Re: Re: Anyone, Russ Newman's Protocol?

[Guest guest]

Is it really true that Ann and are friends?

Re: Anyone, Russ Newman's Protocol?

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/03 12:08:19 AM Central Standard Time,

> annmalia@a... writes:

>

> > Who all is left on this board that is doing Russ's protocol from

> > naturalhealingsolutions.com? Can we take an inventory of who is

on that

> > protocol now and see how everyone is doing?

> >

> >

>

> Ann,

> I am on the second week of Russ's protocol, and am having great

results.

> actually feel like a human again. Though the diet is killing

me! Starting

> to see candidia coming out and I am soooo happy!

> How are you doing on it?

>

> Hanida

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

All i know is that Ann defended several times. This whole -Ann-Russ

thing makes me very suspicious.

Anyway, i think we dont need to speculate on this anymore, what we wanna hear is

positive results from CREDIBLE people that have been on the protocol, nothing

else will convince me.

schw9883@... wrote:Is it really true that Ann and are friends?

Re: Anyone, Russ Newman's Protocol?

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/03 12:08:19 AM Central Standard Time,

> annmalia@a... writes:

>

> > Who all is left on this board that is doing Russ's protocol from

> > naturalhealingsolutions.com? Can we take an inventory of who is

on that

> > protocol now and see how everyone is doing?

> >

> >

>

> Ann,

> I am on the second week of Russ's protocol, and am having great

results.

> actually feel like a human again. Though the diet is killing

me! Starting

> to see candidia coming out and I am soooo happy!

> How are you doing on it?

>

> Hanida

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I do not believe AT ALL that or Ann were " advertising " . But this has

been discussed too many times and I don't see why it had to be dredged up

again.

Let me give my opinion on Russ' protocol. I am not on it, but I know for a

fact that colloidal silver and oil of oregano are extremely potent at

killing candida. I also know that MSM is a great detoxifier - I've seen it

recommended elsewhere for other detox programs.

In addition, Russ' diet is very strict. This can only be a good thing.

I believe that the Russ Newman protocol should in fact be one of the most

effective out there. Come March, when I am done with my three-month TL

Yeast Fighters and the Chlorella cleanse I am doing, if I'm still having

candida problems then I will be investing in some colloidal silver, MSM and

oil of oregano! I've heard all along that these are excellent products.

So please take these facts about the above antifungals into account, and

don't be so quick to judge just because was enthusiastic about

finding her cure. The fact is we are all different, and if something works

effectively for one person, we should be happy for them - not questioning

their motives.

Ali

At 05:03 p.m. 18/01/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>Don't bother with the protocol. If you read the archive of messages,

>you'll notice that Ann and her friend bring up Russ' name as

>often as possible, it's just a subtle way of advertising.

[Guest guest]

As you implied, the Russ protocol is nothing but 3 antifungals and a strict

diet. Anyone could come up with its own protocol. Russ just happens to be

selling those 3 products at a high price and some people keep advertising his

website, thats what this whole issue is about. It's not cool to advertise on msg

boards, i wish there was a moderator here. I'm somewhat poor and i wasted 200$.

Oh and he charged me 40$ for some oil that he gave for free to other customers!

People are free to discuss CS and MSM but there's no need to advertise his

website otherwise more people will do like i did and get their hopes up and

eventually waste $.

Alison <ali-may@...> wrote:I do not believe AT ALL that or Ann were

" advertising " . But this has

been discussed too many times and I don't see why it had to be dredged up

again.

Let me give my opinion on Russ' protocol. I am not on it, but I know for a

fact that colloidal silver and oil of oregano are extremely potent at

killing candida. I also know that MSM is a great detoxifier - I've seen it

recommended elsewhere for other detox programs.

In addition, Russ' diet is very strict. This can only be a good thing.

I believe that the Russ Newman protocol should in fact be one of the most

effective out there. Come March, when I am done with my three-month TL

Yeast Fighters and the Chlorella cleanse I am doing, if I'm still having

candida problems then I will be investing in some colloidal silver, MSM and

oil of oregano! I've heard all along that these are excellent products.

