Guest guest Posted March 26, 2001 Report Share Posted March 26, 2001 many ob/gyns' will 'turn their nose up' .. i don't pay no attention to them.... I was tested by Great Smokies Lab... and it was a stool sample. In the last 10 years or so blood and stool lab tests have been developed to test for Candida related complex. blood tests were developed over 10 years ago... If you wish to have a blood or stool test performed, you can do it. If you don't have a physician - two labs that can help you (give you referrals, or whatever...in your area) are Meridan Labs at (206)631-8922 and Great Smokies Lab Client Services at 1-800-522-4762. Here's some quotes on blood testing and stool testing: " In blood tests, only the serum, which is part of the fluid portion of the blood, is used. The serum is tested for the presence of 3 distinct candida antibodies called " immunoglobulins " which are a class of structurally distinct antibodies produced in the lymph tissue in response to the invasion of an antigen, a foreign substance. The antibody molecule performs two different functions: antigen recognition and antigen destruction. The antigen in this instance is candida. Even though it lives normally in the body, it is still a foreign organism. Philip Broughton, VP of Antibody Assay Labs in Santa Ana, Ca. said that the measurement of antibodies alone is not a very good marker for active candida overgrowth. One reason is that some types of antibodies produced by your body are present for only a brief time, though others remain for many years after the infection has subsided. This makes it difficult to tell whether you have a current candida infection or whether you had one that has since gone away. The serum test performed by Broughton's lab measures two things: the amounts of immunoglobulin antibodies and the patient's immune complex. His lab and other labs use a candida-specific immune complex test to specifically measure candida overgrowth. An immune complex is formed by the combination of antigens and antibodies. Tests have been designed to measure specific immune complexes. In the case of the candida-specific immune complex, the test establishes the presence of an abnormally increased candida load. Immune complex levels also drop quickly when the load is decreased and this adds to the value of the test. The immune complex text measures how the patient's body is clearing out the invading substance, in this case the candida organism. As the amount of candida increases the immune complex increases. According to Broughton, this close relationship between candida and the immune complex is what makes it such a useful test. " " When testing for Candida overgrowth - Great Smokies lab performs a test known as a comprehensive digestive stool analysis. Actually this test is comprised of three different tests: the stool culture, the serum antibody and a parasitology exam that measures for parasites. This test is a " Candida intensive " test that measures a lot of other information as well. The comprehensive digestive stool analysis measures not just yeast and parasites but also 12 other health variables. These measurements provide the physician with a wide range of information about the patient's overall health, including the condition of the mucosa and the gastrointestinal tract, which runs from the mouth to anus. The doctor at Great Smokies determines If the patient's sample shows an overgrowth of yeast, and then her lab tests for drug sensitivity and resistance. The lab then reports on which drugs or agents will be most effective against the candida and gives guidelines for doctors to follow. Great Smokies lab notes that a lot of samples show resistance to some of the drugs used against the yeast. Drug resistance testing is a fairly standard practice among labs.....not all of the yeast found in stools is Candida Albicans; other varieties of the Candida family may also be present. Of the stool yeast cultures Great Smokies performs, only about 50% of a little less are positive for yeast overgrowth, and about 80 percent of that yeast is Candida Albicans. Although cultures do sometimes test negatively even though there actually is an overgrowth of Candida, the other two common Candida tests performed by Great Smokies (serum and parasite) can correct that problem. The problem with cultures is that the yeast cells that show up in stool samples are sometimes dead. And since you can't grow live yeast cells from dead ones, a stool culture occasionally produces negative results. If there is yeast overgrowth, however both the serum and parasite exams will find it. The parasite exam inspects the stool samples microscopically and looks for and reports on several factors, one of which is dead yeast cells. Its important to do all the tests ifyou are really looking for yeast " . Candida-Related Complex by Winderlin sincerely wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2001 Report Share Posted March 27, 2001 You can diagnose yourself. Take a large dose of antifungals, such as several cloves of garlic and/or oil of oregano and/or caprylic acid, and see if you experience die-off. It will be painful, but it's worth it to know for sure. No other method of diagnoses matches the trial, in my opinion, since everyone has *some* candida in their colon and blood. If you do have a candida problem, what you should definitely do is get a mannitol/lactulose test to see if you have " leaky gut. " This will require dietary and supplemental measures beyond treating the candida problem. GSL has this test, and they will give you a referral to a DR in your area who is familiar with their tests. I also recommend a parasite test. GSL is at http://www.gsdl.com/ (No I don't work for GSL) KB > Hey everybody, > For those of you that have been diagnose with candida which type of > Dr. diagnosed you? I have been to a ton of gyn's and they all turn > there nose everytime I mention the syndrome. They act as though it > doesn't exist. I'd like to go to one insurance covers but that's > pretty much the basic fields. Any advise? > Thanks, > Kristi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2001 Report Share Posted March 27, 2001 In a message dated 3/27/01 1:21:43 AM Central Standard Time, krisnsd@... writes: << which type of Dr. diagnosed you? >> I went to a DO. You can also get a list of doctors who use Great Smokies tests from their lab. I think that you can request it on the website. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2001 Report Share Posted March 27, 2001 Kristi, good luck finding one. I've been to many different kinds and none of them want to treat the systemic kind unless you have AIDS or CANCER. Since I don't have either, I am not given adequate treatment. I am trying colloidal sliver-MSM-and any other product I can instill in my routine. So far, no die-off after taking CS for 1 week. LIZ > [Original Message] > From: <krisnsd@...> > <candidiasis > > Date: 3/26/01 11:20:19 PM > Subject: disbelieving Dr.'s > > Hey everybody, > For those of you that have been diagnose with candida which type of > Dr. diagnosed you? I have been to a ton of gyn's and they all turn > there nose everytime I mention the syndrome. They act as though it > doesn't exist. I'd like to go to one insurance covers but that's > pretty much the basic fields. Any advise? > Thanks, > Kristi > > > > Send blank message to candidiasis-unsubscribeonelist if you want to UNSUBSCRIBE ! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2001 Report Share Posted March 27, 2001 How much does all this cost if you can get tested? I do not have health insurance of any kind but I am interested in this. My doctor is very open to helping when he can. Re: disbelieving Dr.'s many ob/gyns' will 'turn their nose up' .. i don't pay no attention tothem....I was tested by Great Smokies Lab... and it was a stool sample. In the last10 years or so blood and stool lab tests have been developed to test forCandida related complex. blood tests were developed over 10 years ago... Ifyou wish to have a blood or stool test performed, you can do it. If youdon't have a physician - two labs that can help you (give you referrals, orwhatever...in your area) are Meridan Labs at (206)631-8922 and Great SmokiesLab Client Services at 1-800-522-4762.Here's some quotes on blood testing and stool testing:"In blood tests, only the serum, which is part of the fluid portion of theblood, is used. The serum is tested for the presence of 3 distinct candidaantibodies called "immunoglobulins" which are a class of structurallydistinct antibodies produced in the lymph tissue in response to the invasionof an antigen, a foreign substance. The antibody molecule performs twodifferent functions: antigen recognition and antigen destruction. Theantigen in this instance is candida. Even though it lives normally in thebody, it is still a foreign organism. Philip Broughton, VP of AntibodyAssay Labs in Santa Ana, Ca. said that the measurement of antibodies aloneis not a very good marker for active candida overgrowth. One reason is thatsome types of antibodies produced by your body are present for only a brieftime, though others remain for many years after the infection has subsided.This makes it difficult to tell whether you have a current candida infectionor whether you had one that has since gone away.The serum test performed by Broughton's lab measures two things: theamounts of immunoglobulin antibodies and the patient's immune complex. Hislab and other labs use a candida-specific immune complex test tospecifically measure candida overgrowth. An immune complex is formed by thecombination of antigens and antibodies. Tests have been designed to measurespecific immune complexes. In the case of the candida-specific immunecomplex, the test establishes the presence of an abnormally increasedcandida load. Immune complex levels also drop quickly when the load isdecreased and this adds to the value of the test. The immune complex textmeasures how the patient's body is clearing out the invading substance, inthis case the candida organism. As the amount of candida increases theimmune complex increases. According to Broughton, this close relationshipbetween candida and the immune complex is what makes it such a useful test.""When testing for Candida overgrowth - Great Smokies lab performs a testknown as a comprehensive digestive stool analysis. Actually this test iscomprised of three different tests: the stool culture, the serum antibodyand a parasitology exam that measures for parasites. This test is a"Candida intensive" test that measures a lot of other information as well.The comprehensive digestive stool analysis measures not just yeast andparasites but also 12 other health variables. These measurements providethe physician with a wide range of information about the patient's overallhealth, including the condition of the mucosa and the gastrointestinaltract, which runs from the mouth to anus. The doctor at Great Smokiesdetermines If the patient's sample shows an overgrowth of yeast, and thenher lab tests for drug sensitivity and resistance. The lab then reports onwhich drugs or agents will be most effective against the candida and givesguidelines for doctors to follow. Great Smokies lab notes that a lot ofsamples show resistance to some of the drugs used against the yeast. Drugresistance testing is a fairly standard practice among labs.....not all ofthe yeast found in stools is Candida Albicans; other varieties of theCandida family may also be present. Of the stool yeast cultures GreatSmokies performs, only about 50%of a little less are positive for yeast overgrowth, and about 80 percent ofthat yeast is Candida Albicans.Although cultures do sometimes test negatively even though there actually isan overgrowth of Candida, the other two common Candida tests performed byGreat Smokies (serum and parasite) can correct that problem. The problemwith cultures is that the yeast cells that show up in stool samples aresometimes dead. And since you can't grow live yeast cells from dead ones, astool culture occasionally produces negative results. If there is yeastovergrowth, however both the serum and parasite exams will find it. Theparasite exam inspects the stool samples microscopically and looks for andreports on several factors, one of which is dead yeast cells. Its importantto do all the tests ifyou are really looking for yeast".Candida-Related Complex by WinderlinsincerelywendySend blank message to candidiasis-unsubscribeonelist if you want to UNSUBSCRIBE ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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