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There are issues with serving food when you have hep c. I don't know the

laws/rules, but what if one got a small nick and a drop of blood fell in

someones food. But like I said...I don't know the rules/laws.

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I was wondering if anyone could tell me if they test for HepC when

you get a health card? I have someone who is trying to cause me

trouble for working with foods. I am extremely careful and never do

anything with knives if I can help it.

I need some info to show this person if they decide to get ugly about

it. It is a volunteer thing and not every day...just occasionally.

And from ya'll...should I be handling food?

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--- tammster62 <t1d1r1d1@...> wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone could tell me if they test for HepC when

> you get a health card? I have someone who is trying to cause me

> trouble for working with foods. I am extremely careful and never do

anything with knives if I can help it.

> I need some info to show this person if they decide to get ugly

> about it. It is a volunteer thing and not every day...just

occasionally. And from ya'll...should I be handling food?

> <><TammieD><>

Everytime I read something like this it makes me so mad! How do you

find something to prove it's safe to handle and work with foods when

there are no studies since HCV is a BLOOD BORNE ILLNESS! It is not

passed in food, there has never been any suspision it could be passed

in food, therefore finding any study which says " HCV cannot be passed

in food " is probably hopeless. My cousin is a chef AND in charge of

the restaurants owned by a large resort hotel chain. He has HCV, has

known he had for much longer than me, and it has NEVER been an issue.

No, HCV is not checked for when you get a health card because HCV

cannot be passed while preparing or serving food. It requires blood

to blood contact. I don't know if this will help but here is an

article on more unusual routes of HCV transmission which have been

identified:

NATAP - www.natap.org

42nd ICAAC

Interscience Conference on Antimicrobial Agents & Chemotherapy

Sept 27-30, 2002

San Diego, CA

all ICAAC reports archived at NATAP website

Hepatitis ICAAC Report 1: Identifying unknown routes for HCV

transmission

Reported by Jules Levin

There were several sessions devoted to HCV/HIV coinfection at this

year's ICAAC. This is a good sign saying that at least ICAAC and I

think the HIV scientific community is beginning to recognize the

importance of addressing HCV in HIV, and is beginning to incorporate

research and education about HCV into the various HIV scientific

conferences and meetings. There were two symposiums and Meet-The

-Experts panel lectures at this ICAAC meeting. As well, there was a

significant poster session and oral slide session devoted to HCV. The

quality of the abstracts and sessions were mixed, and doctors at the

symposium and docs I met at the conference displayed to me an

inadequate and sometimes misinformed knowledge about treating HCV in

HIV. Progress in HCV/HIV is very slow and the Federal government is

slow in recognizing and funding areas of need in HCV and HCV/HIV

coinfection, including prevention, an adequate care infrastructure,

and education for the HIV Community (doctors, patients, service

providers). Following this report will be a series of additional

ICAAC Hepatitis Reports. All ICAAC and other conference reports are

posted to and archived at the NATAP website

(www.natap.org).

G Raguin and a French research group (abstract V-681) reported on

what was widely considered an interesting study: " A National

Multicenter Case-Control Study of Risk Factors for Community-Acquired

Hepatitis C " . Certain risk factors for acquiring HCV have been

identified. Transfusions used to be a major risk until the blood

supply was cleaned by developing testing for blood supply and now

this risk is considered very low. Currently, IVDU and sharing related

drug using paraphenalia such as needles are considered the major risk

for acquiring HCV. However, 20-40% of HCV-infected do not have

recognized risk factor, leading to speculations that other

as-yet-undiscovered modes of transmission may exist. This French

study is a case-control study to investigate the routes of

transmission in patients with no recognized risk factor.

Several potential routes or sources of HCV transmission have been

suggested: previous hospitalization or surgery, hemodialysis and

plasmapheresis, organ transplantation, GI endoscopy, parenteral

treatment (IV) for schistosomiasis, tatooing, piercing, nasal cocaine

use, activities during incarceration. This study sets out to test

these ideas.

HCV-seropositive pts were recruited in 57 French hospitals. Controls

(comparison group) were recruited from the general population through

a random telephone survey and matched for age, sex, residence and

number of chronic diseases. All answered an epidemiological

interviewer-administered questionnaire on potential risk factors for

HCV. HCV+ patients were excluded if they had a history of transfusion

or IV drug use. Patients with sexual and occupational exposure, HIV

infection, hemodialysis and transplantation were also excluded.

Controls were matched with the case patients for age, sex, residence.

500 HCV-infected patients (age 53.4; males 55%) and 750 controls were

studied between 1997 and 2000. 72% of HCV-infected patients had

chronic hepatitis, 9% had cirrhosis, and 9% had asymptomatic HCV with

normal liver enzymes. 65% had genotype, 25% genotype 2 or 3. 50% of

cases and control patients had 1 or more chronic diseases.

RESULTS

The authors reported that this large case-control study identified 15

independent risk factors for HCV infection in patients with no

standard risk factors. The authors said they confirm these suspected

risk factors such as: hospital stays, GI endoscopy, abortion, IV=IM

injections, acupuncture, and intrnasal cocaine. They reported

identifying these new risk factors: violent sports, manicure/chiropy,

and depilation. The authors reported that altogether these risk

factors could explain 74% of unidentified routes of infection. For

hospitalization, GI endoscopy and IV/IM injections have positive

correlation with the number of exposures and risk for acquiring HCV.

The Odds Ratio for GI endoscopy in this study was 2.1 if person had

less than 2 exposures and 4-fold risk if person had greater than 2

exposures. A sensitivity analysis, performed on 2 subsets of subjects

gave similar results. The authors conclude that this study shows that

hospital stays, GI endoscopy, some dermatological procedures and

cocaine use are risk factors for community-acquired HCV in France,

and we also provide evidence for less-recognized risk factors.

Here are the odds ratios for increased risk by these exposures. All

are statisticaly significant.

Hospitalizations

Surgery (non obstetrical) 1.7 fold increased risk

Medical (any reason) 2.1

Endoscopy

Digestive 1.9 (risk not increased by biopsy & anasthesia)

Obstetrical

Voluntary abortion 1.8

Dermatological Procedure

Varicose vein sclerosing 1.7

Diathermy 3.0

Cutaneous ulcers, wounds 10.0

Ambulatory Care

Acupuncture 1.6

Tetanus Ig injection 1.7

IM injection 1.4

IV injection 1.7

Lifestyle

Chiropodist/manicurist 1.8

Depilation at beauty salon 2.0

Violent sport (boxing, rugby) 2.4

Intranasal cocaine 4.6

For some of these risk factors the number of study subjects among

cases and controls were small and the confidence ratio wide but these

risk factors were all statistically significant.

The following were NOT associated with acquiring HCV infection.

Obstetrical surgery, delivery

Non digestive endoscopy, puncture, biopsy, catheterisation

Miscarriage, in vitro fertilization, IUD

Electromyography

Hemorroid care

Ambulance use

Other ambulatory procedures: mesotherapy, infiltrations,

desensitization

Dental procedures

Other lifestyle: tatooing, piercing, contact lenses, shaving

Incarceration, military service

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--- tammster62 <t1d1r1d1@...> wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone could tell me if they test for HepC when

> you get a health card? I have someone who is trying to cause me

> trouble for working with foods. I am extremely careful and never do

anything with knives if I can help it.

> I need some info to show this person if they decide to get ugly

> about it. It is a volunteer thing and not every day...just

occasionally. And from ya'll...should I be handling food?

> <><TammieD><>

Everytime I read something like this it makes me so mad! How do you

find something to prove it's safe to handle and work with foods when

there are no studies since HCV is a BLOOD BORNE ILLNESS! It is not

passed in food, there has never been any suspision it could be passed

in food, therefore finding any study which says " HCV cannot be passed

in food " is probably hopeless. My cousin is a chef AND in charge of

the restaurants owned by a large resort hotel chain. He has HCV, has

known he had for much longer than me, and it has NEVER been an issue.

No, HCV is not checked for when you get a health card because HCV

cannot be passed while preparing or serving food. It requires blood

to blood contact. I don't know if this will help but here is an

article on more unusual routes of HCV transmission which have been

identified:

NATAP - www.natap.org

42nd ICAAC

Interscience Conference on Antimicrobial Agents & Chemotherapy

Sept 27-30, 2002

San Diego, CA

all ICAAC reports archived at NATAP website

Hepatitis ICAAC Report 1: Identifying unknown routes for HCV

transmission

Reported by Jules Levin

There were several sessions devoted to HCV/HIV coinfection at this

year's ICAAC. This is a good sign saying that at least ICAAC and I

think the HIV scientific community is beginning to recognize the

importance of addressing HCV in HIV, and is beginning to incorporate

research and education about HCV into the various HIV scientific

conferences and meetings. There were two symposiums and Meet-The

-Experts panel lectures at this ICAAC meeting. As well, there was a

significant poster session and oral slide session devoted to HCV. The

quality of the abstracts and sessions were mixed, and doctors at the

symposium and docs I met at the conference displayed to me an

inadequate and sometimes misinformed knowledge about treating HCV in

HIV. Progress in HCV/HIV is very slow and the Federal government is

slow in recognizing and funding areas of need in HCV and HCV/HIV

coinfection, including prevention, an adequate care infrastructure,

and education for the HIV Community (doctors, patients, service

providers). Following this report will be a series of additional

ICAAC Hepatitis Reports. All ICAAC and other conference reports are

posted to and archived at the NATAP website

(www.natap.org).

G Raguin and a French research group (abstract V-681) reported on

what was widely considered an interesting study: " A National

Multicenter Case-Control Study of Risk Factors for Community-Acquired

Hepatitis C " . Certain risk factors for acquiring HCV have been

identified. Transfusions used to be a major risk until the blood

supply was cleaned by developing testing for blood supply and now

this risk is considered very low. Currently, IVDU and sharing related

drug using paraphenalia such as needles are considered the major risk

for acquiring HCV. However, 20-40% of HCV-infected do not have

recognized risk factor, leading to speculations that other

as-yet-undiscovered modes of transmission may exist. This French

study is a case-control study to investigate the routes of

transmission in patients with no recognized risk factor.

Several potential routes or sources of HCV transmission have been

suggested: previous hospitalization or surgery, hemodialysis and

plasmapheresis, organ transplantation, GI endoscopy, parenteral

treatment (IV) for schistosomiasis, tatooing, piercing, nasal cocaine

use, activities during incarceration. This study sets out to test

these ideas.

HCV-seropositive pts were recruited in 57 French hospitals. Controls

(comparison group) were recruited from the general population through

a random telephone survey and matched for age, sex, residence and

number of chronic diseases. All answered an epidemiological

interviewer-administered questionnaire on potential risk factors for

HCV. HCV+ patients were excluded if they had a history of transfusion

or IV drug use. Patients with sexual and occupational exposure, HIV

infection, hemodialysis and transplantation were also excluded.

Controls were matched with the case patients for age, sex, residence.

500 HCV-infected patients (age 53.4; males 55%) and 750 controls were

studied between 1997 and 2000. 72% of HCV-infected patients had

chronic hepatitis, 9% had cirrhosis, and 9% had asymptomatic HCV with

normal liver enzymes. 65% had genotype, 25% genotype 2 or 3. 50% of

cases and control patients had 1 or more chronic diseases.

RESULTS

The authors reported that this large case-control study identified 15

independent risk factors for HCV infection in patients with no

standard risk factors. The authors said they confirm these suspected

risk factors such as: hospital stays, GI endoscopy, abortion, IV=IM

injections, acupuncture, and intrnasal cocaine. They reported

identifying these new risk factors: violent sports, manicure/chiropy,

and depilation. The authors reported that altogether these risk

factors could explain 74% of unidentified routes of infection. For

hospitalization, GI endoscopy and IV/IM injections have positive

correlation with the number of exposures and risk for acquiring HCV.

The Odds Ratio for GI endoscopy in this study was 2.1 if person had

less than 2 exposures and 4-fold risk if person had greater than 2

exposures. A sensitivity analysis, performed on 2 subsets of subjects

gave similar results. The authors conclude that this study shows that

hospital stays, GI endoscopy, some dermatological procedures and

cocaine use are risk factors for community-acquired HCV in France,

and we also provide evidence for less-recognized risk factors.

Here are the odds ratios for increased risk by these exposures. All

are statisticaly significant.

Hospitalizations

Surgery (non obstetrical) 1.7 fold increased risk

Medical (any reason) 2.1

Endoscopy

Digestive 1.9 (risk not increased by biopsy & anasthesia)

Obstetrical

Voluntary abortion 1.8

Dermatological Procedure

Varicose vein sclerosing 1.7

Diathermy 3.0

Cutaneous ulcers, wounds 10.0

Ambulatory Care

Acupuncture 1.6

Tetanus Ig injection 1.7

IM injection 1.4

IV injection 1.7

Lifestyle

Chiropodist/manicurist 1.8

Depilation at beauty salon 2.0

Violent sport (boxing, rugby) 2.4

Intranasal cocaine 4.6

For some of these risk factors the number of study subjects among

cases and controls were small and the confidence ratio wide but these

risk factors were all statistically significant.

The following were NOT associated with acquiring HCV infection.

Obstetrical surgery, delivery

Non digestive endoscopy, puncture, biopsy, catheterisation

Miscarriage, in vitro fertilization, IUD

Electromyography

Hemorroid care

Ambulance use

Other ambulatory procedures: mesotherapy, infiltrations,

desensitization

Dental procedures

Other lifestyle: tatooing, piercing, contact lenses, shaving

Incarceration, military service

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--- Arkhepcgal@... wrote:

> Tammie,

> I personally would say it's okay, but wear plastic gloves.

>

> Unfortunately, many people classify Hep C as they do Aids.

I think that all states require you to wear gloves when handling food

anyway. HIV is not passed in foods either! The two main diseases most

health departents look for in food handlers is hepatitis A and TB (it

is transmitted by droplets - ie, sneezing.)

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--- Arkhepcgal@... wrote:

> Tammie,

> I personally would say it's okay, but wear plastic gloves.

>

> Unfortunately, many people classify Hep C as they do Aids.

I think that all states require you to wear gloves when handling food

anyway. HIV is not passed in foods either! The two main diseases most

health departents look for in food handlers is hepatitis A and TB (it

is transmitted by droplets - ie, sneezing.)

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Unfortunately, I am going to step out of my volunteer work because of

this one woman. She has an incredibly big mouth and if she gets

something started it has the potential of really messing up our Band

Booster Club (very small school). I love my work, but I have worked

for too long with the school to have something like this come up. I,

personally, do NOT care what is said about me, but I will not let her

mess this group up. We have brought it a loooooooong way and it is

doing too good for me to let my ego get the best of me.

I will just step down and bide my time until she says something to my

face and then I will be able to tell her what I would like. I learned

about what she was saying in confidence from a friend, so I cannot

confront her without putting a very good friend in the line of fire.

Anyway, that is just the way life is, so accept it with a smile.

DON'T LET THEM SEE YOU DOWN EVER!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the answers from everyone.

<><TammieD><>

> Everytime I read something like this it makes me so mad!

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Unfortunately, I am going to step out of my volunteer work because of

this one woman. She has an incredibly big mouth and if she gets

something started it has the potential of really messing up our Band

Booster Club (very small school). I love my work, but I have worked

for too long with the school to have something like this come up. I,

personally, do NOT care what is said about me, but I will not let her

mess this group up. We have brought it a loooooooong way and it is

doing too good for me to let my ego get the best of me.

I will just step down and bide my time until she says something to my

face and then I will be able to tell her what I would like. I learned

about what she was saying in confidence from a friend, so I cannot

confront her without putting a very good friend in the line of fire.

Anyway, that is just the way life is, so accept it with a smile.

DON'T LET THEM SEE YOU DOWN EVER!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the answers from everyone.

<><TammieD><>

> Everytime I read something like this it makes me so mad!

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In a message dated 7/28/2004 11:18:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

t1d1r1d1@... writes:

Anyway, that is just the way life is, so accept it with a smile.

DON'T LET THEM SEE YOU DOWN EVER!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the answers from everyone.

<><TammieD><>

Tammie,

There are some people on this planet who were just born with one too many of

some orifices. This means that a certain amount of drivel can come out of the

mouth. Your decision is a wise and thoughtful one. Take care, Anne

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In a message dated 7/28/2004 11:18:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

t1d1r1d1@... writes:

Anyway, that is just the way life is, so accept it with a smile.

DON'T LET THEM SEE YOU DOWN EVER!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the answers from everyone.

<><TammieD><>

Tammie,

There are some people on this planet who were just born with one too many of

some orifices. This means that a certain amount of drivel can come out of the

mouth. Your decision is a wise and thoughtful one. Take care, Anne

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In a message dated 10/4/2004 12:17:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

t1d1r1d1@... writes:

What happens if you get this med into a vein? They make such a big

deal about it on the video that they gave me, but they didn't say

what would happen.

It very well could kill you. The purpose for drawing the plunger back is to

be sure that blood doesn't come into the syringe, because that would signify

that you had stuck yourself in a vein rather than subcutaneously.

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Anne...I've not ever heard this before...where did you learn it? Interferon and

Ribavarinn are both used in chemo and is injected directly into the vein.

Tatezi

It very well could kill you. The purpose for drawing the plunger back is to

be sure that blood doesn't come into the syringe, because that would signify

that you had stuck yourself in a vein rather than subcutaneously.

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tammster62 <t1d1r1d1@...> wrote:

it made me wonder what would happen if you

did get it into a vein.

<><TammieD><>

Tammie,

Probably nothing would happen. You are injecting a very small amount of a

medication that is formulated to work slowly, over an extended period of time.

Keep in mind that you WANT the medication to reach your blood stream, you just

want it to get there slowly, and preferably not all at once! There are many

little capillaries that you may hit and break with the needle, but other than a

bruise, it's not important if you hit one. They NEED to be there to absorb and

dispurse the medication. As long as you are injecting into the upper/outer

thigh, or the loose skin of the abdomen, you aren't going to hit any veins -

they are too deep in those locations for the needle to reach. The same with

arteries.

Claudine

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There are many medications that can kill if injected into a vein. A few

medications can be directly injected into a vein, but most, when used in that

manner, are diluted with some solution, like saline or ringers lactate, before

going into the vein. However, this should NOT be a problem with the subcutaneous

injections of interferon. The needles used are too small to reach a vein in the

approved injection areas. If you remember, the interferon 'pens' didn't even

have a plunger to draw back - it was just stick and click. I think the teaching

of the correct way to inject is good, but more of a 'cover-your-ass' type of

thing. They couldn't hardly say " never mind pulling back the plunger - it

doesn't matter. " If they did say that and someone ever gave themselves an

injection of something where it did matter, and it went into a vein, they could

expect a lawsuit.

C

Tatezi <tatezi@...> wrote:

Anne...I've not ever heard this before...where did you learn it? Interferon and

Ribavarinn are both used in chemo and is injected directly into the vein.

Tatezi

It very well could kill you. The purpose for drawing the plunger back is to

be sure that blood doesn't come into the syringe, because that would signify

that you had stuck yourself in a vein rather than subcutaneously.

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HI.Here how you do it from a experienced shooter.Find an area of fat,around the

hips,belly,thights.squeeze it up,roll it up between yr thumb and the finger nxt

to it,the catholic weddingring finger,stupid my english, untill you are holding

between yr thumb and finger about an inch of fat.Hit the needle on top of that

little hill of fat,drive it home quickly,jab it.Make sure there.s no air in the

needle.Push the plunger up untill you get a tiny drop of the interferon.In this

way it is impossible to hit a vein.There.s absolutely nothing to it but you

girls make such a fuss about it.lol.Goodluck Willem.

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In a message dated 10/5/2004 5:25:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

claudineintexas@... writes:

Anne...I've not ever heard this before...where did you learn it? Interferon

and Ribavarinn are both used in chemo and is injected directly into the vein.

I was referring to potential air bubbles. Remember I didn't have the pen.

So I forget that that is the standard now.

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In a message dated 10/5/2004 2:15:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

t1d1r1d1@... writes:

The adventure is growing old :P

Well, at least you're maintaining your sense of humor.

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Remember I didn't have the pen.

Unfortunately I don't have that either. But, I am not dead so I

either did not nick a vein or it doesn't kill you. I must say that I

have felt like yuck ever since I did it.

The more I take these shots, the more they seem to effect me. I am

ready for this to be over with. The adventure is growing old :P

<><TammieD><>

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> In a message dated 10/5/2004 2:15:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> t1d1r1d1@a... writes:

> The adventure is growing old :P

> Well, at least you're maintaining your sense of humor.

I have found that if I lose my humor I am truely lost. It is a hard

world.

<><Tammie><>

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Ah, that makes sense...and air bubbles in the vein certainly can cause death.

But I don't think that with the length of the needle and the injection areas one

could inject into a vein. They are pretty deep in the tummy and the thighs.

I had the pen when I did rebetron, but when I did Pegasys, they hadn't come out

with the pen yet. Now the pen is standard with pegasys and when they run out of

the pre-pen stock, I'm sure only the pens will be distributed.

Taezi

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In a message dated 10/5/2004 5:25:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

claudineintexas@... writes:

Anne...I've not ever heard this before...where did you learn it? Interferon

and Ribavarinn are both used in chemo and is injected directly into the vein.

I was referring to potential air bubbles. Remember I didn't have the pen.

So I forget that that is the standard now.

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Tammie...

I'm sorry you are apparently having some negative reactions to treatment. Share

with us what you are experiencing and one of us might know something that would

help with your particulare sides.

Unfortunately I don't have that either. But, I am not dead so I

either did not nick a vein or it doesn't kill you. I must say that I

have felt like yuck ever since I did it. The more I take these shots, the more

they seem to effect me. I am ready for this to be over with. The adventure is

growing old :P

<><TammieD><>

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In a message dated 10/5/2004 7:05:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

t1d1r1d1@... writes:

I have found that if I lose my humor I am truely lost. It is a hard

world.

Yes, Tammie, it is that. Hang in there, a better day is coming.

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In a message dated 10/6/2004 11:43:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

t1d1r1d1@... writes:

It just seems that the longer I am taking the shots the more I notice

side effects. I am now getting sick at my stomach, the aches and

pains (but I have had those),the being soooooooo very tired, and the

brain fog which I think might be worse of all. I have been noticing a

lose of hair, which I am hoping is just seasonal. I have plenty to

spare, so I am not really concerned about that at this point.

I don't mean to whine, but my family doesn't see me as sick and

sometimes it is all that I can do to make myself get out of bed.

There is nothing that anyone can do about my family...just grin and

bear it.

Dear Tammie,

We've all been through more or less the same thing. Feel free to whine at any

point in time. I've certainly done my fair share of it.

If you can stand bananas, they used to kind of cut my nausea.......sometimes.

I'm glad you have your friends. My family, particularly my Mother had the

same problem. Part of that could be denial because they love you.

Don't over tire yourself, your body needs the energy.

Anne

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In a message dated 10/6/2004 11:43:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

t1d1r1d1@... writes:

It just seems that the longer I am taking the shots the more I notice

side effects. I am now getting sick at my stomach, the aches and

pains (but I have had those),the being soooooooo very tired, and the

brain fog which I think might be worse of all. I have been noticing a

lose of hair, which I am hoping is just seasonal. I have plenty to

spare, so I am not really concerned about that at this point.

I don't mean to whine, but my family doesn't see me as sick and

sometimes it is all that I can do to make myself get out of bed.

There is nothing that anyone can do about my family...just grin and

bear it.

Dear Tammie,

We've all been through more or less the same thing. Feel free to whine at any

point in time. I've certainly done my fair share of it.

If you can stand bananas, they used to kind of cut my nausea.......sometimes.

I'm glad you have your friends. My family, particularly my Mother had the

same problem. Part of that could be denial because they love you.

Don't over tire yourself, your body needs the energy.

Anne

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It just seems that the longer I am taking the shots the more I notice

side effects. I am now getting sick at my stomach, the aches and

pains (but I have had those),the being soooooooo very tired, and the

brain fog which I think might be worse of all. I have been noticing a

lose of hair, which I am hoping is just seasonal. I have plenty to

spare, so I am not really concerned about that at this point.

I don't mean to whine, but my family doesn't see me as sick and

sometimes it is all that I can do to make myself get out of bed.

There is nothing that anyone can do about my family...just grin and

bear it.

OK, I have now had my crybaby time. I really am not depressed or

anything like that, but I am being to understand how someone can

become that way. I am very, very lucky because I really do have a

wonderful family (except the above :) and some friends that are

straight from God and they help keep me pumped up. I am blessed. But

I will be so very glad when this is over LOL.

Thanks to all of you for listening.

<><TammieD><>

> Tammie...

>

> I'm sorry you are apparently having some negative reactions to

treatment. Share with us what you are experiencing and one of us

might know something that would help with your particulare sides.

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