H. Pylori

September 26, 2003

Olive leaf extract works really well at killing h pylori and does not do any

damage to good intestinal bacteria. I use NOW foods brand, which is

inexpensive. I understand that BlueBonnett is good also.

Blessings

Donna

Re: H. Pylori

InTake probiotics while you are taking the Prepac. Do not wait. Use a high

grade brand such as Solgar.

snip

September 26, 2003

http://www.hpylori.com.au/

beaworkman2003 wrote:

>

> Does anyone have information on H Pylori? I was diagnosed with that

> today and given a Prepac ( 4 different medicines, anbiotics ) to

> kill it. Also another for ulcer, due to some burning. After

> searching google, I found out 2/3 of people have it, which I did not

> know. Also I guess after this 14 day treatment, candida may be a

> possiblilty due to the antibiotics.

>

> Thanks,

> Bea

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September 26, 2003

dear bea,

the antibiotics will most likely worsen your entire situation.

i have had success with colloidal silver for helicobacter.

you need quite an amount tho.

for three days, take an ounce of colloidal silver with water on an empty

stomach 7 to 10 times a day (take little sips and drink slowly). that should

do the trick.

helicobacter can cause anything from nothing over heart burn to stomach

cancer. it depends on your constitution.

but throw away the antibiotics.... they mess it all up.

marlene

H. Pylori

> Does anyone have information on H Pylori? I was diagnosed with that

> today and given a Prepac ( 4 different medicines, anbiotics ) to

> kill it. Also another for ulcer, due to some burning. After

> searching google, I found out 2/3 of people have it, which I did not

> know. Also I guess after this 14 day treatment, candida may be a

> possiblilty due to the antibiotics.

>

> Thanks,

> Bea

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September 26, 2003

In a message dated 9/26/2003 5:52:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

bworkman@... writes:

> Does anyone have information on H Pylori? I was diagnosed with that

> today and given a Prepac ( 4 different medicines, anbiotics ) to

> kill it. Also another for ulcer, due to some burning. After

> searching google, I found out 2/3 of people have it, which I did not

> know. Also I guess after this 14 day treatment, candida may be a

> possiblilty due to the antibiotics.

>

> Thanks,

> Bea

>

Bea,

Take probiotics while you are taking the Prepac. Do not wait. Use a high

grade brand such as Solgar.

Also, you will need a bulking agent during treatment so the dead bacteria

does not cling to the intestinal walls and create toxins which will result in a

relapse of symptoms very similar to the Pylori.

I was diagnosed with Pylori by my ND. He has given me homeopathic extracts

that have worked very well.

Good healing thoughts your way-

September 26, 2003

In a message dated 9/26/2003 11:53:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

duncancrow@... writes:

> Hi Bea;

>

> What the colloidal silver doesn't kill, coocnut oil does. It's been

> tested on H. pylori, and also candida.

>

> Duncan Crow

>

Duncan,

I am intrigued by the coconut oil.

Could you cite your statement? I would love to read more about it.

I would like to read research independent of Tropical Traditions.

Thanks!

September 26, 2003

in my experience, i want to take colloidal silver only on an empty stomach.

so, keep in mind that -if there is discomfort- this is what you should do.

low ppm (5ppm) colloidal silver made with a home generator DEFINITILY

has helped my lyme disease. in fact, it may be one of the best remedies,

possibly better than standard abx.

--

best,

willian

September 26, 2003

Hi Bea;

What the colloidal silver doesn't kill, coocnut oil does. It's been

tested on H. pylori, and also candida.

Duncan Crow

>

> Does anyone have information on H Pylori? I was diagnosed with that

> today and given a Prepac ( 4 different medicines, anbiotics ) to

> kill it. Also another for ulcer, due to some burning. After

> searching google, I found out 2/3 of people have it, which I did not

> know. Also I guess after this 14 day treatment, candida may be a

> possiblilty due to the antibiotics.

>

> Thanks,

> Bea

September 26, 2003

I also hear that ozonated water works.

> Hi Bea;

>

> What the colloidal silver doesn't kill, coocnut oil does. It's been

> tested on H. pylori, and also candida.

>

> Duncan Crow

>

> >

> > Does anyone have information on H Pylori? I was diagnosed with

that

> > today and given a Prepac ( 4 different medicines, anbiotics ) to

> > kill it. Also another for ulcer, due to some burning. After

> > searching google, I found out 2/3 of people have it, which I did

not

> > know. Also I guess after this 14 day treatment, candida may be a

> > possiblilty due to the antibiotics.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Bea

September 26, 2003

Duncan, by coconut oil for candida do you mean caprylic acid or

undeclyenic (sp?) acid...or just plain old coconut oil.

> Hi Bea;

>

> What the colloidal silver doesn't kill, coocnut oil does. It's been

> tested on H. pylori, and also candida.

>

> Duncan Crow

>

> >

> > Does anyone have information on H Pylori? I was diagnosed with

that

> > today and given a Prepac ( 4 different medicines, anbiotics ) to

> > kill it. Also another for ulcer, due to some burning. After

> > searching google, I found out 2/3 of people have it, which I did

not

> > know. Also I guess after this 14 day treatment, candida may be a

> > possiblilty due to the antibiotics.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Bea

September 26, 2003

Good advice. The antibiotic will save your life.

Re: H. Pylori

> Hi Bea:

> I had the same thing years ago and went down the antibiotic route. They

were

> horrible horse pills and I had to take them 4 weeks.

> Messed up my system.

> The next time I had the Pylori I took heavy doses of Colloidal Silver and

it

> took care of it.

> I would suggest you try that and see if it works for you.

> Christel

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September 26, 2003

caprylic and lauric are the studies I've seen, and actually several

fatty acids do the job. Coconut oil is about 50% lauric and 7%

caprylic acids, so it works as is.

Duncan Crow

> Duncan, by coconut oil for candida do you mean caprylic acid or

> undeclyenic (sp?) acid...or just plain old coconut oil.

>

> > Hi Bea; > > What the colloidal silver doesn't kill, coocnut oil

> does. It's been > tested on H. pylori, and also candida.

September 26, 2003

Hmm. NEver occurred dto me to just use coconut oil. It's kind of

sweet though so I probably wouldn't like it on th edish I just had

(garbanzo beans with salt and pepper). ;-) I am going to try it.

> > > Hi Bea; > > What the colloidal silver doesn't kill, coocnut oil

> > does. It's been > tested on H. pylori, and also candida.

September 26, 2003

I like the taste on most everything I eat. Try it, see if you like it.

jill1313 wrote:

> Hmm. NEver occurred dto me to just use coconut oil. It's kind of

> sweet though so I probably wouldn't like it on th edish I just had

> (garbanzo beans with salt and pepper). ;-) I am going to try it.

>

> > > > Hi Bea; > > What the colloidal silver doesn't kill, coocnut oil

> > > does. It's been > tested on H. pylori, and also candida.

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September 29, 2003

dear jill,

just in case, you didn´t receive my private email.....,

your payment thru paypal was returned, because i had made a mistake. very

sorry about that. but i would appreciate it very much, if you could resend

it. sorry to cause you trouble..... still have to get used to the procedere

at paypal when receiving payments.

many thanks

marlene

Re: H. Pylori

> I also hear that ozonated water works.

>

> > Hi Bea;

> >

> > What the colloidal silver doesn't kill, coocnut oil does. It's been

> > tested on H. pylori, and also candida.

> >

> > Duncan Crow

> >

> > >

> > > Does anyone have information on H Pylori? I was diagnosed with

> that

> > > today and given a Prepac ( 4 different medicines, anbiotics ) to

> > > kill it. Also another for ulcer, due to some burning. After

> > > searching google, I found out 2/3 of people have it, which I did

> not

> > > know. Also I guess after this 14 day treatment, candida may be a

> > > possiblilty due to the antibiotics.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Bea

>

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October 12, 2004

Dear Barb,

That's great the your accupuncturist can treat your h. pylori with

herbs. Go for it! H. phylori could definitely cause that gnawing in

your stomach. Sounds like the way I felt when I had it.

IMO since you have a definite diagnosis of h. pylori there would be

no need to get further tests at this time. Start treating it right

away with herbs. Treating h. pylori could make quite a difference to

your health.

You say you are allergic to some herbs? Is it an allergy " per se " or

is it a sensitivity? If you are getting symptoms in reaction to

certain herbs and it's not an allergy you can take them safely

without causing a life threatening situation, maybe just some

uncomfortable symptoms.

You should be able to take those herbs anyhow, but start at a very

low dose like I did - it was 1/4 of a capsule, when the normal dose

was 2 capsules. Or even start at 1/8th of a capsule (it is usually

powdered) and spread doses throughout the day.

>>>However when I picked up the results on paper I saw that the igG

and igA were negative and the igM was in the high range.

==>If your doctor didn't specifically mention them it is likely they

aren't a big problem, but you could call him and find out for sure.

You might consider holding off on the other tests or appointments at

this time and treat h. pylori - it may change the picture a lot.

The best to you,

Bee

October 12, 2004

I read that coconut oil helps to destroy h. pylori. You might want to make sure

you are taking that every day.

I had H Pilori and did the antibiotic route. I felt better within 5 days and

had no more symptoms one week after my course of antibiotics. My candida kicked

up but I was extra careful with what I ate during and after the antibiotic

course. In my opinion sometimes you might just have to take a course of

antibiotics and be more stringent on dealing with the candida afterwards.

I would also research whatever herbs the accupuncturist wants to give you to see

if there is any proof that these herbs really work. I spent a lot of time doing

some holistic remedies that proved to be worthless. You have to check it out

just like standard medicine. I am also very sensitive to herbs and had a

serious reaction to St. s Wort. The holistic practioner said my body would

get used to it in time and that was a bunch of crap. I had major asthma attacks

every time I took it. Once I went to the hospital. The practioner still

insisted that St. s Wort was safe to take.

I had an endoscopy after the antibiotic course. It was to see if there was any

H pylori left and to see if there had been any damage. I had the H Pylori for

years and it was the cause of my reflux and stomach pains. I had been treated

for reflux until I insisted on a test. They found 2 spots that had been

inflamed and took small samples to see if it was cancerous. It was not.

The doctor told me they check for that and than they start treating you to heal

the inflammation because the problem is sometimes the body will move stomach

cells up there to repair the damage and than you are in for real trouble.

Don't mess with your health. I use both regular medical and holistic

practioners and you need to check both of them out.

-------------- Original message --------------

Yet another common thread! Today I went to my 1st accupuncture

appointment. I was very excited that the docotr said my h. pylori

infection could be treated without antibiotics~that herbs were very

sucessful. She understood that I am sensitive to many herbs and said

that there are different types and that we would go slowly. I went

to her with a positive diagnosis of h. pylori because my doctor's

office told me over the phone this morning that my blood test showed

a " high " for the bacteria. However when I picked up the results on

paper I saw that the igG and igA were negative and the igM was in the

high range. I have no idea what that means and I need to clarify

that. So I'm not certain if this gnawing in my stomach is h. pylori

or not. If it is not, I assumed I would need an endoscopy to

determine what it is. I believe this is the test Bee was referring

to in her message to Kim. Is there another option? I am certainly

not looking forward to this invasive test.

Thanks!

barb

October 12, 2004

Hi Barb!

I'd love to hear the names of the herbs your doctor is treating with. Is one

of them Gum Mastic?

As far as the discussion of antibiotics vs. herbs for treating bad bacteria

I think we should all keep one thing in mind: whatever treatment is used

will probably be very hard on your system so take it easy. Any thing,

" natural " or unnatural, that can kill a bad bug living in the hydrochloric

acid of your stomach is going to be a pretty fierce substance so I wouldn't

be surprised if you have reactions to even the herbs: herbs that strong

enough to mess with bad bacteria are going to be harsh on your system.

So whether a person takes antibiotics or opts for another approach, anytime

we undertake the job of removing bad bacteria, it's going to stress the

liver and other parts of the body's systems. So get lots of rest and take it

easy..

Good luck whatever you do!!!!

~Robin

October 13, 2004

Thanks Russ,

MSM and oil of oregano are okay, but I do not agree with taking

colloidal silver. While I don't mind your website because you have

some good things on it I don't agree with all of the protocols you

list.

Are you selling these products?

Bee

October 13, 2004

Thanks guys for all of your helpful responses! The accupuncturist

did not tell me which herbs she had in mind. But my great hesitation

is that a couple of months ago I was quite sensitive. Landed in the

ER with heart palpitations, dizziness, etc. Not to mention that my

bowel was so hyper, I lost 4# in 2 days. I decided that I am not

willing to experiment at this time. I went to a new internist

yesterday, she went over my options with a gastrenterologist she

works with. He said from the test results and symptoms I should

definately be treated. The course of treatment is Biaxin 2t 2x daily

and Prevacid 2x also for 14 days. I wonder, too, what this bacterial

infection has meant in terms of my health? I am going ahead with

the 'traditional' course. I will be very careful about my

diet....watching grains more carefully and cutting out all shakes!

My desire is to get my body back in balance, and needing to

supplement my diet with shakes everyday of my life tells me that

something is out of whack! And, yes, I have been including coconut

oil and butter in my diet everyday. I really felt that this has had

some positive effects! It's encouraging to be reminded of what is

helpful...it's harder to backslide that way. I have read here that

probiotics should be taken hours(?) away from the antibiotic. Any

other tips while on this regimine for damage control and to maintain

weight......? thank you, again!

Barb

October 13, 2004

Any

> other tips while on this regimine for damage control and to

maintain

> weight......? thank you, again!

> Barb

hi again

properly prepared nuts are good for weight gain (see files for

soaking method), maybe you'd enjoy bee's nutmilk recipes as you have

been drinking shakes.

also olives and extra virgin olive oil are good for weight gain. if

you buy olives, just get the ones cured with salt, no vinegar. you'll

recognise them becasue they are packed without liquid, they look like

little prunes!

remember that coconut oil boosts your metabolism so you're burning up

foods at a more rapid rate. i believe raw butter does the same thing.

now a question: how does one get an h pylori problem? where does it

come from and what makes it get out of control? forgive me if this

info has been shared lately, i'm having a rough few days with lots of

BRAINFOG (very high pollen count here right now, and its making me

feel sick and sort of drugged). i'm interested in this conversation.

so please remind me how it starts, or where one gets it from.

thanks!

~ suz

October 13, 2004

I took the same perscription 2 years ago and did not have any problems until the

last couple of days when I remember having the runs. I was eating low carb then

too (not neccesarrily as strict for candida problems) and remember having

intense cravings and having to fight that. I continued with what I was eating

and wished I would of known about some other stuff to help cravings at that

time.

I felt so much better after the antibiotic course. I had so much pain and

heartburn etc. Just being around someone eating hot sauce would kill

me......the vapors were unbearable. I don't know how it will affect you but it

really helped me. I don't think you can take the probiotics during that time

period. You will have to ask Bee about that.

My doctor said that he treats a lot of Russian families and finds a lot of them

have H Pylori. I can't remember what he said but not that it was hereditary but

on that order of certain cultural groups were more prone to get it. Otherwise I

think he said you can get it from a variety of things. I believe I picked mine

up when I was in Bosnia and had it for years before it was diagnosed and

treated.

Last month I was retested for it as I was having some problems again. They can

check your urine to see if it is back again. It wasn't back and it was just a

candida flare up that I had to go through.

Good Luck and let us know what happens.

Jeanne