Re: My yeast infections won't go away - Please Help!

[Guest guest]

I am not selling this product but I am recommending it because it is helping

me feel a 80% better. the product is called Seasilver and is a

multi-nutrient based on seavegetables, aloe vera, Pau D'arco and Silver. I

have had health problems for over 5 years now and nothing, and I mean nothing

I have tried has even compared to this.

Again, I do not sell this, only recommend it....semms you could use it

[Guest guest]

You poor thing. ( I'm not an expert at this, but I've read SO MUCH

over the last couple of weeks about my candida problem that I may be

able to give you at least a glimmer of advice.

First of all, to ease your mind so you don't over stress yourself

(candida thrives in a stressed out body!!), get an HIV test so you

can stop worrying about that.

You do have many of the symptoms of systemic candida (from what I've

read), but that doesn't always mean you have it. The symptoms are

like that of other problems, too. BUT... providing that you get your

HIV test and it comes back negative, and you have the vag. yeast

infections so much, PLUS all the other problems...look for a doctor

who understands and treats candida! Your doctor, and I don't know

him, shouldn't have let you go on this long without trying something

else! Good heavens that's a LONG time!

Anyway, there's a web site, but the name eludes me now, where you can

find a doctor who treats this near you, or as near as you can get.

You can try your local health food stores for antigungals and

enzymes, but your symtoms are so agonizing and chronic that you might

have to go the diflucan, etc. route with a physician. But, here's a

list of what I take from the health food store:

Caprylic acid (sustained release)

Oil of oregano

Psillium husks (to cleanse the colon, where candida lives, and

prepare the colon for the antifungals to do their work)

Acidophilus (to put the good bacteria back in again)

I'm also waiting on an order of SF-722 to come in this week, and I'll

be getting some olive leaf extract as well. I'm getting all this

because it's said that rotating every 4 days is important so that the

candida doesn't become resistant.

Foods to avoid:

Fruit..even tomatoes (but for lemon, lime and grapefruit)

Sugars of any kind (except stevia)

Mushrooms

Cheese and other dairy (check this with the other experts on this

board)

Fermented condiments (vinegar, olives, mayo, mustard---pickled

anything because it contains vinegar)

I may have left something out, so do your research. There are books

out there, " The Yeast Connection " is one, and tons of info on the web.

But, first things first. Ease your mind and get that HIV test. Then

begin reading all you can, and if you can afford it, find a doctor

who treats candida.

Good luck, sweetie, and keep us posted.

Jalilah

> Please help me. I would really appreciate any and all feedback. I've

> been having chronic vaginal yeast infections for the past two

years.

> At first they were very annoying but I've noticed they become more

> subtle lately (For example, no annoying itch). Treatments were

> effective in the beginning but my yeast would always return within

two

> weeks or a month. I became so dissapointed that I ignored the

problem

> for nearly one year. I've been told that the yeast usually

dissapears

> when your period begins but my periods are so irregular (sometimes

I'm

> up to 3 months late) that I have them almost 100% of the time. I'm

> getting really scared now because I recently read that chronic yeast

> infections are usually a sign of a serious illness (e.g, HIV). I've

> tried everything my doctor advised me (e.g, don't wear tight pants,

> always wear cotton underwear, use non-perfumed soaps, sleep without

> underwear, etc.) but nothing seems to work! I recently started to

> treat the yeast once again. Neither the 7-day antifungal cream nor

the

> vinegar and water douche worked. I'm currently douching with yogurt

> but haven't noticed any improvements. Furthermore, I'm eating yogurt

> and taking 2 acidophilus tablets a day. I don't know what else to

> try. I've even started taking showers instead of baths (I took baths

> only for the past 2 1/2 years). I've never taken antibiotics for a

> prolonged period of time and have only taken birth control pills

for 3

> months. I don't know what else could be causing it. To top it off I

> also suffer from chronic postnasal drip, bloating, gas, back & neck

> problems, fungus on my toenails, and also recently (about 1 month

ago)

> have had a clogged nose every night when I go to bed. These

problems

> are taking a toll on my health and in my relationships. I don't even

> want to be intimate with my boyfriend anymore. I don't know what

else

> to do and I don't want to lose hope.

