Re: More advice is needed!

January 30, 2004

My mom is going though the same thing and I can't tell you how mad I

am right now---the excuses are just amazing!!! down to the well you

don't need T3---what idiots these people are--T3 is the working

engine for thyroid without it you will not feel much better and this

is the problem here for you as well----you must tell them you want

this test--you must tell them you want armour---tell them you don't

feel 100% on what you are using now. Some it works but the majority

it does not--they need some extra t3.

I am too angry now to think straight because now my mom is going to

wait till her next appt. 3 months from now. She still has leg pain,

asthma and colds that won't go away. I am losing it with these

doctor!!!!

Anyway you must be strong and DEMAND!!!!! don't take no for an

answer!!!

It makes a huge difference when you finally get that t3!!!!!! tina

> Ok guys forgive me!

> I know I just asked on my labs from Dec. But now I have new ones.

My notion

> that doctors know best is just about gone!

> I know most people has recommended me be on Armour and I am ready

to try it.

> I am making an appointment for this Monday to see my family doc and

if I

> give him good reasoning he will probably give it to me.

> The endo is out! I'm sick of that whole damn place!

>

> I just got my lab report in the mail. They didn't even check my T3.

>

> TSH 0.28 (0.27 - 4.20)

> FT4 1.35 (.93 - 1.70)

>

> Comments from the nurse practioner: I think @ 137 mcg daily this

will be too

> low. Instead try alternating 137/150mcg every other day.

>

> I have been on 150mcg synthroid since Oct. 03 until they switched

me to

> 137mcg twice a week back in dec. On 1/22/04 I convinced her to

drop me to

> only 137mcg a week ago because I thought I was having Hyper

symptoms and now

> I get this note today. I am continuing to feel crummy since last

Feb so I

> don't see how that is going to help me. Does anyone else?

>

> I really want to try Armour but since I have insurance I would

rather get it

> prescribed if I can, it will be cheaper plus I need to keep getting

my tests

>

> Please give me good points that I can bring up to my doc on Monday

to why I

> should switch based on my test results. I know a lot of info is out

there

> for me to research and believe me I do, but I have a hard time

retaining a

> lot. Plus it's hard for me to worry about too many things at once.

The docs

> just discovered a lump in my 26 year old brothers prostate and my

attentions

> has been focused on that this last week.

>

> What test should I ask him to send me for?

>

> Thank you and God bless you all!

>

> -Dana

>

January 30, 2004

Thank You! Tell your mom she does not suffer through this alone!

I forgot to mention I do take 5mcgs of cytomel but I think Armour has a lot

more T3 than that, doesn't it?

-Dana

-- Re: More advice is needed!

My mom is going though the same thing and I can't tell you how mad I

am right now---the excuses are just amazing!!! down to the well you

don't need T3---what idiots these people are--T3 is the working

engine for thyroid without it you will not feel much better and this

is the problem here for you as well----you must tell them you want

this test--you must tell them you want armour---tell them you don't

feel 100% on what you are using now. Some it works but the majority

it does not--they need some extra t3.

I am too angry now to think straight because now my mom is going to

wait till her next appt. 3 months from now. She still has leg pain,

asthma and colds that won't go away. I am losing it with these

doctor!!!!

Anyway you must be strong and DEMAND!!!!! don't take no for an

answer!!!

It makes a huge difference when you finally get that t3!!!!!! tina

> Ok guys forgive me!

> I know I just asked on my labs from Dec. But now I have new ones.

My notion

> that doctors know best is just about gone!

> I know most people has recommended me be on Armour and I am ready

to try it.

> I am making an appointment for this Monday to see my family doc and

if I

> give him good reasoning he will probably give it to me.

> The endo is out! I'm sick of that whole damn place!

>

> I just got my lab report in the mail. They didn't even check my T3.

>

> TSH 0.28 (0.27 - 4.20)

> FT4 1.35 (.93 - 1.70)

>

> Comments from the nurse practioner: I think @ 137 mcg daily this

will be too

> low. Instead try alternating 137/150mcg every other day.

>

> I have been on 150mcg synthroid since Oct. 03 until they switched

me to

> 137mcg twice a week back in dec. On 1/22/04 I convinced her to

drop me to

> only 137mcg a week ago because I thought I was having Hyper

symptoms and now

> I get this note today. I am continuing to feel crummy since last

Feb so I

> don't see how that is going to help me. Does anyone else?

>

> I really want to try Armour but since I have insurance I would

rather get it

> prescribed if I can, it will be cheaper plus I need to keep getting

my tests

>

> Please give me good points that I can bring up to my doc on Monday

to why I

> should switch based on my test results. I know a lot of info is out

there

> for me to research and believe me I do, but I have a hard time

retaining a

> lot. Plus it's hard for me to worry about too many things at once.

The docs

> just discovered a lump in my 26 year old brothers prostate and my

attentions

> has been focused on that this last week.

>

> What test should I ask him to send me for?

>

> Thank you and God bless you all!

