A few questions, need advice - Bee can you help?

March 2, 2005

Hi everyone,

I am rereading Bee's how to overcome.... again. I have some questions.

1) How long for each phase to last? Is there a set time for each one?

2) How long do we have to take the herbs/supplements? It seems that ph will

be taking a dozen or more herbs a day eventually, as we progress through this.

3) How do I know it is time to stop taking a specific herb or supplements None

of the books or articles that I have read really gives a x, y, and z plan. I am

that kind of person that needs something laid out for them to understand how to

go about using it.

4) If I am looking for symptoms to disappear on ph then what am I looking

for so that I know it is time to move on to the next step/phase?

I really appreciate everyone's help. I can see that ph is getting better day

by day. He did have a bad day today, going nuts trying to scratch himself. I

didn't give him anything that he is allergic to (that we know of) so I assume it

is one of those days that you do a lot of healing and then the next day you will

feel much better. I hope so!

Thanks again everyone!

~ Ouida ~

Wife to Damian, momma to , Abigail, Jubilee Faith, ph and soon to

Isabella Grace.

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March 3, 2005

Ouida wrote:

> I am rereading Bee's how to overcome.... again. I have some

questions.

> 1) How long for each phase to last? Is there a set time for each

one?

==>There is no set time for healing. I haven't written about phases

because it is very individual.

>

> 2) How long do we have to take the herbs/supplements? It seems

that ph will be taking a dozen or more herbs a day eventually, as

we progress through this.

==>That also depends upon ph's progress. What is he currently

taking?

> 3) How do I know it is time to stop taking a specific herb or

supplements None of the books or articles that I have read really

gives a x, y, and z plan. I am that kind of person that needs

something laid out for them to understand how to go about using it.

==>If you give me a list of what he is taking I might be able to help

you.

>

> 4) If I am looking for symptoms to disappear on ph then what am

I looking for so that I know it is time to move on to the next

step/phase?

==>Maybe make a list of the symptoms he's had, and now has, to keep

track of his progress easier. What step/phase are you thinking of

doing next that you haven't been doing so far?

> I really appreciate everyone's help. I can see that ph is

getting better day by day. He did have a bad day today, going nuts

trying to scratch himself. I didn't give him anything that he is

allergic to (that we know of) so I assume it is one of those days

that you do a lot of healing and then the next day you will feel much

better. I hope so!

==>He will have goods days and bad days, with his goods days

increasing and his bad days decreasing. New symptoms may also

appear, be there for a while, and then also disappear. It's all part

of the healing process. Did you give him epsom salts baths?

Bee

March 3, 2005

Hello again Bee,

==>That also depends upon ph's progress. What is he currently

taking?

I should note that dh and I are thinking we need to cut back on some of the

stuff we are giving ph. It seems to be overwhelming his system. With that

said, here is a list of what he is taking right now:

1/4 tsp coconut oil a day

about 5 vitamin C tablets daily

1/4 tsp liquid chlorophyll 3x daily (sometimes I forget the last dose at dinner

time though)

4 acidophilus (= 2 billion cells right now)

1/4 tsp olive leaf extract

multivitamin

coconut oil 3x daily on skin

Euricin up to 8 times daily on skin, minimum 3x daily with coconut oil

This is his list, that I can think of right now.

I will start keeping track of his symptoms daily. Yesterday he was crazy with

itching. I thought perhaps he had too many avocados! Like I said in another post

he can eat 2 or 3 and be fine but yesterday something got into him and made him

another person. Oh, we are trying to get him in the sun daily too. He spent a

hour outside yesterday.

I am trying to keep in mind that he will have good and bad days. It is just

hard to see him like this and then on top of it I question if I am doing

something wrong (such as giving too many avocados) to cause his itching to

happen. I know there is good itching for healing, I just wish I knew when it was

just due to that!

We are trying the Epsom salt baths. The problem is that ph can only sit in

the tub for about 5 minutes at the most. Our water is REALLY hard, which is bad

for our skin as it is, put that on top of ph going to town with his itching

during bath times and it makes for a horrible experience. ph can do major

damage while sitting in the tub to his skin. He scratches everywhere, causing

his skin to rip open. I have tried to hold his hands, tried distracting, tried

bringing toys in the bath, he doesn't care. He is a really good boy but when it

comes to him not being able to scratch himself, he turns into a monster. I can't

blame him although we don't tolerate a bad attitude from him when he is like

this.

Thank you for your help again. I appreciate it.

~ Ouida ~

Wife to Damian, momma to , Abigail, Jubilee Faith, ph and soon to

Isabella Grace.

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March 3, 2005

>With that said, here is a list of what he is taking right now:

>

> 1/4 tsp coconut oil a day

> about 5 vitamin C tablets daily

> 1/4 tsp liquid chlorophyll 3x daily (sometimes I forget the last

dose at dinner time though)

> 4 acidophilus (= 2 billion cells right now)

> 1/4 tsp olive leaf extract

> multivitamin

> coconut oil 3x daily on skin

> Euricin up to 8 times daily on skin, minimum 3x daily with coconut

oil

==>Ouida, what is Euricin? The only thing you might consider not

giving him is the multivitamin - they are often very inferior, and

have been known to upset candida sufferers. My adult friend went off

his for a few days and when he tried it again it caused sleep

problems.

>

> I will start keeping track of his symptoms daily. Yesterday he was

crazy with itching. I thought perhaps he had too many avocados! Like

I said in another post he can eat 2 or 3 and be fine but yesterday

something got into him and made him another person. Oh, we are

trying to get him in the sun daily too. He spent a hour outside

yesterday.

==>He could be eating too many avocados. Maybe limit them to 1 per

day and see if that helps. Or you may need to rotate them every 4

days or so.

>

> We are trying the Epsom salt baths. The problem is that ph can

only sit in the tub for about 5 minutes at the most. Our water is

REALLY hard, which is bad for our skin as it is, put that on top of

ph going to town with his itching during bath times and it makes

for a horrible experience.

==>Your water needs baking soda along with the epsom salts. Can you

get a filter? But you could try bathing him in an oatmeal bath (tie

about 1 cup of oatmeal in cheese cloth); when filling the tub run the

water through it, and also swish it in the water well - use it to rub

the oatmeal goop all over his body too. It is soothing and healing.

>>ph can do major damage while sitting in the tub to his skin. He

scratches everywhere, causing his skin to rip open. I have tried to

hold his hands, tried distracting, tried bringing toys in the bath,

he doesn't care. He is a really good boy but when it comes to him

not being able to scratch himself, he turns into a monster. I can't

blame him although we don't tolerate a bad attitude from him when he

is like this.

==>He's being such a good boy for sure. I've experienced that

itching and it drives you mad. You are such good parents. God love

you all.

Bee

March 3, 2005

Hi Bee,

Euricin is a thick cream lotion whatever moisturizer. I just read someone else

post that all of the lotions are toxic and damaging. Makes me think about what

the Euricin may be doing to his skin. It is really thick and greasy. I have

wondered whether it is such a good sealant that it does not allow the toxins to

be released through his skin. What are your thoughts on this? When I don't use

the Euricin then ph scratches even more so I thought it was helping him but

I guess good reasoning can say that if the sealant is NOT on his skin, it allows

his skin to work better therefore he would be scratching more!

I hope this is not a stupid question but if ph is allergic to oatmeal, is it

safe to give him a oatmeal bath? I have really considered oatmeal before but

was so scared that it could cause a adverse reaction. I am willing to try

anything to see if it will help. We did a baking soda/Epsom salt bath tonight.

ph still scratched the entire time but we will try again a couple times

tomorrow. I am hoping it brings some relief to him.

Bee, I saw that you thought we should stop the multi vitamin. We will do that

for sure. Are you thinking that we should NOT stop the rest of the stuff, just

to give him a break from everything? Should I continue as usual? I can't figure

out why ph suddenly stopped enjoying the olive leaf and liquid chlorophyll.

I have to put them in water and then put them in a syringe just to get him to

take them now. He does not really fight me on it but he does not like them

either. I just have realized that perhaps I should have gone slower at giving

him so much good stuff for him, especially when his diet has not been in place

for very long. I am confused for sure. We are planning on going on starting a

complete candida control diet in May (we are allowing for the fact that when we

have our baby, our menu is going to be quick and easy. It is stressful enough

having to rest for two weeks while my husband and oldest daughter cares for

everything, let alone worry about how to get the

candida diet incorporated in our diet). Anyway, we all are going to do the

candida diet and slowly add a vitamin or supplement a month. I figure this not

only helps our bodies but also our pocketbook. Our grocery budget has

skyrocketed from buying lots of veggies, herbs, vitamins and supplements. I

don't mean to complain, please don’t think that, we just live on one income and

it has been really hard to stretch our budget even further than we were. We are

doing without in a lot of other areas because we so much want to make ph

better.