[Guest guest]

Sounds exactly what I was going through! Glad you made it to the

list. I would get tested for HIV if you feel worried about it, just

to ease your mind, but you may have plain old candida like the rest

of us here. Also, you may want to get tested for other STD's to rule

those out too, especially if your period has been wacky with the

yeast infection (part of signs of Chlymidia - sp?).

As far as treatment, the over the counter stuff just won't cut it.

You may want to get a prescription for diflucan than follow that with

using natural antifungals such as Pau'darco, Yarrow, and marshmallow

root. Taking echinacea is helpful too, or other immune boosters.

Douching with tea tree oil is helpful too. You can purchase pure tea

tree oil at a health food store. Put 3 drops into water in the bag

and use that solution. There are also tea tree oil depositories

by " Tree of Life " product that are helpful too. Many candida sourses

also say that using whole garlic cloves inserted (of course with a

string attached)is helpful.

These steps greatly helped me. Also, get an allergy test! Candida

can prone you to food allergies/sensitivities and some of these

allergies may be setting you off too. I found that wheat products

were flairing up the yeast infection. Now that I am off the wheat

and other allergic foods, and after the program I went through, I

only seem to get the yeast problem when I eat something bad. It is

now a good indicator of if I ate something bad so I don't eat that

again.

Remember to check with your trusted physician about all of this to

make sure it is right for you, but many people have had success doing

these things for themselves.

Shoshana

> Please help me. I would really appreciate any and all feedback. I've

> been having chronic vaginal yeast infections for the past two

years.

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry to post so much. Jalilah brought up the good point of diet

which I forgot to mention to you. You may want to research this for

yourself at this site:

http://www.infosky.net/~alexmi/candida.htm#1.1

By the way, this site is bookmarked as well as some other great

sites. If people need information, you may want to check out the

links in that section. I'll try to add more if there are others that

I find.

Shoshana

[Guest guest]

Hi -

Hormone imbalance can also a candidiasis culprit. Yeast will

sometimes disappear when your period begins b/c progesterone levels

go back down.

Chronic yeast infections are much more common than HIV, but get

tested if you are concerned. (I was so scared I was tested 4 times,

twice initially, 6 mo.s later, and a year later just to be positive.)

Here are a few things you could try:

*Wear no underwear or cotton men's style boxers. Oxygen is your

friend.

*I use dove unscented soap (although I am still looking for something

better). Also watch your laundry detergent.

*Believe it or not I have allergic reactions to toilet paper, so I

have to be careful about what tp I use. Yes, this alone can bring on

a yeast infection for me.

*Change your diet. High sugar diet will contribute to yeast. Have you

been changing your diet along with the supplements? This really is a

must.

*If you are douching with commercial yogurt, I would advise you to

stop. Commercial yogurt is often made with bacteria that are NOT good

for your vagina, like streptococcus. (And for God's sakes don't

douche with kefir - I heard of someone actually doing that, geez what

a disaster.) Try the tea tree oil or acidophilus powder.

Good luck - you are absolutely NOT alone in this. The intimacy with

your boyfriend will return with your health. ;-)

- S.

> Please help me. I would really appreciate any and all feedback. I've

> been having chronic vaginal yeast infections for the past two

years.

> At first they were very annoying but I've noticed they become more

> subtle lately (For example, no annoying itch). Treatments were

> effective in the beginning but my yeast would always return within

two

> weeks or a month. I became so dissapointed that I ignored the

problem

> for nearly one year. I've been told that the yeast usually

dissapears

> when your period begins but my periods are so irregular (sometimes

I'm

> up to 3 months late) that I have them almost 100% of the time. I'm

> getting really scared now because I recently read that chronic yeast

> infections are usually a sign of a serious illness (e.g, HIV). I've

> tried everything my doctor advised me (e.g, don't wear tight pants,

> always wear cotton underwear, use non-perfumed soaps, sleep without

> underwear, etc.) but nothing seems to work! I recently started to

> treat the yeast once again. Neither the 7-day antifungal cream nor

the

> vinegar and water douche worked. I'm currently douching with yogurt

> but haven't noticed any improvements. Furthermore, I'm eating yogurt

> and taking 2 acidophilus tablets a day. I don't know what else to

> try. I've even started taking showers instead of baths (I took baths

> only for the past 2 1/2 years). I've never taken antibiotics for a

> prolonged period of time and have only taken birth control pills

for 3

> months. I don't know what else could be causing it. To top it off I

> also suffer from chronic postnasal drip, bloating, gas, back & neck

> problems, fungus on my toenails, and also recently (about 1 month

ago)

> have had a clogged nose every night when I go to bed. These

problems

> are taking a toll on my health and in my relationships. I don't even

> want to be intimate with my boyfriend anymore. I don't know what

else

> to do and I don't want to lose hope.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

www.Seasilver.com.......all the info u need.