So please take these facts about the above antifungals into account, and

don't be so quick to judge just because was enthusiastic about

finding her cure. The fact is we are all different, and if something works

effectively for one person, we should be happy for them - not questioning

their motives.

Ali

At 05:03 p.m. 18/01/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>Don't bother with the protocol. If you read the archive of messages,

>you'll notice that Ann and her friend bring up Russ' name as

>often as possible, it's just a subtle way of advertising.

[Guest guest]

Well, in that case, the price sounds steep. They are very effective

antifungals to my knowlege, though, and my own intention is to buy them

locally from my health food store. A word of warning I guess - shop around!

Ali

At 03:57 p.m. 18/01/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>As you implied, the Russ protocol is nothing but 3 antifungals and a

>strict diet. Anyone could come up with its own protocol. Russ just happens

>to be selling those 3 products at a high price and some people keep

>advertising his website, thats what this whole issue is about. It's not

>cool to advertise on msg boards, i wish there was a moderator here. I'm

>somewhat poor and i wasted 200$. Oh and he charged me 40$ for some oil

>that he gave for free to other customers!

>

>

>

>People are free to discuss CS and MSM but there's no need to advertise his

>website otherwise more people will do like i did and get their hopes up

>and eventually waste $.

>

>

>Alison <ali-may@...> wrote:I do not believe AT ALL that or Ann

>were " advertising " . But this has

>been discussed too many times and I don't see why it had to be dredged up

>again.

>

>Let me give my opinion on Russ' protocol. I am not on it, but I know for a

>fact that colloidal silver and oil of oregano are extremely potent at

>killing candida. I also know that MSM is a great detoxifier - I've seen it

>recommended elsewhere for other detox programs.

>

>In addition, Russ' diet is very strict. This can only be a good thing.

>

>I believe that the Russ Newman protocol should in fact be one of the most

>effective out there. Come March, when I am done with my three-month TL

>Yeast Fighters and the Chlorella cleanse I am doing, if I'm still having

>candida problems then I will be investing in some colloidal silver, MSM and

>oil of oregano! I've heard all along that these are excellent products.

>

>So please take these facts about the above antifungals into account, and

>don't be so quick to judge just because was enthusiastic about

>finding her cure. The fact is we are all different, and if something works

>effectively for one person, we should be happy for them - not questioning

>their motives.

>

>Ali

>

>

>At 05:03 p.m. 18/01/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>

> >Don't bother with the protocol. If you read the archive of messages,

> >you'll notice that Ann and her friend bring up Russ' name as

> >often as possible, it's just a subtle way of advertising.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

OK N.D. so the protocol did not work for you. I am sorry. I really am. I

wish it had worked for you.

I am on it and I am feeling better and wondering if anyone else it also

trying it.

So, so far we have one recovery in and one non-recovery in N.D. And

that is where we stand.

Ann

> From: " N.D. " <naturedestroyed@...>

> Reply-candidiasis

> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:57:53 -0800 (PST)

> candidiasis

> Subject: Re: Re: Anyone, Russ Newman's Protocol?

>

>

> As you implied, the Russ protocol is nothing but 3 antifungals and a strict

> diet. Anyone could come up with its own protocol. Russ just happens to be

> selling those 3 products at a high price and some people keep advertising his

> website, thats what this whole issue is about. It's not cool to advertise on

> msg boards, i wish there was a moderator here. I'm somewhat poor and i wasted

> 200$. Oh and he charged me 40$ for some oil that he gave for free to other

> customers!

>

>

>

> People are free to discuss CS and MSM but there's no need to advertise his

> website otherwise more people will do like i did and get their hopes up and

> eventually waste $.

>

>

> Alison <ali-may@...> wrote:I do not believe AT ALL that or Ann were

> " advertising " . But this has

> been discussed too many times and I don't see why it had to be dredged up

> again.

>

> Let me give my opinion on Russ' protocol. I am not on it, but I know for a

> fact that colloidal silver and oil of oregano are extremely potent at

> killing candida. I also know that MSM is a great detoxifier - I've seen it

> recommended elsewhere for other detox programs.

>

> In addition, Russ' diet is very strict. This can only be a good thing.

