Re: Re: biofilm disruption?

[Guest guest]

Hmm. This may explain something I've been struggling with lately.

I haven't had a decent night's sleep in seven weeks. I take my night meds --

including Biaxin, which I started taking right about the time the sleeplessness

started; and Cefdinir plus two Lumbrokinase, which I'd been taking since October

-- and then proceed to lie awake for the next six hours. For the first two or

three hours, I've got the weirdest movies going on in my forebrain, complete

with a light show and quick-cut images as my body struggles to calm down and

dream. It's very much like taking LSD (no, I am not discussing how I know this).

I can't even make it into REM sleep.

This craziness finally calms down between 4 and 5 am, and I can finally go to

sleep. My husband's been great about letting me snooze until 10 am, because

otherwise I couldn't function at all. And this is EVERY night.

Based on the timing, I was pretty sure that it was the Biaxin, which is a

perfectly horrible drug for me anyway. (I manage by taking half-doses.) It

didn't really seem like any herx I've ever had. I took myself off the Biaxin two

nights ago, desperate for sleep and hoping it would help. It has -- but only

some so far. (I got to sleep before 2 am last night. Yay!)

Now you've got me wondering if there's actually some magic reaction happening

between the Biaxin and the lumbrokinase that's making my frontal lobes freak out

this way. If this really is a fierce, new-type brain herx, I need to find a way

to manage it, rather than giving up on the combo altogether.

Hmm. How to know?

Sara

On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:39 55AM, Thane wrote:

> Supplements like Wobenzym have helped me clear toxins and reduce inflammation

really well but it was also Lumbrokinase that was best at busting biofilms. It

brought the bugs in my brain out in droves. Felt like I was going mad.

>

> Dr. K also uses a supplement thats supposed to be even better than

Lumbrokinase called Interfase. I will be starting it soon.

>

>

>>

>>>

>>> I have a question about what others are doing or have done to disrupt

biofilms. Did these things seem to work for you?

>>>

>>> Does anyone know of any real research into this area?

>>>

>>> Personally I have been taking a high dose of the herb bromelain. I believe

it has been helping me. It is proteolytic and I am hoping it will render the

pathogens more visible to my immune system and also make them more acceptable to

antibiotics. Bromelain is also anti-inflammatory and I do feel quite a bit

better when I take it. It's effect on the biofilms is hard for one person to

judge subjectively, but I do believe it is helping.

>>>

>>> I am also wondering if using pulsed ultrasound to frequently treat my most

painful joints would mechanically disrupt the biofilms and make treatment more

effective? Anyone have any experience in this, or thoughts.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

I am on iv antibiotics and probiotics and not being treated to break down the

biofilms.  Does anyone know how much lumbrokinase to take and is it standard

to take it with the antibiotics?

From what I understand it is very important to break through the biofilm barrier

otherwise they will just keep coming back.

 Ann

________________________________

From: Sara <srobinson@...>

Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 10:03:50 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: biofilm disruption?

Hmm.  This may explain something I've been struggling with lately.

I haven't had a decent night's sleep in seven weeks. I take my night meds --

including Biaxin, which I started taking right about the time the sleeplessness

started; and Cefdinir plus two Lumbrokinase, which I'd been taking since October

-- and then proceed to lie awake for the next six hours. For the first two or

three hours, I've got the weirdest movies going on in my forebrain, complete

with a light show and quick-cut images as my body struggles to calm down and

dream. It's very much like taking LSD (no, I am not discussing how I know this).

I can't even make it into REM sleep.

This craziness finally calms down between 4 and 5 am, and I can finally go to

sleep. My husband's been great about letting me snooze until 10 am, because

otherwise I couldn't function at all. And this is EVERY night.

Based on the timing, I was pretty sure that it was the Biaxin, which is a

perfectly horrible drug for me anyway. (I manage by taking half-doses.) It

didn't really seem like any herx I've ever had. I took myself off the Biaxin two

nights ago, desperate for sleep and hoping it would help. It has -- but only

some so far. (I got to sleep before 2 am last night. Yay!)

Now you've got me wondering if there's actually some magic reaction happening

between the Biaxin and the lumbrokinase that's making my frontal lobes freak out

this way. If this really is a fierce, new-type brain herx, I need to find a way

to manage it, rather than giving up on the combo altogether.

Hmm. How to know?

Sara

On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:39 55AM, Thane wrote:

> Supplements like Wobenzym have helped me clear toxins and reduce inflammation

really well but it was also Lumbrokinase that was best at busting biofilms.  It

brought the bugs in my brain out in droves.  Felt like I was going mad.

>

> Dr. K also uses a supplement thats supposed to be even better than

Lumbrokinase called Interfase.  I will be starting it soon.

>

>

>>

>>>

>>> I have a question about what others are doing or have done to disrupt

biofilms. Did these things seem to work for you?

>>>

>>> Does anyone know of any real research into this area?

>>>

>>> Personally I have been taking a high dose of the herb bromelain. I believe

it has been helping me. It is proteolytic and I am hoping it will render the

pathogens more visible to my immune system and also make them more acceptable to

antibiotics. Bromelain is also anti-inflammatory and I do feel quite a bit

better when I take it. It's effect on the biofilms is hard for one person to

judge subjectively, but I do believe it is helping.

>>>

>>> I am also wondering if using pulsed ultrasound to frequently treat my most

painful joints would mechanically disrupt the biofilms and make treatment more

effective? Anyone have any experience in this, or thoughts.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Allergy Research makes only one size pill. I take at least one and often two

alongside my antibiotics, depending on how hard I'm feeling like hitting them

(and myself) that day.

Sara

On Feb 3, 2010, at 10:21 20AM, Ann Sarmiento wrote:

> I am on iv antibiotics and probiotics and not being treated to break down the

biofilms. Does anyone know how much lumbrokinase to take and is it standard to

take it with the antibiotics?

>

> From what I understand it is very important to break through the biofilm

barrier otherwise they will just keep coming back.

> Ann

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Sara <srobinson@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 10:03:50 AM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: biofilm disruption?

>

> Hmm. This may explain something I've been struggling with lately.

>

> I haven't had a decent night's sleep in seven weeks. I take my night meds --

including Biaxin, which I started taking right about the time the sleeplessness

started; and Cefdinir plus two Lumbrokinase, which I'd been taking since October

-- and then proceed to lie awake for the next six hours. For the first two or

three hours, I've got the weirdest movies going on in my forebrain, complete

with a light show and quick-cut images as my body struggles to calm down and

dream. It's very much like taking LSD (no, I am not discussing how I know this).

I can't even make it into REM sleep.

>

> This craziness finally calms down between 4 and 5 am, and I can finally go to

sleep. My husband's been great about letting me snooze until 10 am, because

otherwise I couldn't function at all. And this is EVERY night.

>

> Based on the timing, I was pretty sure that it was the Biaxin, which is a

perfectly horrible drug for me anyway. (I manage by taking half-doses.) It

didn't really seem like any herx I've ever had. I took myself off the Biaxin two

nights ago, desperate for sleep and hoping it would help. It has -- but only

some so far. (I got to sleep before 2 am last night. Yay!)

>

> Now you've got me wondering if there's actually some magic reaction happening

between the Biaxin and the lumbrokinase that's making my frontal lobes freak out

this way. If this really is a fierce, new-type brain herx, I need to find a way

to manage it, rather than giving up on the combo altogether.

>

> Hmm. How to know?

>

> Sara

>

>

> On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:39 55AM, Thane wrote:

>

>> Supplements like Wobenzym have helped me clear toxins and reduce inflammation

really well but it was also Lumbrokinase that was best at busting biofilms. It

brought the bugs in my brain out in droves. Felt like I was going mad.

>>

>> Dr. K also uses a supplement thats supposed to be even better than

Lumbrokinase called Interfase. I will be starting it soon.

>>

>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> I have a question about what others are doing or have done to disrupt

biofilms. Did these things seem to work for you?

>>>>

>>>> Does anyone know of any real research into this area?

>>>>

>>>> Personally I have been taking a high dose of the herb bromelain. I believe

it has been helping me. It is proteolytic and I am hoping it will render the

pathogens more visible to my immune system and also make them more acceptable to

antibiotics. Bromelain is also anti-inflammatory and I do feel quite a bit

better when I take it. It's effect on the biofilms is hard for one person to

judge subjectively, but I do believe it is helping.

>>>>

>>>> I am also wondering if using pulsed ultrasound to frequently treat my most

painful joints would mechanically disrupt the biofilms and make treatment more

effective? Anyone have any experience in this, or thoughts.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

Thank you....i will try it.  I am sooo ready to kill all those little bugs and

move on with my life (like everyone else here).  haha

 Ann

________________________________

From: Sara <srobinson@...>

Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 6:09:40 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: biofilm disruption?

Allergy Research makes only one size pill. I take at least one and often two

alongside my antibiotics, depending on how hard I'm feeling like hitting them

(and myself) that day.

Sara

On Feb 3, 2010, at 10:21 20AM, Ann Sarmiento wrote:

> I am on iv antibiotics and probiotics and not being treated to break down the

biofilms.  Does anyone know how much lumbrokinase to take and is it standard to

take it with the antibiotics?

>

> From what I understand it is very important to break through the biofilm

barrier otherwise they will just keep coming back.

>  Ann

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Sara <srobinson@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 10:03:50 AM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: biofilm disruption?

>

> Hmm.  This may explain something I've been struggling with lately.

>

> I haven't had a decent night's sleep in seven weeks. I take my night meds --

including Biaxin, which I started taking right about the time the sleeplessness

started; and Cefdinir plus two Lumbrokinase, which I'd been taking since October

-- and then proceed to lie awake for the next six hours. For the first two or

three hours, I've got the weirdest movies going on in my forebrain, complete

with a light show and quick-cut images as my body struggles to calm down and

dream. It's very much like taking LSD (no, I am not discussing how I know this).

I can't even make it into REM sleep.

>

> This craziness finally calms down between 4 and 5 am, and I can finally go to

sleep. My husband's been great about letting me snooze until 10 am, because

otherwise I couldn't function at all. And this is EVERY night.

>

> Based on the timing, I was pretty sure that it was the Biaxin, which is a

perfectly horrible drug for me anyway. (I manage by taking half-doses.) It

didn't really seem like any herx I've ever had. I took myself off the Biaxin two

nights ago, desperate for sleep and hoping it would help. It has -- but only

some so far. (I got to sleep before 2 am last night. Yay!)

>

> Now you've got me wondering if there's actually some magic reaction happening

between the Biaxin and the lumbrokinase that's making my frontal lobes freak out

this way. If this really is a fierce, new-type brain herx, I need to find a way

to manage it, rather than giving up on the combo altogether.

>

> Hmm. How to know?

>

> Sara

>

>

> On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:39 55AM, Thane wrote:

>

>> Supplements like Wobenzym have helped me clear toxins and reduce inflammation

really well but it was also Lumbrokinase that was best at busting biofilms.  It

brought the bugs in my brain out in droves.  Felt like I was going mad.

>>

>> Dr. K also uses a supplement thats supposed to be even better than

Lumbrokinase called Interfase.  I will be starting it soon.

>>

>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> I have a question about what others are doing or have done to disrupt

biofilms. Did these things seem to work for you?

>>>>

>>>> Does anyone know of any real research into this area?

>>>>

>>>> Personally I have been taking a high dose of the herb bromelain. I believe

it has been helping me. It is proteolytic and I am hoping it will render the

pathogens more visible to my immune system and also make them more acceptable to

antibiotics. Bromelain is also anti-inflammatory and I do feel quite a bit

better when I take it. It's effect on the biofilms is hard for one person to

judge subjectively, but I do believe it is helping.

>>>>

>>>> I am also wondering if using pulsed ultrasound to frequently treat my most

painful joints would mechanically disrupt the biofilms and make treatment more

effective? Anyone have any experience in this, or thoughts.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

I have to take some of my antibiotics with food. Can lumbrokinase be taken with

food? I noticed most of the enzymes need to be taken on an empty stomach.

Kim

Re: [ ] Re: biofilm disruption?

>

> Hmm. This may explain something I've been struggling with lately.

>

> I haven't had a decent night's sleep in seven weeks. I take my night meds --

including Biaxin, which I started taking right about the time the sleeplessness

started; and Cefdinir plus two Lumbrokinase, which I'd been taking since October

-- and then proceed to lie awake for the next six hours. For the first two or

three hours, I've got the weirdest movies going on in my forebrain, complete

with a light show and quick-cut images as my body struggles to calm down and

dream. It's very much like taking LSD (no, I am not discussing how I know this).

I can't even make it into REM sleep.

>

> This craziness finally calms down between 4 and 5 am, and I can finally go to

sleep. My husband's been great about letting me snooze until 10 am, because

otherwise I couldn't function at all. And this is EVERY night.

>

> Based on the timing, I was pretty sure that it was the Biaxin, which is a

perfectly horrible drug for me anyway. (I manage by taking half-doses.) It

didn't really seem like any herx I've ever had. I took myself off the Biaxin two

nights ago, desperate for sleep and hoping it would help. It has -- but only

some so far. (I got to sleep before 2 am last night. Yay!)

>

> Now you've got me wondering if there's actually some magic reaction happening

between the Biaxin and the lumbrokinase that's making my frontal lobes freak out

this way. If this really is a fierce, new-type brain herx, I need to find a way

to manage it, rather than giving up on the combo altogether.

>

> Hmm. How to know?

>

> Sara

>

>

> On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:39 55AM, Thane wrote:

>

>> Supplements like Wobenzym have helped me clear toxins and reduce inflammation

really well but it was also Lumbrokinase that was best at busting biofilms. It

brought the bugs in my brain out in droves. Felt like I was going mad.

>>

>> Dr. K also uses a supplement thats supposed to be even better than

Lumbrokinase called Interfase. I will be starting it soon.

>>

>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> I have a question about what others are doing or have done to disrupt

biofilms. Did these things seem to work for you?

>>>>

>>>> Does anyone know of any real research into this area?

>>>>

>>>> Personally I have been taking a high dose of the herb bromelain. I believe

it has been helping me. It is proteolytic and I am hoping it will render the

pathogens more visible to my immune system and also make them more acceptable to

antibiotics. Bromelain is also anti-inflammatory and I do feel quite a bit

better when I take it. It's effect on the biofilms is hard for one person to

judge subjectively, but I do believe it is helping.

>>>>

>>>> I am also wondering if using pulsed ultrasound to frequently treat my most

painful joints would mechanically disrupt the biofilms and make treatment more

effective? Anyone have any experience in this, or thoughts.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>