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I like all of Kemal's information down below. He/she certainl did their

research.

I've been on cytomel since March and I feel 1000% better. Its more of a

synthyroid and cytomel mixture (which seems to be the case in a lot of

people) but it still works.

Definitely read all the links given below and decide for yourself. There

was controversy over synthyroid too, along with a class action lawsuit that

for some reason I received money for...

All therapies are worth looking into.

GL and tell everyone how its going.

Zen.

Re: Cytomel

hi monica & welcome! ,yes, I've I've taken Cytomel (T3), but i took in

addition to Levoxyl (T4). I'm kinda surprised your doc wants you to take the

Cytomel instead of Synthroid (T4 also).

Adding the Cytomel helped me a lot, but i have no idea how it would be just

to drop the T4 and go with Cytomel only. I guess it depends on your

situation.

anyway, I have TONS of info about Cytomel. Some doctors will use it; some

won't. there's a controversy about it. I would recommend it. I don't take it

now. I switched to Armour and that's better for me than the synthetics.

I can't remember what links Tina posted, but here are a few to get you

started.

At this first site are many, many links about Cytomel. That should keep you

busy!

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/t3controversy/

This site has a lot of great information and many links to back up what

she's saying:

http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

This site also has a lot of great info...it's from a doctor too!

http://www.drlowe.com/QandA/askdrlowe/t3.htm

Here's a great site to get basic information. I don't know much reading

you've done about this disease, but this is a wonderful place to get started

learning more.

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/basics_starthere/index.htm

This next site is one of my favorites. It has a whole lot of information

about Armour (dessicated thyroid) which I take, but it also has a lot of

information about synthetic T3.

http://www.thyroid.bravepages.com/dt.html

Okay, I think I've given you enough to get started. If you have ANY

questions please feel free to ask. This group is very knowledgeable and

supportive & we are here to help each other.

Also, feel free to share your story.

I only stayed on synthetic T4 for about 4 months. It helped a little, but

that's all. We added the Cytomel right away and I felt SO much better...much

more back to my normal self. I then switched to Armour because I was still

not where I wanted to be.

Right now i am doing great...just still having some memory problems and

brain fog.

I'm sorry you've been feeling crappy for the past year on synthroid, but

thank goodness there are other medications. What dosage were you on, by the

way?

keep us posted, and don't be shy about asking questions. Hugs, sheila

mwcislo <mwcislo@...> wrote:

Hello - Does any one know about this alternative to synthroid? My Dr.

recommended it to me. All I know is it is T3. He says I'm ideal for it

being young (24) I am still so tired after being on synthroid for over a

year now. If any one has taken this or knows anyhting about it I would love

to have some information.

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hi monica, well...he may have meant that, but some docs just RX cytomel only for

their patients...i think if they have 's Syndrome or something. so i

wasn't sure. take care, sheila

mwcislo <mwcislo@...> wrote:Thanks a lot! Now that you guys mentioned it

I'm sure he meant in

addition to synthroid (I just didn't know anything about it) Thanks

for all the links and personal stories! I am looking forward to

feeling better! This is a great site

Thank you

> Hello - Does any one know about this alternative to synthroid? My

> Dr. recommended it to me. All I know is it is T3. He says I'm

ideal

> for it being young (24) I am still so tired after being on

synthroid

> for over a year now. If any one has taken this or knows anyhting

> about it I would love to have some information.

>

> Thanks

>

>

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wrote <<Hello - Does any one know about this alternative to synthroid?>>

Hi --

Usually dr.'s will prescribe cytomel " in addition to synthroid " ....not as an

alternative. Just what I've heard from people....

If he/she wants to add cytomel -- I'd say go for it!!!

Cytomel

Hello - Does any one know about this alternative to synthroid? My

Dr. recommended it to me. All I know is it is T3. He says I'm ideal

for it being young (24) I am still so tired after being on synthroid

for over a year now. If any one has taken this or knows anyhting

about it I would love to have some information.

