Re: parathyroid -dysbiosis

May 17, 2004

Great post Roy Thanks!!!

Sherry

bioion2000 <royk53@...> wrote:Parathyroid

The parathyroid gland produces a hormone PTH . PTH along with Vitamin

D controls the cellular regulation of calcium and phosphorus.

Dysbiosis is simply a disordered state of microbial balance in either

the oral cavity, GI tract or vaginal cavity. Bacteria, yeast and

parasites are opportunistic and imbalance the hosts nutrition and

immune response.

Causes of dysbiosis are intestinal infection(bacterial

yeast,parasites), antibiotics, drugs, decreased immune function,

digestive problems, increased intestinal ph, decreased motility ,

food allergy and stress.

Candidiasis causes malabsorption and affects calcium and Vitamin D

levels affecting PTH. A candida diet with the absence of diary

products (a major source of calcium) requires supplementation so the

daily requirements are met as well as a Vitamin D source( sun 20

minutes or supplement.Phosphorus is usually plentiful in a good diet.

Roy

May 18, 2004

What you say is usually true, however in my case of hypercalciuria a

different plan was needed. My candida, dysbyois and lack of

hydrocholic acid led to osteoporosis. I now take HCl, B 12, cod liver

oil and I'm on a diet restricting all but 400 mg of dietary calcium a

day.

By the withdrawl of supplemental calcium my parathyroid glands get

the signal that more calcium is needed for bone repair and they send

it to the bones where it belongs. When I was on a high calcium diet

and high calcium supplementation I constantly excreted too much

calcium. So if anyone finds out they have osteoporosis they had

better get the correct testing done before jumping to the conclusion

they need to take more calcuim. My doctor jumped to that conclusion

and wanted to put my on a drug, Fosamax. I asked for more testing and

surprise, surprise, I had hypercalciuria, an easily correctable

condition. I was very happy about the results.

It was Bee who suggested I get the calcium excretion test. Thanks

again Bee.

Roy, would kidney stones also be an indication to get a urine calcium

excretion test?

Sheila

> Parathyroid

>

> The parathyroid gland produces a hormone PTH . PTH along with

Vitamin

> D controls the cellular regulation of calcium and phosphorus.

> Dysbiosis is simply a disordered state of microbial balance in

either

> the oral cavity, GI tract or vaginal cavity. Bacteria, yeast and

> parasites are opportunistic and imbalance the hosts nutrition and

> immune response.

>

> Causes of dysbiosis are intestinal infection(bacterial

> yeast,parasites), antibiotics, drugs, decreased immune function,

> digestive problems, increased intestinal ph, decreased motility ,

> food allergy and stress.

>

> Candidiasis causes malabsorption and affects calcium and Vitamin D

> levels affecting PTH. A candida diet with the absence of diary

> products (a major source of calcium) requires supplementation so

the

> daily requirements are met as well as a Vitamin D source( sun 20

> minutes or supplement.Phosphorus is usually plentiful in a good

diet.

>

> Roy

May 18, 2004

Hi;

Can you explain your symptoms of Hypocalcuria please? Thanks.

May 19, 2004

There are no visable symptoms of hypercalciuria. My osteoporosis,

which was caused by the hyprcalciuria,was discovered by a bone

density scan of the hip and spine. Osteoporosis has few visible

signs, except that a person loses some height or has a fracture which

will not heal properly and causes pain.

I don't get many tests, but I was glad I got the bone scan. I would

have gone along supplementing with calcium at a high level, and all

the time my bones would have been getting thinner and thinner. I

remember, while on a high dose of calcium citrate, I had a lot of

diarrhea and felt really awful. I lost 10 pounds too. I never thought

it was the supplemental calcium causing those problems, but as soon

as I cut back to 400 mg of dietary calcium a day I felt fine.

I think eventually I would have developed kidney stones from the

hypercalciuria. Stones can be very painful. Now that would have been

a SYMPTOM!

Sheila

>

> Hi;

>

> Can you explain your symptoms of Hypocalcuria please? Thanks.

>

May 19, 2004

Sheila,

So if there are not symptoms how does one tell?

Sherry

May 19, 2004

Hi Sherry,

You tell by having two urine calcium level tests several weeks apart.

During the first test you take a lot of supplemental calcium and

during the second you take only the 400 mg of dietary calcium. The

amount of calcium being thrown out by your urine is measured both

times and then you know how your body, including your parathyroids,

are handling the amounts of calcium you are taking.

The urine collecting is done at home over a certain number of hours

and then the large container is returned to the lab for evaluation.

It's easy and non-invasive.

I hope I am making this all clear to you.

Sheila

>

> Sheila,

>

> So if there are not symptoms how does one tell?