>

> -Dana

>

January 30, 2004

Armour has t1 and t2 as well and we don't know exactly how important

they are ---we may have some old info on that here( past posts)

knows more---but 5mcgs is a very low dose---most take 15-

20mcgs. a day--and the difference between natural and synthetic is

huge when it comes to your body assimilating it. Now don't get me

wrong here some have to take synthetic and it's ususally those with

hashi's because some (very few) have problems with armour--that is

because they probably need adrenals first to correct the allergic

response.

But if you can take armour you won't have the side effects of bone

problems later on in life that has been reported here on our site---

we have had a few with vitamin D deficiency. So if you have to take

this please look into this as well.

In your case you just may need more cytomel---if your meds still

don't work well---look into your adrenals---if they are low and

struggling your thyroid meds only hurt them more as they try and keep

up with the higher dose of thyroid. They work together and you add

more thyroid it puts more stress on the adrenals.

this is why so many have to keep on increasing their dose of thyroid

meds---it's a very delicate balancing system. One very FEW doctors

understand!!!!!!!!!!!

-- In hypothyroidism , " Sales@b... " <BHD@H...> wrote:

> Thank You! Tell your mom she does not suffer through this alone!

> I forgot to mention I do take 5mcgs of cytomel but I think Armour

has a lot

> more T3 than that, doesn't it?

> -Dana

>

> -- Re: More advice is needed!

>

> My mom is going though the same thing and I can't tell you how mad

I

> am right now---the excuses are just amazing!!! down to the well you

> don't need T3---what idiots these people are--T3 is the working

> engine for thyroid without it you will not feel much better and

this

> is the problem here for you as well----you must tell them you want

> this test--you must tell them you want armour---tell them you don't

> feel 100% on what you are using now. Some it works but the majority

> it does not--they need some extra t3.

>

> I am too angry now to think straight because now my mom is going to

> wait till her next appt. 3 months from now. She still has leg pain,

> asthma and colds that won't go away. I am losing it with these

> doctor!!!!

>

> Anyway you must be strong and DEMAND!!!!! don't take no for an

> answer!!!

>

> It makes a huge difference when you finally get that t3!!!!!! tina

>

> > Ok guys forgive me!

> > I know I just asked on my labs from Dec. But now I have new ones.

> My notion

> > that doctors know best is just about gone!

> > I know most people has recommended me be on Armour and I am ready

> to try it.

> > I am making an appointment for this Monday to see my family doc

and

> if I

> > give him good reasoning he will probably give it to me.

> > The endo is out! I'm sick of that whole damn place!

> >

> > I just got my lab report in the mail. They didn't even check my

T3.

> >

> > TSH 0.28 (0.27 - 4.20)

> > FT4 1.35 (.93 - 1.70)

> >

> > Comments from the nurse practioner: I think @ 137 mcg daily this

> will be too

> > low. Instead try alternating 137/150mcg every other day.

> >

> > I have been on 150mcg synthroid since Oct. 03 until they switched

> me to

> > 137mcg twice a week back in dec. On 1/22/04 I convinced her to

> drop me to

> > only 137mcg a week ago because I thought I was having Hyper

> symptoms and now

> > I get this note today. I am continuing to feel crummy since last

> Feb so I

> > don't see how that is going to help me. Does anyone else?

> >

> > I really want to try Armour but since I have insurance I would

> rather get it

> > prescribed if I can, it will be cheaper plus I need to keep

getting

> my tests

> >

> > Please give me good points that I can bring up to my doc on

Monday

> to why I

> > should switch based on my test results. I know a lot of info is

out

> there

> > for me to research and believe me I do, but I have a hard time

> retaining a

> > lot. Plus it's hard for me to worry about too many things at

once.

> The docs

> > just discovered a lump in my 26 year old brothers prostate and my

> attentions

> > has been focused on that this last week.

> >

> > What test should I ask him to send me for?

> >

> > Thank you and God bless you all!

> >

> > -Dana

> >

January 30, 2004

Hello Dana,

I would just tell your doctor that you think that you are wanting to try

another med to see if you feel better- I just recently told my doctor the same

thing and he did it- Tell him you just yet are not feeling 100 percent better

and you want to try something new- If he doesnt want to listen to you then I

would recommend a second opinion. I Just posted some lab work here a few days

ago and I still havent got any responce yet- so, I have no clue what my lab work

means--lol-- take care - keisha

" Sales@bargain_hunters_dream " <BHD@...> wrote:

Ok guys forgive me!

I know I just asked on my labs from Dec. But now I have new ones. My notion

that doctors know best is just about gone!

I know most people has recommended me be on Armour and I am ready to try it.

I am making an appointment for this Monday to see my family doc and if I

give him good reasoning he will probably give it to me.

The endo is out! I'm sick of that whole damn place!

I just got my lab report in the mail. They didn't even check my T3.

TSH 0.28 (0.27 - 4.20)

FT4 1.35 (.93 - 1.70)

Comments from the nurse practioner: I think @ 137 mcg daily this will be too

low. Instead try alternating 137/150mcg every other day.

