Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Eva Sapi at UNH researches it. You might see some of her abstracts posted among ILADS info. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:56 AM, <already_free@...> wrote: > > > > I have a question about what others are doing or have done to disrupt > biofilms. Did these things seem to work for you? > > Does anyone know of any real research into this area? > > Personally I have been taking a high dose of the herb bromelain. I believe > it has been helping me. It is proteolytic and I am hoping it will render the > pathogens more visible to my immune system and also make them more > acceptable to antibiotics. Bromelain is also anti-inflammatory and I do feel > quite a bit better when I take it. It's effect on the biofilms is hard for > one person to judge subjectively, but I do believe it is helping. > > I am also wondering if using pulsed ultrasound to frequently treat my most > painful joints would mechanically disrupt the biofilms and make treatment > more effective? Anyone have any experience in this, or thoughts. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 My doctor says that the current favored supplement on this front is lumbrokinase, which he has begun to put his patients on (including me). I had a pretty good herx the first week I was on it. Sara On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 53PM, wrote: > > I have a question about what others are doing or have done to disrupt biofilms. Did these things seem to work for you? > > Does anyone know of any real research into this area? > > Personally I have been taking a high dose of the herb bromelain. I believe it has been helping me. It is proteolytic and I am hoping it will render the pathogens more visible to my immune system and also make them more acceptable to antibiotics. Bromelain is also anti-inflammatory and I do feel quite a bit better when I take it. It's effect on the biofilms is hard for one person to judge subjectively, but I do believe it is helping. > > I am also wondering if using pulsed ultrasound to frequently treat my most painful joints would mechanically disrupt the biofilms and make treatment more effective? Anyone have any experience in this, or thoughts. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Supplements like Wobenzym have helped me clear toxins and reduce inflammation really well but it was also Lumbrokinase that was best at busting biofilms. It brought the bugs in my brain out in droves. Felt like I was going mad. Dr. K also uses a supplement thats supposed to be even better than Lumbrokinase called Interfase. I will be starting it soon. > > > > > I have a question about what others are doing or have done to disrupt biofilms. Did these things seem to work for you? > > > > Does anyone know of any real research into this area? > > > > Personally I have been taking a high dose of the herb bromelain. I believe it has been helping me. It is proteolytic and I am hoping it will render the pathogens more visible to my immune system and also make them more acceptable to antibiotics. Bromelain is also anti-inflammatory and I do feel quite a bit better when I take it. It's effect on the biofilms is hard for one person to judge subjectively, but I do believe it is helping. > > > > I am also wondering if using pulsed ultrasound to frequently treat my most painful joints would mechanically disrupt the biofilms and make treatment more effective? Anyone have any experience in this, or thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I am currently taking the following for lyme biofilm: xylitol 1tsp. am and pm (no food), heparin, boluke (4 a day, very expensive and does anyone know a more reasonable way to purchase), biotonic 3 a day, and neem. I also use biotene pbf mouthwash 2x a day. > > I have a question about what others are doing or have done to disrupt biofilms. Did these things seem to work for you? > > Does anyone know of any real research into this area? > > Personally I have been taking a high dose of the herb bromelain. I believe it has been helping me. It is proteolytic and I am hoping it will render the pathogens more visible to my immune system and also make them more acceptable to antibiotics. Bromelain is also anti-inflammatory and I do feel quite a bit better when I take it. It's effect on the biofilms is hard for one person to judge subjectively, but I do believe it is helping. > > I am also wondering if using pulsed ultrasound to frequently treat my most painful joints would mechanically disrupt the biofilms and make treatment more effective? Anyone have any experience in this, or thoughts. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I want to give an early update on using the pulsed ultrasound. I'm not sure i am even up to typing so bear with me. I started using it on myself on close to the most intense setting for ten minutes at a time on several different chronic and still painful areas. When i got to my neck small amounts of some kind of slightly grainy, sour tasting liquid came out of my glands and into my mouth and throat. it made me cough but I kept it up daily for three or four days. I woke up yesterday am with less foot pain than i have had in ages. But by afternoon I was running a fever and chilled. By evening i was alternating horrible chills with violent vomiting. The vomiting turned to dry heaves pretty quickly and then continued about every half hour all night, I kept some water down about a half an hour ago but I don't think it has ended. After I vomited I would get cold sweats and then be able to sleep for about fifteen minutes until the generalized pain, chills, shaking, agitation, and vomiting would start over again. This is the most intense herxheimer i have ever experienced, at least in terms of the vomiting. joints that I thought were mostly improved, like my shoulder, have become inflamed and very painful. bad night, and i am starting to develop diarrhea too. ________________________________ From: den <yogagirld@...> Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 8:09:18 PM Subject: Re: [ ] biofilm disruption?  I am currently taking the following for lyme biofilm: xylitol 1tsp. am and pm (no food), heparin, boluke (4 a day, very expensive and does anyone know a more reasonable way to purchase), biotonic 3 a day, and neem. I also use biotene pbf mouthwash 2x a day. > > I have a question about what others are doing or have done to disrupt biofilms. Did these things seem to work for you? > > Does anyone know of any real research into this area? > > Personally I have been taking a high dose of the herb bromelain. I believe it has been helping me. It is proteolytic and I am hoping it will render the pathogens more visible to my immune system and also make them more acceptable to antibiotics. Bromelain is also anti-inflammatory and I do feel quite a bit better when I take it. It's effect on the biofilms is hard for one person to judge subjectively, but I do believe it is helping. > > I am also wondering if using pulsed ultrasound to frequently treat my most painful joints would mechanically disrupt the biofilms and make treatment more effective? Anyone have any experience in this, or thoughts. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Thane, I take Interfase and it works. I've herxed on it. Janet --------------------------------------- " Don't ask what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive, and go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive. " ~ Thurman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Sara; I have had very similar " movies " playing out in my brain; I know I am not dreaming, still awake and can hear things around me but flashes,images which I thought were " memories " but of people I have never met, memories of things I have never done and places I have never been.......and the brightest colors I have ever seen, tunnels, too....WEIRD, huh? I figured it was the CNS Lyme; you know, spirochetes playing around in my brain, making me go mad. I am not on any of the meds that you are on...interesting. and if somebody doesn't mind explaining to me-I have no idea what biofilm disruption is and what lumbrokinase is. thanks, robin > >> > >>> > >>> I have a question about what others are doing or have done to disrupt biofilms. Did these things seem to work for you? > >>> > >>> Does anyone know of any real research into this area? > >>> > >>> Personally I have been taking a high dose of the herb bromelain. I believe it has been helping me. It is proteolytic and I am hoping it will render the pathogens more visible to my immune system and also make them more acceptable to antibiotics. Bromelain is also anti-inflammatory and I do feel quite a bit better when I take it. It's effect on the biofilms is hard for one person to judge subjectively, but I do believe it is helping. > >>> > >>> I am also wondering if using pulsed ultrasound to frequently treat my most painful joints would mechanically disrupt the biofilms and make treatment more effective? Anyone have any experience in this, or thoughts. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Den, iherb doesn't have the Boluoke brand, but other lumbrokinase products are available. Boluoke has 20mg lumbrokinase. Be sure to check the others for their potency: http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=Lumbrokinase Heidi If you're new to iherb save $5 with code COT477 > boluoke (4 a day, very expensive and does anyone know a more reasonable way to purchase) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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