Re: reposting: need and want AND a few questions...

[Guest guest]

I'm a new member to this group but from my experience

of dealing with thrush and intestinal candidas the

past few months I can clarify a couple points. This

will also serve to provide the group with an

introduction to my treatment experinces.

1. Yes, I would suggest no cheese whatsoever. But

there are some palatabable substitues that most any

health food store or major grocery chain should carry.

I use shreded " cheeses " that are soy based. Also, if

you're into parmesan I've discovered Vegan by Soymage.

Granted these do not have the taste of the real

thing but you can grow adjusted to the taste.

2. No cream! I've heard that some say that some heavy

is acceptable but I tried it a few times in tea and

found it in itself can promote thrush. I have also

heard that real organic butter is OK and I am usng

that now with no ill side effects. However, I do

alternate it with a substitue.

3. You're speaking of Three-Lac. I started using it

twice a day just last week and it's easy to use.

Although i was skepital at first it seems to be

working on ridding me of this latest onslaught of

thrush.

4. No four- so go forth!

5. How long? that depends on when syptoms disapperar.

Since my first bout with the evil candidas months ago

I have been able to almost control it at will if I get

a flare up. It took me abut three weeks to make I go

bye-bye the first time then I continued on the diet

strictly for another week, later that I still do

certain things like stay away from the MAJOR no-no's

wile reintroducing in small quantites SECONDARY

no-no's.

The bigest no-no's are refined sugar, chocolate, yeast

and caffiene. Secondary no-no's would be most

vinegar, peanuts or cashews, most dairy, wheat. With

the kids this is going to be a big problem. No candy

bars, no cola sodas. The ONLY substitute that I have

found regarding sugar that works is Stevia. I have

used carob cover almonds for a snack but very

sparingly. As far as snacking for kids I might

suggest popcorn. Try to get organic and low kernel.

Oh yea- YOGURT is good food! Have the kids eat it all

the time! becasue I can't stomach the taste of just

plain yogurt all the time I do a 50/50 mix- mixing the

plain with a fruited variety. I eat two cups a day.

Finally, be prepared to go kid grocery shopping and

taking twice as long because your going to be reading

ingredient labels on everything. My rule of thumb is

nothing in my basket with over 8 g of sugar. and watch

the cards because ultimately carbs = sugar. Unless the

item has benefit properties that help promote good

bacteria and gut flora- like yogurt. But even with

yougurt I never get anything with over 15 g of sugar.

Pick up lots of protein: fish, eggs, beef, chicken and

turkey are all good. Veggies too- the greener the

better. Some fruits - in moderation- most are loaded

with sugar but they also offer benefits. I sugest

bananas and pears. Just from experience i can stomach

these best.

I have lots more suggestions- especially ragarding

supplements but I'll save those for a later post.

Egads- too long a reply as it is!

Good Luck with the kids!

--- katja <katja@...> wrote:

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i'm not sure this went through, so...

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well, on monday we're going to be working in earnest

on ridding a baby of

candida in my family, as well as several children in

other families i'm

working with. so, if you have any experience of doing

this with kids,

that'd be great

if not, well, i'll submit a report in full.

and while i'm at it, i do have a few clarifying

questions. i know the

answers, but i'm reticent to accept them, so here we

go.

1. really? no cheese? not any kind of cheese?

2. cream? not even cream?

3. there's a three. i just can't remember it. truly, i

should be in bed!

4. as per tradition, there is no # 4.

5. how long? i suppose that varies by person, but how

do you know when you

can safely reintroduce milk, for example?

thanks!

katja

[Guest guest]

Dear Katja,

So sorry I didn't get back to you until now. It was a very rough

week at work.

>>>>>well, on monday we're going to be working in earnest on ridding

a baby of candida in my family, as well as several children in other

families i'm working with. so, if you have any experience of doing

this with kids, that'd be great if not, well, i'll submit a report

in full.

====>In answer to your question, I haven't worked directly with

children. However the treatment wouldn't be similar except for

dosages and some products would be more difficult to give to them,

i.e. oregano oil. I half-way assisted my girlfriend with her son a

few years ago - he was 10 at the time. He was cured with powdered

nystatin, the diet, acidophilus, and supplements.

>

>>>>and while i'm at it, i do have a few clarifying questions. i know

the answers, but i'm reticent to accept them, so here we go.

>>>>1. really? no cheese? not any kind of cheese?

>>>>2. cream? not even cream?