I have been on 150mcg synthroid since Oct. 03 until they switched me to

137mcg twice a week back in dec. On 1/22/04 I convinced her to drop me to

only 137mcg a week ago because I thought I was having Hyper symptoms and now

I get this note today. I am continuing to feel crummy since last Feb so I

don't see how that is going to help me. Does anyone else?

I really want to try Armour but since I have insurance I would rather get it

prescribed if I can, it will be cheaper plus I need to keep getting my tests

Please give me good points that I can bring up to my doc on Monday to why I

should switch based on my test results. I know a lot of info is out there

for me to research and believe me I do, but I have a hard time retaining a

lot. Plus it's hard for me to worry about too many things at once. The docs

just discovered a lump in my 26 year old brothers prostate and my attentions

has been focused on that this last week.

What test should I ask him to send me for?

Thank you and God bless you all!

-Dana

January 30, 2004

sorry guys at times we all get busy--But these results don't mean a

lot---without the correct tests there is not much to go on--and I'll

explain--you really must insist on t3 tests--free t3 and t3 as well

as free t4 and t4---I'll send links--one shows how much is getting

into the cells and what is being produced from the thyroid gland.

Ok the tsh ---thyroid stimulating hormone--that shows us what the

pitiutary gland is telling the thyroid gland what to produce--but if

you are on medication this number doesn't mean a lot because you are

giving yourself extra hormone to compenstate for your lack of hormone-

(have to to by symptoms)

If the tsh is way too low---that is when you have to check out

overdosing and a .28 is not too low--the number you want is .80--2

seems to be ok --this number varies for some say .3-3 is ok---but

ususally close between 1 and 2 is where you want you tsh to be.

Having a .28 might mean you are taking too much t4 and the doctor may

say take a tiny bit less. But looking at your T4 here it's in the

normal range so this tsh number just means your pituitary gland is

not producing much thyroid hormone and why is that it's because you

are taking hormones---get the idea???

Your Ft4 which I assume means free t4 is a great number---but that

only tells us your thyroid is producing t4 along with taking in your

t4 that you give it with your meds---if you have a low t3 number you

will feel VERY HYPO---so not knowing any t3 number tells us only that

your t4 is ok.

my daughter had only low t3 she can't convert t4 into t3 ---just

because you can produce t4 does not mean you have enough t3 in your

system being absorbed into your cells.

Ok I just read that you were having hyper symptoms that can show here

with this little dip down to the tsh number of .28---so this is

correct for you since you stated feeling hyper---my daughter's tsh

is .02 and she has never felt hyper---so this tells us that we have

to go by our symptoms much more than test results---and Sheila walks

around with a .003---is that right Sheila can't remember right now---

I am sick with a head cold on drugs myself---haha---anyway going by

your symptoms is your best bet---if you drop down on your dose your

tsh will come back up a bit and you will be ok with the t4 and tsh

test--but we still have no idea on t3!!!

for all you know you could have a low t3 and not taking medication

for that is like not taking any thyroid med at all ---if you have

this conversion problem!!!

tina

> Ok guys forgive me!

> I know I just asked on my labs from Dec. But now I have new ones.

My notion

> that doctors know best is just about gone!

> I know most people has recommended me be on Armour and I am ready

to try it.

> I am making an appointment for this Monday to see my family doc and

if I

> give him good reasoning he will probably give it to me.

> The endo is out! I'm sick of that whole damn place!

>

> I just got my lab report in the mail. They didn't even check my T3.

>

> TSH 0.28 (0.27 - 4.20)

> FT4 1.35 (.93 - 1.70)

>

> Comments from the nurse practioner: I think @ 137 mcg daily this

will be too

> low. Instead try alternating 137/150mcg every other day.

>

> I have been on 150mcg synthroid since Oct. 03 until they switched

me to

> 137mcg twice a week back in dec. On 1/22/04 I convinced her to

drop me to

> only 137mcg a week ago because I thought I was having Hyper

symptoms and now

> I get this note today. I am continuing to feel crummy since last

Feb so I

> don't see how that is going to help me. Does anyone else?

>

> I really want to try Armour but since I have insurance I would

rather get it

> prescribed if I can, it will be cheaper plus I need to keep getting

my tests

>

> Please give me good points that I can bring up to my doc on Monday

to why I

> should switch based on my test results. I know a lot of info is out

there

> for me to research and believe me I do, but I have a hard time

retaining a

> lot. Plus it's hard for me to worry about too many things at once.

The docs

> just discovered a lump in my 26 year old brothers prostate and my

attentions

> has been focused on that this last week.

>

> What test should I ask him to send me for?

>

> Thank you and God bless you all!

>

> -Dana

>

January 31, 2004

Hi Tina, Yes, we certainly do get busy sometimes. I've been meaning to write you

and just haven't done it.

Hopefully la will get another period soon. We'll keep our fingers

crossed!

Had NO idea one could tear their chest muscles from stress. Yikes!!! You were

dealing with some tuff stuff!

Yes...my TSH was like 0.004. Technically hyper but no symptoms. It did go up

last time.

Take care, lady! Hugs, Sheila

tina83862 <tina8386@...> wrote: