Re: No Such Thing as Candidiasis! (was: Question about kid's drinks)

[Guest guest]

wrote:

....my own physician tells me there is no such thing as candidiasis.--

-----

Hi

I can't believe your physician has stated that there is no such thing as

Candidiasis! I mean, it's not like it's some made up thing! Get him to check out

his medical books again or present him with a print out from the Net! I am sure

there are numerous studies that have been done, just by checking out MedScape or

PubMed or other medical sites. Gosh, if you don't want to do it, I will do it

for you. Just e-mail me off the list and I will launch into medical research

mode for you! I'm getting kind of good at it with my research on cea.

Maybe it's time to change physicians?!

Jen

[Guest guest]

At 11:35 AM 6/27/06 -0700, susan krukas wrote:

>Why are some drs not open to the possibilty of this condition?

My guesses, in order of likelihood...

(a) because that's what they were taught

( because they'd have to change every regimen they give to every patient

they have

© because it would mean facing the fact that they've been making people

sicker for years

(d) because they are actually evil shapeshifting alien reptiles from outer

space

- S.

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[Guest guest]

>

> Maybe it's time to change physicians?!

>

> Jen

>

Jen -- Boy, did I open a can of worms! I'm sure that everyone on this

list could make similar statements about their MD's. Yes, I did find a

new doctor but while this new doctor acknowledged candida, he still

would not diagnose it either. He said, " well, I have heard of that but

my industry doesn't recognize it as a medical diagnosis. " He did give

me literature on yeast and said I could try a health food store for

more help and wished me luck. Fortunately, my luck came in the form

Bee and this group of people:)--

[Guest guest]

I guess many people participating in this group have asked a

doctor's opinion, and he/she probably didn't have a clue of why you

were having those strange symptoms. When I told my doctor (after

many thousand of dollars in endoscopy, colonoscopy, and visits)that

I was having a lot of problems with sugar and carbs, he

said: " mmm...you shouldn't have that problem " ...and then he changed

the subject, like it wasn't important. Go figure.

Francisca

> >

> > Maybe it's time to change physicians?!

> >

> > Jen

> >

> Jen -- Boy, did I open a can of worms! I'm sure that everyone on

this

> list could make similar statements about their MD's. Yes, I did

find a

> new doctor but while this new doctor acknowledged candida, he

still

> would not diagnose it either. He said, " well, I have heard of

that but

> my industry doesn't recognize it as a medical diagnosis. " He did

give

> me literature on yeast and said I could try a health food store

for

> more help and wished me luck. Fortunately, my luck came in the

form

> Bee and this group of people:)--

>

[Guest guest]

I have to give doctors some credit though, their practices are good

when you are in an accident or need urgent attention. Otherwise, for

cronic diseases they are cluless.

Francisca

>

[Guest guest]

LOL! I believe answer D is most likely!

I have had 2 doctors now acknowledge this could most likely be my problem and

about 10 before who never suggested it or thought it wasn't a true issue

(including " alternative " practictioners).

If they had to deal with candida as a real issue, they couldn't give u all the

medicines to spot patch all the separate problems. I think if they couldn't

dispense antidepressants or antibiotics or pain medications etc etc, their alien

selves would not have any clue what to do anyhow.

~Anita

Sisyphus <sisyphus@...> wrote: At

11:35 AM 6/27/06 -0700, susan krukas wrote:

>Why are some drs not open to the possibilty of this condition?

My guesses, in order of likelihood...

(d) because they are actually evil shapeshifting alien reptiles from outer

space

- S.

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,

My doctor said almost exactly the same thing, however she said it wouldn't

hurt me to be on this program. Then when I saw her again after another 4 or

5 weeks, and she saw how well I was doing physically, plus my weight loss

and the results of my bloodwork, she said... " Well, I still can't

definitively say you have Candidiasis but I wholeheartedly approve the

program you're on and encourage you to stick with it. "

My physical medicine specialist also approves of what I'm doing and even

said I am moving so well now, no FMS pain, etc that I only have to go back

if I get worse again.

Of course, I wouldn't have even had this discussion with either of them if

not for this group.

Ellen

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From: " " <JuneRose474@...>

Re: No Such Thing as Candidiasis!

>>>but while this new doctor acknowledged candida, he still

> would not diagnose it either. He said, " well, I have heard of that but

> my industry doesn't recognize it as a medical diagnosis. " <<<

[Guest guest]

I believe the biggest issues with doctors is

marketing. I think that marketing has (a mostly

negative) influence on just about everything in

health.

It's not about what is good for people, and often

studies are " fixed " or interpreted in such a way that

they show favor for the people sponsoring them.

So the wheat council and the dairy council get

together and tell everyone that you will lose weight

eating their products, you need their products, etc.

They in turn publish studies (they pay for) that

doctors read who go to medical school, and this

effects what they doctors believe about nutrition and

health and medicine.

It is mass brain washing with the only intention being

to make money. I don't believe that doctors or

companies collectively are out to make people sick,

but I believe that at some point information was

provided to them that really was biased, and because

it supports the party line it's accepted as rote.

The party line has been around for so long now (low

fat/high carb, fake medicines) that it is hard for a

doctor to risk his/her entire reputation (the way Dr.

Crook, Dr. Atkins, Drs. Eades) did.. and can you

really blame some of them?

How many of us have suggested massive doses of vitiman

C, and garlic for a sick relative/friend, only to have

them laugh at us as they gulp down their antibiotics,

nyquil, what have you. Doctors aren't much different,

plus additionally if they tell you take garlic and

that doesn't work, they are liable in this

law-suit-happy-land!

But if only those doctors only knew that there was a

niche for doctors like them and that many of us would

make them our champions.

When you get a natural product that is a miracle, like

coconut oil or oregano oil or garlic or vitamin C,

there aren't any big companies that are backing up

these studies or letting the information get into the

main stream, so it's no wonder it's so hard to beat

down the memes of misinformation from the past.

Many people have already been hopelessly addicted to

carbs (like how many were addicted to cigarettes

before it was common knowledge how unsafe they were)

and they pass that addiction down to the next

generation, and it is very hard to break that viscious

cycle.

Trust me I know, I can't get my husband to eat good at

all, even though I fear that he will be a very bad

influence on our son who I ensure eats a Paleo diet.

So I feel in order to have good health, you have to go

completely against marketing, and try things that you

know are intuitively natural and that have centuries

of anecdotal evidence behind them (like onions and

garlic do) rather than the latest pill that may make

you sick or sicker.

This is why I love this group so much, because of the

non-mainstream, non-marketing-driven way of thinking

here, with the focus on natural foods and natural

solutions for optimal health.

Thanks for letting me share, sorry for rambling.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- susan krukas <tauttodream@...> wrote:

> i like d the best : ) sue

>

> susan krukas <tauttodream@...> wrote:

> I have a gastro dr who said the same thing and told

> me to not gt caugth up in the yeast conenction

> thing. I educated him and he was not open to my

> thoughts. I found a new dr and one who diagnosed me

> with over growth of yeast without my bringing it up.

> Why are some drs not open to the possibilty of this

> condition?

> Sue

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

Today is the most important day.

[Guest guest]

>

> I have a gastro dr who said the same thing and told me to not gt

caugth up in the yeast conenction thing. I educated him and he was not

open to my thoughts. I found a new dr and one who diagnosed me with

over growth of yeast without my bringing it up. Why are some drs not

open to the possibilty of this condition?

==>Sue, it could be because: 1) they are ignorant and are not open to

anything other than what they are taught, 2) acknowledging candida

threatens them because their treatments caused it and their treatments

will not cure it.

==>It is well-known that many cancer patients go into remission when

they've been given nystatin or another antifungal medicine. Many

cancers are misdiagnosed, when they are actually candida.