I ahve been on it only 2 weeks and am going through major detox....but I have

more energy then a long time ago.

Good luck

[Guest guest]

Dear Jalilah,

Thank you so much for your reply. You're right about getting an HIV

test. It has been on my mind for the past 3 months. I'm going to

have to find a site that offers rapid testing (results in about an

hour). Otherwise, I don't think I can handle the anguish of getting

results after a week or more. I hope it comes back negative....it

would be devastating if it were otherwise.

I was reading the list about foods to avoid, and I eat most of them

on an everyday basis, especially milk and fruit juices (e.g., orange

juice & cranberry juice). I also tend to have a sweet tooth. I eat

lots of chocolate and ice-cream (in fact, I had about 2 cups of ice-

cream yesterday and lots of M & M's today). I used to drink soda a lot

but I've cut down considerably to maybe just 2 or 3 a week. Goodness,

could this actually be the culprit? Isn't the cranberry juice

supposed to help though?

If you can remember the site with contacts for candida doctors can

you please send it my way? I would really appreciate it.

Again, thank you for all your suggestions. I'll keep you posted

Cristina

> > Please help me. I would really appreciate any and all feedback.

I've

> > been having chronic vaginal yeast infections for the past two

> years.

> > At first they were very annoying but I've noticed they become more

> > subtle lately (For example, no annoying itch). Treatments were

> > effective in the beginning but my yeast would always return

within

> two

> > weeks or a month. I became so dissapointed that I ignored the

> problem

> > for nearly one year. I've been told that the yeast usually

> dissapears

> > when your period begins but my periods are so irregular

(sometimes

> I'm

> > up to 3 months late) that I have them almost 100% of the time.

I'm

> > getting really scared now because I recently read that chronic

yeast

> > infections are usually a sign of a serious illness (e.g, HIV).

I've

> > tried everything my doctor advised me (e.g, don't wear tight

pants,

> > always wear cotton underwear, use non-perfumed soaps, sleep

without

> > underwear, etc.) but nothing seems to work! I recently started to

> > treat the yeast once again. Neither the 7-day antifungal cream

nor

> the

> > vinegar and water douche worked. I'm currently douching with

yogurt

> > but haven't noticed any improvements. Furthermore, I'm eating

yogurt

> > and taking 2 acidophilus tablets a day. I don't know what else to

> > try. I've even started taking showers instead of baths (I took

baths

> > only for the past 2 1/2 years). I've never taken antibiotics for a

> > prolonged period of time and have only taken birth control pills

> for 3

> > months. I don't know what else could be causing it. To top it

off I

> > also suffer from chronic postnasal drip, bloating, gas, back &

neck

> > problems, fungus on my toenails, and also recently (about 1 month

> ago)

> > have had a clogged nose every night when I go to bed. These

> problems

> > are taking a toll on my health and in my relationships. I don't

even

> > want to be intimate with my boyfriend anymore. I don't know what

> else

> > to do and I don't want to lose hope.

[Guest guest]

Hi Michalsa,

Where do you get this product and what is it supposed to do? So you

also had yeast infections that didn't go away and this product

helped? Thank you so much.

Cristina

> I am not selling this product but I am recommending it because it

is helping

> me feel a 80% better. the product is called Seasilver and is a

> multi-nutrient based on seavegetables, aloe vera, Pau D'arco and

Silver. I

> have had health problems for over 5 years now and nothing, and I

mean nothing

> I have tried has even compared to this.

> Again, I do not sell this, only recommend it....semms you could use

it

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Soshana,

Thank you so much for your suggestions. I have actually tested for

all STD's (including Chlamydia) and all have come back negative. Now

all I have to do is get the HIV test. By the way, I've actually

always been irregular with my periods. I once didn't get my period

for 6 months!