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Your doc has it sort of right. Almost everyone feels better with T3 added.

New research shows that diabetics need T3 b/c no conversion takes place

inside cells, although most diabetics are told they don't need thyroid meds,

based on TSH and T4 labs.

Gracia

> Hello - Does any one know about this alternative to synthroid? My

> Dr. recommended it to me. All I know is it is T3. He says I'm ideal

> for it being young (24) I am still so tired after being on synthroid

> for over a year now. If any one has taken this or knows anyhting

> about it I would love to have some information.

>

> Thanks

>

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Take a small tape recorder <like lawyers use> and record the appts...

Re: Cytomel

> You know why can't doctors give out info pages to their patients??

> this always upsets me that they think we understand what they are

> saying like we are recording them, when we are nervous, have no idea

> what they are talking about---I really hate the way they do their

> business!!!!!! they put no thought to it on the patient side of

> issues.

>

> all the times I've had surgery and had to go home and remember what

> to tell hubby---how crazy was that!!!!!!!!

>

> we must demand info sheets!!!!!!!!!!

>

> tina

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couldn't find that one article I had that linked diabetes with

glucoma 100% to untreated thyroid disease---been begging my mother-in-

law to get treated for thyroid with her diabetes----NO one doctor

seems to understand the link nor do they do the testing---they

refused to do so (this is another long story)

-- In hypothyroidism , " Gracia " <circe@g...> wrote:

>

> Your doc has it sort of right. Almost everyone feels better with

T3 added.

> New research shows that diabetics need T3 b/c no conversion takes

place

> inside cells, although most diabetics are told they don't need

thyroid meds,

> based on TSH and T4 labs.

> Gracia

>

> > Hello - Does any one know about this alternative to synthroid? My

> > Dr. recommended it to me. All I know is it is T3. He says I'm

ideal

> > for it being young (24) I am still so tired after being on

synthroid

> > for over a year now. If any one has taken this or knows anyhting

> > about it I would love to have some information.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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That does not sound right to me. It makes no sense. Can you ask your

dr. why you don't need T4 as well as T3?

I myself have had nobody diagnose me, so I'm doing it myself at this

time. However, I did email Dr. Lowe to ask him if there was a GOOD

endo in my area at all. He wrote back that the number of endos he

could recommend worldwide could be put in a thimble, and

unfortunately none of them anywhere near me. His suggestion is to

find a homeopathic doctor. That makes sense to me. Homeopathic vets

(which my vet is-- and how I do wish my vet was my Dr.) are the ones

most open to new ideas. So, this is what I would advise as well-- if

you can find a homeopathic Dr.

Gail

..

> So... my general doc proposed cytomel (and he did mean instead of

> synthroid) and to be safe he checks with my endo - my endo doesn't

> believe in cytomel and won't perscribe it I already asked about

> armour and my reg doc said no way I made an appointment with my

endo

> so I can search alternatives - I just want to feel better Does

anyone

> have any suggestions? Does anyone have a female endo? I was

> thinking a female would be better to understand more of what women

> w/hypo go through

> Thanks

>

>

>

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The docs are afraid of this one. My endo started me with cytomel

only too. That is actually a good sign and place to start. They

have to rule out complete conversion problems as with 's

protocol. And, that may be the answer for you - you won't know

without starting there.

If you have extreme problems converting the T4 it can create RT3 that

blocks T3 absorption and you stay sick. This is what he was wanting

to rule out. Then once that is shown not to be the case they

reintroduce a mixture of T4 with the T3 which is where I am at as are

many people. This is just one of the reasons that people feel so

much better on Armour. It is easy to see that you need T4 if you

feel great for half the day and lousy in the evening. Or with me,

joint pain returned with a vengenance. Part of the T3 is too short

of a half life to keep you completely stable.

