Grapefruit Seed Extract

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You can also put Oreganot Oil in your ears! Mogdrmom

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In addition to several other things, I took GSE for my yeast. I was not

allergic, thank goodness, and it was very helpful for me. It is, as I

understand it, ANTI-BACTERIAL, ANTI-FUNGAL, and ANTI-VIRAL. It just doesn't

get any better than that!!! LOL In fact, I have some GSE nasal spray, made

by Nutribiotic, and it has singlehandedly helped me fend off 3 sinus

infections since July. When I get that " sinus-y " feeling, I use the spray,

and the next day I am fine. This, from someone who normally has to take

anti-biotics up to 3 times each winter for her sinuses. So I am a believer.

In fact, I am prolly going back on it soon, because I think my yeast is

trying to make its presence known again. I'm not certain if going off and on

it will make the yeast resistant.... it certainly makes sense that it would.

Yet it never fails to clear my sinuses when I use it intermittently, so

evidently it is still working there. I swear by this stuff. Sent some to my

son in college, and he, too, has been sinus problem-free for the winter. So

it's good stuff. Are you sure you were allergic??? Could it be that the

symptoms you attribute to GSE " allergy " could be die-off???

Lynn

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the original post said " grapefruit seed extract " / Is that something new, or

is the poster thinking grape seed extract? Is it good for things besides

yeast and allergies?

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In a message dated 2/3/01 12:00:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,

str8barber@... writes:

> the original post said " grapefruit seed extract " / Is that something new,

or

>

> is the poster thinking grape seed extract? Is it good for things besides

> yeast and allergies?

>

****It really IS grapefruit seed extract, and it's good again bacteria,

viruses and fungus. In other words, it'll cure what ails ya!

Lynn

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Does anyone on this list have problems posting or receiving posts?

Since this changeover to I do not get all my messages and I just posted

2 replies to the grapefruit seed extract issue. They did not show up on my

screen but are in the archives.

I know this is OT but would like some feedback if anyone else has problems.

I find it so annoying to have to go to the archives and double-check

everything.

Thank you

Christel

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I think I am having the same problem, but don't even know how to find the

archives!!!

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I am having that problem on the lists I am on at . I only get

some of the posts!

>Does anyone on this list have problems posting or receiving posts?

>Since this changeover to I do not get all my messages and I just posted

>2 replies to the grapefruit seed extract issue. They did not show up on my

>screen but are in the archives.

>I know this is OT but would like some feedback if anyone else has problems.

>I find it so annoying to have to go to the archives and double-check

>everything.

>Thank you

>Christel

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Would you give grapefruit seed extract to a 1 year old with a stomach virus, or leave that to the doctors?

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Re: grapefruit seed extract

Would you give grapefruit seed extract to a 1 year old with a stomach virus, or leave that to the doctors?

[Guest guest]

hi Debs - i don't know about the GSE but I **know** that colloidal silver is

wonderful for sinuses/ears

wendy

Grapefruit Seed Extract

I've got some GSE in capsules which I'm taking orally (150mg 3x per

day). I have candida in my sinuses and my ears as well as my

digestive system.

Is there an effective way for me to treat my sinuses using the GSE?

Will the capsules I'm taking orally have any effect whatsoever on my

sinuses/ears?

Any advice appreciated

Debs

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Hi Debs,

I think if you are on a good anti-candida protocol, you will get rid of the candida in your earsa nd sinuses. I have it in there too.. Do you have burning of the nose and ear pain? That's what I have-also extreme chemical, noise sensitivities. Did you take a test to determine if you have candida? What test?

Keep on the diet and vitamins!!

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you can do both with colloidal silver. I have a lot of info on my chronic

illness board - a lot of info about how SAFE colloidal silver is.... there

are a few 'fear mongers' out there... but properly made colloidal silver is

not harmful. We use it for everything.

www.utopiasilver.com is a great site... and i'm sure others will chime in

..... i have more sites regarding the 'safety' issue... here's some good

stuff below:

**this is a great article - Rosemary s' case is discussed**

Can Colloidal Silver harm you? Most of the promotional hype says it can't.

