Re: Bee..... Calcium/Magnesium really puzzled me

[Guest guest]

Debra wrote:

>

> Hi Bee,

> I have had a lot of trouble trying to find the correct cal/mag

ratio for my body. The first month of your diet and supplement

program everything was going well, I was making progress and adding

things in and taking things out little by little as you recommended.

>

> When I began adding in the supplements a little at a time, I began

> feeling better, and better. Then I began having cramps in my legs

that would cause my feet to curl inward at night and inquired about

it and you told me what to do about it.

==>That kind of cramping means you need more magnesium, and possibly

less calcium, but also ensure you are taking enough ocean sea salt

per day (for over 84 minerals, sodium and chloride, which are

required in macro amounts) and vitamin E. Minerals are needed to

keep them balanced in the body, and vitamin E is necessary for many

functions, but is important for oxygenating.

>

> I followed your directives and for almost 3 months I have been

trying different amounts of calcium and magnesium to see if I could

find the balance needed. A couple of times I stopped taking cal/mag

all together and the cramps stopped, then began again in a few days.

The cramps have been awful and I have been desperate to find the

solution at times, especially during my menstrual cycle when I was

hit the hardest for about 2 weeks nonstop. There were times when I

could feel the tension in my legs in the daytime and wondered where

this was all going.

>

> Just this morning as I stood looking at my supplements wondering if

I had overlooked any of the supplements that may contain any calcium

or magnesium in them that I hadn't noticed before. I picked up the

> chlorella bottle first as I didn't think any of the others could

and was VERY surprised to see the 15 tablets I have been taking each

day totaled 334mg of calcium in them! Gee whiz! It takes me long

enough!

==>Holey cow, that's the problem. That another good reason I don't

recommend chlorella. Also 15 tablets sounds like too much. Maybe

switch to liquid chlorophyll instead of chlorella.

>

> I have found by trial and error every little detail is SO important

and can make all the difference as I follow your diet plan to greater

> health. If I leave out just 1 step, (even the electrolyte drink

with lemon juice, seasalt and filtered water), in the daily routine

you recommend I notice a difference right away. I know immediately I

must have forgotten something and retrace my steps to find out what I

left out.

==>Good for you Debra! You are thinking and figuring things out on

your own. Very very well done!

>

> I am so thankful and amazed with your marvelous abillity through

your own personal trials to put together a such a great nutritional

program that really works to help others regain their health. I

REALLY appreciate your effort to continue researching and perfecting

the program as we go along. You are such a blessing to us all!

>

> So.....what would you suggest now my dear friend? Maybe just use

> magnesium since calcium is so high in the chlorella? If so how much

> would you recommend?

==>Finish taking the chlorella, but take less per day. I think 15

tablets per day is even high for the chlorophyll benefits in it, but

different tablets would differ of course. There are minerals in

chlorella that can also throw off balances. When I used to recommend

it, the dose was 2 tablets 3 times a day. Then you can probably take

150 mg of calcium in addition, and try 450 mg magnesium.

>

> Thanks for all your help Bee. :-)

You are so welcome indeedy!

Luv, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

I am at my wits end. I have done what you suggested, but the awful

leg cramps continue. They eased up for a day or two with the change

of chlorella, calcium and mag, but are back with gusto every night,

which causes me to loose sleep.

:-(

What do you suggest? I am doing everything you have instructed me to.

I have been very faithful on your diet for a little over 4 months

now. I really NEED to see and feel a difference at this point. The

leg cramping simply has to stop. I am very concerned. HELP!

Thank you so much.

Debra NW

==>Finish taking the chlorella, but take less per day. I think 15

tablets per day is even high for the chlorophyll benefits in it, but

different tablets would differ of course. There are minerals in

chlorella that can also throw off balances. When I used to recommend

it, the dose was 2 tablets 3 times a day. Then you can probably take

150 mg of calcium in addition, and try 450 mg magnesium.

[Guest guest]

Debra wrote:

>

> Hi Bee,

> I am at my wits end. I have done what you suggested, but the awful

> leg cramps continue. They eased up for a day or two with the

change of chlorella, calcium and mag, but are back with gusto every

night, which causes me to loose sleep.