I got my endo to prescribe it when I went in during a terrible

episode and said test me - do something. What ever you come up with

I will trust but you can see I am doing terribly today. You won't

give me Cytomel or Armour, fine. What do you recommend because I

have got to improve and can barely function like this. He agreed and

started Cytomel. I have never had another occurrance since then.

Depending on where you are located, you may have an easier time

getting cytomel than ARmour. I absolutely cannot get any doc's in

my area to consider Armour. My endo commented that cytomel holds so

much liability that they are afraid to prescribe it and will only do

so under extreme circumstance. The reason is Synthroid can make you

hyper but won't give you an immediate heart attack. Too large of a

dose of cytomel will kill you so you must be careful with introducing

it.

By all means try a women. For me that wasn't the answer. My female

gyn missed everything, dx'd pms and put me on zoloft. All that went

away when the thyroid was properly addressed. I found my doc on

mary's TOP doc list.

Sherry

> So... my general doc proposed cytomel (and he did mean instead of

> synthroid) and to be safe he checks with my endo - my endo doesn't

> believe in cytomel and won't perscribe it I already asked about

> armour and my reg doc said no way I made an appointment with my

endo

> so I can search alternatives - I just want to feel better Does

anyone

> have any suggestions? Does anyone have a female endo? I was

> thinking a female would be better to understand more of what women

> w/hypo go through

> Thanks

>

>

>

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http://www.ithyroid.com/supplement_list.htm

SELENIUM

(The essential mineral component of 5'-deiodinase enzymes which

convert the prohormone T4 to the cellular active hormone T3.

Deficiency of selenium will cause " low T3 Syndrome " where T4 levels

are normal but T3 is low. Selenium and/or iodine deficiencies cause

goiter. Selenium is the most important mineral to counter the toxic

effects of heavy metals. Selenium is essential for production of

glutathione peroxidase which is one of the three most important

antioxidant defenses of the body. Can be toxic at levels of over 1000

mcg per day. Goiter will result from a selenium deficiency (or iodine

deficiency), and many hypers and hypos have goiter.)

HYPERS: Take 200-600 mcg per day. If you have a known high level of

mercury or other toxic metal, consider taking more. Start at 100 mcg

and work up slowly.

HYPOS: Take 200-600 mcg of selenium per day. Mercury in silver

amalgam fillings uses up selenium for detoxification. High amounts of

amalgam fillings may require more selenium. Don't take over 600 mcg.

> > So... my general doc proposed cytomel (and he did mean instead of

> > synthroid) and to be safe he checks with my endo - my endo

doesn't

> > believe in cytomel and won't perscribe it I already asked about

> > armour and my reg doc said no way I made an appointment with my

> endo

> > so I can search alternatives - I just want to feel better Does

> anyone

> > have any suggestions? Does anyone have a female endo? I was

> > thinking a female would be better to understand more of what

women

> > w/hypo go through

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

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hi ,

did your doc tell you why he wanted to RX Cytomel instead of Synthroid vs.

Cytomel along with Synthroid. Usually docs opt for both Synthroid and Cytomel. I

think the times they RX Cytomel only is when you have 's Syndrome. Maybe

there are others times too...haven't heard of anyone else just taking Cytomel

though.

You could try Cytomel by itself and see, but I think you need both. Cytomel (T3)

cannot pass through the brain from what I've been told. So if you're having

symtpoms of brain fog, memory and concentration problems, headaches, etc., the

Cytomel won't be able to help with that. From what I've been told only T4 can

get to the brain and from there will convert to T3. I have no idea why...it's

just what I was told.

Maybe your endo will Rx Armour??? If not, you can order it overseas without a

prescription. We can help you figure out how to dose if you decide you want to

do that. it's pretty easy.

Good luck and keep us posted! hugs, sheila

mwcislo <mwcislo@...> wrote:

So... my general doc proposed cytomel (and he did mean instead of

synthroid) and to be safe he checks with my endo - my endo doesn't

believe in cytomel and won't perscribe it I already asked about

armour and my reg doc said no way I made an appointment with my endo

so I can search alternatives - I just want to feel better Does anyone

have any suggestions? Does anyone have a female endo? I was

thinking a female would be better to understand more of what women

w/hypo go through

Thanks

> >

> > Your doc has it sort of right. Almost everyone feels better with

> T3 added.

> > New research shows that diabetics need T3 b/c no conversion takes

> place

> > inside cells, although most diabetics are told they don't need

> thyroid meds,

> > based on TSH and T4 labs.

> > Gracia

> >

> > > Hello - Does any one know about this alternative to synthroid?

My

> > > Dr. recommended it to me. All I know is it is T3. He says I'm

> ideal

> > > for it being young (24) I am still so tired after being on

> synthroid

> > > for over a year now. If any one has taken this or knows

anyhting

> > > about it I would love to have some information.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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you're probably smart to think that but mine is worse than most men - I'm

refusing to go back to her at this point.

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Subject: Cytomel

Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:28:31 -0000

So... my general doc proposed cytomel (and he did mean instead of

synthroid) and to be safe he checks with my endo - my endo doesn't

believe in cytomel and won't perscribe it I already asked about

armour and my reg doc said no way I made an appointment with my endo

so I can search alternatives - I just want to feel better Does anyone

have any suggestions? Does anyone have a female endo? I was

thinking a female would be better to understand more of what women

w/hypo go through

Thanks

> >

> > Your doc has it sort of right. Almost everyone feels better with

> T3 added.

> > New research shows that diabetics need T3 b/c no conversion takes

> place

> > inside cells, although most diabetics are told they don't need

> thyroid meds,

> > based on TSH and T4 labs.

> > Gracia

> >

> > > Hello - Does any one know about this alternative to synthroid?

My

> > > Dr. recommended it to me. All I know is it is T3. He says I'm

> ideal

> > > for it being young (24) I am still so tired after being on

> synthroid

> > > for over a year now. If any one has taken this or knows

anyhting

> > > about it I would love to have some information.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Sheila,

I am on a small dose of Cytomel but I think my doc gave it to me just to

shut me up. :)

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Subject: Re: Cytomel

Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:04:33 -0700 (PDT)

hi ,

did your doc tell you why he wanted to RX Cytomel instead of Synthroid vs.

Cytomel along with Synthroid. Usually docs opt for both Synthroid and

Cytomel. I think the times they RX Cytomel only is when you have 's

Syndrome. Maybe there are others times too...haven't heard of anyone else

just taking Cytomel though.

You could try Cytomel by itself and see, but I think you need both. Cytomel

(T3) cannot pass through the brain from what I've been told. So if you're

having symtpoms of brain fog, memory and concentration problems, headaches,

etc., the Cytomel won't be able to help with that. From what I've been told

only T4 can get to the brain and from there will convert to T3. I have no

idea why...it's just what I was told.

Maybe your endo will Rx Armour??? If not, you can order it overseas without

a prescription. We can help you figure out how to dose if you decide you

want to do that. it's pretty easy.

Good luck and keep us posted! hugs, sheila

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good for you for fighting for it, ! what are you on .5 mgs twice a day?

that's what i was on and boy did it making a difference! Are you noticing you're

feeling better with it? hugs, sheila

K a r e n P <karlynn17@...> wrote:Sheila,

I am on a small dose of Cytomel but I think my doc gave it to me just to

shut me up. :)

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Subject: Re: Cytomel

Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:04:33 -0700 (PDT)

hi ,

did your doc tell you why he wanted to RX Cytomel instead of Synthroid vs.

Cytomel along with Synthroid. Usually docs opt for both Synthroid and

Cytomel. I think the times they RX Cytomel only is when you have 's

Syndrome. Maybe there are others times too...haven't heard of anyone else

just taking Cytomel though.

You could try Cytomel by itself and see, but I think you need both. Cytomel

(T3) cannot pass through the brain from what I've been told. So if you're

having symtpoms of brain fog, memory and concentration problems, headaches,

etc., the Cytomel won't be able to help with that. From what I've been told

only T4 can get to the brain and from there will convert to T3. I have no

idea why...it's just what I was told.

Maybe your endo will Rx Armour??? If not, you can order it overseas without

a prescription. We can help you figure out how to dose if you decide you

want to do that. it's pretty easy.

Good luck and keep us posted! hugs, sheila

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Just look for a topdoc and avoid endos!!

http://www.geocities.com/thyroide

Gracia

> So... my general doc proposed cytomel (and he did mean instead of

> synthroid) and to be safe he checks with my endo - my endo doesn't

> believe in cytomel and won't perscribe it I already asked about

> armour and my reg doc said no way I made an appointment with my endo

> so I can search alternatives - I just want to feel better Does anyone

> have any suggestions? Does anyone have a female endo? I was

> thinking a female would be better to understand more of what women

> w/hypo go through

> Thanks

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Your doc has it sort of right. Almost everyone feels better with

> > T3 added.

> > > New research shows that diabetics need T3 b/c no conversion takes

> > place

> > > inside cells, although most diabetics are told they don't need

> > thyroid meds,

> > > based on TSH and T4 labs.

> > > Gracia

> > >

> > > > Hello - Does any one know about this alternative to synthroid?

> My

> > > > Dr. recommended it to me. All I know is it is T3. He says I'm

> > ideal

> > > > for it being young (24) I am still so tired after being on

> > synthroid

> > > > for over a year now. If any one has taken this or knows

> anyhting

> > > > about it I would love to have some information.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Hi Sheila,

welll my T3 numbers went from 120 to 159 with just taking 5 mgs of Cytomel.

I can't say that I feel that much better. For about 3 weeks after my

wedding I was sooooo exhausted it was unbelievable. I took a nap when the

baby napped every day for 2-3 hours and that didn't seem like enough. My

last tests came out great, which doesn't mean everything but it's a good

marker. My sister told me she was anaemic again and I was like, wow am I

dumb. I've had low iron off and on for years. I started taking my iron and

I feel about 75% better. I've also started taking my multi more

consistantly. My stupid doc left a message on my machine and I asked my

husband to listen to it. He agreed with me that that was the last thing she

wanted to be doing (leaving me a message). She doesn't like me b/c I

question her and know my stuff. We're buying a house soon, so I'm going to

not go back to her and just find a new doc where we move. I would love to

find a homeopathic doc or naturopath - insurance doesn't cover these docs do

they?

Well enough about me - sorry about your friend's loss. I can't imagine how

terrible that must be. Keep doing your art! :)

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Subject: Re: Cytomel

Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:21:54 -0700 (PDT)

good for you for fighting for it, ! what are you on .5 mgs twice a day?

that's what i was on and boy did it making a difference! Are you noticing

you're feeling better with it? hugs, sheila

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Thanks for the post. I am sure Selenium is essential but I have to

add I already take this supplement. So it is not always the total

answer but I good place to start.

Sherry

> > > So... my general doc proposed cytomel (and he did mean instead

of

> > > synthroid) and to be safe he checks with my endo - my endo

> doesn't

> > > believe in cytomel and won't perscribe it I already asked about

> > > armour and my reg doc said no way I made an appointment with my

> > endo

> > > so I can search alternatives - I just want to feel better Does

> > anyone

> > > have any suggestions? Does anyone have a female endo? I was

> > > thinking a female would be better to understand more of what

> women

> > > w/hypo go through

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

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I take T3. I've taken Cynomel (brand name for it) and now I take

compounded time-released T3. But I also take T4 (Synthroid, but I use

another brand). Are you gonna take just T3? I've taken just T3 and it

didn't work for me.

Jan

mwcislo wrote:

>Hello - Does any one know about this alternative to synthroid? My

>Dr. recommended it to me. All I know is it is T3. He says I'm ideal

>for it being young (24) I am still so tired after being on synthroid

>for over a year now. If any one has taken this or knows anyhting

>about it I would love to have some information.

>

>Thanks

>

>

>

>

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Mmm, can you talk to the regular doc again? At least he seems more

open-minded than the endo...

Jan

mwcislo wrote:

>So... my general doc proposed cytomel (and he did mean instead of

>synthroid) and to be safe he checks with my endo - my endo doesn't

>believe in cytomel and won't perscribe it I already asked about

>armour and my reg doc said no way I made an appointment with my endo

>so I can search alternatives - I just want to feel better Does anyone

>have any suggestions? Does anyone have a female endo? I was

>thinking a female would be better to understand more of what women

>w/hypo go through

>Thanks

>

>

>

>

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I've read right the opposite, that T3 is the only one that will ease

brain symptoms.

Kemal Kalajdzic wrote:

>Cytomel (T3) cannot pass through the brain from what I've been told. So if

you're having symtpoms of brain fog, memory and concentration problems,

headaches, etc., the Cytomel won't be able to help with that. From what I've

been told only T4 can get to the brain and from there will convert to T3. I have

no idea why...it's just what I was told.

>

>

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I agree, I have read studies indicating that T3 is good for

depression. I don't see how that can be if it doesn't cross the

brain barrier. And it did help the brian fog, memory, concentration

and mood.

Sherry

>

> >Cytomel (T3) cannot pass through the brain from what I've been

told. So if you're having symtpoms of brain fog, memory and

concentration problems, headaches, etc., the Cytomel won't be able to

help with that. From what I've been told only T4 can get to the brain

and from there will convert to T3. I have no idea why...it's just

what I was told.

> >

> >

> >

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Sherry,

you wrote:

> I agree, I have read studies indicating that T3 is good for

> depression. I don't see how that can be if it doesn't cross the

> brain barrier. And it did help the brian fog, memory, concentration

> and mood.

T3 raises the metabolism generally, which changes the levels of

hundreds, if not thousands, of chemicals that do cross the brain barrier

and which directly help brain function. The most critical are probably

glucose and messengers which control glucose conversion.

Chuck

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so then is it T4 that can't cross the brain barrier? sheila

Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:Sherry,

you wrote:

> I agree, I have read studies indicating that T3 is good for

> depression. I don't see how that can be if it doesn't cross the

> brain barrier. And it did help the brian fog, memory, concentration

> and mood.

T3 raises the metabolism generally, which changes the levels of

hundreds, if not thousands, of chemicals that do cross the brain barrier

and which directly help brain function. The most critical are probably

glucose and messengers which control glucose conversion.

Chuck

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Right, that is why docs use it for depression in non-hypothyroid people

even.

Jan

Sherry wrote:

>I agree, I have read studies indicating that T3 is good for

>depression. I don't see how that can be if it doesn't cross the

>brain barrier. And it did help the brian fog, memory, concentration

>and mood.

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>Sherry

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>>I've read right the opposite, that T3 is the only one that will

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>ease

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>>brain symptoms.

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T3 should help you lose weight. You might need more T3, you might be

undertreated, you might need some DHEA.

Gracia

> I need advice, my dr. put me on cytomel 5 mg two times a day and I have

put

> on five pounds............. is there a connection?

>

> Thanks for any replies

>

> Shelby

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Joyce, i started on just Synthroid. It helped but did not end my symptoms. My

Dr. started me on cytomel in addition to the synthroid and I do feel a lot

better and I was able to loose some of my weight that I gained. I'm not 100%

but synthroid + cytomel has helped me a lot. That's why I don't want my dr. to

cut my cytomel down further.

joyce mcclure <river_catherin@...> wrote: Hi, this is Joyce. I

have been reading all the messages on cytomel, but I have never heard of it

before. My thyroid has been shut down for a long, is this (cytomel) something I

need to check out?

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