==>My sister is a Hospice RN and she says every cancer patient has

candida but doctors don't treat it because the patient is already dying

of cancer. They only treat hospice patients to make them comfortable

while they die and that is all. Horrid, isn't it??

Bee

[Guest guest]

That's excellent S!!! I agree, especially with the last one. LOL!

Thanks for the laugh.

Bee

> >Why are some drs not open to the possibilty of this condition?

>

> My guesses, in order of likelihood...

>

> (a) because that's what they were taught

>

> ( because they'd have to change every regimen they give to every

patient

> they have

>

> © because it would mean facing the fact that they've been making

people

> sicker for years

>

> (d) because they are actually evil shapeshifting alien reptiles

from outer

> space

>

> - S.

[Guest guest]

Francisca wrote:

>

> I have to give doctors some credit though, their practices are good

> when you are in an accident or need urgent attention. Otherwise, for

> cronic diseases they are cluless.

==>They do provide good emergency care, but if you have to be

hospitalized the food makes you sicker. They don't have a clue about

nutrition and how the body can heal itself if you give it what it

needs, and they bought the Louis Pasteur's lies about the germ theory

of disease, which was a fraud because he even falsified his own lab

tests. Whereas his colleague Bechamp got it right - that you do

not " catch " germs, bacteria, etc. but it is the condition of the body

that allows minute microbes in your own body to change, called

pleomorphism, into viruses, bacteria, etc. in order to clean up toxins,

and if it does not get corrected it eventually changes into yeast

(candida) and then cancer. Many other researchers have also discovered

the same thing as Bechamp including Rife, Naessens, Enderlein, etc. and

they have proved it with special microscropes that show up these

extremely tiny microbes. They've taken pictures of the pleomorphism as

well. And we are all born with these tiny microbes and they are also

present in all life, plants, rocks, etc.

Dr. Otto Warburg won a nobel prize for his discovery of the cause of

cancer which is sugar, including high carb foods, and lack of oxygen.

So the basis of medical science is false, and all treatments are

suppressing the immune system and making people sicker, rather than

building up the body's immune system with nutrition, herbs, spices, and

other natural substances which provides the body with more oxygen.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Francisca wrote:

>

> I guess many people participating in this group have asked a

> doctor's opinion, and he/she probably didn't have a clue of why you

> were having those strange symptoms. When I told my doctor (after

> many thousand of dollars in endoscopy, colonoscopy, and visits)that

> I was having a lot of problems with sugar and carbs, he

> said: " mmm...you shouldn't have that problem " ...and then he changed

> the subject, like it wasn't important. Go figure.

==>Many people have false ideas about sugar and carbs just like

doctors. My own daughter says that sugar doesn't act the same way in

her body as it does in mine! Meanwhile she has vaginal yeast

constantly, gets sick with colds and flu, and gets very sick stomach

almost every day!! She also says that Gatorade is the best electrolyte

drink in the world, because the doctor said so!

Bee

[Guest guest]

Ellen wrote:

>

> ,

> My doctor said almost exactly the same thing, however she said it

wouldn't hurt me to be on this program. Then when I saw her again

after another 4 or 5 weeks, and she saw how well I was doing

physically, plus my weight loss and the results of my bloodwork, she

said... " Well, I still can't definitively say you have Candidiasis but I

wholeheartedly approve the program you're on and encourage you to stick

with it. "

==>Your doctor has common sense, and many do. When I was curing my

candida in the mid 1980s I got a stomach flu and ended up in the

hospital, and my doctor and another one stood there and told me that

candida overgrowth did not exist. I said " the program I did works so

you could call it Nuts or Bolts disease for all I care. " LOL!

Bee

[Guest guest]

Dear Debby,

Thank you so much for saying it like it is, and for expressing it so

well! I agree with you!

Luv, Bee

>

> I believe the biggest issues with doctors is

> marketing. I think that marketing has (a mostly

> negative) influence on just about everything in

> health.

>

> It's not about what is good for people, and often

> studies are " fixed " or interpreted in such a way that

> they show favor for the people sponsoring them.

>

> So the wheat council and the dairy council get

> together and tell everyone that you will lose weight

> eating their products, you need their products, etc.

>

> They in turn publish studies (they pay for) that

> doctors read who go to medical school, and this

> effects what they doctors believe about nutrition and

> health and medicine.

>

> It is mass brain washing with the only intention being

> to make money. I don't believe that doctors or

> companies collectively are out to make people sick,

> but I believe that at some point information was

> provided to them that really was biased, and because

> it supports the party line it's accepted as rote.

>

> The party line has been around for so long now (low

> fat/high carb, fake medicines) that it is hard for a

> doctor to risk his/her entire reputation (the way Dr.

> Crook, Dr. Atkins, Drs. Eades) did.. and can you

> really blame some of them?

>

> How many of us have suggested massive doses of vitiman

> C, and garlic for a sick relative/friend, only to have

> them laugh at us as they gulp down their antibiotics,

> nyquil, what have you. Doctors aren't much different,

> plus additionally if they tell you take garlic and

> that doesn't work, they are liable in this

> law-suit-happy-land!

>

> But if only those doctors only knew that there was a

> niche for doctors like them and that many of us would

> make them our champions.

>

> When you get a natural product that is a miracle, like

> coconut oil or oregano oil or garlic or vitamin C,

> there aren't any big companies that are backing up

> these studies or letting the information get into the

> main stream, so it's no wonder it's so hard to beat

> down the memes of misinformation from the past.

>

> Many people have already been hopelessly addicted to

> carbs (like how many were addicted to cigarettes

> before it was common knowledge how unsafe they were)

> and they pass that addiction down to the next

> generation, and it is very hard to break that viscious

> cycle.

>

> Trust me I know, I can't get my husband to eat good at

> all, even though I fear that he will be a very bad

> influence on our son who I ensure eats a Paleo diet.

>

> So I feel in order to have good health, you have to go

> completely against marketing, and try things that you

> know are intuitively natural and that have centuries

> of anecdotal evidence behind them (like onions and

> garlic do) rather than the latest pill that may make

> you sick or sicker.

>

> This is why I love this group so much, because of the

> non-mainstream, non-marketing-driven way of thinking

> here, with the focus on natural foods and natural

> solutions for optimal health.

>

> Thanks for letting me share, sorry for rambling.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bee. I combat the mass marketing by buying

beauty products.. quality water to keep my skin clear

and glowing, coconut oil to help with weight loss,

garlic to keep me from getting colds, good meats to

build my muscles and keep me toned, etc.

Beauty/Health as nature intended, not as some

marketing guy dreamed up. Just got my tallow in the

mail... grass fed! Looking forward to trying it.. it

looks lovely!

Luv,

Debby

san , CA

--- Bee Wilder <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

> Dear Debby,

> Thank you so much for saying it like it is, and for

> expressing it so

> well! I agree with you!

>

> Luv, Bee

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

Today is the most important day.

[Guest guest]

Debby wrote:

>

> Thanks Bee. I combat the mass marketing by buying

> beauty products.. quality water to keep my skin clear

> and glowing, coconut oil to help with weight loss,

> garlic to keep me from getting colds, good meats to

> build my muscles and keep me toned, etc.

==>You are welcome Debby! I'm so happy you combat mass marketing! I

even stopped using health store hair spray & gels in favor of water

and coconut oil to spruce up my hair, and I use coconut oil as a

lotion and face moisturizer.

>

> Beauty/Health as nature intended, not as some

> marketing guy dreamed up. Just got my tallow in the

> mail... grass fed! Looking forward to trying it.. it

> looks lovely!

==>I'll be looking forward to hearing how you do with the tallow!

Luv, Bee

[Guest guest]

==>Many people have false ideas about sugar and carbs just like

doctors. My own daughter says that sugar doesn't act the same way in

her body as it does in mine! Meanwhile she has vaginal yeast

constantly, gets sick with colds and flu, and gets very sick stomach

almost every day!! She also says that Gatorade is the best electrolyte

drink in the world, because the doctor said so!

Bee

wow, its so interesting to see this from the mom/daughter perspective.. for me,

its my mom telling me that there's nothing wrong with sugar and carbs.

meanwhile, my dad (who had a stroke several years ago, and is not fully

recovered) has i.b.s., but has gone back onto carbs and refined sugar ever since

the stroke happened (!!!), claiming that he's been cured of it since the stroke

(I kid you not, I could not make this kind of stuff up!).

it makes me wonder if i'm going to be cursed with children that defy me re all

things nutritional myself one day. i guess the cultural norms, and the

socio-economic pressures are just so strong (but often unacknowledged) on people

that even the word of a trusted loved one often isn't enough to see some of the

truth.

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[Guest guest]

I had more than one physician tell me there was no such thing - one

even put it in writing. I changed physicians which made all the

difference. She isn't totally knowledgeable, but she listens and

will support alternative approaches.

It's easier for them to deny its existence rather than accept that

they are part of the problem (especially in my case) with over-

prescribing antibiotics.

> ...my own physician tells me there is no such thing as candidiasis.-

-

> -----

> Hi

>

> I can't believe your physician has stated that there is no such

thing as Candidiasis! I mean, it's not like it's some made up thing!

Get him to check out his medical books again or present him with a

print out from the Net! I am sure there are numerous studies that

have been done, just by checking out MedScape or PubMed or other

medical sites. Gosh, if you don't want to do it, I will do it for

you. Just e-mail me off the list and I will launch into medical

research mode for you! I'm getting kind of good at it with my

research on cea.

>

> Maybe it's time to change physicians?!

>

> Jen

>

>

[Guest guest]

When my doughter was in the hospital because of ashma complications

(like 7 times before she was 6 years old)the 'menu' for her one time

was a gigantic white toast soaking in something that it looked like

butter but didn't tasted like it (probably some kind of margarine),

apple juice and a brownie...for somebody that was taking

antibiotics...I starting to think that she also has candidiasis...

Francisca

[Guest guest]

Bee wrote:

> ==>Many people have false ideas about sugar and carbs just like

> doctors. My own daughter says that sugar doesn't act the same

way in her body as it does in mine! Meanwhile she has vaginal yeast

constantly, gets sick with colds and flu, and gets very sick stomach

almost every day!! She also says that Gatorade is the best

electrolyte drink in the world, because the doctor said so!

>Ann wrote:

> wow, its so interesting to see this from the mom/daughter

perspective.. for me, its my mom telling me that there's nothing

wrong with sugar and carbs. meanwhile, my dad (who had a stroke

several years ago, and is not fully recovered) has i.b.s., but has

gone back onto carbs and refined sugar ever since the stroke

happened (!!!), claiming that he's been cured of it since the stroke

(I kid you not, I could not make this kind of stuff up!).

>

> it makes me wonder if i'm going to be cursed with children that

defy me re all things nutritional myself one day. i guess the

cultural norms, and the socio-economic pressures are just so strong

(but often unacknowledged) on people that even the word of a trusted

loved one often isn't enough to see some of the truth.

+++Ann, it's weird because I didn't feed my kids junk food when they

were growing up. I had lots of fresh fruits & vegetables for snacks,

but no sweets or junk foods. If they wanted them they either had to

make a pre-mixed snacking cake or buy them with their allowance.

But my daughter thinks I'm gullible to the internet, and that

everything on it is questionable, and mostly false, yet she believes

advertising and doctors. That doesn't make sense does it?

==>At the same time she asks me how to deal with something specific,

i.e. when she had acne 4-5 years ago, but she said " no offense mom,

I'm sure what you advise will work, but I don't want to take the

long route, I want a quick fix, " so she went on Accutane. Go

figure. She also asked me what she could do to keep mosquitos away

from May who swells up like made from bites. So I bought

natural mosquito lotion and some vitamins, but my daughter and her

husband refused to give May the vitamins because " it states on

the bottle to consult the doctor " , yet they were feeding her Kraft

Dinner & Gatorade. ???XXXX~~Grrr - it makes me want to scream.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Francisca wrote:

>

> When my doughter was in the hospital because of ashma complications

> (like 7 times before she was 6 years old)the 'menu' for her one time

> was a gigantic white toast soaking in something that it looked like

> butter but didn't tasted like it (probably some kind of margarine),

> apple juice and a brownie...for somebody that was taking

> antibiotics...I starting to think that she also has candidiasis...

==>How awful. What happened to feeding sick people chicken soup and

poached eggs? Both of my parents became sick with bowel problems &

headaches from the hospital food when my dad was hospitalized recently

(my mother stayed in a bed beside him because it was too far for her

to drive every day).

Bee

[Guest guest]

--- Bee Wilder <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

> But my daughter thinks I'm gullible to the internet,

> and that

> everything on it is questionable, and mostly false,

> yet she believes

> advertising and doctors. That doesn't make sense

> does it?

Hi Bee,

No, It doesnt make sense at all. Next time your

daughter follows this line of logic, ask her what the

people online sharing their personal experiences for

free or doing research without big sponsors have to

gain?

As opposed to doctors who get perks from drug

companies and allt he products people have to sell?

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

Today is the most important day.

[Guest guest]

--- Bee Wilder <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

> ==>You are welcome Debby! I'm so happy you combat

> mass marketing! I

> even stopped using health store hair spray & gels in

> favor of water

> and coconut oil to spruce up my hair, and I use

> coconut oil as a

> lotion and face moisturizer.

I use an inexpensive tea trea/olive oil castille soap

for body (large large container for 8 bucks or

something?) and jojoba oil in my hair.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

Today is the most important day.

[Guest guest]

>

> ==>It is well-known that many cancer patients go into remission

> they've been given nystatin or another antifungal medicine. Many

> cancers are misdiagnosed, when they are actually candida.

> My sister is a Hospice RN and she says every cancer patient has

> candida but doctors don't treat it because the patient is already

dying of cancer.

Bee--I do remember my doctor telling me that candida is a problem

with cancer patients, not normal otherwise healthy people with

symptoms such as I've described. He said that yeast overgrowth occurs

from chemo and not from what you eat.

Anyway, on another note, I lost my mother to lung cancer recently and

my sister and I have always wondered if yeast played a role in her

getting sick. Other than her being a former smoker (quit 20 years

ago) she had no family history of cancer and her parents and siblings

lived well into their 90's. My sister recalls that my mother always

had a yeast issue (though I don't remember it) and my mother was

always eating yogurt and taking acidoph to combat it. Is it true

there is yeast in cigarettes?--

[Guest guest]

Bee, How terribly frustrating that must feel! I had an argument with my stepdad

recently telling him what I have learned about cholesterol and the myths. I was

surprised that he actually got angry and adamant that I was wrong. I mean, what

about saying, " Interesting..can you pass me the information/literature on this? "

Instead he refused to even consider mainstream information was wrong in any way

and got angry. Angry? Why get angry about it?

I give up on him. You can only spread the word and hope someone is open to it.

~Anita

Bee Wilder <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

==>At the same time she asks me how to deal with something specific,

i.e. when she had acne 4-5 years ago, but she said " no offense mom,

I'm sure what you advise will work, but I don't want to take the

long route, I want a quick fix, " so she went on Accutane. Go

figure. She also asked me what she could do to keep mosquitos away

from May who swells up like made from bites. So I bought

natural mosquito lotion and some vitamins, but my daughter and her

husband refused to give May the vitamins because " it states on

the bottle to consult the doctor " , yet they were feeding her Kraft

Dinner & Gatorade. ???XXXX~~Grrr - it makes me want to scream.

Bee

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