>

> I believe that the Russ Newman protocol should in fact be one of the most

> effective out there. Come March, when I am done with my three-month TL

> Yeast Fighters and the Chlorella cleanse I am doing, if I'm still having

> candida problems then I will be investing in some colloidal silver, MSM and

> oil of oregano! I've heard all along that these are excellent products.

>

> So please take these facts about the above antifungals into account, and

> don't be so quick to judge just because was enthusiastic about

> finding her cure. The fact is we are all different, and if something works

> effectively for one person, we should be happy for them - not questioning

> their motives.

>

> Ali

>

>

> At 05:03 p.m. 18/01/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>

>> Don't bother with the protocol. If you read the archive of messages,

>> you'll notice that Ann and her friend bring up Russ' name as

>> often as possible, it's just a subtle way of advertising.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is true that is my friend and that she got completely well on

Russ's protocol. She had been sick for many many years and was thrilled with

her recovery. I do keep in touch with her but she will not post here any

more because every time she tried to help someone there was a backlash of

negativity.

I guess some people who post on this board tried the protocol and did not

get well. We can't really know though, why they did not get well. Was it the

protocol or was it that they did not stick to the diet properly? Or did they

have an additional health problem or allergy that they do not know about

that sabotaged their protocol? That is another possibility.

I am not yet well but I did not stick to my diet properly over the holidays

and am now trying again in earnest. It's not easy to eat only meat and

veggies.

> From: <schw9883@...>

> Reply-candidiasis

> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:04:05 -0500

> <candidiasis >

> Subject: Re: Re: Anyone, Russ Newman's Protocol?

>

> Is it really true that Ann and are friends?

> Re: Anyone, Russ Newman's Protocol?

>>

>>

>> In a message dated 1/18/03 12:08:19 AM Central Standard Time,

>> annmalia@a... writes:

>>

>>> Who all is left on this board that is doing Russ's protocol from

>>> naturalhealingsolutions.com? Can we take an inventory of who is

> on that

>>> protocol now and see how everyone is doing?

>>>

>>>

>>

>> Ann,

>> I am on the second week of Russ's protocol, and am having great

> results.

>> actually feel like a human again. Though the diet is killing

> me! Starting

>> to see candidia coming out and I am soooo happy!

>> How are you doing on it?

>>

>> Hanida

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

That's great! While I'm not on that protocol, my recovery has been to

the same level as yours - I went from extremely fatigued and sleeping 12

hours, to now sleeping around 8. It's great to feel almost normal, isn't

it?! I feel around 90% normal, but I'm aiming for 100% superhealth!!!

Ali

At 02:05 a.m. 19/01/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>When I started Russ' protocol on Nov 15th, I was sleeping 12 to 14

>hours a day. Now I sleep around 8.

>I can think clearly again, which is something that I haven't been

>able to do in over 12 years.

[Guest guest]

Yes, and we can say the same thing about the protocol working for . She

also juiced, ate mainly raw foods, exercised and did a host of other health

management things that maybe others perhaps aren't doing on the protocol. So

perhaps, we will (ALSO) not know if it was truly just the protocol that

recovered her health. The important thing is to keep trying till you find

the right combination of things that bring you (as an individual) to

recovery.

In a message dated 1/18/03 7:41:15 PM Central Standard Time,

annmalia@... writes:

>

> I guess some people who post on this board tried the protocol and did not

> get well. We can't really know though, why they did not get well. Was it

> the

> protocol or was it that they did not stick to the diet properly? Or did

> they

> have an additional health problem or allergy that they do not know about

> that sabotaged their protocol? That is another possibility.

>

> I am not yet well but I did not stick to my diet properly over the holidays

> and am now trying again in earnest. It's not easy to eat only meat and

> veggies.

>

[Guest guest]

I was a fan of whole approach too, but I have doubts about the length of

their antifungal rotations. At the end of the day, they seem to be in it

for the money and selling their product. I notice on the boards there was

not too much encouragement about using additional/alternative products.