So were your yeast infections also there almost 100% of the time? I

just feel as though I'm the only person that has gone through this,

but it's a relief to know I'm not alone.

Two questions,

1) how long should you douche with Tea Trea Oil?

2) is there a specific allergy test you're referring to?

Thank you for your help

Cristina

> > Please help me. I would really appreciate any and all feedback.

I've

> > been having chronic vaginal yeast infections for the past two

> years.

> >

[Guest guest]

> Thank you so much for your reply. You're right about getting an HIV

> test. It has been on my mind for the past 3 months. I'm going to

> have to find a site that offers rapid testing (results in about an

> hour). Otherwise, I don't think I can handle the anguish of getting

> results after a week or more. I hope it comes back negative....it

> would be devastating if it were otherwise.

*After* I was diagnosed with an overuse of antibiotics, but *before* I

figured out I have candida (has yet to be " diagnosed " ... not that I'm

waiting for someone to tell me what I already know), I also thought

something as drastic as HIV must be what was wrong with me. I asked

for a test, but I don't think the doctor did it... and I'm kinda glad.

The way results get misinterpreted, and the way insurance co's. trade

databases now -- even with non-medical businesses (true) -- I don't

think I want that on my record. Can't get a loan, etc. if people

think you are about to drop dead!

Based on what you say below, I think you should just treat the candida

and skip the HIV test.

> I was reading the list about foods to avoid, and I eat most of them

> on an everyday basis, especially milk and fruit juices (e.g., orange

> juice & cranberry juice). I also tend to have a sweet tooth. I eat

> lots of chocolate and ice-cream (in fact, I had about 2 cups of ice-

> cream yesterday and lots of M & M's today). I used to drink soda a lot

> but I've cut down considerably to maybe just 2 or 3 a week.

Goodness,

> could this actually be the culprit?

a thousand times YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dump the sugar ASAP!! And *read labels* -- I'm sure this crowd is

tired of hearing about my baked beans, LOL -- but I was shocked to see

that a little can of baked beans had as much sugar as a soda! You'll

be surprised where it hides. To twist an old quote... sugar is the

opiate of the masses! They put it in just about everything. Aim for

unprocessed foods -- less chance that it picked up any added sugar (or

MSG, or...) along the way.

>Isn't the cranberry juice

> supposed to help though?

You can get UNSWEETENED cranberry juice or concentrate at a health

food store, along with the stevia you can safely use to sweeten it.

Use stevia *sparingly* or it will taste bitter.

HTH!

[Guest guest]

Yes I would like to see that site with candida drs too if anyone knows

what it is.

Thanx.

Diane

[Guest guest]

Very comprehensive site! I have bookmarked it. Thank you!

> Sorry to post so much. Jalilah brought up the good point of diet

> which I forgot to mention to you. You may want to research this

for

> yourself at this site:

>

> http://www.infosky.net/~alexmi/candida.htm#1.1

>

> By the way, this site is bookmarked as well as some other great

> sites. If people need information, you may want to check out the

> links in that section. I'll try to add more if there are others

that

> I find.

>

> Shoshana

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have actually not been changing my diet since I started taking

acidophilus. I never thought it could be causing my health problems.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I like to eat sweets, esp.

chocolate & ice-cream. Oh goodness, this is going to be hard to give

up.

Regarding the yogurt, if it has streptococcus, will it indicate it on

the ingredient list? I was looking at the yogurt I bought and it

didn't have streptococcus as an ingredient.

I will definitely try the tree tea oil. Thanks!

:-)

Cristina

-- In candidiasis@y..., " organicagrrl " <stacyscott100@y...> wrote:

> Hi -

>

> Hormone imbalance can also a candidiasis culprit. Yeast will

> sometimes disappear when your period begins b/c progesterone levels

> go back down.

>

> Chronic yeast infections are much more common than HIV, but get

> tested if you are concerned. (I was so scared I was tested 4 times,

> twice initially, 6 mo.s later, and a year later just to be

positive.)

>

> Here are a few things you could try:

> *Wear no underwear or cotton men's style boxers. Oxygen is your

> friend.

> *I use dove unscented soap (although I am still looking for

something

> better). Also watch your laundry detergent.