However, almost anything can be harmful if used in excess. This includes

commonly used drugs and even common foods. Potatoes, tomatoes, wheat,

mushrooms, and many other common foods contain toxins and/or carcinogens or

even mostly harmless substances which can be harmful to susceptible

individuals. They don't usually harm us because we limit their consumption

to levels to which our body can adapt to, and metabolize.

The bottom line is that small doses of silver seem harmless for most people

while large doses taken in great excess can be toxic, even lethal. So the

question is: what constitutes a small safe amount and what constitutes a

large potentially harmful amount?

Unfortunately, there is no definitive answer to that question. There is,

however, some information available that can serve as clues or points of

reference from which a " guess " can be made. This is not intended to be

construed as medical advice or recommendations for usage, but as correlative

information for academic and research purposes.

In the various promotional documents on colloidal silver, a theory is often

presented that " true " colloidal silver is non-toxic and that only the older

silver proteins and silver salts are toxic. It is true that nearly all of

the toxicological data is on silver salts and silver proteins with much

higher silver content than current electrocolloidal products. It is also

true that colloidal silver, silver salts and silver proteins cannot be

assumed to produce the same results or have the same toxicities. It is also

true that I have been unable to find any documentation of a single case of

argyria produced from the consumption of low concentration electrocolloidal

silver. It is my assumption, however, that the low dose electrocolloidal

silver could cause argyria if used in sufficiently excessive quantities.

Two very important factors are the total accumulated dose of silver and how

quickly it was consumed. The rate of consumption is probably more important

than the total quantity because there is an excretion process. If the intake

exceeds the body's ability to eliminate the silver, it accumulates in the

tissues. An estimation of the body's ability to eliminate silver is then

critical to understanding what dosage is toxic.

It appears that colloidal silver is absorbed orally through the GI tract,

through the nasal mucosa, and presumable sublingually and rectally. Some

individuals also have reported injecting colloidal silver.

None of the old medical literature that I was able to find gave a

satisfactory assessment of the absorption, retention and excretion of

colloidal silver. The old literature suggested that silver is eliminated

primarily through the feces with active biliary excretion. Even inhaled

silver is eliminated through the feces. (63)

The silver products that were used in the early twentieth century were

mostly silver proteins rather than colloidal silver and the silver content

was much higher, 10% to 30% by weight rather than the 0.001% silver content

of 10 ppm colloidal silver. This kind of difference makes comparisons rather

meaningless. Clearly, better data is needed to offer those using colloidal

silver some idea whether they are foolishly poisoning themselves or have

little to worry about.

One individual, Altman Eng.Sc.D., took the task upon himself to find

some of the answers to these questions, without support or funding. He made

careful measurements of the silver that he consumed and the silver that he

excreted in urine, feces, hair, nails, sweat, etc. From his carefully

collected data, we now have an indication of how these processes work. The

summary of his data is presented here with permission. A summary of his data

can be found in Appendix B. To purchase a complete copy of his report

contact him at rogaltman@...

Dr. Altman consumed 2.34 mg. of silver daily for several months then

measured the total silver excreted from his body over a 24 hour period. He

concluded that silver is excreted easily from the body, primarily in the

urine. The total silver excreted during this particular measurement period

exceeded the amount consumed during that period. This is accounted for by

the variability of the amount of waste (urine, feces, etc.) eliminated from

the body, the amount consumed through food and water, etc. It does point out

that silver is eliminated from the body much more efficiently than we

previously thought. It also may explain why there have been no cases of

argyria reported by individuals using low dosage electrocolloidal silver.

The colloidal silver that he was using was electrocolloidal silver made by

the high voltage DC (180 VDC) process.

Dr. Altman also ran a measurement of silver elimination for 100 days

following the cessation of silver intake. Initially, most of the silver was

eliminated through the urine. He noted that increasing water intake

increased silver elimination through the urine. After approximately the

first month, silver elimination was greater through the feces than through

the urine. He estimated that by the 100 day mark nearly all of the

accumulated silver had been eliminated from his tissues.