Ali

At 12:52 p.m. 19/01/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>There are lots of web sites with good diet information. One is the

>body ecology diet. I know they have a site if you do a search with

>recipes. I also go to the Whole Approach site - I'm doing their

>program. They have a diet with recipes and a forum where you can ask

>a nutritional consultant questions free. The forum is at

>www.wholeapproachforums.com

[Guest guest]

Hi. I have several comments.

1) the gist of what you are saying is absolutely true. did many things

for her health and tried many plans and when she added russ's

protocol/program, she got well. So, it may have been the unique combination

of what she did that got her well.

2) this is why I am wanting to keep a list now of who is feeling better and

who really gets well to see if the protocol works for others, too. That is

the reason for my original request that all people who are on the protocol

speak up so I can make a list and track it.(BTW, my measure for total

recovery is to have absolutely no coating on the tongue any more, especially

in the morning, and, if you are a woman, to have only clear secretions. That

is the standard that I am looking for in my own recovery. this is very

personal information, I know, and I don't know if others will be willing to

be as honest as to really share this information on the board, but I will be

sharing, if I get totally well. I think this is important enough that any of

my shyness does not matter here, for the sake of all folks who are trying to

get well.)

3) just to be totally clear, I believe that when she began to feel better on

russ's protocol, jenny did exercise, she did eat the diet that russ

prescribes which is mostly raw foods and veggies, but she did not juice per

say. She did have a cabbage concoction and an apple cider vinegar concoction

that she drank. The only fruit she consumed were grapefruit, kiwi and raw

coconut. She also did lymphatic breathing and she used a rebounder.

Cheers.

> From: not2mild@...

> Reply-candidiasis

> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:54:06 EST

> candidiasis

> Subject: Re: Re: Anyone, Russ Newman's Protocol?

>

> Yes, and we can say the same thing about the protocol working for . She

> also juiced, ate mainly raw foods, exercised and did a host of other health

> management things that maybe others perhaps aren't doing on the protocol. So

> perhaps, we will (ALSO) not know if it was truly just the protocol that

> recovered her health. The important thing is to keep trying till you find

> the right combination of things that bring you (as an individual) to

> recovery.

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/03 7:41:15 PM Central Standard Time,

> annmalia@... writes:

>

>>

>> I guess some people who post on this board tried the protocol and did not

>> get well. We can't really know though, why they did not get well. Was it

>> the

>> protocol or was it that they did not stick to the diet properly? Or did

>> they

>> have an additional health problem or allergy that they do not know about

>> that sabotaged their protocol? That is another possibility.

>>

>> I am not yet well but I did not stick to my diet properly over the holidays

>> and am now trying again in earnest. It's not easy to eat only meat and

>> veggies.

>>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi whats Russ Newman's Email or Website thanks so i can try the diet out and i

will help in anyway.

ATM im not on any diet just me own i try and eat good food.

1. anyone herad of Paracon ive started taking it for about a week now makes no

diffrence at all :/

2. Pau Darco this is a excelent product makes me feel better. been taking for a

bout 4 weeks now on my second bottle.

3. Acidophilus another excelent product.

4. just started on Mega Vitamin E food your heart E.T.C

5. L-Glutamine and ) L-Tironsene ) spelling not right but for you body and

brian makes me happy when i take them both i get a nice bost of enery for about

3 hours. AAA+++

6. Multi Vitamin.

All this cost me about $100.00 a month dam expensive

But better than feeling sick real sick i still feel sick but not as bad.

Regards .

Regards .

Re: Re: Anyone, Russ Newman's Protocol?

>

> Yes, and we can say the same thing about the protocol working for .

She

> also juiced, ate mainly raw foods, exercised and did a host of other health

> management things that maybe others perhaps aren't doing on the protocol.

So

> perhaps, we will (ALSO) not know if it was truly just the protocol that

> recovered her health. The important thing is to keep trying till you find

> the right combination of things that bring you (as an individual) to

> recovery.

>

>

> In a message dated 1/18/03 7:41:15 PM Central Standard Time,

> annmalia@... writes:

>

>>

>> I guess some people who post on this board tried the protocol and did not

>> get well. We can't really know though, why they did not get well. Was it

>> the

>> protocol or was it that they did not stick to the diet properly? Or did

>> they

>> have an additional health problem or allergy that they do not know about

>> that sabotaged their protocol? That is another possibility.