> *Believe it or not I have allergic reactions to toilet paper, so I

> have to be careful about what tp I use. Yes, this alone can bring

on

> a yeast infection for me.

> *Change your diet. High sugar diet will contribute to yeast. Have

you

> been changing your diet along with the supplements? This really is

a

> must.

> *If you are douching with commercial yogurt, I would advise you to

> stop. Commercial yogurt is often made with bacteria that are NOT

good

> for your vagina, like streptococcus. (And for God's sakes don't

> douche with kefir - I heard of someone actually doing that, geez

what

> a disaster.) Try the tea tree oil or acidophilus powder.

>

> Good luck - you are absolutely NOT alone in this. The intimacy with

> your boyfriend will return with your health. ;-)

>

> - S.

>

>

> > Please help me. I would really appreciate any and all feedback.

I've

> > been having chronic vaginal yeast infections for the past two

> years.

> > At first they were very annoying but I've noticed they become more

> > subtle lately (For example, no annoying itch). Treatments were

> > effective in the beginning but my yeast would always return

within

> two

> > weeks or a month. I became so dissapointed that I ignored the

> problem

> > for nearly one year. I've been told that the yeast usually

> dissapears

> > when your period begins but my periods are so irregular

(sometimes

> I'm

> > up to 3 months late) that I have them almost 100% of the time.

I'm

> > getting really scared now because I recently read that chronic

yeast

> > infections are usually a sign of a serious illness (e.g, HIV).

I've

> > tried everything my doctor advised me (e.g, don't wear tight

pants,

> > always wear cotton underwear, use non-perfumed soaps, sleep

without

> > underwear, etc.) but nothing seems to work! I recently started to

> > treat the yeast once again. Neither the 7-day antifungal cream

nor

> the

> > vinegar and water douche worked. I'm currently douching with

yogurt

> > but haven't noticed any improvements. Furthermore, I'm eating

yogurt

> > and taking 2 acidophilus tablets a day. I don't know what else to

> > try. I've even started taking showers instead of baths (I took

baths

> > only for the past 2 1/2 years). I've never taken antibiotics for a

> > prolonged period of time and have only taken birth control pills

> for 3

> > months. I don't know what else could be causing it. To top it

off I

> > also suffer from chronic postnasal drip, bloating, gas, back &

neck

> > problems, fungus on my toenails, and also recently (about 1 month

> ago)

> > have had a clogged nose every night when I go to bed. These

> problems

> > are taking a toll on my health and in my relationships. I don't

even

> > want to be intimate with my boyfriend anymore. I don't know what

> else

> > to do and I don't want to lose hope.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Does this mean I also have to stop eating carbs?

What is there left to eat? Meats & salads?

>

> > I was reading the list about foods to avoid, and I eat most of

them

> > on an everyday basis, especially milk and fruit juices (e.g.,

orange

> > juice & cranberry juice). I also tend to have a sweet tooth. I eat

> > lots of chocolate and ice-cream (in fact, I had about 2 cups of

ice-

> > cream yesterday and lots of M & M's today). I used to drink soda a

lot

> > but I've cut down considerably to maybe just 2 or 3 a week.

> Goodness,

> > could this actually be the culprit?

>

> a thousand times YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> Dump the sugar ASAP!! And *read labels* -- I'm sure this crowd is

> tired of hearing about my baked beans, LOL -- but I was shocked to

see

> that a little can of baked beans had as much sugar as a soda!

You'll

> be surprised where it hides. To twist an old quote... sugar is the

> opiate of the masses! They put it in just about everything. Aim

for

> unprocessed foods -- less chance that it picked up any added sugar

(or

> MSG, or...) along the way.

>

>

> >Isn't the cranberry juice

> > supposed to help though?

>

> You can get UNSWEETENED cranberry juice or concentrate at a health

> food store, along with the stevia you can safely use to sweeten it.

> Use stevia *sparingly* or it will taste bitter.

>

>

> HTH!

[Guest guest]

Cristina,

Hi! Yes, I had the infection 100% all the time. It was so

stressful! The other thing I forgot to mention is that you may want

to be tested for diabetes and hypoglycemia. Chronic yeast infections

can also be a sign of blood sugar problems, which candida can help

cause too. Especially if blood sugar problems run in your family

like mine.

As far as the allergy test, the one I took was the SAGE test, but I

think there is another popular one that starts with an R, but I can't

remember the name. Anyone else know it? You could do it naturally

on your own, but it would take tons of time and planning. The test I

took tests 50-100 common foods and it tests for delayed reaction,

meaning that you find what could be a problem a few hours to a day

later which is harder to detect. I was blown away to find out I was

allergic to Spinach! There was some other good ones to know. When I

stopped eating them, the yeast pretty much stopped. I find it funny

that the yeast is now my indicator for when I am eating something

bad, my bodies way of saying " no way! " .

The tea tree oil - I was using it once or twice a week for about a

month. You might want to ask a naturopath what would be right for

you. I also bought the depositories at the health food store, and

that seemed to help as well.

Hope this helps!

Shoshana

> Soshana,

>

> Thank you so much for your suggestions. I have actually tested for

> all STD's (including Chlamydia) and all have come back negative.

Now

> all I have to do is get the HIV test. By the way, I've actually

> always been irregular with my periods. I once didn't get my period

> for 6 months!

>

> So were your yeast infections also there almost 100% of the time? I

> just feel as though I'm the only person that has gone through this,

> but it's a relief to know I'm not alone.

>

> Two questions,

>

> 1) how long should you douche with Tea Trea Oil?

> 2) is there a specific allergy test you're referring to?

>

> Thank you for your help

>

> Cristina

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cris -

I understand about the sweets! Just take it slowly. Try to at least

cut back if you don't think you can give them up. I eat a fruit (one

on my candida diet) 30 minutes before breakfast. This practice REALLY

helps with my sweet tooth for some reason.

No, the yogurt will NOT necessarily list all the bacteria in it.

Usually commercial yogurt will say something like: Made with live and

active cultures including l. acidophilus. It rarely lists all of them.

You are welcome, good luck -

> > > Please help me. I would really appreciate any and all feedback.

> I've

> > > been having chronic vaginal yeast infections for the past two

> > years.

> > > At first they were very annoying but I've noticed they become

more

> > > subtle lately (For example, no annoying itch). Treatments were

> > > effective in the beginning but my yeast would always return

> within

> > two

> > > weeks or a month. I became so dissapointed that I ignored the

> > problem

> > > for nearly one year. I've been told that the yeast usually

> > dissapears

> > > when your period begins but my periods are so irregular

> (sometimes

> > I'm

> > > up to 3 months late) that I have them almost 100% of the time.

> I'm

> > > getting really scared now because I recently read that chronic

> yeast

> > > infections are usually a sign of a serious illness (e.g, HIV).

> I've

> > > tried everything my doctor advised me (e.g, don't wear tight

> pants,

> > > always wear cotton underwear, use non-perfumed soaps, sleep

> without

> > > underwear, etc.) but nothing seems to work! I recently started

to

> > > treat the yeast once again. Neither the 7-day antifungal cream

> nor

> > the

> > > vinegar and water douche worked. I'm currently douching with

> yogurt

> > > but haven't noticed any improvements. Furthermore, I'm eating

> yogurt

> > > and taking 2 acidophilus tablets a day. I don't know what else

to

> > > try. I've even started taking showers instead of baths (I took

> baths

> > > only for the past 2 1/2 years). I've never taken antibiotics

for a

> > > prolonged period of time and have only taken birth control

pills

> > for 3

> > > months. I don't know what else could be causing it. To top it

> off I

> > > also suffer from chronic postnasal drip, bloating, gas, back &

> neck

> > > problems, fungus on my toenails, and also recently (about 1

month

> > ago)

> > > have had a clogged nose every night when I go to bed. These

> > problems

> > > are taking a toll on my health and in my relationships. I don't

> even

> > > want to be intimate with my boyfriend anymore. I don't know

what

> > else

> > > to do and I don't want to lose hope.

[Guest guest]

Oh funny! I think I was thinking about going to the bank or

something. How embarrassing. I meant suppositories I hope I

made some people laugh at least.

Shoshana )

> The tea tree oil - I was using it once or twice a week for about a

> month. You might want to ask a naturopath what would be right for

> you. I also bought the depositories at the health food store, and

> that seemed to help as well.

>

> Hope this helps!

>

> Shoshana

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