> :-(

>

> What do you suggest? I am doing everything you have instructed me

to. I have been very faithful on your diet for a little over 4

months now. I really NEED to see and feel a difference at this

point. The leg cramping simply has to stop. I am very concerned.

HELP!

==>Debra, ensure you are taking the other supplements as well, i.e.

cod liver oil, vitamin E, and if you are taking fish oil you must

also take vitamin A, and that you are having enough ocean sea salt

per day, at least 1-1/2 tsp. You can also try breathing exercise

through your nose - see the Breath Right Folder. I think you could

have low oxygen levels in your body, which is helped with vitamin E,

along with other oil soluble vitamins, omega 3, and minerals. You

will get leg cramps if you eat any chocolate particularly, but even

if you have any sugars because they block oxygen to the cells. You

might need 800 IUs per day of vitamin E instead 400 IUs.

Let me know if any of this helps, and if not get back to me.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Thanks SO MUCH for your help Bee. I upped my E and the lemon juice and

seasalt drink, stopped the cal/mag yesterday and had no leg or foot

cramps last night! I pray we are on the right track now.

FYI: I am not eating any chocolate or sweets at all. I feel as if I am

cheating by using strawberry chapstick. I am very intent on getting

well ASAP. I am all ears if you have any other suggestions.

Big hugs! :-)

Debra NW

beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

==>Debra, ensure you are taking the other supplements as well, i.e.

cod liver oil, vitamin E, and if you are taking fish oil you must

also take vitamin A, and that you are having enough ocean sea salt

per day, at least 1-1/2 tsp. You can also try breathing exercise

through your nose - see the Breath Right Folder. I think you could

have low oxygen levels in your body, which is helped with vitamin E,

along with other oil soluble vitamins, omega 3, and minerals. You

will get leg cramps if you eat any chocolate particularly, but even

if you have any sugars because they block oxygen to the cells. You

might need 800 IUs per day of vitamin E instead 400 IUs.

Let me know if any of this helps, and if not get back to me.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks SO MUCH for your help Bee. I upped my E and the lemon juice

and seasalt drink, stopped the cal/mag yesterday and had no leg or

foot cramps last night! I pray we are on the right track now.

==>Yippee Debra! That's fabulous news.

>

> FYI: I am not eating any chocolate or sweets at all. I feel as if

I am cheating by using strawberry chapstick. I am very intent on

getting well ASAP. I am all ears if you have any other suggestions.

==>That's good you are not eating choc or sweets. I just have to

throw that in, if not for you, for others. That's so cute you

feel like you are cheating using chapstick. lol! You made my day

with that one!! If everyone could be so faithful and true to the

diet, eh? I can't think of anything else for you right now.

Hugs, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hello Bee,

Well...it turns out I only had one nights relief then it all came

back on me again. I think it was the herbal formula I took for sleep

that helped that the leg and foot cramps not come on that night. (The

formula has Passion Flower, Hops Flower, Catnip, Chamomile, Valarian

Root, Lavender Flower, Myrrh, and Spearmint in it.)

I got smart and took the calcium and magnesium citrate to my

chiropractor today who does testing with supplements. He tested them

and found my body is not absorbing them at all. Then he tested me

with calcium carbonate and it looks like that is what my body works

best with.

Remember when I told you I had been through many differant calciums

before and carbonate was the only one I had good results with? Why

would this be? I know you say that citrate is the way to go, why does

it not work for me? Any idea? Does any of this make sense?

What now?

Thanks!

Debra NW

" wee_steps " <wee_steps@>

wrote:

Thanks SO MUCH for your help Bee. I upped my E and the lemon juice

and seasalt drink, stopped the cal/mag yesterday and had no leg or

foot cramps last night! I pray we are on the right track now.

==>Yippee Debra! That's fabulous news.

FYI: I am not eating any chocolate or sweets at all. I feel as if

I am cheating by using strawberry chapstick. I am very intent on

getting well ASAP. I am all ears if you have any other suggestions.

==>That's good you are not eating choc or sweets. I just have to

throw that in, if not for you, for others. That's so cute you

feel like you are cheating using chapstick. lol! You made my day

with that one!! If everyone could be so faithful and true to the

diet, eh? I can't think of anything else for you right now.

Hugs, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello Bee,

>

> Well...it turns out I only had one nights relief then it all came

> back on me again. I think it was the herbal formula I took for

sleep

> that helped that the leg and foot cramps not come on that night.

(The formula has Passion Flower, Hops Flower, Catnip, Chamomile,

Valarian Root, Lavender Flower, Myrrh, and Spearmint in it.)

>

> I got smart and took the calcium and magnesium citrate to my

> chiropractor today who does testing with supplements. He tested

them and found my body is not absorbing them at all. Then he tested

me with calcium carbonate and it looks like that is what my body

works best with.

==>Calcium citrate is calcium carbonate but in an acid base which all

minerals require in order to be absorbed. If you take plain calcium

carbonate take it with plenty of vitamin C to help absorption.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello Bee,

>

> Well...it turns out I only had one nights relief then it all came

> back on me again. I think it was the herbal formula I took for

sleep

> that helped that the leg and foot cramps not come on that night.

(The formula has Passion Flower, Hops Flower, Catnip, Chamomile,

Valarian Root, Lavender Flower, Myrrh, and Spearmint in it.)

>

> I got smart and took the calcium and magnesium citrate to my

> chiropractor today who does testing with supplements. He tested

them and found my body is not absorbing them at all. Then he tested

me with calcium carbonate and it looks like that is what my body

works best with.

==>Calcium citrate is calcium carbonate but in an acid base which all

minerals require in order to be absorbed. If you take plain calcium

carbonate take it with plenty of vitamin C to help absorption.

Bee

[Guest guest]

==>Calcium citrate is calcium carbonate but in an acid base which

all minerals require in order to be absorbed. If you take plain

calcium carbonate take it with plenty of vitamin C to help absorption.

Bee

I really don't get it Bee. Why wouldn't my body absorb calcium

citrate? What you say sounds so logical. I must be doing something

wrong.

Whenever I have taken either Calcium Citrate or Calcium Carbonate I

have taken it with 2 Vitamin C 1000 Complex tablets which contains:

2,000mg of Vitamin C (ascorbic acid)

1000mg Citris Bioflavonoid complex

40mg Rosehips extract

20mg Acerola Cherry extract

100mg Rutin.

Wouldn't this be enough to help absorption?

I took calcium carbonate yesterday to see what would happen.

I had no leg or foot cramps last night, but I will see what happens

over the next few days to see if I am on the right track or not.

Should I try another brand of Calcium Citrate and Magnesium Citrate

to see what happens?

Is Calcium Carbonate an ok supplement to use?

What about Magnesium Oxide or any other form of magnesium besides

citrate?

I really want to stick with your program all the way around because

you have it so finely tuned. I am all ears to your suggestions. I do

not want to do anything to throw the balance off. Everything else has

work well so far.

Thanks again. :-)

Debra NW

[Guest guest]

==>Calcium citrate is calcium carbonate but in an acid base which

> all minerals require in order to be absorbed. If you take plain

> calcium carbonate take it with plenty of vitamin C to help

absorption. Bee

Debra wrote:

> I really don't get it Bee. Why wouldn't my body absorb calcium

> citrate? What you say sounds so logical. I must be doing something

> wrong.

==>How did you health practitioners determine you couldn't absorb

calcium citrate? I can't imagine any test that could accurately test

for that.

>

> Whenever I have taken either Calcium Citrate or Calcium Carbonate I

> have taken it with 2 Vitamin C 1000 Complex tablets which contains:

>

> 2,000mg of Vitamin C (ascorbic acid)

> 1000mg Citris Bioflavonoid complex

> 40mg Rosehips extract

> 20mg Acerola Cherry extract

> 100mg Rutin.

> Wouldn't this be enough to help absorption?

==>Yes, it definitely would.

>

> I took calcium carbonate yesterday to see what would happen.

> I had no leg or foot cramps last night, but I will see what happens

> over the next few days to see if I am on the right track or not.

>

> Should I try another brand of Calcium Citrate and Magnesium Citrate

> to see what happens? Is Calcium Carbonate an ok supplement to use?

==>You could try another brand and see if it helps; brands do vary.

Yes, calcium carbonate is okay, along with vitamin C.

>

> What about Magnesium Oxide or any other form of magnesium besides

> citrate?

==>Magnesium oxide is not recommended, but magnesium carbonate is

okay, which is also contained in most mag. citrate supplements. Both

calcium and magnesium orginates from dolomite, which is the carbonate

form of these minerals.

>

> I really want to stick with your program all the way around because

> you have it so finely tuned. I am all ears to your suggestions. I

do not want to do anything to throw the balance off. Everything else

has work well so far.

==>You'll do okay. I wouldn't believe your health practitioner.

Bee

[Guest guest]

" Bee Wilder " <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

==>How did you health practitioners determine you couldn't absorb

calcium citrate? I can't imagine any test that could accurately

test for that.

(*** Kinesiology is how he tested me Bee.***)

I took calcium carbonate yesterday to see what would happen.

I had no leg or foot cramps last night, but I will see what happens

over the next few days to see if I am on the right track or not.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Bee,

I haven't been on your forum for quite a while with all that is going

on with my Mom, so didn't have a chance to respond right away to what

you wrote me last time.

The calcium carbonate seemed to work for a few days, then the cramps

would seem to be returning at times, but not as strong as before.

In the past few days I thought maybe all this has to do with a

digestion problem? So I looked in your files this morning and tried

the baking soda test for low/high stomach acid.

I didn't have any of the symptoms that were listed for low stomach

acid in the article, but all along I have been wondering whether or

not I am absorbing nutrients in food and supplements very well. I

began to feel better in the first couple of months when I started

your diet program, felt better than I had in a very long time, but

over the last 3 months or so I have had very low energy and thought

something wasn't quite right and I should be doing better than I have

been.

Anyway, when I took the 1/4 t in 8 oz of cold water this morning it

felt like I may burp, but I didn't really burp until after 15 minutes

or so, and then it was a very, very tiny burp.

So I decided to take 6 oz of the lemon seasalt drink to see what

would happen and I had a couple more small burps in a matter of

minutes. It has been an hour now since I took the lemon seasalt water

and I still feel I have to burp as I am writing this to you.

I have been taking all the supplements you recommend since the second

month on your program and have been very faithful to your diet plan

as I so desire to be well. I am almost 5 months into the program now.

I have not taken anything for digestion except the lemon seasalt

drink so far. Do you think I need to take a digestive supplement at

this point? If so Bee, what would you recommend?

Any other changes I need to make?

Thanks SO much for all your help. :-)

Debra NW

[Guest guest]

Debra, I'm not Bee but have you tried potassium

supplements? Often leg cramps are a sign of a mineral

deficiency, often potassium.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- wee_steps <wee_steps@...> wrote:

> The calcium carbonate seemed to work for a few days,

> then the cramps

> would seem to be returning at times, but not as

> strong as before.

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[Guest guest]

> " Bee Wilder " <beeisbuzzing2003@> wrote:

>

> ==>How did you health practitioners determine you couldn't absorb

> calcium citrate? I can't imagine any test that could accurately

> test for that.

Debra wrote:

> (*** Kinesiology is how he tested me Bee.***)

==>Kinesiology is not very accurate, so I wouldn't depend upon it.

>

> I took calcium carbonate yesterday to see what would happen.

> I had no leg or foot cramps last night, but I will see what

happens over the next few days to see if I am on the right track or

not.

==>That's good.

Bee

P.S. Could you please trim your messages - see Candida Group Info

folder.

[Guest guest]

Debby wrote:

>

> Debra, I'm not Bee but have you tried potassium

> supplements? Often leg cramps are a sign of a mineral

> deficiency, often potassium.

==>Potassium is a macromineral required in amounts over 200 mgs. per

day, but it is so prevalent in foods that supplementing isn't usually

necessary. Even a cup of tea contains 120 mgs. If Debra isn't

getting enough ocean sea salt for the trace minerals it could also

cause a problem.

Bee

[Guest guest]

P.S. Could you please trim your messages - see Candida Group Info folder

Hi Bee,

I don't think you noticed that I did trim my message.

There was more below for you to read about questions on digestion that

relate to cal/mag issues. I am sorry that I did not make that clearer

to you.

Debra NW

[Guest guest]

Debra wrote:

>

> P.S. Could you please trim your messages - see Candida Group Info

folder

>

> Hi Bee,

> I don't think you noticed that I did trim my message. There was more

below for you to read about questions on digestion that relate to

cal/mag issues. I am sorry that I did not make that clearer to you.

==>Thanks Debra. Sorry I didn't notice your question about cal/mag.

Would you please post it again?

Hugs, Bee

[Guest guest]

==>Thanks Debra. Sorry I didn't notice your question about

cal/mag.

Would you please post it again?

Ok Bee. Here it is.

Thanks bunches!

Hi Bee,

I haven't been on your forum for quite a while with all that is going

on with my Mom, so didn't have a chance to respond right away to what

you wrote me last time.

The calcium carbonate seemed to work for a few days, then the cramps

would seem to be returning at times, but not as strong as before.

In the past few days I thought maybe all this has to do with a

digestion problem? So I looked in your files this morning and tried

the baking soda test for low/high stomach acid.

I didn't have any of the symptoms that were listed for low stomach

acid in the article, but all along I have been wondering whether or

not I am absorbing nutrients in food and supplements very well. I

began to feel better in the first couple of months when I started

your diet program, felt better than I had in a very long time, but

over the last 3 months or so I have had very low energy and thought

something wasn't quite right and I should be doing better than I have

been.

Anyway, when I took the 1/4 t in 8 oz of cold water this morning it

felt like I may burp, but I didn't really burp until after 15 minutes

or so, and then it was a very, very tiny burp.

So I decided to take 6 oz of the lemon seasalt drink to see what

would happen and I had a couple more small burps in a matter of

minutes. It has been an hour now since I took the lemon seasalt water

and I still feel I have to burp as I am writing this to you.

I have been taking all the supplements you recommend since the second

month on your program and have been very faithful to your diet plan

as I so desire to be well. I am almost 5 months into the program now.

I have not taken anything for digestion except the lemon seasalt

drink so far. Do you think I need to take a digestive supplement at

this point? If so Bee, what would you recommend?

Any other changes I need to make?

Thanks SO much for all your help. :-)

Debra NW

[Guest guest]

Debra wrote:

> Hi Bee,

> I haven't been on your forum for quite a while with all that is

going on with my Mom, so didn't have a chance to respond right away

to what you wrote me last time.

==>What is happening with your Mom lately?

>

> The calcium carbonate seemed to work for a few days, then the cramps

> would seem to be returning at times, but not as strong as before.

>

> In the past few days I thought maybe all this has to do with a

> digestion problem? So I looked in your files this morning and tried

> the baking soda test for low/high stomach acid. <snip>

> Anyway, when I took the 1/4 t in 8 oz of cold water this morning it

> felt like I may burp, but I didn't really burp until after 15

minutes or so, and then it was a very, very tiny burp.

>

> So I decided to take 6 oz of the lemon seasalt drink to see what

> would happen and I had a couple more small burps in a matter of

> minutes. It has been an hour now since I took the lemon seasalt

water and I still feel I have to burp as I am writing this to you.

>

> I have been taking all the supplements you recommend since the

second month on your program and have been very faithful to your diet

plan as I so desire to be well. I am almost 5 months into the program

now.

==>You've worked so hard Debra. Good for you!

>

> I have not taken anything for digestion except the lemon seasalt

> drink so far. Do you think I need to take a digestive supplement at

> this point? If so Bee, what would you recommend?

==>Review the section on digestion in the latest revision of my

Candida article - I believe you do need extra help with your

digestion but even taking 1-2 tbls. sauerkraut with every meal can

improve digestion to the point of not requiring hydrochloric acid

tablets, so maybe try that first. To improve your energy do ensure

you are getting the right fat ratios. Even when your energy flags

you can take a teaspoon of coconut oil and it will pick up your

energy very soon, but don't take it too close to bedtime because it

can interfere with sleep. Let me know what helps you.

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

I have not taken anything for digestion except the lemon seasalt

drink so far. Do you think I need to take a digestive supplement at

this point? If so Bee, what would you recommend?

==>Review the section on digestion in the latest revision of my

Candida article

>>>>Yes, I love all the revisions you have been doing lately. I will

do that, thanks!

- I believe you do need extra help with your digestion but even

taking 1-2 tbls. sauerkraut with every meal can improve digestion to

the point of not requiring hydrochloric acid tablets, so maybe try

that first.

>>>>Ok, I haven't been taking sauerkraut at every meal so will try

that too, thanks! I have been thinking it's time to make rejuvelac

again.

To improve your energy do ensure you are getting the right fat

ratios. Even when your energy flags you can take a teaspoon of

coconut oil and it will pick up your energy very soon, but don't take

it too close to bedtime because it can interfere with sleep. Let me

know what helps you.

>>>>Yes, I realize that is very important. I have been on the run so

much caring for Mom that I haven't had much time to be on fitday.com

to make sure I am keeping everything balanced.

I do however make sure I get 5 to 6 T of coconut oil each day before

3:00pm, but do not feel the pickup anymore. :-(

I am pretty worn down and have been trying to take some time to rest,

but it has been very difficult.

New physical things are surfacing like lots of hot flashes the past

week. At first I thought it was just the hot weather we were having

or maybe the niacin I was taking, but it is a definite

unannounced 'hotflash' out of nowhere at all hours of the day and

night.

The past few days I have been feeling things trying to happen in my

sinus area around my eyes, with sneezing and a stuffy head feeling.

The glands in my throat and one of my ears are trying to cause

problems. My lungs have been also trying to get my attention and my

stomach has been upset in different ways after months of having no

problems at all.

Is there anything else I can do to help fortify my diet during this

very challenging time with my Mom?

Thanks so much for all your help Bee! :-)

Debra NW

[Guest guest]

>

> Is there anything else I can do to help fortify my diet during this

> very challenging time with my Mom?

Hi Debra,

Since this is such a challenging and stressful time, please take some

time to do the breathing exercises as suggested in the Files.

Conscious, deep breathing will help to keep your stress in check and

get some pure oxygen in your body to hopefully give you some much

needed energy.

hugs and prayers,

jackie

[Guest guest]

Bee wrote:

> To improve your energy do ensure you are getting the right fat

> ratios. Even when your energy flags you can take a teaspoon of

> coconut oil and it will pick up your energy very soon, but don't

take it too close to bedtime because it can interfere with sleep.

Let me know what helps you.

Debra wrote:

> >>>>Yes, I realize that is very important. I have been on the run

so > much caring for Mom that I haven't had much time to be on

fitday.com to make sure I am keeping everything balanced.

>

> I do however make sure I get 5 to 6 T of coconut oil each day

before 3:00pm, but do not feel the pickup anymore. :-( I am pretty

worn down and have been trying to take some time to rest, but it has

been very difficult.

==>Debra, you are going through such a difficult time caring and

worrying about your Mom. You are going to feel fatigued from that

alone. Emotions play a big part in our health and how we feel.

>

> New physical things are surfacing like lots of hot flashes the past

> week. At first I thought it was just the hot weather we were having

> or maybe the niacin I was taking, but it is a definite

> unannounced 'hotflash' out of nowhere at all hours of the day and

> night.

==>Hotflashes are signs the body needs to detox. Are you able to do

dry skin brushing at least once a day?

>

> The past few days I have been feeling things trying to happen in my

> sinus area around my eyes, with sneezing and a stuffy head feeling.

> The glands in my throat and one of my ears are trying to cause

> problems. My lungs have been also trying to get my attention and my

> stomach has been upset in different ways after months of having no

> problems at all. Is there anything else I can do to help fortify my

diet during this very challenging time with my Mom? Thanks so much

for all your help Bee! :-)

==<Debra, I feel for you so. You are doing everything you can to

fortify yourself. Extra vitamin C will help you most at this time;

in the morning make up a container full of ocean sea salt, lemon and

vitamin C for the day. Start with 4,000 mg vitamin C (sodium

ascorbate) or more and each day increase it.

Love & hugs, Bee