>>

>> I am not yet well but I did not stick to my diet properly over the holidays

>> and am now trying again in earnest. It's not easy to eat only meat and

>> veggies.

>>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You must be out of your mind. I am Ann, Ann Ann and not Russ!!!! I am a real

person in Los Angeles and there are many people on this board trying russ's

protocol -- I now have a fairly complete list -- and it is only logical that

we would want to know about each other and determine how we are doing!!!!

> From: " prairiefish <prairiefish@...> " <prairiefish@...>

> Reply-candidiasis

> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 03:12:22 -0000

> candidiasis

> Subject: Re: Anyone, Russ Newman's Protocol?

>

> I haven't been on this board very long - reading for just a few weeks

> and posted first a week or two ago. So forgive me if I am wrong, but

> I tend to agree with ND and ali. It kind of seems like this board is

> taken over by I want to unsubscribe people or Russ Newman posts.

> Russ, if you are Ann and , maybe you can just post in your own

> name and then everyone here with questions about your program can

> just ask you?

>

>

>

>>

>>

>>> About your list, you might as well put everyone in the " got

>>> better/improving " category, including me. Anyone on such a strict

> diet and

>>> using those 3 powerfull antifungals will get better, i'm not

> arguying

>>> that. I did get better on Russ' protocol.. but i got the same

> result with

>>> juicing 5 cloves of garlic a day. I'm sure there are dozens of

> other

>>> protocols out there that will make you feel better.

>>>

>>> Make a list of people who got CURED.

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

hi - great that it's working for you! i know that tarilee recovered

from candida, and she is a very helpful nutritionist! she gave me some good

advice while i was there. however, i did not always get much response if i

wanted to discuss an alternative treatment, or sometimes when i asked

specific questions like " can we drink alcohol again, and if so, what should

we drink? " - ZERO response. i know that tarilee is very much against

slipping back into old habits, and that's fair enough, but what about the

occasional drink, for example (when you have recovered, of course)? a

social drink once every few months? i never got answers to those questions.

anyway, what sort of rotation are using? the three month rotation? i found

it really strange that they suggested that, because candida becomes

resistant to any antifungal if you take it for a prolonged period like

that. like i've said though, we are all different! but i made my greatest

progress when i was doing two to three week rotations.

ali

At 03:01 a.m. 20/01/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>I appreciate what you're saying. I have been on that program and I

>know it's working for me. What kind of rotation do you use?

[Guest guest]

Firstly, I don't fully agree with ND. I understand his frustration at the

protocol not working for him, but I don't agree that or Ann are

advertising Russ Newman's protocol. Ann is simply being constructive.

If the archives show a lot of posts about Russ Newman's protocol, it's

because people are trying it and are interested and impressed - and,

because other people aren't posting about anything else! Remember we are

ALL welcome to discuss what we are doing for our health. No one is stopping

you from talking about success with other products!

Ali

> > I haven't been on this board very long - reading for just a few weeks

> > and posted first a week or two ago. So forgive me if I am wrong, but

> > I tend to agree with ND and ali.

[Guest guest]

I don't think that we need to get this heated. I don't actually think that

anyone needs to be upset here. I do think y'all have been talking about Russ'

whatever alot (and that WOULD be because you ARE talking about it) but I don't

think it is excessive, just ongoing. Now I personally don't follow this

'protocol' and I would think that there are alot of people who don't that are

just sitting here reading what you are saying. If someone starts talking about

something else then there will be a different discussion going on. What I'm

saying is it's not worth the undue stress on your body to argue. Just discuss

what you are discussing and IGNORE posts that you may find offensive, because to

'other' people reading them they don't seem so offensive.

Relax!

tai

P.S. I am very happy for anyone who feels at all better by doing whatever they

do, and am gratefull that they share what works for them. I think it takes alot

to even put forth the effort to take care of yourself in this society. Just

don't take things so personally or heavilly(we don't even know each other

people!)

Ann Giacometti <annmalia@...> wrote:You must be out of your mind. I am

Ann, Ann Ann and not Russ!!!! I am a real

person in Los Angeles and there are many people on this board trying russ's

protocol -- I now have a fairly complete list -- and it is only logical that

we would want to know about each other and determine how we are doing!!!!

> From: " prairiefish <prairiefish@...> " <prairiefish@...>

> Reply-candidiasis

> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 03:12:22 -0000

> candidiasis

> Subject: Re: Anyone, Russ Newman's Protocol?

>

> I haven't been on this board very long - reading for just a few weeks

> and posted first a week or two ago. So forgive me if I am wrong, but

> I tend to agree with ND and ali. It kind of seems like this board is

> taken over by I want to unsubscribe people or Russ Newman posts.

> Russ, if you are Ann and , maybe you can just post in your own

> name and then everyone here with questions about your program can

> just ask you?

>

>

>

>>

>>

>>> About your list, you might as well put everyone in the " got

>>> better/improving " category, including me. Anyone on such a strict

> diet and

>>> using those 3 powerfull antifungals will get better, i'm not

> arguying

>>> that. I did get better on Russ' protocol.. but i got the same

> result with

>>> juicing 5 cloves of garlic a day. I'm sure there are dozens of

> other

>>> protocols out there that will make you feel better.

>>>

>>> Make a list of people who got CURED.

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Has anyone actually noticed amongst all this that I have been bringing up

different treatments for discussion? Whole Approach, TL Yeast Fighters,

Olive Leaf, Garlic.... ? Russ is not the only treatment being discussed here.

I agree with Tai about all this arguing - it's bad for our immune system!

Ali

At 10:00 a.m. 20/01/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>I don't think that we need to get this heated. I don't actually think that

>anyone needs to be upset here. I do think y'all have been talking about

>Russ' whatever alot (and that WOULD be because you ARE talking about it)

>but I don't think it is excessive, just ongoing. Now I personally don't

>follow this 'protocol' and I would think that there are alot of people who

>don't that are just sitting here reading what you are saying. If someone

>starts talking about something else then there will be a different

>discussion going on.

[Guest guest]

I really wish this " Issue " would stop coming up but ..... since you can't

beat them you might as well join them. So I'll stick my 2 cents in and then

I will either shut up and put up or Leave the group.

I'm sorry but I completely disagree with this. I am not taking sides but I

do wish to express myself with my own opinion. This may be the unpopular view

at the moment and will probably make everyone ticked at me but here goes....

I do NOT think " sharing " her enthusiasm was the TRUE ISSUE. I think it

is oversimplification to blame the whole controversy on that some people

can't handle other's getting well and sharing. That is offensive to me. I

work hard on my health and I would only rejoice, applaud and ask a lot of

darn questions at someone who was healed.

If you look back in the archives you will notice that jen was quick to

respond NEGATIVELY to everyone else's " methods " of cure before this all got

started. This is what got to be frustrating. I think this was what caused

people to start acting defensive & suspiciously. From there it seemed to

snowball as other's jumped in. There were a lot of other topics that were

introduced and it " seemed " like it had to be " okayed " by Jen or Russ to be

talked about. Example: Food combination, candex or other yeast stuff, etc.

I have no problem and would love to learn more about the ideas that Jen was

sharing but I also want to hear from others too. It got a little unnerving

to see other topics get immediately shut down especially when someone was

having great results with something other than Russ' protocol. If you stop

listening to others then, of course, they will feel resentful and not want to

hear what you are saying either. Look it goes both ways. We are all looking

for answers and information. I, personally, want to hear everyone's views

then it is up to me to delete or add what I want. I think the " REAL ISSUE "

was communication or lack of. It was wonderful to have share her

experience and ideas; however, I personally wish she had just used a bit more

tact and sensitivity when other's expressed there views too. I think in turn

others would have not felt censored and got so suspicious. I do not think

that Jen is Russ, on his payroll either or any other silly thing. I believe

that Jen is probably a very nice and caring person and I don't think it was

her intention to cause any controversy at all. I believe she wanted to help

in the best way she knew how to. Unfortunately what was created was a split

down the middle of " the russ protocol " and " other's. " That to me is very

sad. We get so little help why would we spend time turning on ourselves?