This is only one set of measurements on one individual. It is, however, data

carefully obtained by a scientifically trained individual using modern

analytical tools. It suggests that a healthy adult can consume approximately

2 mg. of colloidal silver per day without risk. This data is insufficient,

however, to assume that the same situation will prevail in other

individuals. Someone with kidney disease, for example, may have difficulty

eliminating silver and may risk toxicity with prophylactic consumption.

The available information suggests that silver salts are clearly more toxic

than silver proteins or colloidal silver. It is possible to produce a

variety of silver salts and other silver compounds in some manufacturing

processes. These may be left over from the materials used in the

manufacturing process or may be produced by the manufacturing process as a

by product, especially if impure materials are used. Silver nitrate is

especially toxic because it reacts readily with proteins and is quite

caustic. Some methods of producing silver colloids chemically use silver

nitrate as one of the ingredients and there may be traces of it remaining in

the mixture.

For someone using colloidal silver, it is important to estimate the total

number of milligrams of silver in a dose and the total number of milligrams

consumed over the course of treatment.

Here is a summary of reference points to work from:

One tsp. contains 5 ml. of liquid

One ppm concentration is the same as 1 milligram (mg.) per liter

(Example: 10 PPM colloidal silver contains 10 mg of silver in one liter of

liquid)

(Example: One tsp. of 10 PPM colloidal silver contains 50 micrograms of

silver)

The EPA reference dose for a 160 pound adult (the average amount consumed

per day in food and water): 364 micrograms per day.

The EPA critical dose for a 160 pound adult (the amount that should not be

exceeded in daily consumption): 1.09 milligrams per day

The EPA proposed limit for silver in drinking water is: 0.1 mg per liter (

0.1 PPM)

The average person consumes approximately 90 mcg. of silver/day in their

food

The estimated dosage of silver required to trigger an anti-infection

response (based on anecdotal reports and other data); is believed to be

approximately 1 milligram of silver

References (8) and ( 70) state that the estimated total dosage of silver

required to treat serious infections such as LYME disease is: Approximately

18 to 90 milligrams of silver over the period of one month.

The estimated accumulated dosage required to produce argyria is:

Approximately one to six grams of silver, depending on the reference cited.

Some references state as high as 50 grams.(1)(62)

The estimated single dose lethal quantity of silver is: Approximately ten

grams of silver (Note: This estimate is for silver nitrate which is much

more toxic than colloidal silver)(56)

Here are some links to relevant information on silver toxicity.

http://reach-for-life.com/prodinfo/colsil_iris.htm - EPA - RFD - Silver

http://risk.lsd.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/silver_f_V1.shtml - RAIS - Risk

Assessment Toxicity Profile - Silver

http://who.int/water_sanitation_health/GDWQ/Chemicals/silverfull.htm -

Guidelines for Drinking Water Quality - Silver

The best known consequence of over consumption of silver is argyria. Most

authorities state that argyria is disfiguring because of the discoloration

of the skin but has no other harmful consequences. With argyria, silver is

taken internally in excess and the excess is deposited in the skin, organs

and other tissues. This causes the skin to turn a gray or bluish gray color.

Upon exposure to strong sunlight, skin of the affected individuals can turn

a dark brown or black color. This coloration is permanent. In addition to

argyria, the intake of very large doses (far in excess of the amount that

causes discoloration of the skin) of silver can cause neurological damage,

organ damage and arteriosclerosis.

We know that argyria has been produced in adults who were given 900 mg of

silver orally over a period of one year (1). There are also cases in the

literature where 6.0 grams of silver nitrate administered orally and 6.3

grams of silver arsphenamine administered intramuscularly were known to

produce argyria. (1) Another study estimated the minimal oral dose for

producing argyria to be 25 to 50 grams taken over a 6 month period. (62) A

single fatal dose is estimated to be 10 grams, although recovery from larger

doses has been reported. (Note: this 10 gram figure is for silver nitrate

which is many times more toxic than colloidal silver) (56).

Here are some internet links which provide additional information on

argyria. Note that the Rosemary s case is assumed to involve a

different form of silver and much higher dosages than the electrocolloidal

silver that is in common use today. Still, it is important to be aware that

argyria is a risk if the wrong types of silver are used in excessive

quantities.

http://www.dermis.net/bilddb/diagnose/englisch/i985800.htm - Dermatology

Internet Service - Argyria

http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan - Rosemary s Argyria Page

http://www.nejm.org/content/1999/0340/0020/1554.asp - New England Journal of

Medicine - Argyria Note - (Rosemary s Case)

Using the most conservative figure, 900 milligrams of silver corresponds to

the silver content in 90 liters of 10 PPM colloidal silver, 45 liters of 20

PPM colloidal silver or 30 liters of 30 PPM colloidal silver. Small children

and sensitive individuals could presumably be harmed by less. These doses

are very large compared to the doses usually consumed by individuals using

over the counter health food store colloidal silver products. Even with

these quantities, risk of toxicity may be reduced by spreading the intake

out over a period of time to allow the excretion mechanisms to keep up with

intake.

We know that dogs died from injections of a type of protein bound silver in

dosages ranging from 500 mg to 1.9 grams of silver depending on the dosage

and frequency of administration (46). This was equivalent in silver content

to giving a 150 pound adult between 150 and 570 liters of 10 PPM colloidal

silver, or between 75 and 285 liters of 20 PPM colloidal silver or between

50 and 190 liters of 30 PPM colloidal silver. The 10 gram estimated lethal

dose for humans from Goodman and Gillman (56) is equivalent to 1000 liters

of 10 PPM colloidal silver.

In another case (47), an individual ingested an estimated 124 grams of

silver nitrate over a period of 9 years. She developed argyria and an

assortment of neurological symptoms as well. The authors note that the

silver tended to complex with sulfur in the ratio of inorganic Ag2S. A

moderate presence of silver-sulfur granules were seen in the perineural

tissue, in the peripheral nerves and along the elastic fibers and to a

lesser extent along the collagenous fibers and in macrophages. These

deposits were noted to have an affinity for basal membranes. The

neurological manifestations included taste and smell disorders, vertigo and

hypesthesia. This report is often used by critics to attribute neurological

disorders to silver consumption. For comparisons to be meaningful

differences in quantities must be accounted for.

It may be helpful to put this in perspective with the quantities of silver

that is consumed in the food and drinking water from natural sources. The

EPA publishes a reference dose (RFD) for silver which is an estimate of

daily exposure to the entire population that is unlikely to be associated

with a significant risk of adverse effects over a lifetime. The current RFD

for oral silver exposure is 5 micrograms/kg/d with a critical dose estimated

at 14 micrograms/kg/d. The maximum contaminant level proposed by the EPA for

silver in the drinking water is less than 0.1 mg/L. (less than 0.1 PPM).

Based on this RFD, a 150 pound adult should not exceed 350 micrograms/d. If

the silver in drinking water meets EPA standards, an average person drinking

2 liters per day will consume less than 200 micrograms of silver. In

addition the daily diet may contain about 90 micrograms of silver. (63) 350

micrograms of silver is equivalent to 70 milliliters (14 tsp.) of 5 PPM

colloidal silver. This is the amount that the EPA standards permit an

individual to consume from natural sources. At this rate, one could

conceivably consume enough silver in three days to equal the 1 milligram

estimate of a minimum effective dose.

It should be noted here that some in the silver business believe that it is

not necessary to exceed the EPA critical dose to obtain antibiotic effects

from colloidal silver provided that the colloidal silver is of extremely

small particle size.

Some researchers have suggested that a deficiency of selenium and vitamin E

may increase the susceptibility to systemic silver toxicity. It was

hypothesized that silver toxicity as manifested by liver necrosis in

laboratory rats was due to silver induced inhibition of the synthesis of the

seleno-enzyme glutathione peroxidase. Bunyan, et. al. showed that rats

supplemented with selenium or vitamin E tolerated a silver exposure of as

high as 140 mcg/kg/d. (63)

It is also necessary to remember that some individuals have allergies to

specific metals. Nickel, copper, silver, and other metals have been known to

cause allergic reactions. Be certain that you are not allergic to silver

before taking colloidal silver.

Summary

It appears that healthy adults may be able to take as much as 2 mg. of

colloidal silver per day without overwhelming the body's elimination

mechanisms. This is not a recommendation. Additional research needs to be

done to test this hypothesis.

Individuals with kidney disease may be at increased risk for developing

silver toxicity. This is a reasonable assumption since it appears that the

kidneys are a major pathway in eliminating silver from the body.

Drinking extra water increases silver elimination and may reduce silver

accumulation and risk of toxicity.

Liver disease may increase silver toxicity. Silver may interfere with

certain metaloenzymes in the liver, especially if there is a deficiency of

selenium or vitamin E.

Taking extra supplements of selenium and vitamin E may reduce an

individual's susceptibility to silver toxicity. This is based on the finding

that supplementation decreased liver toxicity in rats and that rats

deficient in these nutrients were more susceptible to silver toxicity.

Some silver salts are significantly more toxic than colloidal silver and

silver compounds offer many additional variables.

Larger doses of silver and more concentrated forms of silver increase risk

of toxicity and argyria since they may exceed the body's ability to

eliminate the excess silver.

Risk of silver toxicity or argyria may be reduced by avoiding any silver

consumption for a period of three to four months after the completion of a

therapeutic regimen. Based on Dr. Altman's experiment, this would give the

body time to eliminate much of the stored silver in the body before

continuing treatment.

The risk of silver toxicity and argyria may be reduced if the total

cumulative dosage is kept under one gram of silver, especially if large

doses are being consumed or there is kidney or liver dysfunction present.

FROM: " Silver-A Literature Review, Medical Uses, Toxicology and

Manufacture " by Hill

Re: Grapefruit Seed Extract

> hi Debs - i don't know about the GSE but I **know** that colloidal

> silver is

> wonderful for sinuses/ears

Thanks . Assuming I can buy it in the UK, what would I do with

it? Apply it or take orally?

Debs

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> Hi Debs,

> I think if you are on a good anti-candida protocol, you will get

> rid of the

I've been on the strict diet for 3.5 months now. I've been through a

phase of Capryllic Acid, though not any more, I'm now on GSE. I also

take a good quality acidophilus. I've had a couple of Colonics and

I'm being treated for Candida under an excellent kinesiologist. She

says the candida is now gone from my colon and most of the digestive

tract, it's mainly in peripheral areas now. I feel much better,

clearer head, weight loss, more energy. Bowels are almost normal

now. I even had fruit at the weekend and that didn't affect me at

all.

I treat althletes my foot topically, I just wondered if there was a

bit extra I could do for my sinuses.

> candida in your earsa nd sinuses. I have it in there too.. Do you

> have burning of the nose and ear pain? That's what I have-also

> extreme chemical, noise sensitivities.

Sounds painful. Mine's not too bad. I get low grade sinus headaches

maybe 2 x per week and feel pressure behind the eyes sometimes. Also

my right ear 'clicks' from time to time - like a fluid movement type

of noise when I swallow

> Did you take a test to determine if you have candida?

> What test?

The Kinesiologist can test for candida and an approximation of how

much there is and whereabouts it is.

>

> Keep on the diet and vitamins!!

Thanks for your help

Debs

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> hi Debs - i don't know about the GSE but I **know** that colloidal

> silver is

> wonderful for sinuses/ears

Thanks . Assuming I can buy it in the UK, what would I do with

it? Apply it or take orally?

Debs

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Hi Debs

You might want to pick up a books on oxygen therapies, I have one that says

make a weak

solution of hydrogen peroxide and water and put drops in your ears and in your

nose to kill

the yeast.

If you want the exact amounts to try e-mail me and I will give them to you!

Laurie K.

Deborah Wade wrote:

> I've got some GSE in capsules which I'm taking orally (150mg 3x per

> day). I have candida in my sinuses and my ears as well as my

> digestive system.

>

> Is there an effective way for me to treat my sinuses using the GSE?

> Will the capsules I'm taking orally have any effect whatsoever on my

> sinuses/ears?

>

> Any advice appreciated

>

> Debs

>

>

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if you are talking about kombucha here - you must be speaking of pills... we

make it fresh and drink it...

wendy

Re: Re: Grapefruit Seed Extract

On 19 Mar 2001, at 17:01, Deborah Wade wrote:

> Thanks . Assuming I can buy it in the UK

Yup - you can. We've jsut bought some for Louis' cold sores - it's

pretty expensive though (£11.99 for just over a week's supply

*cough*). We got it at the big health food place in Cardiff. The

make is Source Naturals. I'll send you some if you can't get it

locally, although you should'nt have a problem getting it down your

way.

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On 19 Mar 2001, at 17:01, Deborah Wade wrote:

> Thanks . Assuming I can buy it in the UK

Yup - you can. We've jsut bought some for Louis' cold sores - it's

pretty expensive though (£11.99 for just over a week's supply

*cough*). We got it at the big health food place in Cardiff. The

make is Source Naturals. I'll send you some if you can't get it

locally, although you should'nt have a problem getting it down your

way.

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Hi Deb,

I have sinus trouble because of candida and my doctor uses a

compounded saline and nystatin nasal spray. It works great.

I had tried the GSE nasal spray to no avail.

Also, you can purchase a netty pot and cleanse your sinuses with salt

water and collidial silver as others have explained.

Good luck,

Marti

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Even candida, it is told...

I am not sure of what precautions might be necessary.

I myself have taken some in the past. It

is exceedingly bitter, but you can get used to the few drops in water that

it takes.

Anyone else?

Frances

Murray wrote:

Francis said: And

isn't it funny that both the Grape Seed and the Grapefruit Seed extracts,

which must be quite different though they sound similar, came into popular

HF consciousness at about the same time!Yes, and yet Grape Seed

Extract helps to lower cholesterol, Grapefruit Seed extract is supposed

to be good for antiviral and getting rid of some parasites internally as

drops or pill, and also for cleaning, mouthwash, and other things. This

is one of those things I'm waiting to get other opinions about, though

I have read it should not be taken all the time.

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You must be very careful with the liquid. It will

cause a serious burn. Always dilute and use 3 to 5

drops. It does come in capsule form. Vitamin Shoppe

carries a great looking line of grapefruit seed

products. NutriBiotic. Vitaminshoppe.com

K

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which must be quite different though they sound

similar, came into popular

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and yet Grape Seed

Extract helps to lower cholesterol, Grapefruit Seed

extract is supposed

to be good for antiviral and getting rid of some

parasites internally as

drops or pill, and also for cleaning, mouthwash, and

other things. This

is one of those things I'm waiting to get other

opinions about, though

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My sense is that any antifungal ( candida) or antiparasitic (

parasites) is going to kill both good and bad bacteria. That is why

you need to replenish with pro-biiotics.

--- agirlasleep@... wrote:

> I read recently that GSE (Grapefruit Seed Extract) kills not

> only the harmful bacteria in the gut but also the beneficial

> bacteria as well. I had been adding it to my water occasionally

> but after I read that I stopped. I still use it to clean

> my house but not my tummy! 8-).

>

> Just thought others may want to know this about GSE.

>

> with love,

> lilith

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This from Nutribiotic GSE company:

What about rumours of Chemicals in GSE?

Newsgroups and email groups have received postings to the effect that

GSE contains Triclosan, Benzelthonium Chloride, or Methyl Paraben.

The source of this type of report comes from both Germany(Here is the

PubMed reference to the German Report) and Japan, where Citricidal is

not approved for human consumption. The reason is that Citricidal is

very similar in molecular weight to both Benzelthonium Chloride and

Triclosan, both of which are effective disinfectants, but are toxic

to human and animal life. In Germany their test for BC, Triclosan,

and M.Paraben comes up positive(which is more correctly called

a " false positive " ) and in Japan, the same is happening for

Triclosan. Meanwhile, Citricidal has been tested for the presence of

these toxins by independent labs, and has been proven clean. (Ex:

Weston Gulf Coast Laboratories, Inc., University Park, IL, test

completed in March of 1992. Tested for heavy metals, Cyanides,

Pesticides and PCBs and Benzelkonium Chloride. Results: None

Detected.) In fact, the accusations about triclosan(used in many dish

and hand soaps in the US) became so frequent a few years ago, that

Citricidal began specifically testing each batch of GSE for its

absense, and providing a Certificate of Analysis to that effect.

The truth is, Citricidal is not only effective, it has been in use

for many years. If these allegations had any validity, there

certainly would be a history of complaints and judgements against the

product, and it would have been removed from the market many years

ago. Triclosan has recently been compared to " Agent Orange " in

toxicity. The EPA rates triclosan as " highly toxic " .

Such rumours are false, and are not a threat to those armed with

accurate information. The test reports from Germany and Japan are

certainly bothersome, but they have produced " false positives " , not

accurate profiles. The vast body of evidence from many years of use

by thousands of satisfied consumers, doctors, manufacturers, and

veterinarians, speaks most loudly against such reports. (The German

report, linked above, does suggest that some suppliers of " GSE " may,

in fact, be fraudulent. But Citricidal and NutriBiotic GSE are both

proven, safe, and effective products.)

More on 'quaternary ammonium compounds' here

> Hi All,

>

> Because of the recent interest in grapefruit seed extract

> (GSE) on this and other lists, I did a search of it on medline. I

> found one study that concluded the antimicrobial effects were from

> the preservatives in GSE and not the GSE itself. (GSE that had no

> preservatives didn't kill microbes.) To find this study, go to

> PubMed (www4.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed/) and type in " grapefruit seed

> extract " . It will be the first study listed.

>

> Sincerely,

> Rich

[Guest guest]

Anne wrote:

>

> Has anyone got any recommendations about taking grapefruit

> seed extract? i have changed my anti fungals over today

> and this is the first time i have ever used these, and i

> am now spending my time on the loo, is it normal to be

> emptied so wuick with these? and does anyone have any

> suggestions as to the best time to take these?

>

> Thanks guys;-)

>

> Anne

>

Anne

I just ordered me some Pure Liquid Gold from this web site

http://www.pureliquidgold.com/

I haven't tried it yet but this web site is very informative

about Grapefruit Seed Extract. I just visited the web site

and I think its partially down cause it normally has a nice

orangey colored background so you may want to check on

another day in case the link doesn't work.

Lilly

[Guest guest]

Anne

I just ordered me some Pure Liquid Gold from this web site

http://www.pureliquidgold.com/

I haven't tried it yet but this web site is very informative

about Grapefruit Seed Extract. I just visited the web site

and I think its partially down cause it normally has a nice

orangey colored background so you may want to check on

another day in case the link doesn't work.

Lilly>>>>

Thanks Lilly, this is an interesting read too;-))))

Anne

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[Guest guest]

> Is Citrus Seed Extract the same as grapefruit seed extract? How

much of

> this do you take and for how long?

I am not sure you got the answer to this one. I didn't get the answer

to mine (which was titled: " yeast " ), so I am going to try and answer

to yours

I don't know the difference between GSE and CSE.

I used GSE to get rid of yeast, along with probiotics (Probiogold and

Culturelle, both from kirkmanlabs).

I just found out that GSE should not be given long term, but it's

best advice to take only for a period of ten days of so, associated

with the above probiotics (better Culturelle, I think), and after

interruption if GSE, still keep giving probiotics. You can get a lot

of this info from Dana's website under the yeast info section:

www.autismchannel.net/dana/index.htm

Hope this helps out.

Oh yes, my bottle of GSE says 1-3 drops from 1-2 times a day.

Xris.