

>

> When I first made the switch I had four days of no constipation and

thought I

> had finally found the right combo. Results didn't last.

Constipation, weight

> gain, muscle weakness, nail breakage worse. When you increase t3

does that

> make your t4 go down more? My doc doesn't like blood tests...but

goes by how I

> feel and would prefer to keep increasing t3 without having blood

tests. I had my

> pcp do the test because of the way I was feeling. I just increased

the

> levoxyl to 100 to see if that would help me. I've been in hyper

land before so want

> to go slow on any increases. Any input would greatly be

appreciated. Thank you

> so much.

>

> Dee

> P.S. Maybe I should add in here.....I had an IUD removed in

January. Had no

> periods with IUD....just a little monthly spotting which they said

was quite

> nomal. Since removal of IUD.....no periods. Was tested by gyno. and

said I am

> not menopausal....is this hypo symptom too. Prior to IUD while hypo

periods were

> very heavy. Are no periods a hypo symptom?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

tsh really means nothing when you are on meds---tsh shows how much

your pituitary tells the thyroid to produce and when there is enough

in your system from the drugs your tsh number will drop because you

don't need to inform your pituitary gland to produce more---(the only

way to know your true tsh test is to go off everything for 6 weeks)

Your numbers look really good and we have found that when your

numbers are good for thyroid--you have to look at your adrenals--if

they can't keep up with the increased meds you will still feel sick

and increasing the dosage only makes you worse---you could try it and

if you feel worse than you know to look elsewhere.

and if you go into hyper land than you know this is the right dose

and you must look into those adrenals---loss of period and no period

has to do with the pit and adrenals, more than thyroid (thyroid is

ususally troubled periods but complete loss is ususally the others

and you also have to look into early menopause which is more commmon

with hypo as well.

Looks like your t3 is really good on this dose!!!---

Other thought is you need your free t3 and free t4 (to see what is

being absorb into the cells)---very important----this could be the

other reason---there are many to look into---tina

> Hi All,

>

> In need of help again. I can't tolerate Armour so I have to

stick to the

> synthetics. I am on Levoxyl because it is lactose free.

>

> Last labs on 75 mcg. levoxyl and 15 mcg cytomel:

>

> Tsh .01

>

> ft3: 304 (230-420)

>

> ft4: 1.2 (.8-1.8)

>

> Still had hypo symptoms. Doc told me to increase both meds. Here's

the

> results of combo 88/25:

>

> tsh .01

>

> ft3 380 (230-420)

>

> ft4 1.0 (.8-1.8)

>

> When I first made the switch I had four days of no constipation and

thought I

> had finally found the right combo. Results didn't last.

Constipation, weight

> gain, muscle weakness, nail breakage worse. When you increase t3

does that

> make your t4 go down more? My doc doesn't like blood tests...but

goes by how I

> feel and would prefer to keep increasing t3 without having blood

tests. I had my

> pcp do the test because of the way I was feeling. I just increased

the

> levoxyl to 100 to see if that would help me. I've been in hyper

land before so want

> to go slow on any increases. Any input would greatly be

appreciated. Thank you

> so much.

>

> Dee

> P.S. Maybe I should add in here.....I had an IUD removed in

January. Had no

> periods with IUD....just a little monthly spotting which they said

was quite

> nomal. Since removal of IUD.....no periods. Was tested by gyno. and

said I am

> not menopausal....is this hypo symptom too. Prior to IUD while hypo

periods were

> very heavy. Are no periods a hypo symptom?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Re: Need t3/t4 help

<snipping some really good stuff....sorry>

> and if you go into hyper land than you know this is the right dose

> and you must look into those adrenals---loss of period and no period

> has to do with the pit and adrenals, more than thyroid (thyroid is

> ususally troubled periods but complete loss is ususally the others

> and you also have to look into early menopause which is more commmon

> with hypo as well.

Do you know what tests would help narrow down the problem?

> Other thought is you need your free t3 and free t4 (to see what is

> being absorb into the cells)---very important----this could be the

> other reason---there are many to look into---tina

I'm going in next week to ask for more tests. I'm going to ask for the

anti-tpo, free t3 and free t4. Do I also need to get the t4 and t3? At one

point I was thinking of checking the levels of ALL my hormones, but thought,

nah that is a little impractical. LOL

Any other tests that I need?????

Thanks,

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