question

[Guest guest]

The drug companies are getting nailed finally in the press so the

psychiatric PR machine is going full blast.

Local letters to the editor expressing disapproval should help.

I noticed it too Jim & so far can't get my head round it.

>

> Anyone notice the huge propoganda explosion coming out of the Guardian

UK?

>

> The articles promote antipsychotics, electroshock, drugs, drugs,

drugs....

>

> There is no way to comment on the articles, they are coming out of the

BMJ.

>

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[Guest guest]

The drug companies are getting nailed finally in the press so the

psychiatric PR machine is going full blast.

Local letters to the editor expressing disapproval should help.

I noticed it too Jim & so far can't get my head round it.

>

> Anyone notice the huge propoganda explosion coming out of the Guardian

UK?

>

> The articles promote antipsychotics, electroshock, drugs, drugs,

drugs....

>

> There is no way to comment on the articles, they are coming out of the

BMJ.

>

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[Guest guest]

The drug companies are getting nailed finally in the press so the

psychiatric PR machine is going full blast.

Local letters to the editor expressing disapproval should help.

I noticed it too Jim & so far can't get my head round it.

>

> Anyone notice the huge propoganda explosion coming out of the Guardian

UK?

>

> The articles promote antipsychotics, electroshock, drugs, drugs,

drugs....

>

> There is no way to comment on the articles, they are coming out of the

BMJ.

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

The drug companies are getting nailed finally in the press so the

psychiatric PR machine is going full blast.

Local letters to the editor expressing disapproval should help.

I noticed it too Jim & so far can't get my head round it.

>

> Anyone notice the huge propoganda explosion coming out of the Guardian

UK?

>

> The articles promote antipsychotics, electroshock, drugs, drugs,

drugs....

>

> There is no way to comment on the articles, they are coming out of the

BMJ.

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I get it also, I wonder if anyone else get this crunching sound, it gets pretty

bad and the popping and cracking too.

Anyone have any ideas?

 

Bama,

 

The dog has seldom been successful in pulling man up to its level of sagacity,

but man has frequently dragged the dog down to his. Thurber

                                                                            

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From: citi_sue <no_reply >

spinal problems

Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:09:26 AM

Subject: Re: Question

,

I have that same crunching sound in my neck.. drives me crazy. some

times it is so loud too. I wonder if it is arthritis? I don't know

either.

Sue

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> From: Jan G <jangil@...>

> Subject: Question

> spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

> Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:21 AM

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> I have to have a series of bone x-rays done yearly to see if I have

> developed Multiple Myeloma, this year they noted that I have 4

disks in my

> neck that are trying to slipping on top of each other. Kind of like

> settling. The oncologist who got the report wondered how I was

still able

> to move my head as much as I could. Symptoms I have are a crunching

feeling

> when I move my neck and from time to time what feels like an

electrical

> shock go into my head from my neck.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Jan (Fargo)

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[Guest guest]

Hi !

Welcome to our group! I'm glad to hear that you've been reading and

making your way around the board. Knowledge and understanding of how

this program will be very helpful in healing your candida overgrowth

once and for all.

I'll try to answer your questions:

1) I have heard about the dangers of ketosis when you don't eat carbs

.. . . any comments on this?

What you've probably heard is ketoacidosis which is a condition that

people with people with diabetes can get. Ketosis is the state when

the body is running on fats as opposed to glucose. The body actually

prefers to run on ketones, so it's not an issue.

Here is what wikipedia says about ketoacidosis, but remember that is

different from ketosis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketoacidosis

In any event, carbs are classified as foods that are not protein or

fat and on Bee's diet, we eat plenty of carbs, just not the really

sugary/starchy ones.

2) I am still scared of eating all the fats and meat . . . are

people's cholesterol levels going down?

There is no need to worry about eating fats. Your cholesterol might

go up, but that is to be expected. Did you know that high cholesterol

is not dangerous? Dr. Uffe Ravnskov writes about it in his book:

http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm

(specifically look at #9, The Benefits of Cholesterol)

My husband has been going over some scientific research and has found

that the medical community recognizes that laurates (in coconut oil)

do not cause heart disease and that they increase cholesterol.

It is also well documented that as the body detoxifies, it produces

more cholesterol as needed.

As for the meat... Remember that this is not a high protein diet.

You need only eat a moderate amount of meat, fish and eggs.

Hope that helps to ease your mind.

>

> Hi Bee and Group,

>

> My name is , I am almost 60 and have been working on candida on

> and off for about 10 years. <snip>

>

>

> A few questions: 1. I have heard about the dangers of ketosis when

you don't eat carbs . . . any comments on this? 2. I am still scared

of eating all the fats and meat . . . are people's cholesterol levels

going down?

>

> Thank you for your time and I am happy to be learning so much!

>

> Warmly,

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee and Group,

>

> My name is , I am almost 60 and have been working on candida on

and off for about 10 years.

<snip>

> A few questions: 1. I have heard about the dangers of ketosis when

you don't eat carbs . . . any comments on this?

+++Hi . Welcome to our group. helped you a lot, but

here's a good article that explains ketosis:

http://www.biblelife.org/ketosis.htm

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

I too get very cold; my muscles contract so much that the blood flow

is reduced. Muscle relaxers are more important to me than pain

medication. I can have serious problems if I do not watch my

extremities - partly because I can not feel them well; I get blood

blisters just under the top layer of skin.

if I deal with these properly they are not a problem but can develop

into ulcers if untreated. Doctors find this curious but suspect it is

short circuited nerves contracting the muscles. I sleep under

blankets when others install air conditioners. I love summer. Vince

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Dawn Cail <dawngc@...> wrote:

> I haven't seen anything show up on this board about this and I'm wondering

> if it is connected to my 5 back surgeries and fusion of L3-L5. I am

> constantly sleepy and cold. If I lay down because my back hurts, I will

> fall asleep within 15 minutes and sleep for several hours -- even the phone

> doesn't wake me up. Some nights I go to bed at 9:30 pm and my husband wakes

> me up at 12:45 pm when he comes home for lunch.

>

> I also stay cold all the time. If I do something that uses my back

> (shopping, walking a long distance, etc.) I will become so cold that I crawl

> in bed with the electric blanket on high for a couple hours. Sometimes I

> don't even have to have done anything -- I'm just plain cold!

>

> Could these symptoms be related to my back failure or would it be something

> else? The only pain meds I take are Tramadol 50 mg 3 times a day and

> Neurontin 300 mg at bedtime.

>

> Dawn in Georgia

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's not related to your back pain. It's related to kidney yang deficiency,

another symptom of which is back and leg weakness and pain.

It can be successfully treated.

Question

>I haven't seen anything show up on this board about this and I'm wondering

> if it is connected to my 5 back surgeries and fusion of L3-L5. I am

> constantly sleepy and cold. If I lay down because my back hurts, I will

> fall asleep within 15 minutes and sleep for several hours -- even the

> phone

> doesn't wake me up. Some nights I go to bed at 9:30 pm and my husband

> wakes

> me up at 12:45 pm when he comes home for lunch.

>

> I also stay cold all the time. If I do something that uses my back

> (shopping, walking a long distance, etc.) I will become so cold that I

> crawl

> in bed with the electric blanket on high for a couple hours. Sometimes I

> don't even have to have done anything -- I'm just plain cold!

>

> Could these symptoms be related to my back failure or would it be

> something

> else? The only pain meds I take are Tramadol 50 mg 3 times a day and

> Neurontin 300 mg at bedtime.

>

> Dawn in Georgia

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> It's not related to your back pain. It's related to kidney yang deficiency,

> another symptom of which is back and leg weakness and pain.

> It can be successfully treated.

>

>

>

>

> Question

>

>

> >I haven't seen anything show up on this board about this and I'm wondering

> > if it is connected to my 5 back surgeries and fusion of L3-L5. I am

> > constantly sleepy and cold. If I lay down because my back hurts, I will

> > fall asleep within 15 minutes and sleep for several hours -- even the

> > phone

> > doesn't wake me up. Some nights I go to bed at 9:30 pm and my husband

> > wakes

> > me up at 12:45 pm when he comes home for lunch.

> >

> > I also stay cold all the time. If I do something that uses my back

> > (shopping, walking a long distance, etc.) I will become so cold that I

> > crawl

> > in bed with the electric blanket on high for a couple hours. Sometimes I

> > don't even have to have done anything -- I'm just plain cold!

> >

> > Could these symptoms be related to my back failure or would it be

> > something

> > else? The only pain meds I take are Tramadol 50 mg 3 times a day and

> > Neurontin 300 mg at bedtime.

> >

> > Dawn in Georgia

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>>I have the coldness and sleepiness, my surgery was a massive one I lost

>>alot of blood and have to take iron tablets or I sleep all the time. My

>>doctor thinks I'm cold alot of the time because my mobility is bad now so

>>I can't hardly do anything. so as a result he thinks my circulation is not

>>good and he says that could be why I'm so cold, low iron and poor

>>circulation.

> I don't know if this is why your having these symptoms, I can only give

> you the suggestions my doctor told me.

> take care ......... chris

MT: You could try taking some ginger or cayenne. Both are warming and

cayenne will definitely enhance your blood and blood flow. To build blood,

you can try juicing. Raw vegetable and fruit juice. Put just a SMALL SMALL

SMALL piece of raw ginger root in there. It's pungent quality is very

strong.

Too much raw juice can cause loose bowels, so be careful with that. You can

use it as a bowel cleanse if you want. Might wanna wait until your mobility

increases for that, though.

There are some excellent acupuncture points to increase internal warmness,

including one on the spine called Du 4. This increases " life gate fire. "

There are also some great herbs.

Garlic is also pungent and warming, plus it has a function of killing most

germs, whether bacteria, virus or fungi. Coconut has the same properties,

only it's merely warming instead of " hot. "

[Guest guest]

I also live in Georgia and stay cold all the time. My fingers turn a ghostly

white if I stay outside any length of time at all. After my Lamenectomy I

developed Raynaud's Disease. I don't know if the damage to my spinal cord nerves

did it or it just happened to show up at that time.

>

> It's not related to your back pain. It's related to kidney yang deficiency,

> another symptom of which is back and leg weakness and pain.

> It can be successfully treated.

>

>

>

>

> Question

>

>

> >I haven't seen anything show up on this board about this and I'm wondering

> > if it is connected to my 5 back surgeries and fusion of L3-L5. I am

> > constantly sleepy and cold. If I lay down because my back hurts, I will

> > fall asleep within 15 minutes and sleep for several hours -- even the

> > phone

> > doesn't wake me up. Some nights I go to bed at 9:30 pm and my husband

> > wakes

> > me up at 12:45 pm when he comes home for lunch.

> >

> > I also stay cold all the time. If I do something that uses my back

> > (shopping, walking a long distance, etc.) I will become so cold that I

> > crawl

> > in bed with the electric blanket on high for a couple hours. Sometimes I

> > don't even have to have done anything -- I'm just plain cold!

> >

> > Could these symptoms be related to my back failure or would it be

> > something

> > else? The only pain meds I take are Tramadol 50 mg 3 times a day and

> > Neurontin 300 mg at bedtime.

> >

> > Dawn in Georgia

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Initially I was diagnosed with Raynaud's Disease by several experts;

my left side, hand and foot and their digits, became cold-white. I

accepted this but one expert did not accept it without Ankle Brachial

Index test (ABI) which showed it was not the case - we later learned

that it depended on the day; some days would have indicated a positive

and other days showed that to be a false positive result.

My log for that test follows:

-------------------------------------

05-28-03 ankle brachial index - AOK

Ankle Brachial Index (ABI) seemed normal, and showed no hint of

vascular disease. The test accurately measures blood pressure with

Doppler technology in three places on each side.

Measured at the arm the numbers were both about 128. At the ankles,

my measured index was about 1.2 and it needs to be at least 1.0. At

the big toes, my index number was about .8 and it needs to be at least

..75.

Additionally, tri-phase rhythmus are found everywhere. Disease causes

bi-phased or eventually mono-phased rhythms.

-------------------------------------

From there I (we) had to fight for an NMRI - that took a very long

year as I remember it.

Vince

On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 7:41 AM, ellijaygal <ellijaygal@...> wrote:

> I also live in Georgia and stay cold all the time. My fingers turn a ghostly

> white if I stay outside any length of time at all. After my Lamenectomy I

> developed Raynaud's Disease. I don't know if the damage to my spinal cord

> nerves did it or it just happened to show up at that time.

>

>

>>

>> It's not related to your back pain. It's related to kidney yang

>> deficiency,

>> another symptom of which is back and leg weakness and pain.

>> It can be successfully treated.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Question

>>

>>

>> >I haven't seen anything show up on this board about this and I'm

>> > wondering

>> > if it is connected to my 5 back surgeries and fusion of L3-L5. I am

>> > constantly sleepy and cold. If I lay down because my back hurts, I will

>> > fall asleep within 15 minutes and sleep for several hours -- even the

>> > phone

>> > doesn't wake me up. Some nights I go to bed at 9:30 pm and my husband

>> > wakes

>> > me up at 12:45 pm when he comes home for lunch.

>> >

>> > I also stay cold all the time. If I do something that uses my back

>> > (shopping, walking a long distance, etc.) I will become so cold that I

>> > crawl

>> > in bed with the electric blanket on high for a couple hours. Sometimes I

>> > don't even have to have done anything -- I'm just plain cold!

>> >

>> > Could these symptoms be related to my back failure or would it be

>> > something

>> > else? The only pain meds I take are Tramadol 50 mg 3 times a day and

>> > Neurontin 300 mg at bedtime.

>> >

>> > Dawn in Georgia

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > ------------------------------------

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Raynaud's Disease is quite treatable by TCM.

There are some great herbs to promote blood flow in the extremeties as well.

You might try some cayenne.

Question

>>

>>

>> >I haven't seen anything show up on this board about this and I'm

>> >wondering

>> > if it is connected to my 5 back surgeries and fusion of L3-L5. I am

>> > constantly sleepy and cold. If I lay down because my back hurts, I

>> > will

>> > fall asleep within 15 minutes and sleep for several hours -- even the

>> > phone

>> > doesn't wake me up. Some nights I go to bed at 9:30 pm and my husband

>> > wakes

>> > me up at 12:45 pm when he comes home for lunch.

>> >

>> > I also stay cold all the time. If I do something that uses my back

>> > (shopping, walking a long distance, etc.) I will become so cold that I

>> > crawl

>> > in bed with the electric blanket on high for a couple hours. Sometimes

>> > I

>> > don't even have to have done anything -- I'm just plain cold!

>> >

>> > Could these symptoms be related to my back failure or would it be

>> > something

>> > else? The only pain meds I take are Tramadol 50 mg 3 times a day and

>> > Neurontin 300 mg at bedtime.

>> >

>> > Dawn in Georgia

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > ------------------------------------

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

I was advised to use cayenne, ginger, cinnamon, and turmeric too, I

believe - even though I ended up not having Raynaud's, I still

had/have the same symptoms - so I added these three into my 'normal'

diet. I believe it has been helpful.

There are many in this group who obviously know much more about the

natural herbs and spices - so this list should be doubled checked with

someone more knowledgeable than me before relying on it - but I was

advised to use all four for some reason, and it is easy to use them to

make my food taste better anyway; So I do!

On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Mercurius Trismegistus

<magisterium_magnum@...> wrote:

> Raynaud's Disease is quite treatable by TCM.

> There are some great herbs to promote blood flow in the extremeties as well.

> You might try some cayenne.

>

> Question

>>>

>>>

>>> >I haven't seen anything show up on this board about this and I'm

>>> >wondering

>>> > if it is connected to my 5 back surgeries and fusion of L3-L5. I am

>>> > constantly sleepy and cold. If I lay down because my back hurts, I

>>> > will

>>> > fall asleep within 15 minutes and sleep for several hours -- even the

>>> > phone

>>> > doesn't wake me up. Some nights I go to bed at 9:30 pm and my husband

>>> > wakes

>>> > me up at 12:45 pm when he comes home for lunch.

>>> >

>>> > I also stay cold all the time. If I do something that uses my back

>>> > (shopping, walking a long distance, etc.) I will become so cold that I

>>> > crawl

>>> > in bed with the electric blanket on high for a couple hours. Sometimes

>>> > I

>>> > don't even have to have done anything -- I'm just plain cold!

>>> >

>>> > Could these symptoms be related to my back failure or would it be

>>> > something

>>> > else? The only pain meds I take are Tramadol 50 mg 3 times a day and

>>> > Neurontin 300 mg at bedtime.

>>> >

>>> > Dawn in Georgia

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > ------------------------------------

>>> >

>>> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn

It's good to hear someone else is so sleepy after surgery. I had a micro

discectomy & an sleeping a lot too. I forgot to mention it to my dr on

Thursday. I'm not suffering from being cold tho. I'm hot all the time. Know

that's not from the surgery. I only am taking about 375 mg of vicodin a day.

Am trying to cut back on that.

Hugs

Kathy/Kady

L2-L3 There is mild decrease in height & signal intensity of intervertebral

disk w/mild diffuse bulging of the disk annulus.

L-3-L4 Norjal disk & facet joints.

L4-L5 The disk maintains normal height & signal intensity but a small disk

fragment has extruded on the left disk & has migrated superiorly into the left

neural foramen compressing the left l4 nerve root.

L5-S1 Marked decrease in height & signal intensity of the intervertebral disk

w/mild diffuse bulging of the disk annulus & mild fatty replacement of the

adjacent bone marrow. The facet joints are normal.

Then down lower on the paper it says

Impression:

Disk herniation at L4- L5 on the left with a small extruded fragment which has

migrated superiorly into the neural foramen & is compressing the left L4 nerve

root.

spinal problems

From: dawngc@...

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:57:29 -0500

Subject: Question

I haven't seen anything show up on this board about this and I'm wondering

if it is connected to my 5 back surgeries and fusion of L3-L5. I am

constantly sleepy and cold. If I lay down because my back hurts, I will

fall asleep within 15 minutes and sleep for several hours -- even the phone

doesn't wake me up. Some nights I go to bed at 9:30 pm and my husband wakes

me up at 12:45 pm when he comes home for lunch.

I also stay cold all the time. If I do something that uses my back

(shopping, walking a long distance, etc.) I will become so cold that I crawl

in bed with the electric blanket on high for a couple hours. Sometimes I

don't even have to have done anything -- I'm just plain cold!

Could these symptoms be related to my back failure or would it be something

else? The only pain meds I take are Tramadol 50 mg 3 times a day and

Neurontin 300 mg at bedtime.

Dawn in Georgia

[Guest guest]

Tumeric's a great anti inflammatory. So is devil's claw tea.

Question

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> >I haven't seen anything show up on this board about this and I'm

>>>> >wondering

>>>> > if it is connected to my 5 back surgeries and fusion of L3-L5. I am

>>>> > constantly sleepy and cold. If I lay down because my back hurts, I

>>>> > will

>>>> > fall asleep within 15 minutes and sleep for several hours -- even the

>>>> > phone

>>>> > doesn't wake me up. Some nights I go to bed at 9:30 pm and my husband

>>>> > wakes

>>>> > me up at 12:45 pm when he comes home for lunch.

>>>> >

>>>> > I also stay cold all the time. If I do something that uses my back

>>>> > (shopping, walking a long distance, etc.) I will become so cold that

>>>> > I

>>>> > crawl

>>>> > in bed with the electric blanket on high for a couple hours.

>>>> > Sometimes

>>>> > I

>>>> > don't even have to have done anything -- I'm just plain cold!

>>>> >

>>>> > Could these symptoms be related to my back failure or would it be

>>>> > something

>>>> > else? The only pain meds I take are Tramadol 50 mg 3 times a day and

>>>> > Neurontin 300 mg at bedtime.

>>>> >

>>>> > Dawn in Georgia

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> > ------------------------------------

>>>> >

>>>> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

This is probably a very silly question and I don't mean to be nosy. Just making

sure I read your message correctly. Is that one 7.5 mg. vicodin taken three

times daily? If so, please know that I'm sitting here with egg on my face.

That's doing well for being pre-op. I had a friend once that didn't know the

dangers of taking large amounts of acetaminophen containing products so I just

had to write to be sure.

With utmost concern and very best wishes,

Calvin

pinchot13495@...

Question

I haven't seen anything show up on this board about this and I'm wondering

if it is connected to my 5 back surgeries and fusion of L3-L5. I am

constantly sleepy and cold. If I lay down because my back hurts, I will

fall asleep within 15 minutes and sleep for several hours -- even the phone

doesn't wake me up. Some nights I go to bed at 9:30 pm and my husband wakes

me up at 12:45 pm when he comes home for lunch.

I also stay cold all the time. If I do something that uses my back

(shopping, walking a long distance, etc.) I will become so cold that I crawl

in bed with the electric blanket on high for a couple hours. Sometimes I

don't even have to have done anything -- I'm just plain cold!

Could these symptoms be related to my back failure or would it be something

else? The only pain meds I take are Tramadol 50 mg 3 times a day and

Neurontin 300 mg at bedtime.

Dawn in Georgia

[Guest guest]

yes, I'm also hoping that Kathy just made a typo, Calvin - 375 mg of Vicodin

would be a whole lot. I take 6 of the 10/500 mg tabs a day, so I take 60 mg -

375 would be very bad. Maybe she meant 3.75 mg (if they make that?)?

Jenn

ps Calvin, how are you feeling post-op?

[Guest guest]

It's the amount of Tylenol in the Vicodin. Vicodin comes in 5/500 and 5/325. The

500 and 325 being the amount of Tylenol. ---

From: <sessions.jennifer@...>

Subject: Re: Question

spinal problems

Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 10:16 AM

yes, I'm also hoping that Kathy just made a typo, Calvin - 375 mg of Vicodin

would be a whole lot. I take 6 of the 10/500 mg tabs a day, so I take 60 mg -

375 would be very bad. Maybe she meant 3.75 mg (if they make that?)?

Jenn

ps Calvin, how are you feeling post-op?

[Guest guest]

Calvin

I'm taking 1/2 of a 750mg vicodin or 750/7.5mg It's probably 750 acemephin (sp)

& 7.5 vicodin.

Hugs

Kathy/Kady

L2-L3 There is mild decrease in height & signal intensity of intervertebral

disk w/mild diffuse bulging of the disk annulus.

L-3-L4 Norjal disk & facet joints.

L4-L5 The disk maintains normal height & signal intensity but a small disk

fragment has extruded on the left disk & has migrated superiorly into the left

neural foramen compressing the left l4 nerve root.

L5-S1 Marked decrease in height & signal intensity of the intervertebral disk

w/mild diffuse bulging of the disk annulus & mild fatty replacement of the

adjacent bone marrow. The facet joints are normal.

Then down lower on the paper it says

Impression:

Disk herniation at L4- L5 on the left with a small extruded fragment which has

migrated superiorly into the neural foramen & is compressing the left L4 nerve

root.

spinal problems

From: pinchot13495@...

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:50:44 -0700

Subject: Re: Question

Hi Kathy,

This is probably a very silly question and I don't mean to be nosy. Just making

sure I read your message correctly. Is that one 7.5 mg. vicodin taken three

times daily? If so, please know that I'm sitting here with egg on my face.

That's doing well for being pre-op. I had a friend once that didn't know the

dangers of taking large amounts of acetaminophen containing products so I just

had to write to be sure.

With utmost concern and very best wishes,

Calvin

pinchot13495@...

Question

I haven't seen anything show up on this board about this and I'm wondering

if it is connected to my 5 back surgeries and fusion of L3-L5. I am

constantly sleepy and cold. If I lay down because my back hurts, I will

fall asleep within 15 minutes and sleep for several hours -- even the phone

doesn't wake me up. Some nights I go to bed at 9:30 pm and my husband wakes

me up at 12:45 pm when he comes home for lunch.

I also stay cold all the time. If I do something that uses my back

(shopping, walking a long distance, etc.) I will become so cold that I crawl

in bed with the electric blanket on high for a couple hours. Sometimes I

don't even have to have done anything -- I'm just plain cold!

Could these symptoms be related to my back failure or would it be something

else? The only pain meds I take are Tramadol 50 mg 3 times a day and

Neurontin 300 mg at bedtime.

Dawn in Georgia

[Guest guest]

Thanks

Hugs

Kathy/Kady

L2-L3 There is mild decrease in height & signal intensity of intervertebral

disk w/mild diffuse bulging of the disk annulus.

L-3-L4 Norjal disk & facet joints.

L4-L5 The disk maintains normal height & signal intensity but a small disk

fragment has extruded on the left disk & has migrated superiorly into the left

neural foramen compressing the left l4 nerve root.

L5-S1 Marked decrease in height & signal intensity of the intervertebral disk

w/mild diffuse bulging of the disk annulus & mild fatty replacement of the

adjacent bone marrow. The facet joints are normal.

Then down lower on the paper it says

Impression:

Disk herniation at L4- L5 on the left with a small extruded fragment which has

migrated superiorly into the neural foramen & is compressing the left L4 nerve

root.

spinal problems

From: tpowell1977@...

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:33:26 -0700

Subject: Re: Re: Question

It's the amount of Tylenol in the Vicodin. Vicodin comes in 5/500 and 5/325. The

500 and 325 being the amount of Tylenol. ---

From: <sessions.jennifer@...>

Subject: Re: Question

spinal problems

Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 10:16 AM

yes, I'm also hoping that Kathy just made a typo, Calvin - 375 mg of Vicodin

would be a whole lot. I take 6 of the 10/500 mg tabs a day, so I take 60 mg -

375 would be very bad. Maybe she meant 3.75 mg (if they make that?)?

Jenn

ps Calvin, how are you feeling post-op?

[Guest guest]

To avoid the large amount of Tylenol normally found in the Vicodin - I was

switched to Hydrocodone-Ibuprof 7.5Mg/200Mg. Vince

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Kathy Denk <biloxibelle@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks

>

>

> Hugs

> Kathy/Kady

>

> L2-L3 There is mild decrease in height & signal intensity of intervertebral

> disk w/mild diffuse bulging of the disk annulus.

> L-3-L4 Norjal disk & facet joints.

> L4-L5 The disk maintains normal height & signal intensity but a small disk

> fragment has extruded on the left disk & has migrated superiorly into the

> left neural foramen compressing the left l4 nerve root.

> L5-S1 Marked decrease in height & signal intensity of the intervertebral

> disk w/mild diffuse bulging of the disk annulus & mild fatty replacement of

> the adjacent bone marrow. The facet joints are normal.

> Then down lower on the paper it says

> Impression:

> Disk herniation at L4- L5 on the left with a small extruded fragment which

> has migrated superiorly into the neural foramen & is compressing the left L4

> nerve root.

>

> To:

spinal problems <spinal problems%40gro\

ups.com>

> From: tpowell1977@... <tpowell1977%40>

> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:33:26 -0700

> Subject: Re: Re: Question

>

> It's the amount of Tylenol in the Vicodin. Vicodin comes in 5/500 and

> 5/325. The 500 and 325 being the amount of Tylenol. ---

>

>

>

> From: <sessions.jennifer@...<sessions.jennifer%40gmail.com>

> >

> Subject: Re: Question

> To:

spinal problems <spinal problems%40gro\

ups.com>

> Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 10:16 AM

>

> yes, I'm also hoping that Kathy just made a typo, Calvin - 375 mg of

> Vicodin would be a whole lot. I take 6 of the 10/500 mg tabs a day, so I

> take 60 mg - 375 would be very bad. Maybe she meant 3.75 mg (if they make

> that?)?

>

> Jenn

>

> ps Calvin, how are you feeling post-op?

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI Vince

Does that kill the pain better because of the anti inflamatory in it??? I hear

people on here say not to take the anti inflam cause they want the inflamation

to help heal. I can always ask my dr about it cause I've never heard of it

before.

Hugs

Kathy/Kady

L2-L3 There is mild decrease in height & signal intensity of intervertebral

disk w/mild diffuse bulging of the disk annulus.

L-3-L4 Norjal disk & facet joints.

L4-L5 The disk maintains normal height & signal intensity but a small disk

fragment has extruded on the left disk & has migrated superiorly into the left

neural foramen compressing the left l4 nerve root.

L5-S1 Marked decrease in height & signal intensity of the intervertebral disk

w/mild diffuse bulging of the disk annulus & mild fatty replacement of the

adjacent bone marrow. The facet joints are normal.

Then down lower on the paper it says

Impression:

Disk herniation at L4- L5 on the left with a small extruded fragment which has

migrated superiorly into the neural foramen & is compressing the left L4 nerve

root.

spinal problems

From: vincent.cataldi@...

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:44:40 -0600

Subject: Re: Re: Question

To avoid the large amount of Tylenol normally found in the Vicodin - I was

switched to Hydrocodone-Ibuprof 7.5Mg/200Mg. Vince

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Kathy Denk <biloxibelle@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks

>

>

> Hugs

> Kathy/Kady

>

> L2-L3 There is mild decrease in height & signal intensity of intervertebral

> disk w/mild diffuse bulging of the disk annulus.

> L-3-L4 Norjal disk & facet joints.

> L4-L5 The disk maintains normal height & signal intensity but a small disk

> fragment has extruded on the left disk & has migrated superiorly into the

> left neural foramen compressing the left l4 nerve root.

> L5-S1 Marked decrease in height & signal intensity of the intervertebral

> disk w/mild diffuse bulging of the disk annulus & mild fatty replacement of

> the adjacent bone marrow. The facet joints are normal.

> Then down lower on the paper it says

> Impression:

> Disk herniation at L4- L5 on the left with a small extruded fragment which

> has migrated superiorly into the neural foramen & is compressing the left L4

> nerve root.

>

> To:

spinal problems <spinal problems%40gro\

ups.com>

> From: tpowell1977@... <tpowell1977%40>

> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:33:26 -0700

> Subject: Re: Re: Question

>

> It's the amount of Tylenol in the Vicodin. Vicodin comes in 5/500 and

> 5/325. The 500 and 325 being the amount of Tylenol. ---

>

>

>

> From: <sessions.jennifer@...<sessions.jennifer%40gmail.com>

> >

> Subject: Re: Question

> To:

spinal problems <spinal problems%40gro\

ups.com>

> Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 10:16 AM

>

> yes, I'm also hoping that Kathy just made a typo, Calvin - 375 mg of

> Vicodin would be a whole lot. I take 6 of the 10/500 mg tabs a day, so I

> take 60 mg - 375 would be very bad. Maybe she meant 3.75 mg (if they make

> that?)?

>

> Jenn

>

> ps Calvin, how are you feeling post-op?

>

>

[Guest guest]

right

From: Kathy Denk <biloxibelle@...>

Subject: RE: Question

spinal problems

Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 11:39 AM

Calvin

I'm taking 1/2 of a 750mg vicodin or 750/7.5mg It's probably 750 acemephin (sp)

& 7.5 vicodin.

Hugs

Kathy/Kady

L2-L3 There is mild decrease in height & signal intensity of intervertebral disk

w/mild diffuse bulging of the disk annulus.

L-3-L4 Norjal disk & facet joints.

L4-L5 The disk maintains normal height & signal intensity but a small disk

fragment has extruded on the left disk & has migrated superiorly into the left

neural foramen compressing the left l4 nerve root.

L5-S1 Marked decrease in height & signal intensity of the intervertebral disk

w/mild diffuse bulging of the disk annulus & mild fatty replacement of the

adjacent bone marrow. The facet joints are normal.

Then down lower on the paper it says

Impression:

Disk herniation at L4- L5 on the left with a small extruded fragment which has

migrated superiorly into the neural foramen & is compressing the left L4 nerve

root.

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

From: pinchot13495@ clearwire. net

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:50:44 -0700

Subject: Re: Question

Hi Kathy,

This is probably a very silly question and I don't mean to be nosy. Just making

sure I read your message correctly. Is that one 7.5 mg. vicodin taken three

times daily? If so, please know that I'm sitting here with egg on my face.

That's doing well for being pre-op. I had a friend once that didn't know the

dangers of taking large amounts of acetaminophen containing products so I just

had to write to be sure.

With utmost concern and very best wishes,

Calvin

pinchot13495@ clearwire. net

Question

I haven't seen anything show up on this board about this and I'm wondering

if it is connected to my 5 back surgeries and fusion of L3-L5. I am

constantly sleepy and cold. If I lay down because my back hurts, I will

fall asleep within 15 minutes and sleep for several hours -- even the phone

doesn't wake me up. Some nights I go to bed at 9:30 pm and my husband wakes

me up at 12:45 pm when he comes home for lunch.

I also stay cold all the time. If I do something that uses my back

(shopping, walking a long distance, etc.) I will become so cold that I crawl

in bed with the electric blanket on high for a couple hours. Sometimes I

don't even have to have done anything -- I'm just plain cold!

Could these symptoms be related to my back failure or would it be something

else? The only pain meds I take are Tramadol 50 mg 3 times a day and

Neurontin 300 mg at bedtime.

Dawn in Georgia