That to me is ridiculous.

Each time (side 1) writes about how if they get better they will have to be

careful about telling the group because of back lash or how Jen was

victimized it starts more controversy. I cringe when I read these kind of

posts.

Each time (side 2) writes about how Jen is Russ or she's on his payroll. Or

the protocol is a scam. It starts controversy. I cringe when I read these

kind of posts.

All this is doing is making people leave that need help. It was, at best, a

MISUNDERSTANDING that blew up and was perpetuated by more people causing more

misunderstandings and TAKING SIDES. Perhaps, we could just all start over

with a clean slate and let go of the " having to be right " and win.... Because

we are all going to end up losing. Our only battle should be with our

illnesses NOT EACH OTHER. If I lived in an ideal world (huh) I would have

Jen come back to the group and apologize for not being sensitive to other's

and accidentally shutting them down or hurting feelings. I'd have other's

that vented or hurt her feelings apologize to Jen for acting suspicious and

then shutting her down too Sounds fair to me. Of course, pride cometh

before the fall. I hope it won't be the fall of this group. If we can't

get past this ..... it very well could be through continual deterioration.

Perhaps if we all concentrated on how we could make the group a little

better, took deep breaths and forgave irritations (because honestly no one is

perfect and we all will eventually make a mistake) it could be a great place

to give and receive information.

In a message dated 1/20/03 11:27:13 PM Central Standard Time,

vanderkc@... writes:

> It really irks me that the negative tones FAR outweight the

> positive.

>

> I hope that someone besides gets better, but I doubt that they

> would speak of it in this group, given all of the suspicion,

> argument, etc., that goes along with even saying that you feel

> better

[Guest guest]

Look, I am tired of this whole argument myself. But I need to tell you

something. Candida is BIG BUSINESS for many manufacturers and there are many

many products on the market out there that have additives and preservatives

in them that are totally wrong for a candida person. Many people on this

board, often the newbies, persist in trying these things. Jen tried many of

them herself and did not get well. Many months ago Jen and I both went to

see Dr. Piller, Tripp's doctor, before either of us tried Russ's

protocol. She brought a huge bag of supplements to show him what she was

taking and he told Jen which ones categorically will not work for a candida

person. That is why Jen seemed so strong and " negative " when these posts

came up. When someone posted a question about, say, threelac, Jen knew that

that stuff is a joke so she jumped in to TRY TO HELP and spare that person

needless expense, time and discouragement, and tried to steer them in a

different direction, and it came off to some people like she was being

arrogant or something, I don't know. But she really was TRYING TO HELP.

It is a HUGE loss for all the people on this board, new and old, that she

does not post here anymore.

Now can we all let this rest?

> From: not2mild@...

> Reply-candidiasis

> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:55:20 EST

> candidiasis

> Subject: Re: Re: Anyone, Russ Newman's Protocol?

>

> I really wish this " Issue " would stop coming up but ..... since you can't

> beat them you might as well join them. So I'll stick my 2 cents in and then

> I will either shut up and put up or Leave the group.

>

> I'm sorry but I completely disagree with this. I am not taking sides but I

> do wish to express myself with my own opinion. This may be the unpopular view

> at the moment and will probably make everyone ticked at me but here goes....

> I do NOT think " sharing " her enthusiasm was the TRUE ISSUE. I think it

> is oversimplification to blame the whole controversy on that some people

> can't handle other's getting well and sharing. That is offensive to me. I

> work hard on my health and I would only rejoice, applaud and ask a lot of

> darn questions at someone who was healed.

>

> If you look back in the archives you will notice that jen was quick to

> respond NEGATIVELY to everyone else's " methods " of cure before this all got

> started. This is what got to be frustrating. I think this was what caused

> people to start acting defensive & suspiciously. From there it seemed to

> snowball as other's jumped in. There were a lot of other topics that were

> introduced and it " seemed " like it had to be " okayed " by Jen or Russ to be

> talked about. Example: Food combination, candex or other yeast stuff, etc.

> I have no problem and would love to learn more about the ideas that Jen was

> sharing but I also want to hear from others too. It got a little unnerving

> to see other topics get immediately shut down especially when someone was

> having great results with something other than Russ' protocol. If you stop

> listening to others then, of course, they will feel resentful and not want to

> hear what you are saying either. Look it goes both ways. We are all looking

> for answers and information. I, personally, want to hear everyone's views

> then it is up to me to delete or add what I want. I think the " REAL ISSUE "

> was communication or lack of. It was wonderful to have share her

> experience and ideas; however, I personally wish she had just used a bit more

> tact and sensitivity when other's expressed there views too. I think in turn

> others would have not felt censored and got so suspicious. I do not think

> that Jen is Russ, on his payroll either or any other silly thing. I believe

> that Jen is probably a very nice and caring person and I don't think it was

> her intention to cause any controversy at all. I believe she wanted to help

> in the best way she knew how to. Unfortunately what was created was a split

> down the middle of " the russ protocol " and " other's. " That to me is very

> sad. We get so little help why would we spend time turning on ourselves?

> That to me is ridiculous.

>

>

> Each time (side 1) writes about how if they get better they will have to be

> careful about telling the group because of back lash or how Jen was

> victimized it starts more controversy. I cringe when I read these kind of

> posts.

>

> Each time (side 2) writes about how Jen is Russ or she's on his payroll. Or

> the protocol is a scam. It starts controversy. I cringe when I read these

> kind of posts.

>

> All this is doing is making people leave that need help. It was, at best, a

> MISUNDERSTANDING that blew up and was perpetuated by more people causing more

> misunderstandings and TAKING SIDES. Perhaps, we could just all start over

> with a clean slate and let go of the " having to be right " and win.... Because

> we are all going to end up losing. Our only battle should be with our

> illnesses NOT EACH OTHER. If I lived in an ideal world (huh) I would have

> Jen come back to the group and apologize for not being sensitive to other's

> and accidentally shutting them down or hurting feelings. I'd have other's

> that vented or hurt her feelings apologize to Jen for acting suspicious and

> then shutting her down too Sounds fair to me. Of course, pride cometh

> before the fall. I hope it won't be the fall of this group. If we can't

> get past this ..... it very well could be through continual deterioration.

> Perhaps if we all concentrated on how we could make the group a little

> better, took deep breaths and forgave irritations (because honestly no one is

> perfect and we all will eventually make a mistake) it could be a great place

> to give and receive information.

>

>

> In a message dated 1/20/03 11:27:13 PM Central Standard Time,

> vanderkc@... writes:

>

>

>> It really irks me that the negative tones FAR outweight the

>> positive.

>>

>> I hope that someone besides gets better, but I doubt that they

>> would speak of it in this group, given all of the suspicion,

>> argument, etc., that goes along with even saying that you feel

>> better

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/21/2003 10:15:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,

ali-may@... writes:

> And yet this valuable person is no longer on the list...

>

> Hi Ali,

>

> If you check out archive message # 19720 Jenn lists the things that helped

> and did not help her.

>

> Best wishes,

> Ruby

>

[Guest guest]

Can you remember which supplements Dr Piller said would not work?

Thanks!

Ali

[Guest guest]

ASK JEN!!!!!

> From: Alison <ali-may@...>

> Reply-candidiasis

> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:31:15 +1300

> candidiasis

> Subject: Re: Re: Anyone, Russ Newman's Protocol?

>

> Can you remember which supplements Dr Piller said would not work?

>

> Thanks!

> Ali

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And yet this valuable person is no longer on the list...

Ali

At 09:47 p.m. 21/01/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>ASK JEN!!!!!

[Guest guest]

Oh, thank you!

Ali

At 03:01 a.m. 22/01/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>In a message dated 1/21/2003 10:15:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,

>ali-may@... writes:

>

> > And yet this valuable person is no longer on the list...

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Ali,

> >

> > If you check out archive message # 19720 Jenn lists the things that helped

> > and did not help her.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Ruby

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/22/2003 12:03:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,

ali-may@... writes:

> Oh, thank you!

>

Your welcome!

Ruby