>

> Sherry

>

May 19, 2004

Dear Sheila,

Thanks for you excellent post. That's interesting how more calcium

is not better eh? As you know I also have osteoporosis and found

more calcium was not the answer either. I'm doing very well on only

350 mgs. per day with the same amount of magnesium (some times I take

more depending upon how I feel). One day last week I woke up with

slight cramps in my legs and took 200 mgs. magnesium and that did the

trick.

Cod liver oil is very important too, isn't it Sheila? Without it the

calcium can't be used properly in any case.

You have a wealth of knowledge my friend. Thanks for sharing.

Hugs, Bee

> What you say is usually true, however in my case of hypercalciuria

a

> different plan was needed. My candida, dysbyois and lack of

> hydrocholic acid led to osteoporosis. I now take HCl, B 12, cod

liver

> oil and I'm on a diet restricting all but 400 mg of dietary calcium

a

> day.

> By the withdrawl of supplemental calcium my parathyroid glands get

> the signal that more calcium is needed for bone repair and they

send

> it to the bones where it belongs. When I was on a high calcium diet

> and high calcium supplementation I constantly excreted too much

> calcium. So if anyone finds out they have osteoporosis they had

> better get the correct testing done before jumping to the

conclusion

> they need to take more calcuim. My doctor jumped to that conclusion

> and wanted to put my on a drug, Fosamax. I asked for more testing

and

> surprise, surprise, I had hypercalciuria, an easily correctable

> condition. I was very happy about the results.

> It was Bee who suggested I get the calcium excretion test. Thanks

> again Bee.

> Roy, would kidney stones also be an indication to get a urine

calcium

> excretion test?

> Sheila

May 19, 2004

Gosh Sheila that was very clear. . .thanks!

Here is my next question. . .They suspected you had, thus the need for the test,

because you were taking lots of calcium and still had bone loss? Hmmm. . . .I

have bone loss too and have been supplementing for years. . .

I am going to a naturopath on Friday should I ask for the test?

OT Question. . .Are you a watercolorist?

Sherry

h2ocolor1937 <h2ocolor@...> wrote:

Hi Sherry,

You tell by having two urine calcium level tests several weeks apart.

During the first test you take a lot of supplemental calcium and

during the second you take only the 400 mg of dietary calcium. The

amount of calcium being thrown out by your urine is measured both

times and then you know how your body, including your parathyroids,

are handling the amounts of calcium you are taking.

The urine collecting is done at home over a certain number of hours

and then the large container is returned to the lab for evaluation.

It's easy and non-invasive.

I hope I am making this all clear to you.

Sheila

>

> Sheila,

>

> So if there are not symptoms how does one tell?

>

> Sherry

>

May 20, 2004

Hi Sherry,

No one suspected I had hypercalciuria. I pushed for more answers. It

didn't make sense to me that my osteoporosis could be caused by my

raw milk, grass fed beef, bone broths, etc. NT type diet and although

I am aging I know my bones were fine 10 years ago.I knew there had to

be some other cause so I started to do research and ask my nutrition

smart friends what they thought. Bee suggested the calcium excretion

urine test. I looked into how it worked and I agreed with her.

Fortunately I was allowed to get this test. In a perfect world we

could get any test we want, but of course that is not the case at ahe

moment, especially for me on Medicare. We have to get the test agreed

to by somone in the medical establishment.I think a person has to get

to the root of the cause for a problem before they can know what to

do to correct it so I asked for the testing.

If this reduced amount of calcium in my diet doesn't work I will have

to get my parathyroid function checked next. When I was born the

doctor thought my thyroid gland felt too large so he had it zapped

with x-ray. Imagine doing that to a helpless baby. Awful! I take 90mg

of Armour thyroid everyday. I wonder if my parathyroids may have

gotten a bit out of whack from the x-ray.too. I'm having one thing

checked at a time. I have an excellent alternative MD who knows a lot

about the endocrine system. I will discuss this with him tomorrow and

let you know what he says.

You know your calcium intake is only part of the of the solution to

keeping strong bones. Many other minerals play a part in their

health, especially magnesium, vitamin D (sunshine and cod liver oil)

and vitamin K(green veggies). You need all the trace minerals too. Do

you take any supplements or foods(sea weeds or Celtic sea salt) that

contain trace minerals? I use Nori because it is low in calcium, but

high in other minerals. I use Celtic sea salt too.

I am a watecolorist. I paint landscapes.I use acrylics on canvas too.

Are you a watercolorist?

Sheila

> >

> > Sheila,

> >

> > So if there are not symptoms how does one tell?

