question

[Guest guest]

Dear Kim

You've probably already shared this - but what bowel cleanse do you use? Is it the same one you use for your son? Also, what age/weight does a child have to be to use the cleanse?

Many thanks

Helen

[Guest guest]

Dear Robin G

I loved what you wrote - especially:

I know that this sounds unbelievable but it is true. These people should be sweeping floors for a living, some should be jailed.

So very true!! Doctors are so puffed up with pride. I love to share what I've learned if it will help somebody. You're right about the liver poisoning chemical, too. Oh my. And...... they're getting worse.

Viva la naturelle!! Bring it on......

Helen

[Guest guest]

Patty, thanks for your reply and the reminder about Dr. Gerson. I will

certainly revisit his information before I embark on this new protocol.

Problem is, there are many protocols out there. Each one involves much time

and expense. I would like to find the best one I can before I invest my

resources of time and energy. Have you had person experience using his

methods or other methods to cleanse the bowel?

Thanks, Kathy

[Guest guest]

Awesome! By the way, I did take a sample of my son's to the doctor. Some

doctors will help you...but the trick is not to tell them what you are doing

right away. Just tell them that you have found what you believe to be worms

in your stool and you would like it checked into. When the doc decides to

treat you tell him you would rather treat it herbally. My doctor was really

good about it. But he doesn't see homeopthy as a threat and knows that if I

feel that what I am doing isn't working I'll be back for a prescription...

Tammy

Re: Question

> Hi,

>

> I used a disposable drinking straw to see if there were any in my son's

> stool. There was. Some also look like white Shredded Wheat. I don't

know

> what kind any of them are. Has anyone ever taken these samples to a

doctor

> to see what kind of parasites they are dealing with? I am tempted but I'm

> afraid they will think that there is something wrong with me...because I'm

> eliminating so many without their meds.

>

> I must say, I haven't felt this good in years! I have never done a

parasite

> cleanse and have been passing many (something's I'm not even sure are

> parasites). I have more energy, eat less and less often, pain in

shoulders

> and neck are almost gone, I'm not constantly thirsty, my heart isn't

> constantly pounding, AND my sinuses, which have been a chronic problem,

are

> almost cleared up! I'm even going to roast a stuffed chicken today just

to

> smell it cooking!

>

> What bothers me the most is for three years I have been going to the

doctor

> for the same problems. I have been put on medication and tested for

> everything. I'm continually told that there is nothing wrong, I have even

> been told it is stress and put on meds! Now to me the symptoms were

> obvious.

>

> I thought I'd share this because for the first few days I was so sick I

> almost stopped taking the parasite cleanse. I thought it was the herbs

but

> it was the pests dying off. Then one morning I woke up and life was

great!

> If anyone is thinking about embarking on this, stick it out you will feel

> fabulous! And it is well worth $20 a bottle.

>

> Now for the liver!

>

> Be well,

> Kim

>

> > > You would have to look for something...like use a pencil and break it

> > apart.

> > > Alot of them are encased in mucous...some of them are very solid and

> kind

> > of

> > > look like you've lost an organ :>)

> > > Eggs are often pretty visible. Some are like potato wedges with

mouths.

> > > Some are fuzzy.

> > > Gross, but if you really want to know...check.

> > > Not everyone has visible parasites, but in my experience more than you

> > would

> > > imagine do, especially if there is a chronic illness involved.

> > > Hope this helps. What are you taking?

> > >

> > > Tammy

>

>

>

>

>

> Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks...gross but I'll try it. We are using paragone right now because it

contained everything. After this is gone I thought I would try a colema

board and do another para cleanse and use just black walnut, wormwood, and

cloves.

Question

>

>

> > I have been doing a para cleanse for about 10 days now and have not

> > noticed any worms at all or any parasites. BM has been loose but not

> > uncomfortable. Shouldn't I be seeing something?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/17/00 8:11:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

dreamcountry@... writes:

<< Has anyone ever taken these samples to a doctor

to see what kind of parasites they are dealing with? I am tempted but I'm

afraid they will think that there is something wrong with me...because I'm

eliminating so many without their meds. >>

If you bring in samples of one of the two hundred or so parasites classified

in medical labs and the lab identifies it, your doctor will not think badly

of you. If you bring in any one of the couple of thousand more that have not

been classified, then your lab and your doctor will probably treat you like

you are crazy and/or mentally retarded. Because that is the way these people

are educated. They are taught that what they learn in school is the gospel

and ONLY truth. So if you have something and they can't identify it, well,

it simply doesn't exist and there's something wrong with you (mentally, I

mean).

My worms (flukes) are oval shaped ranging in size from one-quarter inch to an

inch and a half long, and in color from tan to dark brown, occasionally

reddish or black. They are simple oval when small, when medium size they

often develop a kind of tear drop shape which, the point of which, when they

are larger, often develops into a tail. Some have one long tail, others

develop several short tails. At my worst stage of infestation last year it

was not unusual for both my boyfriend and me to see 50 to one hundred of

these at a time in one b.m.

I have brought speciens (not stool samples, SPECIMENS) to two different labs

including supposedly the best parasite lab in New York AND to supposedly the

best tropical medicine doctor in New York. All came back negative. All

responded, " not a human parasite " . None were curious to know what it was.

It wasn't in their list of things to look for so it simply didn't exist in

their opinion. And they weren't motivated to send it off for further

analysis, since (I suppose) that would mean contacting a research facility

which would get the glory instead of them if a new species were discovered.

So since there was nothing in it for them, they chose to ignore it.

I know that this sounds unbelievable but it is true. These people should be

sweeping floors for a living, some should be jailed.

However, if you have a parasite which has been previously identified AND if

you are tested under optimal conditions so that it shows up on their tests,

they will be happy to prescribe a liver-poisoning chemical for you which will

quite likely have only short-term effects and you will suffer a relapse

within a few weeks. That would be the red-carpet treatment.

Sorry if I sound bitter but I am.

Robin G.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/17/00 8:11:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

dreamcountry@... writes:

<< it is well worth $20 a bottle. >>

Twenty dollars a bottle for what product?

Robin G.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/17/00 8:58:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

dreamcountry@... writes:

<< http://innercleanse.com/Parasitecleanseframes.html

Each bottle is one cleanse. Can you check out the ingredients and tell me

what you think? >>

It sounds good. Most of the ingredients are the standard recommended ones by

Sputnik, Hulda , and others. The polyporous and the semen catechu I

never heard of, they are two new ones on me, That, it seems to me, is a

good thing, because the standard stuff has really not been working one

hundred per cent for me.

There are some other common antiparasitic herbs such as quassia which are not

in the product, but no product has everything.

Being on for one week then off for one week is also not standard. I did see

this course of treatment the one time I took allopathic antihelminths,

though. I think it would mean that the manufacturers expect the effects to

be very strong and cause a virtually complete die-off in the first week, then

they want to get any remaining eggs and stragglers during the second round

after a week of rest. From my own expereince, since my bugs are so

resilient, I am apprehensive about the one week lag. But it no doubt works

for others.

I will no doubt give it a shot one of these days. Right now I'm using the

Sputnik herbal program from Ireland, it seems to be working for me.

Robin G.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I used a disposable drinking straw to see if there were any in my son's

stool. There was. Some also look like white Shredded Wheat. I don't know

what kind any of them are. Has anyone ever taken these samples to a doctor

to see what kind of parasites they are dealing with? I am tempted but I'm

afraid they will think that there is something wrong with me...because I'm

eliminating so many without their meds.

I must say, I haven't felt this good in years! I have never done a parasite

cleanse and have been passing many (something's I'm not even sure are

parasites). I have more energy, eat less and less often, pain in shoulders

and neck are almost gone, I'm not constantly thirsty, my heart isn't

constantly pounding, AND my sinuses, which have been a chronic problem, are

almost cleared up! I'm even going to roast a stuffed chicken today just to

smell it cooking!

What bothers me the most is for three years I have been going to the doctor

for the same problems. I have been put on medication and tested for

everything. I'm continually told that there is nothing wrong, I have even

been told it is stress and put on meds! Now to me the symptoms were

obvious.

I thought I'd share this because for the first few days I was so sick I

almost stopped taking the parasite cleanse. I thought it was the herbs but

it was the pests dying off. Then one morning I woke up and life was great!

If anyone is thinking about embarking on this, stick it out you will feel

fabulous! And it is well worth $20 a bottle.

Now for the liver!

Be well,

Kim

> > You would have to look for something...like use a pencil and break it

> apart.

> > Alot of them are encased in mucous...some of them are very solid and

kind

> of

> > look like you've lost an organ :>)

> > Eggs are often pretty visible. Some are like potato wedges with mouths.

> > Some are fuzzy.

> > Gross, but if you really want to know...check.

> > Not everyone has visible parasites, but in my experience more than you

> would

> > imagine do, especially if there is a chronic illness involved.

> > Hope this helps. What are you taking?

> >

> > Tammy

[Guest guest]

I got it here:

http://innercleanse.com/Parasitecleanseframes.html

Each bottle is one cleanse. Can you check out the ingredients and tell me

what you think?

Thanks!

> << it is well worth $20 a bottle. >>

> Twenty dollars a bottle for what product?

>

> Robin G.

[Guest guest]

Helen,

My son is using the same thing. He is 12 and takes 2/3 the dose. My daughter who is 6 takes 1/3 the dose. They are both getting results. They said that children under 5 shouldn't take it because of their development (being very fast before age 5). This doesn't make sense to me...why develop quickly with parasites??? Seems to me it would hinder something along the way. Maybe someone has a better explanation???

Anyway here is the site again.

http://innercleanse.com/Parasitecleanseframes.html

Be well,

Kim

Dear Kim

You've probably already shared this - but what bowel cleanse do you use? Is it the same one you use for your son? Also, what age/weight does a child have to be to use the cleanse?

Many thanks

Helen

Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

[Guest guest]

Hi Robin,

I was also curious about the one week off but I will let you know what

happens on my second week back on if you'd like. So far everything leaves

dead.

Thanks for you imput!

Kim

> Being on for one week then off for one week is also not standard. I did

see

> this course of treatment the one time I took allopathic antihelminths,

> though. I think it would mean that the manufacturers expect the effects

to

> be very strong and cause a virtually complete die-off in the first week,

then

> they want to get any remaining eggs and stragglers during the second round

> after a week of rest. From my own expereince, since my bugs are so

> resilient, I am apprehensive about the one week lag. But it no doubt

works

> for others.

>

[Guest guest]

> Patty, thanks for your reply and the reminder about Dr. Gerson. I will

> certainly revisit his information before I embark on this new protocol.

> Problem is, there are many protocols out there. Each one involves much

time

> and expense. I would like to find the best one I can before I invest my

> resources of time and energy. Have you had person experience using his

> methods or other methods to cleanse the bowel?

Yes, I have his book, which is a very intruiging read, and have juiced many,

many carrots, apples, and other greens.

I have never had cancer, so I cannot say I have had personal experience with

a cure. However, there is no doubt in my mind that if I ever do get

cancer, I will not be seeing an oncologist or any other kind of cancer

specialist--I will be going to a Gerson Clinic.

I have done the coffee enemas, as well as my husband, and we both feel that

they are highly beneficial in removing toxins and making us feel better in

the long run. Sometimes when I do a coffee enema after a period of not

detoxing, I notice an increase of symptoms related to toxicity. Which only

tells me that the coffee enema is doing some moving of stuff around and I

need to keep doing it more.

I hope this helps you some!

Patty

[Guest guest]

Patty, thanks for the post. Good info.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Amiee

hi the mattress part is its better for them to be on a firm mattress

this also helps you to handle the bed better

melissa had a soft matteress we got her a firmer one

this helped

i perfer the firmer

the needle problem is there nothing really to stop the sensation of the

blood being pulled out some are just very sensitive to this

with melissa she just says you get 1 chance to get the vein

dont go digging for it

let me know if it helps

what helped melissa even at 13 i told her if she put up a fuss i would walk

out of the room and she would still get the blood taken

but i would stay next to her and watch if she did good

so far this has helped

Robbin

[Guest guest]

Aimee,

I don't know if there is a waterbed mattress that fits a regular frame or

not, but I can say that Kelsey (age 3) has a waterbed and it really does help

morning stiffness. Although for the past few weeks she's been sleeping with

me more than in her own room (my husband works nights). She fell out of her

bed one night, didn't get hurt, but scared her, and ever since she won't even

sit on her bed. I think the motion of it scares her now. She sometimes

sleeps in her sister's room on her bottom bunk bed, which is a full size bed,

and my other daughter sleeps on the top. Anyway, that's just an issue we're

in the process of working on now! lol

I can relate to how you feel about the lab work... when Kelsey had hers done

in April it took 3 adults to hold her still, not to mention they had trouble

getting a vein, and afterwards we got all the way in to car and the nurse

came running out... they only got about 1/2 the blood they needed. I was

soooo mad!!!! I had quite a few choice words, but I remained fairly calm and

let them traumatize her all over again. It was awful!!!

Take care,

[Guest guest]

Thinking about how Kelsey suddenly seems afraid of her waterbed... we are

seriously thinking about changing her bed back to a regular bed. Does anyone

know if it would be safe to use an electric blanket? I just don't think I

could feel comfortable using one for a 3 year old. Any thoughts?

[Guest guest]

Hi Aimee,

Sorry, I can't help with your water bed question. We've never had that

type. I can relate to the needle stuff, though. After a long time of

struggle (3 years) I think Josh finally just gave in to that. Since

then, it hasn't been as hard anymore. He doesn't like it but he stopped

fighting it, resigned himself to it. Maybe one day Karl will reach that

point. It definitely doesn't help when after the ordeal's over, they

realize they've forgotten some of the ordered tests!

Josh went down to 10mgs of prednisone almost a week ago. He had been

doing really, really great. It was definitely time. His last SED rate

was the lowest he ever had ~ 22! The first couple of days the reduction

didn't seem to have much after effect. Today, 4 days later, he woke up

feeling really sore ... AGAIN! And though he doesn't have a fever, he

does have the rash. On his chest. Such a bummer. I had in him in the

car, ready to go to school. Dropped Kayla off at her school. Drove to

Josh's. Talked some more and we figured we'd go to the health room.

First time meeting the school nurse at his new school. Told her about

his JRA and his recent decrease in steroids. Asked about their policy

and how it might differ from his elementary school's. They have only one

leather cot at this school, instead of 2. And it's much smaller than the

other school's health room. She made Josh feel comfortable and said he

could rest there or else go home and come back in later if he feels

better. So, I opted to take him home, after putting in a homework

request.

I really wish we didn't have to go through this same familiar routine

again this year. But there's no easy way out of it. I hope Josh (and

Karl!) starts feeling better soon. This morning Josh said his entire

body was sore. After school yesterday he wasn't overly active. And he

got over 9 hours of sleep last night. He's napping on the couch right

now. I'm hoping that he'll adjust to the lowered dose quickly and will

be feeling well soon. Will probably take him to school when he wakes up.

I know, like you said, that laying in bed isn't great ... but kids with

systemic JRA seem to really need their rest when their bodies are having

symptoms like this. Josh was going in slow motion this morning. Sad to

see that again, after a few trouble free months

Oh, well.

Take care,

Georgina

Aimee Moles wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is such a thing as a waterbed matress that

> fits on a regular single bed? Do you have to have a special frame?

>

> i am having a lot of trouble getting karl up in the morning. His

> doctor doesn't want to increase prednisone right now and he is waking

> up very stiff.

>

> I was thinking a waterbed mattress might keep him from getting stuck

> in one position.

>

> I hate making him go to school in the morning but I know that staying

> in bed all day will not make things better.

>

> On the complaint end of things, I took karl in for blood work last

> week. He absolutely hates it and has to be held down by two big guys.

>

> Guess what...they forgot to do his sed rate and we have to go back

> for more!!!! I want to punch somebody really hard for that. I won't

> though, I'll just make sure they get it all next time.

>

> EMLA doesn't help him much at all. He says it doesn't help with the

> feeling he gets when they pull back the plunger.

>

> Aimee (Karl's mom)

[Guest guest]

electric blankets are good But my choice never was to use them

kids have little accidents theres a blanket out now my sister has several

they feel like velvet they are so warm it might be better to invest in one

than a electric blanket but its just my choice not to use one

but i am also in the south and it dont get all that cold everyday

another reason is when my hubby said he would love to have a electric

blanket i said no he is cold natured and i am hot natured

but he wet the bed one night and when i felt it i told him NO WAY are we

getting one NOW lolololol he soaked that bed good to

and i worried the kids would wet the bed lolololol

BUT he said he was dreaming about being out on the lake with his dad

Robbin

[Guest guest]

Aimee,

You can buy a waterbed in most any size but they do require a particular frame to hold and support the matress.

Look in the news classified adds, there are often such items for sale. (just be sure it does not leak if you buy a used one)

[ & Skyler]

Question

Does anyone know if there is such a thing as a waterbed matress that fits on a regular single bed? Do you have to have a special frame? i am having a lot of trouble getting karl up in the morning. His doctor doesn't want to increase prednisone right now and he is waking up very stiff.I was thinking a waterbed mattress might keep him from getting stuck in one position.I hate making him go to school in the morning but I know that staying in bed all day will not make things better.On the complaint end of things, I took karl in for blood work last week. He absolutely hates it and has to be held down by two big guys.Guess what...they forgot to do his sed rate and we have to go back for more!!!! I want to punch somebody really hard for that. I won't though, I'll just make sure they get it all next time.EMLA doesn't help him much at all. He says it doesn't help with the feeling he gets when they pull back the plunger.Aimee (Karl's mom)For links to websites with JRA info visit: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/8414/Links.html

[Guest guest]

Aimee, I have never heard of a waterbed matress that fits on a

single bed. I know we bought a used one through the newspaper ads.

You can usually find a used one pretty cheap, with a heater in it.

I do recommend it, Sleeping on the heated water helps

prevent from getting so stiff.

We also have a jaquzzi, which loves. Whenever

something is hurting her she goes and soaks in it. The water temp. is

100 degrees. When we bought it the doctor gave us a precription for

it so we did not have to pay tax on it. And we bought a used one also

so it didnt cost as much as new.

Hope this helps a little and I hope Karl feels better

soon. B

> Does anyone know if there is such a thing as a waterbed matress

that

> fits on a regular single bed? Do you have to have a special

frame?

>

> i am having a lot of trouble getting karl up in the morning. His

> doctor doesn't want to increase prednisone right now and he is

waking

> up very stiff.

>

> I was thinking a waterbed mattress might keep him from getting

stuck

> in one position.

>

> I hate making him go to school in the morning but I know that

staying

> in bed all day will not make things better.

>

> On the complaint end of things, I took karl in for blood work last

> week. He absolutely hates it and has to be held down by two big

guys.

>

> Guess what...they forgot to do his sed rate and we have to go back

> for more!!!! I want to punch somebody really hard for that. I

won't

> though, I'll just make sure they get it all next time.

>

> EMLA doesn't help him much at all. He says it doesn't help with

the

> feeling he gets when they pull back the plunger.

>

> Aimee (Karl's mom)

[Guest guest]

Robbin,

Thats why I'm not too much on using an electric blanket for Kelsey. I have

one of those velvet like blankets, and it is very warm. I think I may get one

of those to fit a single bed for her. We're gonna keep trying to get her

back in the waterbed, but as of right now she won't even sit on it, much less

sleep in it. We live in Salem VA (Roanoke Valley), right in the foothills of

the blue ridge mountains, so it gets pretty cold here in the winter. That

waterbed will be wonderful for her this winter, so I'm hoping we won't have

to change her beds. Thanks for the advice,

[Guest guest]

I bought Alana a full size waterbed which has made a huge difference for

her. If you can fit it in the room its great. They can't really do

waterbeds with a twin its too narrow.

Bonnie

Regional Director, PHD Products

http://phdproducts.com mailto:bonnie@...

800-863-3403

Re: Question

>

>Aimee, I have never heard of a waterbed matress that fits on a

>single bed. I know we bought a used one through the newspaper ads.

>You can usually find a used one pretty cheap, with a heater in it.

> I do recommend it, Sleeping on the heated water helps

>prevent from getting so stiff.

> We also have a jaquzzi, which loves. Whenever

>something is hurting her she goes and soaks in it. The water temp. is

>100 degrees. When we bought it the doctor gave us a precription for

>it so we did not have to pay tax on it. And we bought a used one also

>so it didnt cost as much as new.

> Hope this helps a little and I hope Karl feels better

>soon. B

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> Does anyone know if there is such a thing as a waterbed matress

>that

>> fits on a regular single bed? Do you have to have a special

>frame?

>>

>> i am having a lot of trouble getting karl up in the morning. His

>> doctor doesn't want to increase prednisone right now and he is

>waking

>> up very stiff.

>>

>> I was thinking a waterbed mattress might keep him from getting

>stuck

>> in one position.

>>

>> I hate making him go to school in the morning but I know that

>staying

>> in bed all day will not make things better.

>>

>> On the complaint end of things, I took karl in for blood work last

>> week. He absolutely hates it and has to be held down by two big

>guys.

>>

>> Guess what...they forgot to do his sed rate and we have to go back

>> for more!!!! I want to punch somebody really hard for that. I

>won't

>> though, I'll just make sure they get it all next time.

>>

>> EMLA doesn't help him much at all. He says it doesn't help with

>the

>> feeling he gets when they pull back the plunger.

>>

>> Aimee (Karl's mom)

>

>

>For links to websites with JRA info visit:

>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/8414/Links.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

how did she fall off the bed?

i know water beds and i knocked my sister slap off hers when i sat on it

lololol she went flying lolol it was funny at the time

hope you luck but go with your heart

thats the best

you might have to sleep with her one night on the bed to reassure her its ok

Robbin

[Guest guest]

Robbin,

She fell out of bed in her sleep, which is why I think she's really scared of

it at night. I pile big pillows on the floor by her bed just in case it were

to happen to help break the fall, and my husband used to make fun of me for

it, lol, but if those pillows wouldn't have been there she could've hurt

herself. One day I caught Ashleigh, my 8 year old, and her friend in

Kelsey's room on the bed trying to bounce each other off! lol For anyone

thinking of getting a waterbed, I would NOT recommend getting the " super

single " size... thats what Kelsey has (we didn't buy it, it belonged to my

sister in law) and its just too narrow. I think thats why her bed is so darn

bouncy! lol