Let me know your thoughts on this, and friends, just because I always ask Bee

for help, I value everyone else's advice too. I just know that Bee has been

through it and knows her research so I make sure that she " sees " my emails.

Thanks a bunch everyone. My hormones have been crazy lately and I am just a

emotional wreck. I am so glad I can come here and have help when I need it, or

at least have others understand where I am coming from.

God bless you all.

~ Ouida ~

Wife to Damian, momma to , Abigail, Jubilee Faith, ph and soon to

Isabella Grace.

__________________________________________________

March 4, 2005

Ouida,

I didn't use epsom salt in the bath. Although epsom salts are very

good for other things, I don't think it's the right thing for itching.

I used only baking soda, it's the baking soda that helped, not the

fact that I was in a bath. I had also tried plain water and it did

nothing. (I would think epsom salts might be even more irritating if

one already had a skin condition as it is a salt).

Elyse

On 3-Mar-05, at 6:15 PM, Ouida wrote:

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> Euricin is a thick cream lotion whatever moisturizer. I just read

> someone else post that all of the lotions are toxic and damaging.

> Makes me think about what the Euricin may be doing to his skin. It is

> really thick and greasy. I have wondered whether it is such a good

> sealant that it does not allow the toxins to be released through his

> skin. What are your thoughts on this? When I don't use the Euricin

> then ph scratches even more so I thought it was helping him but I

> guess good reasoning can say that if the sealant is NOT on his skin,

> it allows his skin to work better therefore he would be scratching

> more!

>

> I hope this is not a stupid question but if ph is allergic to

> oatmeal, is it safe to give him a oatmeal bath? I have really

> considered oatmeal before but was so scared that it could cause a

> adverse reaction. I am willing to try anything to see if it will

> help. We did a baking soda/Epsom salt bath tonight. ph still

> scratched the entire time but we will try again a couple times

> tomorrow. I am hoping it brings some relief to him.

>

> Bee, I saw that you thought we should stop the multi vitamin. We will

> do that for sure. Are you thinking that we should NOT stop the rest

> of the stuff, just to give him a break from everything? Should I

> continue as usual? I can't figure out why ph suddenly stopped

> enjoying the olive leaf and liquid chlorophyll. I have to put them in

> water and then put them in a syringe just to get him to take them now.

> He does not really fight me on it but he does not like them either.

> I just have realized that perhaps I should have gone slower at giving

> him so much good stuff for him, especially when his diet has not been

> in place for very long. I am confused for sure. We are planning on

> going on starting a complete candida control diet in May (we are

> allowing for the fact that when we have our baby, our menu is going to

> be quick and easy. It is stressful enough having to rest for two

> weeks while my husband and oldest daughter cares for everything, let

> alone worry about how to get the

> candida diet incorporated in our diet). Anyway, we all are going to

> do the candida diet and slowly add a vitamin or supplement a month. I

> figure this not only helps our bodies but also our pocketbook. Our

> grocery budget has skyrocketed from buying lots of veggies, herbs,

> vitamins and supplements. I don't mean to complain, please don’t

> think that, we just live on one income and it has been really hard to

> stretch our budget even further than we were. We are doing without in

> a lot of other areas because we so much want to make ph better.

>

> Let me know your thoughts on this, and friends, just because I always

> ask Bee for help, I value everyone else's advice too. I just know

> that Bee has been through it and knows her research so I make sure

> that she " sees " my emails. Thanks a bunch everyone. My hormones have

> been crazy lately and I am just a emotional wreck. I am so glad I can

> come here and have help when I need it, or at least have others

> understand where I am coming from.

>

> God bless you all.

>

> ~ Ouida ~

>

> Wife to Damian, momma to , Abigail, Jubilee Faith, ph and

> soon to Isabella Grace.

> __________________________________________________

>

March 4, 2005

Ouida wrote:

> Euricin is a thick cream lotion whatever moisturizer. I just read

someone else post that all of the lotions are toxic and damaging.

Makes me think about what the Euricin may be doing to his skin. It

is really thick and greasy. I have wondered whether it is such a good

sealant that it does not allow the toxins to be released through his

skin. What are your thoughts on this? When I don't use the Euricin

then ph scratches even more so I thought it was helping him but I

guess good reasoning can say that if the sealant is NOT on his skin,

it allows his skin to work better therefore he would be scratching

more!