> >

> > Sherry

> >

May 20, 2004

Sheila,

This is the first I have even heard of the Parathyroid gland. I wonder so many

people are unaware of this. It may very well help all those people heading

toward osteoporosis

Did a little research on the parathyroid glad. . .Very interesting. I was born

with only a half a thyroid. . .I am wondering if the technician looked for the

para glands? I only found out a couple of years ago that I had only a half. I

had a body scan. I have done really well over my life considering I only have

part of it. I did have trouble conceiving my children and I have always had

issues with being cold. I am like a lizard I love the sun.

So what made you have the calcium excretion test rather than the function test

for your para? Is it more expensive?

Oh my gosh they zapped your thyroid? I find it so amazing what doctors have done

to people without even knowing what trouble they may cause down the road.

Couldn't you Mom's doc have waited to see if your thyroid would go down with age

or something. Some doctors don't do enough and others do too much.

I do use Celtic sea salt but only in the last couple of years.

I have never heard of Nori but will do a search on the net to see what it is.

Oh gosh no I don't do watercolor. It is such a complicated medium. YOu have to

be really good at highlights and shadows. I have a very high respect for people

who do watercolor. I would love to be able to master watercolor. I am an

illustrator for a living. . .but watercolor is well to be frank Frightening.

Acrylics I can handle. . .I love pastels but they give me headaches. I must say

I haven't really had time to really get into watercolor. Life is so busy.

Do you have a web site so I could see some of your work?

Thanks so much for all the great information

Sherry

May 21, 2004

Hi Sherry,

I went to my alternative MD today and he thinks a parathyroid hormone

check is a good idea. I will get the blood draw soon. You might

consider talking to your ND about this test.

I met someone who had no parathyroid glands. They were born that

way, similar to your half a thyroid. My doctor was able to help her,

so I trust he will be able to help me too.

The parathyroids are very important for the uptake of calcium into

your bones. Your love of the sun may not be just because of your

thyroid, you may also need vitamin D and the sun can help you get it.

I had my vitamin D level checked and it was a little low. Taking cod

liver oil has brought it up into a better range. Dr. Mercola talks at

length about the vitamin D test and how important it is to be

checked. If you decide to get the level of D checked be sure to get

the 25(OH)D test.

I had the calcium excretion test first because it was the one I knew

about. Now I know more, so I have asked for the parathyroid test.

Medicare or my secondary insurance pays all or most of the cost.

I'm sorry I don't have a web site for my art. My daughter is going to

help me get one set up. I am rather cluelss when it comes to computer

use, but I'm learning. I also make woodblock cards and would like to

sell them via my own web site. It all takes time and as you say life

is mighty busy.

I used to think watercolors were scary, but no more. There is a lot

that can be done to make corrections in watercolors. Think of them as

watered down acrylics. In fact you can paint with thin acrylics and

get a similar effect. Watercolors can be fun. Maybe someday you will

give them a try. Taking a class in watercolors helps one to get over

any concerns of their being difficult. It just paint! Enjoy.

I think it is wonderful you earn a living with illustration work.

Good for you. I will have to visit your web site. Please send an

address if you have a web site.

All my best,

Sheila

-- In , Sherry <sr@s...> wrote:

>

> Sheila,

>

> This is the first I have even heard of the Parathyroid gland. I

wonder so many people are unaware of this. It may very well help all

those people heading toward osteoporosis

>

> Did a little research on the parathyroid glad. . .Very interesting.

I was born with only a half a thyroid. . .I am wondering if the

technician looked for the para glands? I only found out a couple of

years ago that I had only a half. I had a body scan. I have done

really well over my life considering I only have part of it. I did

have trouble conceiving my children and I have always had issues with

being cold. I am like a lizard I love the sun.

>

> So what made you have the calcium excretion test rather than the

function test for your para? Is it more expensive?

>

> Oh my gosh they zapped your thyroid? I find it so amazing what

doctors have done to people without even knowing what trouble they

may cause down the road. Couldn't you Mom's doc have waited to see if

your thyroid would go down with age or something. Some doctors don't

do enough and others do too much.

>

> I do use Celtic sea salt but only in the last couple of years.

> I have never heard of Nori but will do a search on the net to see

what it is.

>

> Oh gosh no I don't do watercolor. It is such a complicated medium.

YOu have to be really good at highlights and shadows. I have a very

high respect for people who do watercolor. I would love to be able to

master watercolor. I am an illustrator for a living. . .but

watercolor is well to be frank Frightening. Acrylics I can

handle. . .I love pastels but they give me headaches. I must say I

haven't really had time to really get into watercolor. Life is so

busy.

>

> Do you have a web site so I could see some of your work?

>

> Thanks so much for all the great information

> Sherry

>

May 21, 2004

Just one more thing Sherry. I read your posts with Dr.M and thought I

should add lack of HCl can cause you to lose bone density. I have had

this lack of HCl problem. It wasn't until I began the correct level

of HCl and started digestive enzymes that I began to feel confident

there was hope for my bones getting denser again. So you see there

are many aspects of nutrtion which can cause bone loss. This is why

all reasons for bone loss should be examined and this is what you are

doing. Bravo!

Your appointment tomorrow should be very worthwile. I'm so glad you

have found a doctor who will help you.

Keep in touch.

Sheila

> >

> > Sheila,

> >

> > This is the first I have even heard of the Parathyroid gland. I

> wonder so many people are unaware of this. It may very well help

all

> those people heading toward osteoporosis

> >

> > Did a little research on the parathyroid glad. . .Very

interesting.

> I was born with only a half a thyroid. . .I am wondering if the

> technician looked for the para glands? I only found out a couple of

> years ago that I had only a half. I had a body scan. I have done

> really well over my life considering I only have part of it. I did

> have trouble conceiving my children and I have always had issues

with

> being cold. I am like a lizard I love the sun.

> >

> > So what made you have the calcium excretion test rather than the

> function test for your para? Is it more expensive?

> >

> > Oh my gosh they zapped your thyroid? I find it so amazing what

> doctors have done to people without even knowing what trouble they

> may cause down the road. Couldn't you Mom's doc have waited to see

if

> your thyroid would go down with age or something. Some doctors

don't

> do enough and others do too much.

> >

> > I do use Celtic sea salt but only in the last couple of years.

> > I have never heard of Nori but will do a search on the net to see

> what it is.

> >

> > Oh gosh no I don't do watercolor. It is such a complicated

medium.

> YOu have to be really good at highlights and shadows. I have a

very

> high respect for people who do watercolor. I would love to be able

to

> master watercolor. I am an illustrator for a living. . .but

> watercolor is well to be frank Frightening. Acrylics I can

> handle. . .I love pastels but they give me headaches. I must say I

> haven't really had time to really get into watercolor. Life is so

> busy.

> >

> > Do you have a web site so I could see some of your work?

> >

> > Thanks so much for all the great information

> > Sherry

> >

May 21, 2004

Sheila,

Your visit to your doctor is very timely for me. I have printed your e-mail and

will be taking it to my appointment tomorrow.

I think you insight about vitamin D may very well be genius. That is incredible

to analyze that I love the sun because I need vitamin D. I bought some cod liver

oil about a month ago and have not tried it. I am actually concerned about the

taste.

The internet is incredible. I can't imagine where I would be without it.

How will they check for the parathyroid? Is that a blood test too? Be sure and

tell me what the results are.

Let me know when you get your site up, I would love to see your stuff.

I do have a website, but am in the process of updating it. I will let you know

when it is finished.

Take Care and Thanks so much

Sherry

April 12, 2011

Hello Bee....i searched this morning on the group and found the message below.

I'm struggling, constantly, with balancing my minerals. My latest episodes have

led to trembling uncontrollably along with leg cramps. It's a guessing game

which way to go sometimes. There is also some dehydration too. I FAITHFULLY do

the diet, no cheating and FAITHFULLY take all the supplements. I have tried

very hard to keep my mag/Ca at 600 each....but I am super sensitive and have had

to adjust both slightly. I see from your message below that it is ok to drop

well below the 600 on Ca? When I get the trembles, I do not sleep well and am

really nervous. I really need advice. Could this be a parathyroid problem?

Sometimes when I adjust, I get it right...the dehydration clears up, the leg

cramps go away, I sleep better and have more energy....BUT it is far and few

between because I have tried per your recommendation to stick to the 600mg each

of Ca/Mg.

could you please advise me as to what to do? I know this isn't a retracing

problem...and I am following everything to a T. Bottom line, I feel bad most of

the time and have been on this diet for 2 years.

Gratefully,

>

> Dear Sheila,

>

> Thanks for you excellent post. That's interesting how more calcium

> is not better eh? As you know I also have osteoporosis and found

> more calcium was not the answer either. I'm doing very well on only

> 350 mgs. per day with the same amount of magnesium (some times I take

> more depending upon how I feel). One day last week I woke up with

> slight cramps in my legs and took 200 mgs. magnesium and that did the

> trick.

>

> Cod liver oil is very important too, isn't it Sheila? Without it the

> calcium can't be used properly in any case.

>

> You have a wealth of knowledge my friend. Thanks for sharing.

>

> Hugs, Bee

>

April 12, 2011

>

> Hello Bee....i searched this morning on the group and found the message below.