===>Yes, no cheese and no cream is correct, because they are dairy

containing lactose (sugar), and cheese is a moldy food. Also

pasteurized dairy has had all of its enzymes destroyed and is very

difficult to digest, making it almost impossible to obtain nutrients

from them, i.e. calcium. Here's one article about not drinking

pasteurized milk http://www.mercola.com/article/milk/no_milk.htm

But a search at Dr. Mercola's site will also give many more.

Some hard white cheeses may be okay for some people after getting

through the 1st phase of treatment.

>>>>>3. there's a three. i just can't remember it. truly, i should be

in bed!

====>You mean ThreeLac. I don't recommend it. It is highly

advertised, making wild claims that you can take it without dieting

to get rid of candida, which is not possible. I've also heard

reports from a number of people who didn't do well on it. I like to

recommend the " tried and true, " i.e. garlic, grapefruit seed extract,

oregano oil and especially nystatin.

>>>> 4. as per tradition, there is no # 4.

====>lol! good.

>>>>5. how long? i suppose that varies by person, but how do you know

when you can safely reintroduce milk, for example?

====>Pasteurized milk is not good for anyone. Raw milk is very good,

if you can get it. When to safely reintroduce it? As you said that

depends upon the individual. My candida treatment took a good 2-1/2

years 18 years ago and I stayed off all dairy except butter and hard

white cheeses another 4 years, and even now I can only tolerate kefir

and cream - I can't get raw dairy.

I've enjoyed your posts. You have a wealth of good information to

share. The best to you Katja.

Bee

[Guest guest]

thanks for the responses. here we go below:

> >>>>1. really? no cheese? not any kind of cheese?

> >>>>2. cream? not even cream?

>

>===>Yes, no cheese and no cream is correct, because they are dairy

>containing lactose (sugar), and cheese is a moldy food. Also

>pasteurized dairy has had all of its enzymes destroyed and is very

>difficult to digest, making it almost impossible to obtain nutrients

>from them, i.e. calcium. Here's one article about not drinking

>pasteurized milk http://www.mercola.com/article/milk/no_milk.htm

>But a search at Dr. Mercola's site will also give many more.

>

>Some hard white cheeses may be okay for some people after getting

>through the 1st phase of treatment.

bwahahahahahahaha!

ok, first of all, i wouldn't feed anything pasteurized to my DOG, let alone

my family!! we *only* consume raw or cultured raw dairy products from

organic grassfed pastured cows.

after all, i am a WAPF chapter leader!

> >>>>>3. there's a three. i just can't remember it. truly, i should be

>in bed!

>

>====>You mean ThreeLac. I don't recommend it. It is highly

>advertised, making wild claims that you can take it without dieting

>to get rid of candida, which is not possible. I've also heard

>reports from a number of people who didn't do well on it. I like to

>recommend the " tried and true, " i.e. garlic, grapefruit seed extract,

>oregano oil and especially nystatin.

nonononono. i meant, there was an " item number three " . don't worry - i'm

not interested in threelac, and absolutely not in nystatin. we don't use

chemicals or pharmaceuticals of any kind; i even paint my house without

chemicals. we'll stick to garlic, oregano, cinnamon...etc.

> >>>>5. how long? i suppose that varies by person, but how do you know

>when you can safely reintroduce milk, for example?

>

>====>Pasteurized milk is not good for anyone. Raw milk is very good,

>if you can get it. When to safely reintroduce it? As you said that

>depends upon the individual. My candida treatment took a good 2-1/2

>years 18 years ago and I stayed off all dairy except butter and hard

>white cheeses another 4 years, and even now I can only tolerate kefir

>and cream - I can't get raw dairy.

hmmm.

well, here's the question. we don't have any symptoms except the baby. now,

i know well enough to imagine that we have candida anyway; we've both had

plenty of antibiotics in our lives before getting the clue...we've been

eating 100% NT for over a year now, though, including probiotic foods at

every meal, which i'm sure has helped. i did a short run of rainbow light's

candida cleanse (a month or so), oregano oil, and some other things when

amber was about 3 month old, as we couldn't get rid of the thrush, but at

that time i did not give up dairy (though i did give up grain and sugar).

the thrush cleared up right quick, and has never come back. however, lately

amber (15mos old now) has a textbook candida diaper rash, as well as a few

spots on her face around her mouth that look just like the diaper rash.

i don't think it's really safe to say " you can reintroduce dairy as soon as

the rash goes away " , cause what if there's still some left in her system?

it seems to me there ought to be a buffer period of some kind, i just don't

know what...

maybe i'm going to have to play this by ear. any more comments or opinions

would TOTALLY be welcomed!!

>I've enjoyed your posts. You have a wealth of good information to

>share. The best to you Katja.

<blush> fanks!!

-katja

[Guest guest]

Dear Katja,

About Amber's diaper rash, and when to re-introduce dairy. I don't

recall saying it is safe to " reintroduce dairy as soon as the rash

goes away. " I wouldn't try it until she has been free of rash for at

least 2-3 months.

The best,

Bee

> thanks for the responses. here we go below:

>

> > >>>>1. really? no cheese? not any kind of cheese?

> > >>>>2. cream? not even cream?

> >

> >===>Yes, no cheese and no cream is correct, because they are dairy

> >containing lactose (sugar), and cheese is a moldy food. Also

> >pasteurized dairy has had all of its enzymes destroyed and is very

> >difficult to digest, making it almost impossible to obtain

nutrients

> >from them, i.e. calcium. Here's one article about not drinking

> >pasteurized milk http://www.mercola.com/article/milk/no_milk.htm

> >But a search at Dr. Mercola's site will also give many more.

> >

> >Some hard white cheeses may be okay for some people after getting

> >through the 1st phase of treatment.

>

> bwahahahahahahaha!

> ok, first of all, i wouldn't feed anything pasteurized to my DOG,

let alone

> my family!! we *only* consume raw or cultured raw dairy products

from

> organic grassfed pastured cows.

> after all, i am a WAPF chapter leader!

>

> > >>>>>3. there's a three. i just can't remember it. truly, i

should be

> >in bed!

> >

> >====>You mean ThreeLac. I don't recommend it. It is highly

> >advertised, making wild claims that you can take it without dieting

> >to get rid of candida, which is not possible. I've also heard

> >reports from a number of people who didn't do well on it. I like

to

> >recommend the " tried and true, " i.e. garlic, grapefruit seed

extract,

> >oregano oil and especially nystatin.

>

> nonononono. i meant, there was an " item number three " . don't worry -

i'm

> not interested in threelac, and absolutely not in nystatin. we

don't use

> chemicals or pharmaceuticals of any kind; i even paint my house

without

> chemicals. we'll stick to garlic, oregano, cinnamon...etc.

>

> > >>>>5. how long? i suppose that varies by person, but how do you

know

> >when you can safely reintroduce milk, for example?

> >

> >====>Pasteurized milk is not good for anyone. Raw milk is very

good,

> >if you can get it. When to safely reintroduce it? As you said

that

> >depends upon the individual. My candida treatment took a good 2-

1/2

> >years 18 years ago and I stayed off all dairy except butter and

hard

> >white cheeses another 4 years, and even now I can only tolerate

kefir

> >and cream - I can't get raw dairy.

>

> hmmm.

> well, here's the question. we don't have any symptoms except the

baby. now,

> i know well enough to imagine that we have candida anyway; we've

both had

> plenty of antibiotics in our lives before getting the clue...we've

been

> eating 100% NT for over a year now, though, including probiotic

foods at

> every meal, which i'm sure has helped. i did a short run of rainbow

light's

> candida cleanse (a month or so), oregano oil, and some other things

when

> amber was about 3 month old, as we couldn't get rid of the thrush,

but at

> that time i did not give up dairy (though i did give up grain and

sugar).

> the thrush cleared up right quick, and has never come back.

however, lately

> amber (15mos old now) has a textbook candida diaper rash, as well

as a few

> spots on her face around her mouth that look just like the diaper

rash.

>

> i don't think it's really safe to say " you can reintroduce dairy as

soon as

> the rash goes away " , cause what if there's still some left in her

system?

> it seems to me there ought to be a buffer period of some kind, i

just don't

> know what...

>

> maybe i'm going to have to play this by ear. any more comments or

opinions

> would TOTALLY be welcomed!!

>

>

> >I've enjoyed your posts. You have a wealth of good information to

> >share. The best to you Katja.

>

> <blush> fanks!!

> -katja

[Guest guest]

yeah...i was thinking there'd have to be a buffer like that. i was hoping

it didn't have to be quite so long though!! sugar free is a cake walk, and

we've been gluten free for ages so that's not hard, but living dairy free

is pretty much torture.

-katja

At 07:36 AM 6/28/2004, you wrote:

>Dear Katja,

>

>About Amber's diaper rash, and when to re-introduce dairy. I don't

>recall saying it is safe to " reintroduce dairy as soon as the rash

>goes away. " I wouldn't try it until she has been free of rash for at

>least 2-3 months.

>

>The best,

>Bee