==>Do not use Euricin. Use coconut oil only on his skin.

> I hope this is not a stupid question but if ph is allergic to

oatmeal, is it safe to give him a oatmeal bath? I have really

considered oatmeal before but was so scared that it could cause a

adverse reaction.

==>Sorry, maybe don't try oatmeal.

>I am willing to try anything to see if it will help. We did a

baking soda/Epsom salt bath tonight. ph still scratched the

entire time but we will try again a couple times tomorrow. I am

hoping it brings some relief to him.

==>Epsom salts pulls out toxins so he may scratch during a few baths,

but it will help him immensely in the end.

> Bee, I saw that you thought we should stop the multi vitamin. We

will do that for sure. Are you thinking that we should NOT stop the

rest of the stuff, just to give him a break from everything? Should I

continue as usual?

==>Yes, do continue giving him the rest of the stuff. I usually

recommend taking a break from everything, by not taking any of it,

except good food and water for at least one day every couple of weeks.

>>>I can't figure out why ph suddenly stopped enjoying the olive

leaf and liquid chlorophyll. I have to put them in water and then

put them in a syringe just to get him to take them now.

==>I don't believe olive leaf is a good to use as garlic, oil of

oregano or nystatin. Maybe stop the olive leaf for a couple of days

and just give him the chlorophyll. Let his body settle down and

adjust to all this.

>>He does not really fight me on it but he does not like them

either. I just have realized that perhaps I should have gone slower

at giving him so much good stuff for him, especially when his diet

has not been in place for very long. I am confused for sure.

==>You do want to do only one step at a time allowing time for his

body to adjust. Going too quickly, even changing his diet, will

cause more reactions and more itching. You could take a step back

and make sure his diet is correct for at least 2-3 weeks before

adding anything, except coconut oil and chlorophyll.

>>We are planning on going on starting a complete candida control

diet in May (we are allowing for the fact that when we have our baby,

our menu is going to be quick and easy. It is stressful enough

having to rest for two weeks while my husband and oldest daughter

cares for everything, let alone worry about how to get the

> candida diet incorporated in our diet). Anyway, we all are going

to do the candida diet and slowly add a vitamin or supplement a

month. I figure this not only helps our bodies but also our

pocketbook.

==>I think you've made an excellent decision you will never regret.

Everyone will benefit a great deal Ouida. Good for you!

>>Our grocery budget has skyrocketed from buying lots of veggies,

herbs, vitamins and supplements.

==>Maybe some of the herbs, vitamins and supplements may not have

been required. Keep it simple Ouida. Don't make changes too fast.

>>I don't mean to complain, please don't think that, we just live on

one income and it has been really hard to stretch our budget even

further than we were. We are doing without in a lot of other areas

because we so much want to make ph better.

==>I understand how tough it is. It is well worth your sacrifices.

In the long run it will save you money, and your health will be much

improved with less illnesses in your family.

>

> Let me know your thoughts on this, and friends, just because I

always ask Bee for help, I value everyone else's advice too. I just

know that Bee has been through it and knows her research so I make

sure that she " sees " my emails. Thanks a bunch everyone. My hormones

have been crazy lately and I am just a emotional wreck. I am so glad

I can come here and have help when I need it, or at least have

others understand where I am coming from.

==>You and your husband are doing so much Ouida. Be sure to treat

yourself to a nice long epsom salt bath too, or buy a new plant for

your house. You deserve some rewards too. Are you rewarding dear

ph too?

>

> God bless you all.

==>And God bless you and your whole family, esp. ph.

The best in health,

Bee

March 4, 2005

Elyse,

I thought the same thing as you but I looked it up in several resources and it

said it was good for itching. After discussing it with my husband, we decided

to try it and if it didn't help we would stop.

On a side note we tried just baking soda last night and at first it didn't seem

like it was going to help but about 20 minutes after his bath he stopped

itching. I don't know if it was the baking soda but today he had a bath before

nap (I just layed him down) and the same thing happened (we did have epsom salt

too this time).

Also, I am a very happy momma to share that last night was the first night in

weeks that ph pretty much slept though the night. I don't know if it was

the baking soda or the fact that I stopped giving ph his multi vitamin but

either way, I appreciate all the advice I have been receiving. Anybody that

cares for someone at night knows how hard it is to get up several times a night

to care for a loved one. I felt like a new woman this morning!!!! Thanks again!

ej <macedgeca@...> wrote: