Re: religion and Mannatech

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In a message dated 12/5/99 5:14:22 PM Pacific Standard Time,

burrows4@... writes:

<< respond or ask questions to what others have to share.

In

Christ,

Joyce : ) >>

Oh and you think we haven't noticed that since this debate came up you

suddenly starting signing your posts 'in christ'? You christians are liars as

well as idiots.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/5/99 5:56:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,

burrows4@... writes:

<< I noticed you

don't sign your posts at times, sign , or MicHELLe also. >>

That's my name. I am somewhat well known in certain circles and that is what

I go by. I'm not a satanist. I'll start signing my posts 'fuck jesus in the

ass' if you really want me to be offensive. I merely asked that this list be

kept free of religious leanings and every christian idiot on here jumped down

my throat. I didn't think my request was outrageous. My parents are baptists

and although we have philosphical differences we get along fine by simply not

discussing certain subjects. It is an unspoken matter of respect and I simply

asked for the same on this list.

[Guest guest]

Golly, who defended Mannatech or is trying to convert anyone? The whole

thing is about not being silenced for what one personally believes

concerning their experience with candida. If people do not like what

another has found to be beneficial...they are free to refuse...but not free

to silence the other person from saying what is true in their health

experience. Is that what this list is all about...telling people what they

MUST believe or not believe or say or not say in response to another post?

If so, you should reconsider staying and " I'm " leaving. Actually, I'm

thankful for the information on Mannatech and have never used it and I've

been contacted by people with products off list because they have seen me

post here. I am seeking information conducive to my total well being and

forward information that warrants such to a physician for his

consideration. Since being on this list, I've never seen anyone post a

gospel message or broadbrush invitation Graham style...just responses

to objections of personal offenses. So far the subjects are

two...salesmen(though one long-term definitely remains unobjected) and

anyone who mentions God...that get negative responses. One thing I know

for certain, the conversations that are objectionable would not continue if

onlookers, such as , would not post their personal objections on

list but rather take them off list as requested. If you want to talk

further with me about this after I've responded once to your on list post,

my email is burrows4@.... Otherwise, I'm very content to read and

respond or ask questions to what others have to share.

In

Christ,

Joyce : )

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> From: Judith Preston <jlpresto@...>

> candidiasisonelist

> Subject: religion and Mannatech

> Date: Sunday, December 05, 1999 7:24 PM

>

> From: " Judith Preston " <jlpresto@...>

>

> First of all, for those of you who I have been in contact with off list

for

> some time and I consider friends and hard-core knowledgeable people

fighting

> their condition, who may or may not be religious but share this with

> themselves or others off list, I think many of you have much to offer to

> this list, and this message does not pertain to you.

>

> I hope to remain in contact with you off list.

>

> Fortunately there are other candida lists where religion and Mannatech

> aren't allowed to post. For the obvious reason that they have nothing to

do

> with each other...

>

> I think it makes sense that the defenders of Russ, who signs each message

> with some religious garbage while he proclaims to be " scientific... " see

the

> relationship between the two. Probably if I took MLM products I would

have

> to believe in god too. You have to be pretty desperate, and not feel like

> you have control over your own health, to turn to MLM or religious icons.

>

> So those of you who want to pray and take Mannatech for your condition,

that

> is your business. You already witchunted off the list, now you go

> after Michele. I'm sure I would be next, but I'm leaving. I contacted

the

> administrator at onelist, and if anyone else finds this advertising and

> religious witchunting abusive, I urge you to do the same.

>

> A non MLM-cured atheist has no place on this list...and I'm proud of it.

I

> urge you all to take your health into your own hands. If not you will

end

> up being sick forever and praying to get better and defending

Mannatech--and

> see how far it gets ya.

>

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[Guest guest]

Debate? You may be debating but I am not. Actually, I normally sign

myself with friends as " Yours In Christ " or " Bless God/God bless " or " In

Christ " or " In Him " or varied similar salutations at the end of my personal

email...sometimes I even sign my name " JOYce " . So what you've noticed

really isn't anything outside of my character. Though I was cautious doing

so here initially, I now do not hesitate in saying that I am " Yours "

(meaning offering freely) and " In Christ " (another aspect that I am)...it is

something like RN or MD or the like after a person's name . I noticed you

don't sign your posts at times, sign , or MicHELLe also. As far as

the rest of what you believe, will you settle for my response?

Yours in Christ,

Joyce : )

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> From: FemDomSoc@...

> candidiasisonelist

> Subject: Re: religion and Mannatech

> Date: Sunday, December 05, 1999 8:37 PM

>

> From: FemDomSoc@...

>

> In a message dated 12/5/99 5:14:22 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> burrows4@... writes:

>

> << respond or ask questions to what others have to share.

>

In

> Christ,

> Joyce : ) >>

> Oh and you think we haven't noticed that since this debate came up you

> suddenly starting signing your posts 'in christ'? You christians are

liars as

> well as idiots.

>

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In a message dated 12/9/99 5:04:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,

rcrosby@... writes:

<< As for the religious part of it, that's me personally, and as far as I

can

see, the constitution still allows me to wish blessings on people. Most

people are not so self-sufficient that they won't take all the help they can

get. You obviously feel that you do not need them - so leave them on the

table, then. >>

Look, I just don't think you can be objective when you sell the products. If

I heard from someone uninvolved I might listen. Point is, I'm very healthy

anyway so don't need to blow the money.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/9/99 5:14:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,

rcrosby@... writes:

<<

AND that does not change the FACT, yes, , this is a FACT, that He

loves you.

By the way, this was a PUBLIC execution and everyone knows about it - so

that is not myth or fairy tale.

May you, as a busy person, have a wonderfully productive day.

>>

I'm not degenerating anyone, just stating my opinion. It's no more degrading

than being told I'm going to hell or that I 'need' a man to be happy, neither

of which are true. A story based on a true happening (and there were many

executions in that day by the way) does not make a fact. There are a lot of

things I disagree with in your religion, the role of women for one....

[Guest guest]

Mannatech does not need defending. Yours is a knee-jerk reaction. The

peer-reviewed scientific articles can stand on their own 2 feet, thank you.

Obviously you have not taken the time to search out and examine the

references I have already provided to you. If you had, you would not have

made such silly comments.

Re the MLM issue, you are entirely free to throw out the baby with the

bathwater. However, there are NO equivalents to their products. They are

unique and different from anything presently available anywhere at any

price.

As for the religious part of it, that's me personally, and as far as I can

see, the constitution still allows me to wish blessings on people. Most

people are not so self-sufficient that they won't take all the help they can

get. You obviously feel that you do not need them - so leave them on the

table, then.

Russ

religion and Mannatech

>From: " Judith Preston " <jlpresto@...>

>

>First of all, for those of you who I have been in contact with off list for

>some time and I consider friends and hard-core knowledgeable people

fighting

>their condition, who may or may not be religious but share this with

>themselves or others off list, I think many of you have much to offer to

>this list, and this message does not pertain to you.

>

>I hope to remain in contact with you off list.

>

>Fortunately there are other candida lists where religion and Mannatech

>aren't allowed to post. For the obvious reason that they have nothing to

do

>with each other...

>

>I think it makes sense that the defenders of Russ, who signs each message

>with some religious garbage while he proclaims to be " scientific... " see

the

>relationship between the two. Probably if I took MLM products I would have

>to believe in god too. You have to be pretty desperate, and not feel like

>you have control over your own health, to turn to MLM or religious icons.

>

>So those of you who want to pray and take Mannatech for your condition,

that

>is your business. You already witchunted off the list, now you go

>after Michele. I'm sure I would be next, but I'm leaving. I contacted the

>administrator at onelist, and if anyone else finds this advertising and

>religious witchunting abusive, I urge you to do the same.

>

>A non MLM-cured atheist has no place on this list...and I'm proud of it. I

>urge you all to take your health into your own hands. If not you will end

>up being sick forever and praying to get better and defending

Mannatech--and

>see how far it gets ya.

>

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[Guest guest]

, do you REALLY believe it is possible for you to denigrate Jesus

any further than what has already been done to Him - nailing Him naked to a

cross.

No words can possibly do more than that. And please do not think that you

are offending me. That is not possible either.

AND that does not change the FACT, yes, , this is a FACT, that He

loves you.

By the way, this was a PUBLIC execution and everyone knows about it - so

that is not myth or fairy tale.

May you, as a busy person, have a wonderfully productive day.

Russ

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From: FemDomSoc@... <FemDomSoc@...>

candidiasisonelist <candidiasisonelist>

Date: Sunday, December 05, 1999 10:02 PM

Subject: Re: religion and Mannatech

>From: FemDomSoc@...

>

>In a message dated 12/5/99 5:56:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,

>burrows4@... writes:

>

><< I noticed you

> don't sign your posts at times, sign , or MicHELLe also. >>

>That's my name. I am somewhat well known in certain circles and that is

what

>I go by. I'm not a satanist. I'll start signing my posts 'fuck jesus in the

>ass' if you really want me to be offensive. I merely asked that this list

be

>kept free of religious leanings and every christian idiot on here jumped

down

>my throat. I didn't think my request was outrageous. My parents are

baptists

>and although we have philosphical differences we get along fine by simply

not

>discussing certain subjects. It is an unspoken matter of respect and I

simply

>asked for the same on this list.

>

>>_

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